Keith, my first job in a machine shop was in the late 70's where I was put on a 24" shaper machining something called an allen bearing2 for boat shafts An oblong cast iron part about a foot long in 2 halves. probably a precursor of the cutlass bearing I faced off the mating faces, drilled bolt holes, tapped a grease fitting, cut gaskets and drilled lock holes for babbit and then poured the babbit. Then bolted them together and delivered them to the lathe guy who would ream them. This was at the Hall and Stavert machine shop in PEI Canada who you may of heard of. Their props were used all over. Gone now but not forgotten. James
Hey Keith great vid as usual I am a marine diesel tech in New York ( Long Island) I deal with fiberglass stern tubes on lobster boats all the time 30 plus years. This is a great idea and a great time saver I have never seen any threaded bearings but maybe I will see some soon thanks Pete
Keith, great camera angles and lighting, super sharp to where you an see the tool pressure. I really need to start threading on the lathe but will need to change gears and forget the threading dial - 'one day I will, one day'. Thanks for sharing, as always interesting and I learned something new. Regards from Bonnie Scotland.
So many memories of watching, and for a year working with, my father who had his own one man business. The patience that he and you have is amazing. I watch all your videos and the memories are lovely. Thank you.
Keith, It's such a pleasure to have you back again! Great video! Keith Rucker gave you a nice plug yesterday, saying that you were going out to California to a machinists meet and that he was looking forward to meeting you in person. He said that your videos inspired him to start his channel, and I found his channel watching your channel. Great stuff and you two are on the top of my list of favorites!. Please let us know how you are feeling and when you think you are 100% healed.Regards,Rich
Glad to see you're going to rebuild/regrind that chuck. I can't count how many times you've mentioned it needed doing, and I've been waiting for 2 (or is it more?) years because I'd really like to see how it's done.
Nice work Keith. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Shop Cat must have nine lives hanging out around all those moving machines ;). They are great companions
Nice job on those nuts. Your plasma table is great to save time making parts. I have an Esab 875 but no room for a table . These machines are really great to have ,I love the ease of use , I tried mine on aluminum it worked but I couldn't move it fast enough to keep the boogers from hanging on the back . But its nice to have and it beats many other ways of cutting. As long as I'm not worrying about hardening I cut everything with it. I enjoy your vids and watching them makes me want more machines like a bigger lathe and a kt mill, but being disabled since 79 and now stuck in a wheelchair it's gona be even harder to get them. I'm looking and trying to find a smaller knee mill , like the Rockwell or clausing even the enco or grizzly , I'd like the 830 for the travel , oh well at sixty years old an no real income I got to wheel and deal , not many people willing to trade for woodworking machines and tools. I'm inspired to get out in my shop because of all you guys on RUclips ,someday you may see a vid by the silverbullet . Take care of yourself ain't no fun being messed up . Keep the vids coming. THANKS GARY
Another great video. I don't think i've seen internal threads cut like that. Not that i ever will, but i understand how/why. Thx. for all the effort that goes into your videos. I need to get off my butt and go get 'er done! Marty La Verne, CA
Give yourself a tick on the camera angles etc on those two videos Keith--that was first class and very enjoyable..The idea for changing those stern tube bearings is tops and you wonder why its not standard practice..regards E
That's a great system Keith, great thinking! I sure could have used that on a few refitting jobs I did on the few boats I've worked on at dry dock....if there's ever a next time I'll recommend the boat owner do this, and will hopefully pick up the job :) Aloha Keith... Farmer Chuck
To watch the master is poetry in motion - Great videos Kieth. I presume you do not thread the rest of the bearing because by the time you have that bearing pulled out that far you can work it out the rest of the way? Keep up the fantastic work oh Master!
Another great video, so happy your back making it all happen. Keith, while watching during the really tight close ups, you can actually see a small amount of deflection in the bar as the cutter engages the thread! And almost none during the spring cuts.. Too cool! Also, I was wondering if there was more clearance on the nut after being released from the chucking pressure? Again, thanks Keith
I haven't used a lathe since school and that was many years ago i'm sad to say... I'm a huge fan of watching experience at work. In the UK now there is little production of anything other than hot air from politicians. Your a lucky man amigo, i'm sure there's frustrations but i'd trade in a minute for a week of it.. You ever left the chuck key in starting the lathe? every other day in the school work shop...
