Thank you for the level headed analysis coach. I live in the Philly media market, and the hyperbole over the Eagles peaked (I hope)exceptionally early this year.
I appreciate you guys hanging in there and making it through a 38 minute video. It's a big ask, but it's honestly one of the best parts of having a niche channel and community. You all afford me the oportunity and advantage to tackle some of these difficult conversations that require a lot of time and explanation.
What’s up Kinglanothegreat! I appreciate you guys sticking through these long winded explanations. It’s what makes this community unique, and I’m grateful. Fly🦅Fly!
I think it’s a power fight between Moore and Nick Siriani against GB their offense looked like Moore since then it looks like the offense from last season. No motions or nothing
I knew that about Cincy! Sam Wyche was phenomenal! I was born in 1959...inconsistency in the OC spot I think has delayed the total version that we fans KNOW this could evolve into!
What's up Wayne! Sam Wyche is another really underrated offensive mind. People tend to forget he is part of the Bill Walsh tree too, and was Montana's original QB coach with the 9ers.
What's up Judd! I've been to Mount Airy/Pilot Mountain a few times. I actually taught and coached primarily in Guilford and Forsyth County. I appreciate the comment and view. Fly🦅Fly!
Sileo doesn’t know ball. He had a little talent when he was young and was able to play, that’s it. You’d be surprised at how many guys could play and do their one thing but don’t know shit about ball in general.
Gate been watching your shows for year love your content you do a great job. Been an eagles fan for 30 years. The thing when you watch other teams offenses compared to ours it’s so bad there’s no rhythm or. Nothing no creativity. Where do you think the problem lies. No rb screens no rb slants nothing. And the biggest problem no throwing the ball over the middle. They had stat hurts has only thrown ball over middle 4 times. That is crazy to hear is it because he can’t read the middle of the field or they don’t ask him to throw on the middle of the field.
What’s up Eagle Nation! To an extent, as familiarity increases within the system, and a happy norm is established, the rhythm by which the offense operates should improve. The extent of that improvement will likely determine our success on the season. Underlying the topic around rhythm, or offensive flow, is that idea of meshing a digit based scheme with a West Coast scheme. During the summer they were asked but never really answered the question around the play sheet language. Is the actual vernacular around our play calls west coast (code words), air Coryell (# system for receivers), or Erhardt-Perkins (Short and to the Point). How much of an impact is this having on our play clock issues. I think there is more going on here than we realize. The lack of short game (RB/TE Screens, Slants, in-breaking routes under 10 yards, Hitches, Curls, Comebacks, other Sticks concepts, and fast 3s out of the backfield) I think this is a built in constraint to the meshing of these systems. This is where I think the greatest area of expansion will occur over the duration of the season. But, right now I think they’re starting out with what Jalen knows, and the early injuries probably set us back a little, and little by little, the Kellen Moore quick game will be added. I think you could extend this question out to 3x1 stacked releases. I expected to see it utilized more often than it has been so far. This is an area where Jalen, Kellen, Patullo, and Stout have to get on the same page. In terms of playing over the middle, there are opportunities at times that we just don’t take. I definitely see in breaking routes on the tape. So, either Jalen doesn’t trust our guys outside of A.J. and Dallas to an extent on those routes, or he’s reading something presnap that I’m not seeing. I would need to be in the film room with him to really boil it down. That’s a Nussmeier thing. He has to ask the what and why behind the read. A good example, although it wasn’t necessarily over the middle is the DeVonta throw away before the A.J. TD. When I looked at the tape, it didn’t seem like Jalen missed DeVonta in his eye sight. He definitely looked like he saw him. However, watch his footwork on that play, he’s hitching when he should be throwing the ball. So, that leads me to believe the option to hit that play was missed during the presnap read, and not postsnap. It makes sense to hitch up like that for a wheel route, but not for a drag/mesh route. It looked like he made that decision presnap. So, I would probably ask him who he is queuing in on, and in the future, what can we do to time this play with our footwork to be able to affectively get to our 2nd read where there is an opportunity for a conversion. It’s tough because Jalen has the underlying talent to be one of the elite QBs in this league. When he is on, and everything is clicking, it’s poetry in motion. But we need to find some consistency with managing game plans, and game flow.
Gate another question what you thought about Gregg cossell ripping hurts. And do you think the first quarter struggles is all based on analytics. Because we all know the firs 15 play are scripted. And the thing that bothers me so much is the last 6 years of watching eagles we are build as running team. And it’s crazy as fans we know that but players always say we have to find identity. This old school ground and pound team like Rex Ryan said that’s your identity. Run the ball use that for play action. That’s the one thing I never seen in eagles play calls either play action. Or is rpo same aspect. The thing that bothers me the most there’s too much talent to go 6 games and not score in the first quarter.
