Some of the most fun I've had is recording my guitar and vocals live on one of those crappy casette recorders, right in my home office. I'm a "less is more" kind of a guy. lol
Same! I record my entire band with an eight channel mixer and a cassette recorder I got at goodwill for 35 dollars. You can actually get some incredible sounds on it
I watched this video about a year ago and came back to it again. I’d really like to see how you would achieve a classic punk rock and/or hardcore punk guitar tone. That sort of close mic’d single track sound. What guitars, amps, mic, etc.? That is a video I can’t seem to find on RUclips. You say old punk and you get dudes playing mid nineties pop punk stuff. Lol
I have a jet city 20hv which it's arbitrary gain numbers seem to be 2 is full volume clean, 3 is slight compression maybe a little grit, and 6 is overdrive limit before everything is cooking at all times, but I find I can set the eq all the way down and pick one band I want to overdrive and set that band all the way up and dial the preamp gain so that freq is doing what I want, then add in the other bands and keep them under the overdrive point. So if I wanted a crunchy mid range without the bass overdrivig it might get set at say 4 on the preamp, 3 on the bass, 9(highest number) on the mods and somewhere between 3-6 if I want some sizzle. And I should add, I'll usually set a rough volume I'm after first with the preamp at 2 and dial the power amp to the volume I want, then set drive and compression that way from there. Sorry didn't explain that very well
Would you be able to do a video in the mixing room and show us some pre and post vst's or even pre and post pre amps or rack mount effects? Or something to that effect?
interesting idea about patching the DI signal into the compressor before the amp. I'm confused on how that works however, because I have no way to return signal from my compressor to the amp without cracking open the patch bay. Maybe I'll hook up a misc 1/4" out
SUBSCRIBED! All the infos are spot on! Personally, I wouldn't describe this as minimalist; standard, more like, or at least the place to start. Multi-miking and phase manipulation is for when the regular thing ain't workin'.Only quibble, one thing shown, I no longer do; miking the dustcap. If I'm in that close with a dynamic, I'm usually off axis. Most speakers in most cabs are a little brighter toward the edge of the cone. If I can get the amp to sound great in the room, I'm usually not that close and I'll usually mike the room, as well.
Interesting to me that you say the 20:1 guitar comp is before the signal hits the amp - I would think the compression would be of the mic'd signal?? That would be two completely different sounds. Your chain here is guitar into Tone Beast - Tone Beast into WA76 - out to amp? I have been going guitar straight into amp and compressing the mic's signal before it hits the recorder.Thanks for your great vids by the way.
+Promot Ed Great question. Close...My signal chain is exactly as I have it listed...it's WA76 before the amp, just like the Cali76 pedals that guitarist would have in a pedal board for compressing. Yep, it would give a different sound, as I can control how the amp breaks up and it let's me fine tune the sound. You can still do what you described, which is compress after the mic pre. If you think about it, most guitarist have a comp pedal in their chain, so this sort of thing happens all the time where the guitar is compressed before the amp, and after the mic pre....usually the before-amp compression is just not in rack mount form.
+MadJack122 Yes. I'm sure you knew there was a preamp and a DAW in there too. So it would be Guitar > DI Box > Preamp > Digital Interface > DAW. Then for playback it goes DAW > Digital Interface Line out > WA76 > Reamp Box > Guitar pedals and amp.
+BorisDono Yes for the input chain. (Guitar > DI Box > Preamp > Digital Interface > DAW) No reamp box needed as you said. On playback/reamp I'm sneaking the compressor in just before the reamp box, so it's DAW > Digital Interface Line out > WA76 > Reamp Box > Guitar pedals and amp
I stumbled onto your channel looking for tips on live recording of drums and guitar amps. All of the videos I've watched have been awesome! Do you have any suggestions on good avenues of information about live sound specifically? I love your teaching style and appreciate how well you communicate things that have generally mystified me. Thanks!!!
Live the videos. Thanks for all your info. So with the signal chain, are you plugging the guitar directly to the compressor first? Almost like a pedal?
