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I didn’t even consider a used model S before this video. A few of my friends have the model Y and 3. They all gave mixed reviews. The tech is cool, build quality has some issues but overall they all like there choices. For me what stood out the most was the basic aesthetics of the interior of the 3 and Y. Both of these models were not impressive at all. It was seats, steering wheel and a screen. I was like, that’s it, how much was this car??? For that amount of money I would expect more luxuries. It looks like the model S is the way to go.
Me too. 70k miles 75D with EAP and dealer warranty 32k, premium connectivity and multipattern seats that a tually breathe. 6 months ago. Screw Model 3, MS is so much better looking and rides better. Air suspension FTW.
I appreciate you sharing this because I was stuck looking at which model 3 to get and couldn’t decide especially when it comes primarily with the battery type & range but NEVER looked into the Model S until now and didn’t know the 2017 models got the option of free super charging.
Just brought a model 3 LR 2020. Was considering the model S option but I really wanted the extra range over the visual aesthetic. I love the design of the S though. Great vid.
Good purchase, that free supercharging comes in clutch. With the recent depreciation on the used Tesla market, the model S plaids are about 50% off. I remember seeing them brand new for $140,000 and now you can pick one up with about 20,000 miles on it for $70,000. That is a lot of performance for a car in that price range.
Model 3 may be slightly smaller, but I would take a newer battery over anything else considering its the battery thats the most critical+expensive component in these cars. Nice review!!
Wish Tesla offered certified used older models for lease or fore sale with a longer bumper to bumper extended warranty since the current ones are pretty short. I mean there's almost nothing that can go wrong with them and barely any maintenance since they are so simple compared to a pure ICE car. I would definitely pick up an X or S if that were the case.
Good review. I’ve been considering a model 3 or s. I think the battery life / warranty is the biggest differential and it would have been nice to hear you touch base on that.
I heard about some Tesla Model S that hit 1 million miles but had the 4th battery inside them already. So yeah, the battery won't last forever. But compared to the service costs you have with a gasoline car the cost is rather less.
@@JackoBanon1 Yes, Ryan Shaw made a video about the million mile tesla. I think it had 4 motor replacements but only 2 batteries or something like that. Pretty impressive!
I've been thinking of the same comparison. An older model S or a new model 3? After much thought I figured the new model 3 because it would be under full warranty which probably makes it a much better deal. The repairs on Teslas are very expensive and the older model S has nothing covered or won't have coverage for very long. They are notorious for many parts failing. The motors, the battery, the door handles, the suspension, etc. I love the way the model S looks but apparently the older ones aren't built very well compared to the newer Model Y and 3. If you add up the free super charging over the next 10 years VS. all the repairs you'll be doing I don't think you're saving anything and you'll have a lot of headaches. I'd probably buy the GM Silverado EV before I buy a Model 3. I like the functionality of it. It's basically a mobile power station which is something no Tesla can do. Teslas are cool but all they do is get you from point A to point B.
@@DrewsReviews2023 Cool, thanks. Will be looking forward to the repair costs. And can you let us know the insurance cost difference between a new 2023 model 3 and your older model S?
One other point to consider. Slow charging saves your battery, so even though you have free super charging, you should still do most of your charging at home. If you're driving less than 40 miles a day, I would even consider charging daily at 110v (7kw). Here in Florida, FPL will give you one of their chargers and you can charge your car unlimited overnight for just $31.00 a month, practically free. Even if they have to install a 220v outlet, it's only 7 bucks a month more, nothing up front.
Good note, I am actually discussing this in the next two videos when I go over my electric cost. I also live in Florida and have that option for the flat fee, but I don’t tap into it.
@@DrewsReviews2023 I have a neighbor with a Tesla, she says her bill only went up around $30 bucks a month so no reason for it. Me? I drive between 200-300 miles a day so it's a no brainer for me.
While we've all been told that slow charging is better for the battery, Tesla themselves just recently came out with an extensive study showing that there's no difference in battery degradation between level 2 and level 3 charging stations. Now, were they only testing LFP batteries? Because I actually find their results surprising. Anyway, just wanted to mention that.
How many Kwh do you use a month for charging? I'm not sure you come out ahead at $31/month at normal retail electricity prices (far less than inflated commercial charging prices). Tesla also has an adapter you can just use for trickle charging it.
Exactly why I just bought my 2017 Model S P100D with 80k miles. Got it for $33,900 but about $42,000 after taxes, 3yr warranty and other bs. I love it so far. Great video, thanks.
Awesome! I wasn’t thinking of a used model s. Just been looking at the model 3s. The model 3 highlander looks nice. Also the battery warranty on the new car being 8 years or 120k miles sounds nice. But man the model S looks better.
Glad I could help you consider other options. The Highlander does look good I agree, but I still prefer the s. I have a video on an extended warranty that may be helpful for you too. It will extend the Tesla warranty by 3 years.
IMO the problem with this is that regardless of the mileage, you bought a car with 7 year old batteries in it. Batteries don't just degrade with mileage and charge cycles, they also age with time. If you instead bought a 4-6 year newer model 3, you would get a newer battery pack that, assuming equal usage, should survive 4-6 years longer, perhaps even more due to battery manufacturing improvements.