Yea like you said earlier they where killing him for missing Davonte wide open in front of him. Bottom line the biggest knock on are boy is a he can’t read defenses and doesn’t go through his progressions. I hope where wrong about this and h only gets better because every eagle fan like us love the kid we just want him to get better. Because I know the media kills him enough.
I did listen this morning, but to be honest, I was distracted and I don’t recall the full context. I’ll have to listen to Cosell’s comments again and really pay attention to what he’s critiquing. Cosell’s not really a hot take guy, and he legitimately watches tape. I say that because there are others that claim to watch tape, and they might but it’s not on the topic they’re discussing, and they give some really sketch takes that aren’t supported by the full body of work from the player, basically they’re over selling isolated occurrences. In my experience with Greg’ Cosell’s breakdowns, he’s not one of those guys. Greg is normally impartial, and he tends to hold back on long term assessments. He normally speaks to the current moment and what the tape shows. I’m sure there is context behind his comments, and they’re probably not as negative as they seem. I’ll have to watch them again later, and I’ll upload what my thoughts are about his critique of Jalen’s play.
Greg was talking out of his ass, IMO. Hurts threw 14 passes and he was way too critical of the one pass play where Jalen didn’t throw the ball to an “open” Smitty. But Gainwell was running that wheel route. To me, it looked like Hurts was coached to throw it to the RB. Maybe Smitty was a decoy. For me, I’d have to speak to Kellen Moore to know what Hurts was supposed to key on. But even if he missed him, it happens all the time with every QB. I just think the media is overly critical with Hurts. Not sure why. Maybe it’s an anti-eagles bias?
What's up Cabasa! I appreciate the super chat. I definitely think it's worth breaking down this game. I saw more in breaking routes executed from the pocket from Jalen than in previous weeks. I definitely think there is value in showing spread concepts vs some of the west coast offense I saw today. I'm curious what Jalen's time-to-throw mark was for this game. It felt like he was decisive, and deliberate with the football this afternoon.
Incredible breakdown! Thank you! I can’t wait to watch this thing develop.. based on what I’m gathering from you, if these guys can keep refining and meshing, they could have have something special.. at least that’s what I hope I’m gathering haha..
It’s always tough to predict the future but I’m right there with you. If we’re fortunate to keep this combo for 2-3 years, I’m interested to see how that meshing of concepts comes together.
Nick has his marching orders from HOWIE and the Eagles analytics department! I wouldn’t be surprised if the GM isn’t handling a play list from the analytics to Nick and instructing him to find situations to implement them.
I appreciate the comment and view. The clock is just a background prop, and with my laptop, smart watch, and phone all on me when I'm researching, preparing the script, and filming, I don't actually use the wall clock. Although it might be fun to move the time around during parts of the video to see if people catch on to it.
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@@CoachHeitter 😂 Yeah, I was just having fun. That's a great idea moving the hands during the show. The clock is just so big and prominent in the shot, it was hard not to notice that it wasn't moving. Keep up the great work with the content! I learn something every time I watch,
GCS is absolutely right. Slow starts are not new for the Eagles. Even in 2022 when the birds were a dominant team, the offense often started slow in the first quarter and then exploded in the 2nd quarter.
What's up UltraRonin! I remember making a video about the 3rd quarter, out of half time struggles the Eagles offense was having during the 2022 season. I said that I unfortunately didn't have good news about our 3rd quarter struggles, but I do think our 1st quarter, opening possession struggles are about to drastically improve. I believe following our bye week, and as you said, we were terrible at opening possessions before that, I think we went on to lead the league in 1st possession scoring. But you're right, we had a major struggle with opening possessions prior to the bye that season.
@@CoachHeitter - opening possessions in 2022 may not have always produced points, but the 2022 Eagles still did a lot of scoring in the first quarter. This year the scripted plays to open the game haven’t been effective. They have to get that straightened out. If the D is showing them a look that they weren’t expecting, then those scripted plays should be set aside and run plays that try to take advantage of what the D is doing.
I feel like maybe Jalen would be a better fit for a different offense style. And that doesnt mean to get rid of him, that means to change the offensive playstyle. Which is easier said than done
What’s up Beez! I posted something similar on another post, but I think something is being disrupted in that huddle. My concern is, if there is a change in the literal vernacular of the play calls, then that is causing timing issues at the huddle. It would explain a lot with regard to why we are so late breaking the huddle, and why we operate with some sense of flow and consistency once we switch it up and go no huddle. If our QB and OC are having issues with the chain of communication at the huddle, that can easily steep into what Jalen is reading on the field. The bad news is, this can absolutely cause us to drop a game we should win. But on the other hand, the good news is that this can be fixed relatively easily with time, and a little self evaluation about the playbook, and some subtle tweaks. At other stops, Kellen’s offense was very much a quick timing offense that attacked the short middle by the hashes. He ran a lot of Slants, Comebacks, Curls, and Hitches. However, it has to be read presnap, and the footwork has to be there with the QB. Jalen is capable of doing this, but he clearly needs to be reassured that he’s not gonna lose control of his autonomy at the LOS, and it’s a balance between huddle, coordinator controlled offense, and QB centric, tempo offense once we establish ourself. I really think Kellen and Jalen have to come to an understanding more than anything.