Hello Keith I see yuo take the jaws of for this job. We in Holland have a set of soft jaws ,we screw on ,and whit a ring clamped in the jaw bolt holes uy can turn every diameter to fit the work piece for a realy thigt verry true moving fit.And wil do this over and over again for a lot of pieces . I do watch many yuu tube whih lays work,and never see anyone juse a chuk claw like that.
Ditto, you are always entertaining and informative. It would be nice to see how this fits on a boat but I understand that it is beyond the scope. :} In any event are you getting ready for the mad rush of tourist season? I am in Worcester and have been on the Cape many times.
Since you only loan out the pull ring , there is no problem matching thread fit on a new cutlass bearing. But what if the nut gets lost? Obviously you can make a new pull ring, but it may not match bearings already in service. It would make sense to me to make a plug gauge each time you make a pull ring (and make gauges for the pull rings you already have).
Keith I stumbled on your video and so glad I did. It's the best I have seen. I got hooked and watched all of them in one sitting. Would you please explain the Thread cutting bit that is silver soldered. Are you using HSS or Carbide bits? If its HSS does the heat not destroy the hardness? Regards
+Keith Fenner Check Amazon, quite a savings on the product. www.amazon.com/TPFH025-Interchangeable-Complete-Holder-Character/dp/B002UNKIC0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1460774987&sr=8-2&keywords=steel+type+stamp
When threading with no relief cut do you use a dial indicator for your stop (you said there was no stop on your lathe)? How do you keep each cut to the nth degree so you don't jam the tool when you are doing the deeper cuts while threading? The camera wasn't showing your movements or the end of the cut. I haven't much experience cutting without a relief while threading so am trying to pick up your cues. Thanks. Doug
+Douglas Thompson I run zeros on the dials and I also use a travel dial on the lathe for the starting location. I have several other videos covering threading as a whole. ;{)-----
I'm wondering that when you are cutting threads on the lathe, how do you aling the cuts on the thread? Why doesnt the lathe just starts cutting the thread in a different spot from the previous threads? I hope my question is a bit understandable my englisch isnt the best. That said keep up the good work! Greetings from Holland.
+simon aldridge I worked this idea with the customer that wanted to have another way to remove his bearing. I then took the idea we used and made it available for all. ;{)-----
I wonder if threading the driver tool would help protect the bearing threads while driving it in. Also wonder if Kitty gets metal slivers in her tongue when cleaning her paws? :{)> Glad to have you back on my play list.
You mentioned that scale builds up between the bearing and the housing I assume this would fill up the threads. Would it not be possible to cut three or four holes in the nut similar to a thread cutting die to allow the scale to be cleaned out of the thread and ejected? Ray
I saw that you brazed an insert on a boring bar many times I attempt uncessfully to braze old inserts with easy flo silver brazing to make custom tools, some inserts do the trick bot most won't are you making a preparation to the insert before brazing?
+Keith Fenner My thinking is you can cut it full profile and still have the flat spot on top, plus it's stronger and is meant for using to pull or push.
Is that a new innovation for marine bearing application to aid in pulling, especially for fiberglass through hole? Or has this technique been around? If so, maybe give some thought to protect your intellectual/mechanical property rights with a patent. While at the "Summer Bash" pick Stan's brain about that, since he just went through the patent process. Cheers.
What I don't understand is how do you engage the feed while cutting threads? does it land in the beginning of the thread every time, or do you have to time it right?
Hi, Keith! Would a *_left handed_* thread make a difference in this? Is there any reason you make them right handed- other than convenience? Thank you!
A stupid question: do you separate the shavings and cut off material by material (Stainless, bronze and so on) and sell it as scrap, or what do you do with it?
I wonder if Shop Cat has a Maine accent? Recent studies show that cats do actually pick up tonalities from their hosts' regional accent ;) Is this an appropriate apostrophe use. I can never tell :(
Keith, my first job in a machine shop was in the late 70's where I was put on a 24" shaper machining something called an allen bearing2 for boat shafts An oblong cast iron part about a foot long in 2 halves. probably a precursor of the cutlass bearing I faced off the mating faces, drilled bolt holes, tapped a grease fitting, cut gaskets and drilled lock holes for babbit and then poured the babbit. Then bolted them together and delivered them to the lathe guy who would ream them. This was at the Hall and Stavert machine shop in PEI Canada who you may of heard of. Their props were used all over. Gone now but not forgotten.
James
Thank You Keith, You are the best.....
