I love watching your videos because of how aesthetically pleasing it is and the way you explain things! I've been wanting to learn more about socionics but the content out there aren't appealing to my Fi or Te, the content creators go too indepth on a topic where I get bored listening (Te) and they don't create an environment for my Fi to attach to (I can attach my Fi to the cartoon icons of each type you created). I'm not sure how I feel about socionics at the moment because it sounds like it's trying to rationalize irrational behavior and as an INTJ, I have Fi, I know how irrational I can be. Your website and your videos are very beautiful, keep up the good work 😃
Thank you so much for your kind words! It is really encouraging & motivates me to continue to create content. Socionics is definitely very heavy Ti (theory without much applicable use sometimes). Glad my cartoon icons can help activate a little Fi to make it more fun to learn. =)
So in another way to translate the model, I'm getting: Alpha = Villagers, Beta = Clergy/Society-servers (Think Innkeepers), Gamma = Burghers and the Mercantile class and Delta = ... I'm not really sure tbh. Maybe service industry staffers? I have a hard time imagining them in a 'timeless' sense like these other ones. Maybe, like, the [*other] on the multiple choice list of how you're going to live in the world. The adventurers, artists, and others that don't really fit in... but that seems to work for the NFPs only. It just seems so hard to rectify NFPs and STJs being together when they seem so different in presentation even if their motivations aren't THAT different. (Which I have seen personally, some of the most ISTJ-seeming behavior I've seen come from those that act like typical light-hearted ENFPs 95% of the time and then 'flip' into this other 'hyper efficient' mode when under severe stress. Can be scary!)
Interesting character assignments to each quadra, reminds me of RPG games. xD & oh you're talking about temperaments? Artisans (SP), Guardians (SJ), Idealists (NF), Rationals (NT). & oh I can agree with you there! I find STJs to be quite different from NFPs, but when I can tell they get along VERY easily when two interact. No translation needed in communication; they don't skip a beat understanding each other. I know what you mean! ENFPs are like super free-spirited, but don't joke around when it comes to their work. I have seen the other example too: rigid ISTJ who taps into their aspiration ENFP and does incredibly spontaneous behaviors. Maybe the best way to think of the contrasts of quadras is to notice how most the time they are innately one way but they can really flip into that seemingly opposite personality from time to time. Then seeing what is the mutual desire and choices of action influenced by cognitive functions quadras share. Partially explained also by temperaments. Alpha = part Guardian (SJ), part Rational (NT) Beta = part Artisan (SP), part Idealist (NF) Gamma = part Artisan (SP), part Rational (NT) Delta = part Guardian (SJ), part Idealist (NF)
Delta quadra: philosophers, historians, bankers, governors, lawyers, judges, and politicians of the world. Also they excel in mental and physical healthcare professions (including psychology!).
ISFP is in alpha quadra not the gamma quadra. The first function in Socionics for SEI (ISFp) is Si not Fi as Si is a perceiving function not a judging function. MBTI has all of the I’s function stack order incorrect. MBTI doesn’t really “transfer” over equally. MBTI’s 4 top function stack has Fi>Se>Ni>Te whereas Socionics are Si>Fe>Ni>Te.A great channel to check out for the true types in YT Socionics is World Socionics Society. youtube.com/@worldsocionics?si=mti7XDgknFsnSSyu
So except different lead function is there another way to categorize each quadra into 4 types? Like course the chart in charge blah blah. (I know thats not the answer)
@@Amaend8 well the theory is that they share common motives. alphas value science and calm atmosphere betas value social change and expressiveness gammas value efficiency and individualism deltas value productivity and tradition
I really like Socionics for the intertype relations, but the quadras don't seem to work very well. Any statement one can make about a quadra tends to apply only to one half of it. The problem is that the quadras tend to emphasize too much all four (or eight) functions whereas the top two tend to be more important than the rest. The Keirsey temperaments seem to be much more useful groupings. It would be interesting to think of other groupings such as SF, ST, NF and NT or EJ, EP, IP, IJ and so on. Socionics tends to be a bit too Ti and M-B a bit too Ni. One needs to approach this stuff with both.