@@CoachHeitter I'm glad all these hiccups are happening at the beginning of the season, so it gives Kellen and Jalen time to figure it out before the late part of the season when every game is basically playoff deciding. I think they'll work it out with a few more games
I had no idea about the different names of certain offenses teams run but it makes sense now. Time to go down a offensive rabbit hole on google 😂 go birds 🦅
It can definitely lead you down a major rabbit hole. However, I can help a little. There are two styles of play calling: Digit based and West Coast. Within those styles of play calling exists three Distinct languages: Air Coryell, Erhardt-Perkins, and West Coast. The two digit based languages are Air Coryell and Erhardt-Perkins. Air Coryell is a numbered system with regards to play calling. It is numbered by the receivers route. An example, and a staple of this offense would be 416 Y Clear. Basically a Curl, Flat, Dig, with the Y clearing the Curl route. Another common call here is a 989 Backs Flat. It’s two Go routes, a post or skinny post, and the backs releasing into the flats if not picking up pressure. The Erhardt-Perkins language is tougher to explain. It’s more concept based. In the passing game, you group together route combinations that attack a specific coverage. A famous Brady example is F Right, 72, Ghost Tosser. In this example, F is the formation, 72 the protection, and Ghost Tosser the route combo. On one side, you have Ghost. That’s a Go with outside release, an out route, and a flat. On the other side of the field, you have a double slant concept. Depending on the coverage, you pick a side of the field and attack it. You can see how vastly different these languages are, and we didn’t even get into the signal based west coast calls. A popular West Coast Call is Double Right 200 Jet Dragon. Double right is the formation, 200 Jet is the protection, Dragon the passing concept. It’s a slant-flat combo. Here is how crazy a west coast call can get. Here is an example Washington gave of Bienemy’s play call… South Right Clamp Fake 67 Slant Naked Right Zebra Slide Can 67 Slant. You can see how the change in language could cause early season headaches for the offense.
It's just a background prop. It adds a nice layer of depth, and fills in blank space. I don't actually use it to tell the time because I normally have my laptop, smart watch, and iphone on me when I'm researching, preparing the script, and filming. With all those devices in front of me, I'm shamefully aware of the time to honestly a ridiculous level. I can't remember the last time I just roamed around completely unaware of the time.
What’s up Steve! The Van Man is an incredible athlete. For some of the negative stuff around the team, I will say, finding ways of using guys like VanSumeren is a step in the right direction by the coaching staff.
Exactly. As soon as you filter by under center snaps, but passing snaps in particular, you have a good idea of the type of scheme they're playing in, or the amount of trust/growth the QB has with the staff depending on the numbers. For example, if you got a young guy like Caleb Williams at QB who is playing in a Erhardt-Perkins system, how can you manage him until his knowledge grows, you put him under center. He is tied for 15th in under center passing attempts. Obviously when you turn your back to the defense, or you're semi-booted or booted, your reads become more defined than playing spread, shotgun offense. With Jalen, I think they're trying to bridge him right now as the competing systems settle into a norm. So, early in games, they have him playing under center in the run game more often than we have noticed in the past. Then last week, we even opened the game with an under center throw. That throw was very well defined for Jalen. I noticed this with Peyton Manning too during the early 2000s. They seemed to play under center a lot during the first 2-3 drives of football games. Then, as the game went on, they would allow him to go into shotgun, and tempo the offense.
@@CoachHeitteryes…this methodology is a way to “unhook” the QB progressively…it helps them to get out of funks and “see” the field better…get on track…and on schedule…line blocking has to support the OC coordinating the attack by “blocking windows” for a QB to pinpoint throws…they are bringing JH along slowly but there is a defined architecture in place with scheme and play design supporting it…I just notice the play call “stacks” look unhinged at times but the D is trying to win too…LOL 😂
Joe burrows gets the ball out very fast because he knows where he is going with the ball, now if Fangio puts pressure on him by mixing it up we should be fine, you can't stay in the blitz mode forever because Hell pick it apart, mix it up we'll be fine.....😅😅😅😅😅😅
What’s up Kevin! That’s the advantage of West Coast Systems. It’s rhythm and timing offense, and having your head coach for the most part handle all of the finer details presnap, that allows guys to play fast. Now, if the timing gets disrupted, or the coach gets thrown a curveball he’s not expecting, that’s when teams as talented as Cincy get in trouble.