Well, I would have to convert it to balanced and line level first. So all you need is a DI box and a preamp. The DI box will convert it to balanced (3 wires instead of just the 2 of a guitar cable), and the preamp will boost it to a level that the compressor is expecting to see. From there you are good to go.
one solution to the issue you mentioned of having to re-track guitars because of poor tone is to di and then re-amp. this way if you need to redo something you can use the original di take to save time
creativesoundlab yes, it was only after typing that that i realised you had done a few videos on it... in fact, ironically enough, it may have been you that i learned the technique from in the first place a long(-ish) time ago
Man, could you please do a vid on finding unity gain on the 1176 by warm, how you use both knobs to find it, what -7 from unity translates into in your daw/dbfs with some tips on why unity is important etc. That would be a good one. I bet a lot of folks out there have the wa 1176 and need this info. I have been fiddiling with it recently and ...... could use a video
Yeah, reaching 0 on the +4 output setting should give you about -18 on your input. Keep in mind the meter on the WA76 may not be able to show the peaks because it's slower than a DAW meter. I think I noticed this happening yesterday on the TB12 meter when at unity and thought it was cool to see.
Got my amp sittin off the floor now. That's awesome that you're teaching people what you know for nothing. I'm like that too for the most part. There's a couple thing I've stumbled on to that most people would probably have to go to college to learn MIDI Time synchronization or something that took me decades to figure out. I live in Niotaze Kansas. We don't have much of a thriving music scene or even other people who take any music other than country covers seriously. I like Depeche Mode Pink Floyd NIN Ministry Metallica THE BEATLES!!!! I don't fit in which means I'm right where I belong in the Information Age. Progress a.k.a. ROCK & ROLL must infiltrate & Illuminate The Darkness. I gotta watch all your videos a few more times each before I can do all that though.
Oh shit!]=? I'm on G+ not You Tube!]=? Maybe I should erase that but why? I know people talk sheet on me unless what they say is true in which case it's not sheet is it!(=? So who cares!(=?
U ever been to Burning Man? The Burning Man seems to be the state the art festival. I gotta go someday. Sorry you don't gotta reply I just like to ramble. Every word you say I'm gonna probably reply with 500 so.....,THINK before you speak!(=?
I usually find that committing to sounds makes better music and better engineers. I usually don't go either way with it, because if it's too clean, how would I add in what I didn't set at the amp during tracking? Would love to hear other ideas.
One trick I've used, while I wouldn't recommend it really, is using a multiband saturator vst. I've used the Exciter in Izotope's Ozone 7 to add just a tiny bit more grit via tape saturation simulation, and if you add just a tiny amount toward the upper mids, it can be pretty believable.
What mic do you think will give me the best possible sound for mic ing a Marshall DSL. Right now I'm using a 57, do you think there's any ribbons with a high spl that'd sound better?
Yeah, I think a lot of ribbons will sound better than the 57. Just keep them back a little and point them down. The R121 by Royer is a popular one, but I've used my R88 a lot of loud stuff and it takes it fine. The Rode NTR will need to be padded.
love the presentation stuff (the style of shooting etc) but that graph business was a bit of a waste - all you were saying was 'louder= better' ... there are quicker ways to say that ...
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I'm so glad I discovered this channel. Excellent cinematography as well. Great work!
Thanks so much for saying that!
Creative Sound Lab one thing I really curious about is gain staging, since I'm kinda new to recording. do you have any videos on this?
I second this. Love it. Reminds me of a classic PBS show. Recording Engineer Bob Ross. Thank you!
Another one bites the dust. Great video. You get into so much detail compared to the usual RUclips stuff, it's welcome.
OK, so the shot of the handle vibrating was AWESOME!!
is he really good at writing backwards? or does he just flip the video?
+Lee Thomas I flip the video
He is really good at fliping the video
Lee Thomas I thought it was a mirror
@@Amigaudio its rude to flip .
Makes video called “minimalist approach”
Proceeds to start graphing guitar tones
Some of the most fun I've had is recording my guitar and vocals live on one of those crappy casette recorders, right in my home office. I'm a "less is more" kind of a guy. lol
Yes, totally. The largest sounds can be the most simple.
+raleighman3000
What model is that cassette recorder? I need to get one.