Oh yes, same. The intertype relations categories are awesome. I am working on making a video on them. =) Interesting critique on the quadras. I can see what you mean as dual pairs are very different in expression, but you can sense a similar essence. Quadras have immediate familiarity with each other. It feels like more effortless communication when types share functions, though varying in ability. Ooh yes the temperaments are awesome for understanding core needs and values. & ooh I actually think those might be classified through "Reinin dichotomies" (wikisocion.github.io/content/reinin_dich.html) They are on my "To Learn Next" list. & haha, yes Socionics is VERY Ti. It takes a mathematical mind to appreciate it. But I personally love math as I grew up with it as my favorite subject. I used to go as far as taking advanced classes just to learn more. Socionics is so great for combining psychological concepts in a mathematical application. Hmm, why do you say that Myers-Briggs is too Ni?
@@questinpodcastM-B never came up with intertype relations, did they. That's because of a lack of Ti being applied to the problem. I am not a fan of things like "sense a relationship there". I would prefer something concrete to hold onto, else I would wonder if the thing is really there or just a mirage. I'll try to check out your link, thanks.
@@rhoheta5243 lol to "lack of Ti" ... but yes, Ti is great for developing and teaching concepts. Socionics could be compared to the ecology of psychology. It's impressive that it explains the purpose of each type in a society, which helps to understand why some types are needed in higher percentages. Thanks for checking out my content!! Let me know if you have any reqjuests ~
mbti was developed as a form of a aptitude test for jobs Durning the war when women needed to join the work force more that's why its shaped the way it is socionics is based on math physics and energy. their meta reasons are for spiritual development (self-actualization and individuation) and the improvement of our relations and communications. but question why did you make a channel about it without mastering it first what if you find out you didn't understand it the way you thought or mistyped yourself than what ? beta Quadra is about breaking the old systems down to establish the new is about romanticism and spirituality its not about just letting anyone in .
Hi, thanks for stopping by on my video & thanks for sharing about the history/comparison between socionics & mbti. The meta reasons of socionics are what make the framework so great! & ah fair question. My response would be that I love teaching & I love MBTI/what I have learned so far about socionics. Creating learning materials about psychological types has been my creative outlet this last year as a new mom... I don't think only masters should be teachers. & I will try my best to best of my ability to share only valid information from good sources. & interesting points to make about the beta quadra. I definitely did not mean that they would let anyone in. Beta types love connecting to like-minded individuals primarily.
@@questinpodcast OMG Congratulations, thats so beautiful I Hope you're happy and yes i totally get the need for a outlet especially after a newborn which i know isn't easy can't even use the bathroom alone, and always thinking the child is going to die or kill themselves, if this is your first one you will be ok until the terrible twos lol its not that terrible.
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso Aw thank you! I already know from your reply that you know how real the postpartum struggles are. xD Felt like the first five months were purely survival mode... & yes first one, I am trying my best to learn healthy emotional regulation to stay calm during the cries. Sounds like you are an experienced parent. Best wishes to you & your family!
@@questinpodcast You know what has helped me with the cries and the kids, by simply crying with them sometimes, because there is a physiological affect that happens to us when we hear them cry(like a gut punch or twisting of the nerves) Its not so easy trying to figure out what the cry is for, it's like trying to identify bird calls, the sound is familiar, but we don't speak that language at least not anymore, so we use empathy and mirroring but unfortunately that can lead to serious burn out No one is an expert especially with knowing there are 16 different types and variations of baby you might get. Even harder if the child turns out to be a conflict type (like esfp and intp), then that becomes a how not to kill their spirit situation. Like you can do everything else right but there is that small part that becomes the largest and the holy ground for most future battles with them (especially if there is no language around it and you don't know their type (they dont know wat type is , you could be mistyped , so much to get right ) So you know what you do the best you can , because sometimes being good enough is good enough. Being a perfect parent can screw the kids up just as much by not giving them the adversities they need to be competent on their own and interesting. So as long as you are not killing or abusing them, give yourself a hug every day because your inner child is invoked in trying to mirror the child they are and it gets hurt too (your inner child) alot of times those cries are sending you back in time to your own cries and if you have trauma that can be really hard , like being on a airplane you have to put your oxygen mask on first no matter how much you want to get to them , you cannot help anyone if your dead so to speak. So in knowing you are doing the best you can , just prepare yourself for when they are teens , if they do act out , if they do Challange you (within reason) you know you did something right, that you gave them not only security but the confidence to make it in the world when you can't be by their side. They will find fault they will see neglect and they will see abuse , and it will indeed happen but most of it will be unconscious on your part. but again if you are not intentionally abusing and neglecting, then just keep doing the best you can stay mindful and everything will work out just fine. Especially if you know they know they are loved. All the best to you and yours .