Great job! I dont mind the scheme & love Hurts… those 2 mesh plays were embarrassingly bad… refused to eliminate the wheel to Gainwell & get to smith with 2nd read flying through his field of vision for easy 1st down & then not even making the 1st read later to Saquon for the walk in TD later on the same play design? I like Jalen but that was befuddling for a NFL QB. If struggling to execute these simple plays we run 4 times a game Im not seeing any expansion. No throws middle of the field for 3 weeks is starting to get ridiculous. Ive stuck u for Jalen my entire life IM not sure whats going on… when he throws hes everything you want! Accurate with great touch. Any thoughts on whats going on?
What’s up Tmindful! I have a gut feeling about what’s happening, but I can’t say definitively without being in the meeting rooms. My concern is, if there is a change in the literal vernacular of the play calls, that is causing timing issues at the huddle. It would explain a lot with regard to why we are so late breaking the huddle, and why we operate with some sense of flow and consistency once we switch it up and go no huddle. If our QB and OC are having issues with the chain of communication at the huddle, that can easily steep into what Jalen is reading on the field. The bad news is, this can absolutely cause us to drop a game we should win. But on the other hand, the good news is that this can be fixed relatively easily with time, and a little self evaluation about the playbook, and some subtle tweaks. In terms of Middle of the Field passing attempts, that caught me off guard too. I can explain away the Cleveland game. They play MOF closed out of single high, and no one really throws across the Middle of the Field on them. However, against two high looks, we’ve had opportunities and refused to take them. At other stops, Kellen’s offense was very much a quick timing offense that attacked the short middle by the hashes. He ran a lot of Slants, Comebacks, Curls, and Hitches. However, it has to be read presnap, and the footwork has to be there with the QB. Jalen is capable of doing this, but he clearly needs to be reassured that he’s not gonna lose control of his autonomy at the LOS, and it’s a balance between huddle, coordinator controlled offense, and QB centric, tempo offense once we establish our self. I really think Kellen and Jalen have to come to an understanding more than anything.
They’re definitely in a challenging situation. I can’t know with 100% certainty because I’m not in the room and they flat out refused to answer the question about the vernacular being used on the play sheets this summer, but it feels like there is a disconnect within that presnap sequencing between Kellen and Jalen. Just the nature of us being the slowest team in time to snap recordings, the pre snap penalties, post snap errors, foot work issues, and inconsistency with Jalen’s reads this season. It kind of feels like a system that is being meshed and integrated that potentially has not only different vernacular surrounding the play sheet, but also different landing marks with the structure of the offense. Basically the steps, hitch no hitch, spacing from the line of scrimmage, and top of route stem landing points. No matter the system, in the modern NFL where everything is a mutation, the route combinations are all the same really. However, those finer details above can be changed by a new system.
I’ve been noticing Hurts footwork has been very choppy. It’s very noticeable on his miss throws almost every game there is a big play he misses. A guy wide open but Hurts feet are not set so he’s still holding the ball and just chucks it to AJ or anyone deep. I think he can read the defense he just can’t pass the ball correctly because of his bad footwork in the pocket
No, look at how the offense has changed since to GB game. The issue is Hurts and what he can do, can’t or refuses to do for whatever reason. It is Moore adapting his offense to Hurts. Hurts leaves so many well designed plays in the trash heap, like having Barkley wide open in the flat, not seeing him, running out of tge pocket and throwing the ball away. This stuff happens a ton. It needs to stop.
Thank you for the level headed analysis coach. I live in the Philly media market, and the hyperbole over the Eagles peaked (I hope)exceptionally early this year.
Everyone share this channel. It’s too good to NOT share. 😊
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My man always teaching so glad to have you brother ,some of them fans can learn a lot more from you,then trashing there own team thank you
Amazing video, you're the closest most fans will get to being inside the office of a team's staff while listening them talk and explain stuff.
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Cathedral!!!
What an absolutely EPIC and cerebral breakdown ❤❤❤
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Gate you are an absolute gem...your insight is invaluable...your are under appreciated and under served...
I appreciate you guys hanging in there and making it through a 38 minute video. It's a big ask, but it's honestly one of the best parts of having a niche channel and community. You all afford me the oportunity and advantage to tackle some of these difficult conversations that require a lot of time and explanation.
I've been watching for almost 2 years and i wanna tell you i love how you breakdown everything.
What’s up Kinglanothegreat! I appreciate you guys sticking through these long winded explanations. It’s what makes this community unique, and I’m grateful. Fly🦅Fly!
@@CoachHeitter love you bro from one eagles fan to another. Keep giving us this 🔥✊🏼.
I’m 26 and love the history and knowledge your dropping man appreciate this to understand how the game has developed and evolved
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I think it’s a power fight between Moore and Nick Siriani against GB their offense looked like Moore since then it looks like the offense from last season. No motions or nothing
Holy Hell!! Information much... Well done. I'll need to watch this 6 times to get it all.
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Whoa, I wasn’t ready for this knowledge. Subbed!
Learned a lot from this video and found answers to many of the things I wonder about when watching the Birds, great job!!