Same! I record my entire band with an eight channel mixer and a cassette recorder I got at goodwill for 35 dollars. You can actually get some incredible sounds on it
i totally love that falling in on itself tone
+MikleShnikle I really dig it too.
that gresch is a beautiful amp \m/
+Kayla “Kurisu” Deards Thanks!
What if most of these sound really bad to my ear? Is that really how the guitar sounds before mixing with other instruments?
Love what youre doing man, right down to the video production style! So well done,Thanks!
+Eric Davidson Thank you, I work hard at these videos. Thanks for the kind words!
So you had to write backward on the plexi in order for us to see it normal lol ? great clip, great channel, lot to learn !!
Horizontal Flip, or AKA mirror image.
my gosh you are a freaking genius teacher, I'm new 2 guitar but 30 years teaching, you freaking rule Sir!!!!!
Thank you for this video. It was nice to hear the Warm Audio in action. You have that release and attack set pretty well for the riff
Your videos are very instructive and your gear is mouth wattering : )
I love this channel and the content you provide. Excellent educational content. I'm glad you are doing this. Cheers
I watched this video about a year ago and came back to it again. I’d really like to see how you would achieve a classic punk rock and/or hardcore punk guitar tone. That sort of close mic’d single track sound. What guitars, amps, mic, etc.? That is a video I can’t seem to find on RUclips. You say old punk and you get dudes playing mid nineties pop punk stuff. Lol
Great video and technique. But now I have one more mic to buy. Loved that SM7B.
+um gajo perdido Yeah, I was a late comer to the SM7b but I really have been pleased with it.
I have a jet city 20hv which it's arbitrary gain numbers seem to be 2 is full volume clean, 3 is slight compression maybe a little grit, and 6 is overdrive limit before everything is cooking at all times, but I find I can set the eq all the way down and pick one band I want to overdrive and set that band all the way up and dial the preamp gain so that freq is doing what I want, then add in the other bands and keep them under the overdrive point. So if I wanted a crunchy mid range without the bass overdrivig it might get set at say 4 on the preamp, 3 on the bass, 9(highest number) on the mods and somewhere between 3-6 if I want some sizzle. And I should add, I'll usually set a rough volume I'm after first with the preamp at 2 and dial the power amp to the volume I want, then set drive and compression that way from there. Sorry didn't explain that very well
I just picked up a 20h, and this is exactly the kind of info I've been looking for! Thanks for sharing your process.
This is a really great video. Best I have seen on the subject. Thanks for the great content! keep it up.
Thanks Edgar!
I would say the gain/tone variation is logarithmic, not at all lineal
Great videos! Could you please tell what monitors do you mainly use?
whoa! Sweet desk. What is that?
Keep on killing it w/the videos. Huge help. When a week comes w/o out, it's sad times.
+thecrashharder01 Thanks for such a nice complement. Yeah, it's a desk my dad built. He's a woodworker in his spare time.
Awesome... Thanks!
Would you be able to do a video in the mixing room and show us some pre and post vst's or even pre and post pre amps or rack mount effects? Or something to that effect?
Yeah, I've done stuff similar to that. I can do more.
that would be so cool! I love hearing that side of the mixing experience, there's so much opportunity to learn :D thanks for the reply!
I love this channel man! keep it up!
GREAT VIDS DUDE! MUCH APPRECIATED!
Thanks!
Dude!!!! Great channel! I am impressed!
awesome
+MikleShnikle Thanks!
Really good video
interesting idea about patching the DI signal into the compressor before the amp. I'm confused on how that works however, because I have no way to return signal from my compressor to the amp without cracking open the patch bay. Maybe I'll hook up a misc 1/4" out
nice trick with the comp pre amp - does that mess with the impedance load though?? kinda sounds like it... but I like how the drive never changes
SUBSCRIBED! All the infos are spot on! Personally, I wouldn't describe this as minimalist; standard, more like, or at least the place to start. Multi-miking and phase manipulation is for when the regular thing ain't workin'.Only quibble, one thing shown, I no longer do; miking the dustcap. If I'm in that close with a dynamic, I'm usually off axis. Most speakers in most cabs are a little brighter toward the edge of the cone. If I can get the amp to sound great in the room, I'm usually not that close and I'll usually mike the room, as well.
i subscribed after the teaser and I'm a tough audience props!!!