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso Thank you for your words of wisdom!! I can tell you are a caring and insightful parent. I actually had a conflict relation with one of my parents, so I know the miscommunication between the two pretty personally. I see now how both parties don't mean harm, but it's just hard to understand because each other's hero function is the other's blindspot. A lot of forgiveness happens when people become parents themselves. I see how my parents were truly just trying their best & now I'm grateful for exactly how things were despite the differences. Consciousness is one blessing of a gift. Everyone is just doing the best they know. At least we can trust it gets better with time, experience, & understanding.
Hey! Thanks for the feedback. Could you let me know what are you looking for an in-depth video about quadras? I kinda made this one on a whim while I was in a recording mood to gauge interest on my channel for Socionics, but yeah I could do better!
love it! need more people covering socionics instead of mbti, Keep up the great work.
Thank you for the encouragement! I'll try my best!
I love watching your videos because of how aesthetically pleasing it is and the way you explain things! I've been wanting to learn more about socionics but the content out there aren't appealing to my Fi or Te, the content creators go too indepth on a topic where I get bored listening (Te) and they don't create an environment for my Fi to attach to (I can attach my Fi to the cartoon icons of each type you created). I'm not sure how I feel about socionics at the moment because it sounds like it's trying to rationalize irrational behavior and as an INTJ, I have Fi, I know how irrational I can be. Your website and your videos are very beautiful, keep up the good work 😃
Thank you so much for your kind words! It is really encouraging & motivates me to continue to create content. Socionics is definitely very heavy Ti (theory without much applicable use sometimes). Glad my cartoon icons can help activate a little Fi to make it more fun to learn. =)
So in another way to translate the model, I'm getting: Alpha = Villagers, Beta = Clergy/Society-servers (Think Innkeepers), Gamma = Burghers and the Mercantile class and Delta = ... I'm not really sure tbh. Maybe service industry staffers? I have a hard time imagining them in a 'timeless' sense like these other ones. Maybe, like, the [*other] on the multiple choice list of how you're going to live in the world. The adventurers, artists, and others that don't really fit in... but that seems to work for the NFPs only. It just seems so hard to rectify NFPs and STJs being together when they seem so different in presentation even if their motivations aren't THAT different.
(Which I have seen personally, some of the most ISTJ-seeming behavior I've seen come from those that act like typical light-hearted ENFPs 95% of the time and then 'flip' into this other 'hyper efficient' mode when under severe stress. Can be scary!)
Interesting character assignments to each quadra, reminds me of RPG games. xD
& oh you're talking about temperaments? Artisans (SP), Guardians (SJ), Idealists (NF), Rationals (NT).
& oh I can agree with you there! I find STJs to be quite different from NFPs, but when I can tell they get along VERY easily when two interact. No translation needed in communication; they don't skip a beat understanding each other. I know what you mean! ENFPs are like super free-spirited, but don't joke around when it comes to their work. I have seen the other example too: rigid ISTJ who taps into their aspiration ENFP and does incredibly spontaneous behaviors.
Maybe the best way to think of the contrasts of quadras is to notice how most the time they are innately one way but they can really flip into that seemingly opposite personality from time to time. Then seeing what is the mutual desire and choices of action influenced by cognitive functions quadras share. Partially explained also by temperaments.