I knew that about Cincy! Sam Wyche was phenomenal! I was born in 1959...inconsistency in the OC spot I think has delayed the total version that we fans KNOW this could evolve into!
What's up Wayne! Sam Wyche is another really underrated offensive mind. People tend to forget he is part of the Bill Walsh tree too, and was Montana's original QB coach with the 9ers.
Love your content Gate City. I'm from Philadelphia living in Mount Airy, NC. Thank you
What's up Judd! I've been to Mount Airy/Pilot Mountain a few times. I actually taught and coached primarily in Guilford and Forsyth County. I appreciate the comment and view. Fly🦅Fly!
Dan Sileo should listen to your breakdown... They talk all this crap about Hurts without revealing schemes. This is how you know he is pandering.
I have nothing against Dan, I get it, views and engagement are the name of the game. However, your final point says it all, it’s just pandering.
@@CoachHeitter 💪🙌🙏🦅
Sileo doesn’t know ball. He had a little talent when he was young and was able to play, that’s it. You’d be surprised at how many guys could play and do their one thing but don’t know shit about ball in general.
Man I’ve never seen someone so negatively opinionated like Dan Sileo… really tries to destroy Eagles fans optimism.
Valid assessment
Bwahaha😂🤣😂 I remember the run and shoot.. I like what Buddy Ryan called it. The chuck and duck👀😢😂🤣
Good ol’ Buddy Ryan days. 😂
@@CoachHeitterbut we ran it as well lol 😂
Gate been watching your shows for year love your content you do a great job. Been an eagles fan for 30 years. The thing when you watch other teams offenses compared to ours it’s so bad there’s no rhythm or. Nothing no creativity. Where do you think the problem lies. No rb screens no rb slants nothing. And the biggest problem no throwing the ball over the middle. They had stat hurts has only thrown ball over middle 4 times. That is crazy to hear is it because he can’t read the middle of the field or they don’t ask him to throw on the middle of the field.
What’s up Eagle Nation! To an extent, as familiarity increases within the system, and a happy norm is established, the rhythm by which the offense operates should improve. The extent of that improvement will likely determine our success on the season.
Underlying the topic around rhythm, or offensive flow, is that idea of meshing a digit based scheme with a West Coast scheme. During the summer they were asked but never really answered the question around the play sheet language. Is the actual vernacular around our play calls west coast (code words), air Coryell (# system for receivers), or Erhardt-Perkins (Short and to the Point). How much of an impact is this having on our play clock issues. I think there is more going on here than we realize.
The lack of short game (RB/TE Screens, Slants, in-breaking routes under 10 yards, Hitches, Curls, Comebacks, other Sticks concepts, and fast 3s out of the backfield) I think this is a built in constraint to the meshing of these systems. This is where I think the greatest area of expansion will occur over the duration of the season. But, right now I think they’re starting out with what Jalen knows, and the early injuries probably set us back a little, and little by little, the Kellen Moore quick game will be added. I think you could extend this question out to 3x1 stacked releases. I expected to see it utilized more often than it has been so far. This is an area where Jalen, Kellen, Patullo, and Stout have to get on the same page.
In terms of playing over the middle, there are opportunities at times that we just don’t take. I definitely see in breaking routes on the tape. So, either Jalen doesn’t trust our guys outside of A.J. and Dallas to an extent on those routes, or he’s reading something presnap that I’m not seeing. I would need to be in the film room with him to really boil it down. That’s a Nussmeier thing. He has to ask the what and why behind the read.
A good example, although it wasn’t necessarily over the middle is the DeVonta throw away before the A.J. TD. When I looked at the tape, it didn’t seem like Jalen missed DeVonta in his eye sight. He definitely looked like he saw him. However, watch his footwork on that play, he’s hitching when he should be throwing the ball. So, that leads me to believe the option to hit that play was missed during the presnap read, and not postsnap. It makes sense to hitch up like that for a wheel route, but not for a drag/mesh route. It looked like he made that decision presnap. So, I would probably ask him who he is queuing in on, and in the future, what can we do to time this play with our footwork to be able to affectively get to our 2nd read where there is an opportunity for a conversion.
It’s tough because Jalen has the underlying talent to be one of the elite QBs in this league. When he is on, and everything is clicking, it’s poetry in motion. But we need to find some consistency with managing game plans, and game flow.
Gate another question what you thought about Gregg cossell ripping hurts. And do you think the first quarter struggles is all based on analytics. Because we all know the firs 15 play are scripted. And the thing that bothers me so much is the last 6 years of watching eagles we are build as running team. And it’s crazy as fans we know that but players always say we have to find identity. This old school ground and pound team like Rex Ryan said that’s your identity. Run the ball use that for play action. That’s the one thing I never seen in eagles play calls either play action. Or is rpo same aspect. The thing that bothers me the most there’s too much talent to go 6 games and not score in the first quarter.