Great video! Whats the music going on at the soundtrack?
Interesting to me that you say the 20:1 guitar comp is before the signal hits the amp - I would think the compression would be of the mic'd signal?? That would be two completely different sounds. Your chain here is guitar into Tone Beast - Tone Beast into WA76 - out to amp? I have been going guitar straight into amp and compressing the mic's signal before it hits the recorder.Thanks for your great vids by the way.
+Promot Ed Great question. Close...My signal chain is exactly as I have it listed...it's WA76 before the amp, just like the Cali76 pedals that guitarist would have in a pedal board for compressing. Yep, it would give a different sound, as I can control how the amp breaks up and it let's me fine tune the sound. You can still do what you described, which is compress after the mic pre. If you think about it, most guitarist have a comp pedal in their chain, so this sort of thing happens all the time where the guitar is compressed before the amp, and after the mic pre....usually the before-amp compression is just not in rack mount form.
+creativesoundlab Is the chain this:
Guitar > DI Box > WA76 > ReAmp Box > Amp?
+MadJack122 Yes. I'm sure you knew there was a preamp and a DAW in there too. So it would be Guitar > DI Box > Preamp > Digital Interface > DAW. Then for playback it goes DAW > Digital Interface Line out > WA76 > Reamp Box > Guitar pedals and amp.
+BorisDono Yes for the input chain. (Guitar > DI Box > Preamp > Digital Interface > DAW) No reamp box needed as you said. On playback/reamp I'm sneaking the compressor in just before the reamp box, so it's DAW > Digital Interface Line out > WA76 > Reamp Box > Guitar pedals and amp
+BorisDono Yeah, no worries. I had to read it a couple times to figure out what you both were saying
Great video, great calidad!.
Thanks!
I agree with every part. I always run a DI (extra) from guitar to get a dry signal that can be fucked with at will.
Great stuff dude, and great setup. Would you upload a studio tour? It looks great!
Cool vids, dude... Thanks!
+JulianFernandez Thanks, glad they were a help!
Did you use re-amping to make these tests? Nice video! Subscribed
I stumbled onto your channel looking for tips on live recording of drums and guitar amps. All of the videos I've watched have been awesome! Do you have any suggestions on good avenues of information about live sound specifically? I love your teaching style and appreciate how well you communicate things that have generally mystified me. Thanks!!!
Live sound....yes. Dave Rat. Best stuff I've heard.
Do you ever mic the amp in such a way to get more of the cabinet resonance or does that usually come through pretty well already with the close mic?
So would the signal path for re-amping be 1176 - re amp box - mic/amp - pre amp - daw?
Yeah anything line level is before the ramp box, then the guitar signal stuff, then the mic and into a preamp, then interface, then DAW.
I really love your Videos. Very inspiring. I failed to do a good git-recording so i need to reamp. realy wanna get it done this time
Live the videos. Thanks for all your info. So with the signal chain, are you plugging the guitar directly to the compressor first? Almost like a pedal?
Well, I would have to convert it to balanced and line level first. So all you need is a DI box and a preamp. The DI box will convert it to balanced (3 wires instead of just the 2 of a guitar cable), and the preamp will boost it to a level that the compressor is expecting to see. From there you are good to go.
one solution to the issue you mentioned of having to re-track guitars because of poor tone is to di and then re-amp. this way if you need to redo something you can use the original di take to save time
+SamBrev Yes, a large portion of the guitar related videos are about reamping. Reamping is great.
creativesoundlab yes, it was only after typing that that i realised you had done a few videos on it...
in fact, ironically enough, it may have been you that i learned the technique from in the first place a long(-ish) time ago
is a reamp box ( e.g. radial reamp ) critical to do this
Man, could you please do a vid on finding unity gain on the 1176 by warm, how you use both knobs to find it, what -7 from unity translates into in your daw/dbfs with some tips on why unity is important etc. That would be a good one. I bet a lot of folks out there have the wa 1176 and need this info. I have been fiddiling with it recently and ...... could use a video
Yeah, reaching 0 on the +4 output setting should give you about -18 on your input. Keep in mind the meter on the WA76 may not be able to show the peaks because it's slower than a DAW meter. I think I noticed this happening yesterday on the TB12 meter when at unity and thought it was cool to see.