Gary, North West Arkansas, 73 years old Hobby Machinist.
very nice to see you back "on your feet" again, every thing is back to normal now! thanks and hope a full and fast recovery for your feet!
I have seen most if not all of them, it's when not using a relief that stresses me. Thanks for them. Doug
Hey Keith great vid as usual I am a marine diesel tech in New York ( Long Island) I deal with fiberglass stern tubes on lobster boats all the time 30 plus years. This is a great idea and a great time saver I have never seen any threaded bearings but maybe I will see some soon thanks Pete
Wow, there is no other place where one can see and learn these kinds of techniques!
Thank you again!
Always nice when somebody thinks ahead to how things will have to be serviced!
Nearly every time I think of a question, You state the answer in your commentary. We make a great team! Nice video Keith! Thank You! :)
I'm always amased how much metal is cut on a spring cut. Great Video Keith, thanks..
+Thomas A Sprouse I was going to remark that too :D
You are the Man Keith, Just wished that you was based in Australia as I have a shed load of work that requires your skill and knowledge !!!
Keith, great camera angles and lighting, super sharp to where you an see the tool pressure. I really need to start threading on the lathe but will need to change gears and forget the threading dial - 'one day I will, one day'. Thanks for sharing, as always interesting and I learned something new. Regards from Bonnie Scotland.
So many memories of watching, and for a year working with, my father who had his own one man business. The patience that he and you have is amazing. I watch all your videos and the memories are lovely. Thank you.
Sweet series regarding tools, the making of them and forethought on their use. That is proof of experience.
Best lighting and camera work. You and Adam are really becoming excellent videographers.
Nice work Keith. Me, being a fisherman and boat owner I know all about those cutlass bearings. GET ER DONE
Keith, It's such a pleasure to have you back again! Great video! Keith Rucker gave you a nice plug yesterday, saying that you were going out to California to a machinists meet and that he was looking forward to meeting you in person. He said that your videos inspired him to start his channel, and I found his channel watching your channel. Great stuff and you two are on the top of my list of favorites!. Please let us know how you are feeling and when you think you are 100% healed.Regards,Rich
Wish I would have seen this back in the '80s when I had my shrimp boats. Great idea!
nice job as always Keith,quick, fast,and gotter done
Nice job as usual Keith. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and your time.
Always a pleasure Keith. Hope the foot continues to heal :)
Glad to see you're going to rebuild/regrind that chuck. I can't count how many times you've mentioned it needed doing, and I've been waiting for 2 (or is it more?) years because I'd really like to see how it's done.
Nice work Keith happy you are back making your videos. I do enjoy every one of your videos
Thanks for sharing with us.
Manny
Nice series Keith thanks for sharing looks like the foot is doing pretty good
Nice work Keith. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Shop Cat must have nine lives hanging out around all those moving machines ;). They are great companions
Great two parter, Keith! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
It would be interesting to see it in action pulling a bearing! Nice video! thanks
sure would be nice to see this in action and watch you pull a shaft bearing using it. Great video yet again!!!
Nice job on those nuts. Your plasma table is great to save time making parts. I have an Esab 875 but no room for a table . These machines are really great to have ,I love the ease of use , I tried mine on aluminum it worked but I couldn't move it fast enough to keep the boogers from hanging on the back . But its nice to have and it beats many other ways of cutting. As long as I'm not worrying about hardening I cut everything with it. I enjoy your vids and watching them makes me want more machines like a bigger lathe and a kt mill, but being disabled since 79 and now stuck in a wheelchair it's gona be even harder to get them. I'm looking and trying to find a smaller knee mill , like the Rockwell or clausing even the enco or grizzly , I'd like the 830 for the travel , oh well at sixty years old an no real income I got to wheel and deal , not many people willing to trade for woodworking machines and tools. I'm inspired to get out in my shop because of all you guys on RUclips ,someday you may see a vid by the silverbullet . Take care of yourself ain't no fun being messed up . Keep the vids coming. THANKS GARY
That is the way to elaborate on a good Idea.Credit where credit due. I like this.
I really enjoyed the closeup video, the way you explain what you are doing is great, I understand it, thank you 👍
Another great video. I don't think i've seen internal threads cut like that. Not that i ever will, but i understand how/why. Thx. for all the effort that goes into your videos.
I need to get off my butt and go get 'er done!