Yea like you said earlier they where killing him for missing Davonte wide open in front of him. Bottom line the biggest knock on are boy is a he can’t read defenses and doesn’t go through his progressions. I hope where wrong about this and h only gets better because every eagle fan like us love the kid we just want him to get better. Because I know the media kills him enough.
What’s your thoughts on cosell saying Jalen can’t read and make basic throws. ??
I did listen this morning, but to be honest, I was distracted and I don’t recall the full context. I’ll have to listen to Cosell’s comments again and really pay attention to what he’s critiquing.
Cosell’s not really a hot take guy, and he legitimately watches tape. I say that because there are others that claim to watch tape, and they might but it’s not on the topic they’re discussing, and they give some really sketch takes that aren’t supported by the full body of work from the player, basically they’re over selling isolated occurrences. In my experience with Greg’ Cosell’s breakdowns, he’s not one of those guys. Greg is normally impartial, and he tends to hold back on long term assessments. He normally speaks to the current moment and what the tape shows. I’m sure there is context behind his comments, and they’re probably not as negative as they seem.
I’ll have to watch them again later, and I’ll upload what my thoughts are about his critique of Jalen’s play.
Greg was talking out of his ass, IMO. Hurts threw 14 passes and he was way too critical of the one pass play where Jalen didn’t throw the ball to an “open” Smitty. But Gainwell was running that wheel route. To me, it looked like Hurts was coached to throw it to the RB. Maybe Smitty was a decoy. For me, I’d have to speak to Kellen Moore to know what Hurts was supposed to key on. But even if he missed him, it happens all the time with every QB. I just think the media is overly critical with Hurts. Not sure why. Maybe it’s an anti-eagles bias?
@@Shaz1973valid assessment
Thanks! Also can you do a vid on how 22 offense is different from last year and this year?
What's up Cabasa! I appreciate the super chat.
I definitely think it's worth breaking down this game. I saw more in breaking routes executed from the pocket from Jalen than in previous weeks.
I definitely think there is value in showing spread concepts vs some of the west coast offense I saw today. I'm curious what Jalen's time-to-throw mark was for this game. It felt like he was decisive, and deliberate with the football this afternoon.
@@CoachHeitter Amazing game! I can't wait till you break it down.
the west coast off was first run by the eagles in 1960 by Norm Van Brocklin and Bill walsh in an interview said he took it from the 1960 eagles.
Incredible breakdown! Thank you!
I can’t wait to watch this thing develop.. based on what I’m gathering from you, if these guys can keep refining and meshing, they could have have something special.. at least that’s what I hope I’m gathering haha..
It’s always tough to predict the future but I’m right there with you. If we’re fortunate to keep this combo for 2-3 years, I’m interested to see how that meshing of concepts comes together.
What an amazing explanation video! Gate you are a football encyclopedia!
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Another gem video !!!
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Super cool video. I love this kind of stuff.
Good shit man...💪🦅
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Nick has his marching orders from HOWIE and the Eagles analytics department! I wouldn’t be surprised if the GM isn’t handling a play list from the analytics to Nick and instructing him to find situations to implement them.
Thanks!
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Great stuff
What’s up MooreTainted! Appreciate it! Fly🦅Fly!
Gate, you gotta change the batteries in that clock. Love the content.
I appreciate the comment and view. The clock is just a background prop, and with my laptop, smart watch, and phone all on me when I'm researching, preparing the script, and filming, I don't actually use the wall clock. Although it might be fun to move the time around during parts of the video to see if people catch on to it.
@@CoachHeitter 😂 Yeah, I was just having fun. That's a great idea moving the hands during the show. The clock is just so big and prominent in the shot, it was hard not to notice that it wasn't moving. Keep up the great work with the content! I learn something every time I watch,
GCS is absolutely right. Slow starts are not new for the Eagles. Even in 2022 when the birds were a dominant team, the offense often started slow in the first quarter and then exploded in the 2nd quarter.
What's up UltraRonin! I remember making a video about the 3rd quarter, out of half time struggles the Eagles offense was having during the 2022 season. I said that I unfortunately didn't have good news about our 3rd quarter struggles, but I do think our 1st quarter, opening possession struggles are about to drastically improve. I believe following our bye week, and as you said, we were terrible at opening possessions before that, I think we went on to lead the league in 1st possession scoring. But you're right, we had a major struggle with opening possessions prior to the bye that season.
@@CoachHeitter - opening possessions in 2022 may not have always produced points, but the 2022 Eagles still did a lot of scoring in the first quarter.
This year the scripted plays to open the game haven’t been effective. They have to get that straightened out. If the D is showing them a look that they weren’t expecting, then those scripted plays should be set aside and run plays that try to take advantage of what the D is doing.