THANKS!!!
+Wyatt Matta Right on man!
Got my amp sittin off the floor now. That's awesome that you're teaching people what you know for nothing. I'm like that too for the most part. There's a couple thing I've stumbled on to that most people would probably have to go to college to learn MIDI Time synchronization or something that took me decades to figure out. I live in Niotaze Kansas. We don't have much of a thriving music scene or even other people who take any music other than country covers seriously. I like Depeche Mode Pink Floyd NIN Ministry Metallica THE BEATLES!!!! I don't fit in which means I'm right where I belong in the Information Age. Progress a.k.a. ROCK & ROLL must infiltrate & Illuminate The Darkness. I gotta watch all your videos a few more times each before I can do all that though.
Oh shit!]=? I'm on G+ not You Tube!]=? Maybe I should erase that but why? I know people talk sheet on me unless what they say is true in which case it's not sheet is it!(=? So who cares!(=?
U ever been to Burning Man? The Burning Man seems to be the state the art festival. I gotta go someday. Sorry you don't gotta reply I just like to ramble. Every word you say I'm gonna probably reply with 500 so.....,THINK before you speak!(=?
+Wyatt Matta Nope never been.
what app your are using for recording?
Im impressed he can write everything backwards without even thinking
Thanks!
You can always add more distortion afterwards. Always. But you can not make a clean tone out of a distorted one
I usually find that committing to sounds makes better music and better engineers. I usually don't go either way with it, because if it's too clean, how would I add in what I didn't set at the amp during tracking? Would love to hear other ideas.
Andrew Lawson that's why it's always good to record a backup D.I. for reamping.
i'm confused, arent you reamping it for this video? seems like a solution right there.
One trick I've used, while I wouldn't recommend it really, is using a multiband saturator vst.
I've used the Exciter in Izotope's Ozone 7 to add just a tiny bit more grit via tape saturation simulation, and if you add just a tiny amount toward the upper mids, it can be pretty believable.
Always take a DI. You can always erase it.
What mic do you think will give me the best possible sound for mic ing a Marshall DSL. Right now I'm using a 57, do you think there's any ribbons with a high spl that'd sound better?
Also how do the sm7b compare to a 57? Thanks in advance.
Yeah, I think a lot of ribbons will sound better than the 57. Just keep them back a little and point them down. The R121 by Royer is a popular one, but I've used my R88 a lot of loud stuff and it takes it fine. The Rode NTR will need to be padded.
the sm7b is just better in a lot of ways. It's like the mic that the 57 wanted to be. An older, and wiser self.
Cool, maybe I'll make the sm7b my next step up as its more affordable than ribbons. Thanks.
I suscribe this channel :)
Hey man thanks! Glad you are here!
Creative Sound Lab I subbed too, you're alright man ;) your videos are super informative and helping me out big time.
thanks a whole lot!
didnt know you could use a sm7b to mic an amp , sweet :) im a new sub , great vids man
Spider ?!
reminds me of calculus
you can just re-amp to switch settings while mixing.. problem solved...
fuck yeah music man amp
Drawing in the dark... Hmm. Helpful.
everything on 10..make those tubes bleed, baby..
Hashtag Reamping
love the presentation stuff (the style of shooting etc) but that graph business was a bit of a waste - all you were saying was 'louder= better' ... there are quicker ways to say that ...
antigen4 that's not at all what he was saying. Different amounts of gain have different tones, not "better". It depends on what you want
Those numbers aren’t arbitrary if your talking about a Marshall
i just heard a lot of bs
+RorysIrishTour This is my technique. And it works for me. Who's to say otherwise?
no one, its just a statement. a lot of people get their work done with false premises.
+RorysIrishTour This is why I demo everything to prove or disprove the concept. It's a lab.
Stuff is genius. Negativity is bs.
Don't feed the trolls, man.