Alpha = part Guardian (SJ), part Rational (NT)
Beta = part Artisan (SP), part Idealist (NF)
Gamma = part Artisan (SP), part Rational (NT)
Delta = part Guardian (SJ), part Idealist (NF)
Delta quadra: philosophers, historians, bankers, governors, lawyers, judges, and politicians of the world.
Also they excel in mental and physical healthcare professions (including psychology!).
@@sinidom2113 What does philosophers and bankers have in common?
Thank you for being nice to delta quadra! I like you immediately. :)
Thank you for stopping by & watching!! Let me know if you have any requests!
Awesome summary beautifully explained, thank you!
Thank you for the wonderful presentation.
Thank you! Happy to have shared it
ISFP is in alpha quadra not the gamma quadra. The first function in Socionics for SEI (ISFp) is Si not Fi as Si is a perceiving function not a judging function. MBTI has all of the I’s function stack order incorrect. MBTI doesn’t really “transfer” over equally. MBTI’s 4 top function stack has Fi>Se>Ni>Te whereas Socionics are Si>Fe>Ni>Te.A great channel to check out for the true types in YT Socionics is World Socionics Society. youtube.com/@worldsocionics?si=mti7XDgknFsnSSyu
So except different lead function is there another way to categorize each quadra into 4 types?
Like course the chart in charge blah blah. (I know thats not the answer)
What do you mean?
@@Tiogar60 what do the types in the same quadra have in common (except functions)
@@Amaend8 well the theory is that they share common motives.
alphas value science and calm atmosphere
betas value social change and expressiveness
gammas value efficiency and individualism
deltas value productivity and tradition
thank you for this concise summary of the quadra values!!
I really like Socionics for the intertype relations, but the quadras don't seem to work very well. Any statement one can make about a quadra tends to apply only to one half of it. The problem is that the quadras tend to emphasize too much all four (or eight) functions whereas the top two tend to be more important than the rest. The Keirsey temperaments seem to be much more useful groupings.
It would be interesting to think of other groupings such as SF, ST, NF and NT or EJ, EP, IP, IJ and so on.
Socionics tends to be a bit too Ti and M-B a bit too Ni. One needs to approach this stuff with both.
Oh yes, same. The intertype relations categories are awesome. I am working on making a video on them. =)
Interesting critique on the quadras. I can see what you mean as dual pairs are very different in expression, but you can sense a similar essence. Quadras have immediate familiarity with each other. It feels like more effortless communication when types share functions, though varying in ability.
Ooh yes the temperaments are awesome for understanding core needs and values.
& ooh I actually think those might be classified through "Reinin dichotomies" (wikisocion.github.io/content/reinin_dich.html) They are on my "To Learn Next" list.
& haha, yes Socionics is VERY Ti. It takes a mathematical mind to appreciate it. But I personally love math as I grew up with it as my favorite subject. I used to go as far as taking advanced classes just to learn more. Socionics is so great for combining psychological concepts in a mathematical application.
Hmm, why do you say that Myers-Briggs is too Ni?
@@questinpodcastM-B never came up with intertype relations, did they. That's because of a lack of Ti being applied to the problem.
I am not a fan of things like "sense a relationship there". I would prefer something concrete to hold onto, else I would wonder if the thing is really there or just a mirage.
I'll try to check out your link, thanks.
P.S. Your link gets a 404 error.
@@rhoheta5243 Hmm did you mean link instead of "like"?
@@rhoheta5243 lol to "lack of Ti" ... but yes, Ti is great for developing and teaching concepts. Socionics could be compared to the ecology of psychology.
It's impressive that it explains the purpose of each type in a society, which helps to understand why some types are needed in higher percentages.
Thanks for checking out my content!! Let me know if you have any reqjuests ~
mbti was developed as a form of a aptitude test for jobs Durning the war when women needed to join the work force more that's why its shaped the way it is
socionics is based on math physics and energy.
their meta reasons are for spiritual development (self-actualization and individuation) and the improvement of our relations and communications.
but question why did you make a channel about it without mastering it first what if you find out you didn't understand it the way you thought or mistyped yourself than what ?
beta Quadra is about breaking the old systems down to establish the new is about romanticism and spirituality its not about just letting anyone in .