I feel like maybe Jalen would be a better fit for a different offense style. And that doesnt mean to get rid of him, that means to change the offensive playstyle. Which is easier said than done
What’s up Beez! I posted something similar on another post, but I think something is being disrupted in that huddle. My concern is, if there is a change in the literal vernacular of the play calls, then that is causing timing issues at the huddle. It would explain a lot with regard to why we are so late breaking the huddle, and why we operate with some sense of flow and consistency once we switch it up and go no huddle.
If our QB and OC are having issues with the chain of communication at the huddle, that can easily steep into what Jalen is reading on the field.
The bad news is, this can absolutely cause us to drop a game we should win. But on the other hand, the good news is that this can be fixed relatively easily with time, and a little self evaluation about the playbook, and some subtle tweaks.
At other stops, Kellen’s offense was very much a quick timing offense that attacked the short middle by the hashes. He ran a lot of Slants, Comebacks, Curls, and Hitches. However, it has to be read presnap, and the footwork has to be there with the QB. Jalen is capable of doing this, but he clearly needs to be reassured that he’s not gonna lose control of his autonomy at the LOS, and it’s a balance between huddle, coordinator controlled offense, and QB centric, tempo offense once we establish ourself. I really think Kellen and Jalen have to come to an understanding more than anything.
@@CoachHeitter I'm glad all these hiccups are happening at the beginning of the season, so it gives Kellen and Jalen time to figure it out before the late part of the season when every game is basically playoff deciding. I think they'll work it out with a few more games
I had no idea about the different names of certain offenses teams run but it makes sense now. Time to go down a offensive rabbit hole on google 😂 go birds 🦅
It can definitely lead you down a major rabbit hole. However, I can help a little. There are two styles of play calling: Digit based and West Coast.
Within those styles of play calling exists three Distinct languages: Air Coryell, Erhardt-Perkins, and West Coast. The two digit based languages are Air Coryell and Erhardt-Perkins.
Air Coryell is a numbered system with regards to play calling. It is numbered by the receivers route. An example, and a staple of this offense would be 416 Y Clear. Basically a Curl, Flat, Dig, with the Y clearing the Curl route. Another common call here is a 989 Backs Flat. It’s two Go routes, a post or skinny post, and the backs releasing into the flats if not picking up pressure.
The Erhardt-Perkins language is tougher to explain. It’s more concept based. In the passing game, you group together route combinations that attack a specific coverage. A famous Brady example is F Right, 72, Ghost Tosser. In this example, F is the formation, 72 the protection, and Ghost Tosser the route combo. On one side, you have Ghost. That’s a Go with outside release, an out route, and a flat. On the other side of the field, you have a double slant concept. Depending on the coverage, you pick a side of the field and attack it.
You can see how vastly different these languages are, and we didn’t even get into the signal based west coast calls. A popular West Coast Call is Double Right 200 Jet Dragon. Double right is the formation, 200 Jet is the protection, Dragon the passing concept. It’s a slant-flat combo. Here is how crazy a west coast call can get. Here is an example Washington gave of Bienemy’s play call… South Right Clamp Fake 67 Slant Naked Right Zebra Slide Can 67 Slant.
You can see how the change in language could cause early season headaches for the offense.
What's significance of the clock ? Time never changes. I've noticed this before, just curious
It's just a background prop. It adds a nice layer of depth, and fills in blank space. I don't actually use it to tell the time because I normally have my laptop, smart watch, and iphone on me when I'm researching, preparing the script, and filming. With all those devices in front of me, I'm shamefully aware of the time to honestly a ridiculous level. I can't remember the last time I just roamed around completely unaware of the time.
@CoachHeitter meant nothing by it. Just something I've noticed from other videos. Been a subscriber since I ran across you. Thanks Coach
No worries, and I appreciate the support!
Can’t ignore that they use VanSumeren as a fullback / tight end the last few games.
What’s up Steve! The Van Man is an incredible athlete. For some of the negative stuff around the team, I will say, finding ways of using guys like VanSumeren is a step in the right direction by the coaching staff.
Joe Burrow...great QB right?...ALWAYS in Shotgun...now people have to ask WHY?...These questions are not asked in every fanbase...
Exactly. As soon as you filter by under center snaps, but passing snaps in particular, you have a good idea of the type of scheme they're playing in, or the amount of trust/growth the QB has with the staff depending on the numbers. For example, if you got a young guy like Caleb Williams at QB who is playing in a Erhardt-Perkins system, how can you manage him until his knowledge grows, you put him under center. He is tied for 15th in under center passing attempts. Obviously when you turn your back to the defense, or you're semi-booted or booted, your reads become more defined than playing spread, shotgun offense.
With Jalen, I think they're trying to bridge him right now as the competing systems settle into a norm. So, early in games, they have him playing under center in the run game more often than we have noticed in the past. Then last week, we even opened the game with an under center throw. That throw was very well defined for Jalen. I noticed this with Peyton Manning too during the early 2000s. They seemed to play under center a lot during the first 2-3 drives of football games. Then, as the game went on, they would allow him to go into shotgun, and tempo the offense.