Marty
La Verne, CA
très bon boulot Keith, toujours un vrai plaisir de visionner votre travail ...👍
Great video! Keep them coming. So long from the M/v safety team, Mississippi River towboat
It's great to see you back and doing more videos, keep em' coming!
thats great to see you true up your tool post with the centre, I often do this myself but always wondered if I was cutting corners!
Give yourself a tick on the camera angles etc on those two videos Keith--that was first class and very enjoyable..The idea for changing those stern tube bearings is tops and you wonder why its not standard practice..regards E
Thanks for the video. It is always a pleasure to watch and learn.
That's a great system Keith, great thinking! I sure could have used that on a few refitting jobs I did on the few boats I've worked on at dry dock....if there's ever a next time I'll recommend the boat owner do this, and will hopefully pick up the job :)
Aloha Keith... Farmer Chuck
GREAT VIDEOS. I LIKE TO WATCH THREADING ON THE LATHE. THANKS KEITH
To watch the master is poetry in motion - Great videos Kieth. I presume you do not thread the rest of the bearing because by the time you have that bearing pulled out that far you can work it out the rest of the way? Keep up the fantastic work oh Master!
Or add a pipe spacer behind the nut.
i always enjoy watching someone who knows his stuff
thanks for these videos!
maybe someone can explain to me what a spring cut is?
Outstanding Keith! always appreciate and look forward to your videos!
Just a sckoch more as we say. Love the detail .
Nice job I learnt a few things also, thanks for sharing.
Cool "thinking forward" on the wrench design. Who would have thought to offset the lands! One more out of the "bag of tricks".
Very good Mr. Fenner.
Been waiting 2 years for this.....and could not find any chicken to help me clean the coop...!!! Happy New Year to All .
Well done. I love to watch you work.
Like I said in the past Keith , YOU KNOW YOUR BOAT STUFF .. Yur a good guy , and I enjoyed the vid . Thumbs up !!
Very enjoyable and some good info on mating threads.
Looking great as usual, Thank K
Great video as always.
7:28 make a little (few square inches) perspex shield to go over the cutting tool, held onto the tool post with a magnet :)
Another great video, so happy your back making it all happen. Keith, while watching during the really tight close ups, you can actually see a small amount of deflection in the bar as the cutter engages the thread! And almost none during the spring cuts.. Too cool! Also, I was wondering if there was more clearance on the nut after being released from the chucking pressure? Again, thanks Keith
Excellent series. Love the videos. Thanks.
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Great work love the videos.
Another great video of a great idea!
I haven't used a lathe since school and that was many years ago i'm sad to say... I'm a huge fan of watching experience at work. In the UK now there is little production of anything other than hot air from politicians. Your a lucky man amigo, i'm sure there's frustrations but i'd trade in a minute for a week of it..
You ever left the chuck key in starting the lathe? every other day in the school work shop...
Well I had a great question regarding the thread fit but you addressed it at the end....
Soooo.... nice video, enjoyed it....LOL
Colin :-)
Hello Keith
I see yuo take the jaws of for this job.
We in Holland have a set of soft jaws ,we screw on ,and whit a ring clamped in the jaw bolt holes uy can turn every diameter to fit the work piece for a realy thigt verry true moving fit.And wil do this over and over again for a lot of pieces .
I do watch many yuu tube whih lays work,and never see anyone juse a chuk claw like that.
Ditto, you are always entertaining and informative. It would be nice to see how this fits on a boat but I understand that it is beyond the scope. :} In any event are you getting ready for the mad rush of tourist season? I am in Worcester and have been on the Cape many times.
Great stuff, thanks!
Nice job Keith , I enjoy watching , and I would like to know how to get some logo stickers for your channel for my home shop thanks again.
Since you only loan out the pull ring , there is no problem matching thread fit on a new cutlass bearing. But what if the nut gets lost? Obviously you can make a new pull ring, but it may not match bearings already in service. It would make sense to me to make a plug gauge each time you make a pull ring (and make gauges for the pull rings you already have).
Keith I stumbled on your video and so glad I did. It's the best I have seen. I got hooked and watched all of them in one sitting. Would you please explain the Thread cutting bit that is silver soldered. Are you using HSS or Carbide bits? If its HSS does the heat not destroy the hardness? Regards
Great video...could/would you do a short vid about your metal stamp, how to make or puchase. thk's
+Ed Welch MSCdirect .com has the kits; www.mscdirect.com/product/details/00668061
+Keith Fenner Check Amazon, quite a savings on the product.
www.amazon.com/TPFH025-Interchangeable-Complete-Holder-Character/dp/B002UNKIC0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1460774987&sr=8-2&keywords=steel+type+stamp
Keith Fenner Thanks for the info, was kinda hoping for a DIY answer tho..still all good tho...rethanks.