Hi, thanks for stopping by on my video & thanks for sharing about the history/comparison between socionics & mbti. The meta reasons of socionics are what make the framework so great!
& ah fair question. My response would be that I love teaching & I love MBTI/what I have learned so far about socionics. Creating learning materials about psychological types has been my creative outlet this last year as a new mom... I don't think only masters should be teachers. & I will try my best to best of my ability to share only valid information from good sources.
& interesting points to make about the beta quadra. I definitely did not mean that they would let anyone in. Beta types love connecting to like-minded individuals primarily.
@@questinpodcast OMG Congratulations, thats so beautiful I Hope you're happy and yes i totally get the need for a outlet especially after a newborn which i know isn't easy can't even use the bathroom alone, and always thinking the child is going to die or kill themselves, if this is your first one you will be ok until the terrible twos lol its not that terrible.
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso Aw thank you! I already know from your reply that you know how real the postpartum struggles are. xD Felt like the first five months were purely survival mode... & yes first one, I am trying my best to learn healthy emotional regulation to stay calm during the cries. Sounds like you are an experienced parent. Best wishes to you & your family!
@@questinpodcast You know what has helped me with the cries and the kids, by simply crying with them sometimes,
because there is a physiological affect that happens to us when we hear them cry(like a gut punch or twisting of the nerves)
Its not so easy trying to figure out what the cry is for, it's like trying to identify bird calls, the sound is familiar, but we don't speak that language at least not anymore, so we use empathy and mirroring but unfortunately that can lead to serious burn out
No one is an expert especially with knowing there are 16 different types and variations of baby you might get.
Even harder if the child turns out to be a conflict type (like esfp and intp), then that becomes a how not to kill their spirit situation.
Like you can do everything else right but there is that small part that becomes the largest and the holy ground for most future battles with them
(especially if there is no language around it and you don't know their type (they dont know wat type is , you could be mistyped , so much to get right )
So you know what you do the best you can , because sometimes being good enough is good enough.
Being a perfect parent can screw the kids up just as much by not giving them the adversities they need to be competent on their own and interesting.
So as long as you are not killing or abusing them, give yourself a hug every day because your inner child is invoked in trying to mirror the child they are and it gets hurt too (your inner child) alot of times those cries are sending you back in time to your own cries and if you have trauma that can be really hard , like being on a airplane you have to put your oxygen mask on first no matter how much you want to get to them , you cannot help anyone if your dead so to speak.
So in knowing you are doing the best you can , just prepare yourself for when they are teens , if they do act out , if they do Challange you (within reason) you know you did something right, that you gave them not only security but the confidence to make it in the world when you can't be by their side.
They will find fault they will see neglect and they will see abuse , and it will indeed happen but most of it will be unconscious on your part. but again if you are not intentionally abusing and neglecting, then just keep doing the best you can stay mindful and everything will work out just fine.
Especially if you know they know they are loved. All the best to you and yours .
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso Thank you for your words of wisdom!! I can tell you are a caring and insightful parent.
I actually had a conflict relation with one of my parents, so I know the miscommunication between the two pretty personally. I see now how both parties don't mean harm, but it's just hard to understand because each other's hero function is the other's blindspot.
A lot of forgiveness happens when people become parents themselves. I see how my parents were truly just trying their best & now I'm grateful for exactly how things were despite the differences.
Consciousness is one blessing of a gift. Everyone is just doing the best they know. At least we can trust it gets better with time, experience, & understanding.
I dislike Socionics. In CSJ's MBTI theory I can be ESFP without the need of materialisation.
Very watered down version of socionic and its misleading
Hey! Thanks for the feedback. Could you let me know what are you looking for an in-depth video about quadras? I kinda made this one on a whim while I was in a recording mood to gauge interest on my channel for Socionics, but yeah I could do better!