@@CoachHeitteryes…this methodology is a way to “unhook” the QB progressively…it helps them to get out of funks and “see” the field better…get on track…and on schedule…line blocking has to support the OC coordinating the attack by “blocking windows” for a QB to pinpoint throws…they are bringing JH along slowly but there is a defined architecture in place with scheme and play design supporting it…I just notice the play call “stacks” look unhinged at times but the D is trying to win too…LOL 😂
Where u been at bro
Joe burrows gets the ball out very fast because he knows where he is going with the ball, now if Fangio puts pressure on him by mixing it up we should be fine, you can't stay in the blitz mode forever because Hell pick it apart, mix it up we'll be fine.....😅😅😅😅😅😅
What’s up Kevin! That’s the advantage of West Coast Systems. It’s rhythm and timing offense, and having your head coach for the most part handle all of the finer details presnap, that allows guys to play fast.
Now, if the timing gets disrupted, or the coach gets thrown a curveball he’s not expecting, that’s when teams as talented as Cincy get in trouble.
Great job! I dont mind the scheme & love Hurts… those 2 mesh plays were embarrassingly bad… refused to eliminate the wheel to Gainwell & get to smith with 2nd read flying through his field of vision for easy 1st down & then not even making the 1st read later to Saquon for the walk in TD later on the same play design? I like Jalen but that was befuddling for a NFL QB. If struggling to execute these simple plays we run 4 times a game Im not seeing any expansion. No throws middle of the field for 3 weeks is starting to get ridiculous. Ive stuck u for Jalen my entire life IM not sure whats going on… when he throws hes everything you want! Accurate with great touch. Any thoughts on whats going on?
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What’s up Tmindful! I have a gut feeling about what’s happening, but I can’t say definitively without being in the meeting rooms.
My concern is, if there is a change in the literal vernacular of the play calls, that is causing timing issues at the huddle. It would explain a lot with regard to why we are so late breaking the huddle, and why we operate with some sense of flow and consistency once we switch it up and go no huddle.
If our QB and OC are having issues with the chain of communication at the huddle, that can easily steep into what Jalen is reading on the field.
The bad news is, this can absolutely cause us to drop a game we should win. But on the other hand, the good news is that this can be fixed relatively easily with time, and a little self evaluation about the playbook, and some subtle tweaks.
In terms of Middle of the Field passing attempts, that caught me off guard too. I can explain away the Cleveland game. They play MOF closed out of single high, and no one really throws across the Middle of the Field on them. However, against two high looks, we’ve had opportunities and refused to take them.
At other stops, Kellen’s offense was very much a quick timing offense that attacked the short middle by the hashes. He ran a lot of Slants, Comebacks, Curls, and Hitches. However, it has to be read presnap, and the footwork has to be there with the QB. Jalen is capable of doing this, but he clearly needs to be reassured that he’s not gonna lose control of his autonomy at the LOS, and it’s a balance between huddle, coordinator controlled offense, and QB centric, tempo offense once we establish our self. I really think Kellen and Jalen have to come to an understanding more than anything.
I wish you were in there to talk ball.. we'd be a better offense. Your ego wouldn't get in the way🦅🦅🦅
They’re definitely in a challenging situation. I can’t know with 100% certainty because I’m not in the room and they flat out refused to answer the question about the vernacular being used on the play sheets this summer, but it feels like there is a disconnect within that presnap sequencing between Kellen and Jalen.
Just the nature of us being the slowest team in time to snap recordings, the pre snap penalties, post snap errors, foot work issues, and inconsistency with Jalen’s reads this season.
It kind of feels like a system that is being meshed and integrated that potentially has not only different vernacular surrounding the play sheet, but also different landing marks with the structure of the offense. Basically the steps, hitch no hitch, spacing from the line of scrimmage, and top of route stem landing points. No matter the system, in the modern NFL where everything is a mutation, the route combinations are all the same really. However, those finer details above can be changed by a new system.
@@CoachHeitter thanks Gate City
I’ve been noticing Hurts footwork has been very choppy. It’s very noticeable on his miss throws almost every game there is a big play he misses. A guy wide open but Hurts feet are not set so he’s still holding the ball and just chucks it to AJ or anyone deep. I think he can read the defense he just can’t pass the ball correctly because of his bad footwork in the pocket
Gate it’s quite simple, Jalen gotta hit some of these receivers, Rhythm would make this super loaded offense much better, Jalen HAS to be better
No, look at how the offense has changed since to GB game. The issue is Hurts and what he can do, can’t or refuses to do for whatever reason. It is Moore adapting his offense to Hurts. Hurts leaves so many well designed plays in the trash heap, like having Barkley wide open in the flat, not seeing him, running out of tge pocket and throwing the ball away. This stuff happens a ton. It needs to stop.
My man always teaching so glad to have you brother ,some of them fans can learn a lot more from you,then trashing there own team thank you