Could you use an ACME thread on it...Would give you more flat area...Just a thought...
Very nice....!!!! Thanks!!
When threading with no relief cut do you use a dial indicator for your stop (you said there was no stop on your lathe)? How do you keep each cut to the nth degree so you don't jam the tool when you are doing the deeper cuts while threading? The camera wasn't showing your movements or the end of the cut. I haven't much experience cutting without a relief while threading so am trying to pick up your cues. Thanks. Doug
+Douglas Thompson I run zeros on the dials and I also use a travel dial on the lathe for the starting location. I have several other videos covering threading as a whole. ;{)-----
I'm wondering that when you are cutting threads on the lathe, how do you aling the cuts on the thread?
Why doesnt the lathe just starts cutting the thread in a different spot from the previous threads?
I hope my question is a bit understandable my englisch isnt the best.
That said keep up the good work!
Greetings from Holland.
hi Keith has this idea been done before or did you have the idea. thanks for the vids
+simon aldridge I worked this idea with the customer that wanted to have another way to remove his bearing. I then took the idea we used and made it available for all. ;{)-----
I wonder if threading the driver tool would help protect the bearing threads while driving it in.
Also wonder if Kitty gets metal slivers in her tongue when cleaning her paws? :{)>
Glad to have you back on my play list.
What is the preferred anti-seize coating for the bearing? Copper stuff or silicone grease? I see the Pepsi cup is back.
+D-ROM Machine Repair llc I assemble dry, nothing to be questioned in causing more electrolysis than need be. ;{)-------
Nice!
Great video Keith! Q. Does the nut go on the inside or outside of the hull? What does it ratchet against? Thanks!
Awesome job, thanks for sharing. :o)
You mentioned that scale builds up between the bearing and the housing I assume this would fill up the threads. Would it not be possible to cut three or four holes in the nut similar to a thread cutting die to allow the scale to be cleaned out of the thread and ejected?
Ray
like your stamp did you make it.
Is it possible to recut/grind a worn chuck scroll to add back the precision?
I saw that you brazed an insert on a boring bar
many times I attempt uncessfully to braze old inserts with easy flo silver brazing to make custom tools, some inserts do the trick bot most won't
are you making a preparation to the insert before brazing?
Does the bearing have enough thickness for a really fine acme thread?
+voron11000 I sure you could shape your tool to make your thread an acme if you choose too. ;{)-----
+Keith Fenner My thinking is you can cut it full profile and still have the flat spot on top, plus it's stronger and is meant for using to pull or push.
Is that a new innovation for marine bearing application to aid in pulling, especially for fiberglass through hole? Or has this technique been around? If so, maybe give some thought to protect your intellectual/mechanical property rights with a patent. While at the "Summer Bash" pick Stan's brain about that, since he just went through the patent process. Cheers.
+Rain Coast Too late - it's public information now...
I would say the threads on the bearing and the draw nut are matched, do you have to make a draw nut for each new bearing?
Would an ACME or buttress type thread work better on an application like that?
What I don't understand is how do you engage the feed while cutting threads? does it land in the beginning of the thread every time, or do you have to time it right?
Any chance of seeing this nut actually removing a bearing in the field?
Sounds like an idea you should patent.
Hi, Keith! Would a *_left handed_* thread make a difference in this? Is there any reason you make them right handed- other than convenience? Thank you!
nice
Beautiful work Can you do this with a breach thread.say hi to shop kitty
I would love to see this used on an actual boat. Cause I have no boat experience and don't really understand how this works.
Everyone needs a shop cat......
JHolland
A stupid question: do you separate the shavings and cut off material by material (Stainless, bronze and so on) and sell it as scrap, or what do you do with it?
+new and old Tech I am a woodworker so my scrap handling is easier. Heating.
How old is the machine your using to cut the threads?
I wonder if Shop Cat has a Maine accent?
Recent studies show that cats do actually pick up tonalities from their hosts' regional accent ;)
Is this an appropriate apostrophe use. I can never tell :(
thumbs up for kitty
He said chuck on our nut.... hehe
No doubt someone will tap a threaded bearing in threads first.
It's 2016.
+lowlypawn Well spotted that man.
Edit: A clue: It's at 32:00