Solid point. That is absolutely a possible outcome however Tesla has been around long enough to have a strong degree of certainty that battery failures are rare. In addition to total failures being rare Tesla put out a study that even after 200,000 miles of usage the battery degregation is just 12%. This is why you hear so many stories of teslas with 200,000 miles and even recently there is a Tesla with 1 million miles. For me I am less focused on that as I only intend to keep this car for a few years and then on to the next toy. I doubt I will even see 120,000 miles. Either way good point and I appreciate the thoughts.
And they are OLD tech batteries. Newer batteries are less likely to fail. And if you move to LFP batteries, they will last at LEAST 3x longer than NCM / NCA batteries typical seen in the Model S. If the battery fails on an old especially pre-2016 models (before facelift) you gonna pay a lot. After 2016 the battery quality in the Model S is fastly improved. But yeah i get it, the Model S is a lot nicer than the 3. And just drives better. :) But i do believe that the total cost of ownership for the Model 3 and Y with LFP battery is the lowest of all. In the end you gonna pay for that luxury of the Model S which could include a new battery.
I have a September 2017 MS 75 RWD, CCS enabled with FSD HW 3.0, MCU2. You forgot to mention that besides free super charging they also came with free premium connectivity. My battery has only degraded 6 miles.
@@DrewsReviews2023 i actually noticed it 1 day when i saw 1 drove pass me. u can even check the website and scroll through the images to the one where the back of the car is showing and u will see it
Nice video and nice looking S. I did not know they did the new bumper without the side cameras for the 2016 models. I got a 2015 and went through the same decision process. The plain interior and smaller size was a deal breaker for my wife. Love the classic styling on the S. Charging has been slowed down for these older cars but that doesn't bother us for the way we are using the car. And I say the same thing, free supercharging is a BIG DEAL when it comes to road trips. We pay nothing! The huge hatch space in the rear is actually wider and longer than my Mercedes ML350 SUV. I was able to carry 4 full Model S wheels with tires in the car with the hatch closed. I couldn't do that in my truck. So it really has the utility of a small SUV. The biggest risk is when the battery goes out of warranty and you have a failure. Pretty expensive but there are places like 057 that will give you an aftermarket warranty and I believe there will be aftermarket offerings that will come down in price eventually. I actually want to buy a 2nd Model S.
@@bonbooty6611 That is still up for debate. Some say those repairs don't last long but I agree that it's theoretically possible to do. I think it's just a matter of knowing how to do it properly. There are a few issues to overcome like balancing the new cells with the old ones to avoid imbalances, not upsetting the connections, and not allowing moisture to enter after repair.
I know this is 8 months later but if you ever get the chance to answer this that would be sick. Do you actually get free supercharging? if so how do you know what tesla model S's do get it or not?
What a nice informative video. Would love to get a used model X but those seem above and beyond my budget. Yet this is so useful for folks who want a sedan to get a model S over a 3. Model S seems like so much more of a car then model 3.
Very curious what you guys think, I bought my wife a brand new model Y 2023 and I’m so in love with it, but that’s all we really need for our family, I was using my commute to work with Smart Car only because I sit in about two hours of traffic at least a day and was tired of idling gas and not being able to park, I work in New York City and live in Long Island… anyway from legitimately falling asleep during traffic over the years, I’ve had one bad accident accident and a couple near straight death misses and I’m just so spoiled with the full self driving so I was considering just getting it used for my work commute it’s not a lot of miles each way, about 25 miles each way, think it’s worth it?
Just depends on how cheap you are looking to go. I would think anything 15k or less would be too old to have FSD. But if you are willing to spend 25k then seems like a fair plan.
Thanks man! I rented a 2015 on turo when I was thinking about buying a Tesla and that is what got me hooked! Thanks for watching. Excited to make more vids.
Thanks for the video. Debating on trading my Genesis G80 for a Tesla. The only worry I have is range anxiety but the lack of maintenance necessary is appealing.
I love my model S way better than a 3. I'm 6'7 and the S has way more leg room, I love having 2 modules instead of just the one screen in the model 3. I really like the portrait setup as opposed to the landscape one in the model 3 and the fact that it's built into the dash instead of looking like someone bolted an iPad to my dash 🤣. I also prefer the look of the S. Model 3's are everywhere here in Cali so the S stands out way more than the 3 or Y and the S has a lot more room/cargo space than the 3..
For some reason I like the portrait setup too. It just feels more integrated. The new ones are still very cool though. Especially with the yoke steering wheel.
All valid opinions, the only one I disagree with is the portrait mode, landscape is more versatile. If you want to watch TV in your car landscape is far superior.
@@DrewsReviews2023 The portrait screen is actually safer because looking at a landscape screen while driving takes your eyes further away from the road and limits what your peripheral vision can see. I would like the yoke also if the horn wasn't a little button you had to press. Seems a bit unsafe to me in an emergency with only a split second to use it especially if turning.
Thank you! I have had a MY for 3 years now. I came from a Lexus and I cant get past the bumpy and creaky ride - My daughter is getting her license and was going to buy her a used 3....but with the MS prices right now, I will give her mine and get an S. I saw so many videos complaining on how slow the charging is! but this clears it up
@@gust9464 I know it's a Tesla video. I just hate when people try to abbreviate everything because they're too lazy to type. I'm sure you write Model S as "MS" also.
The free charge originally applied to Tesla S that were ordered until January 15, 2017. but Tesla has sent out an offer that the free charge can be transferred to a new Tesla and it is about Tesla S about Tesla X and Tesla y . But it will only apply as long as you own the new car. Unfortunately, you must collect the new car no later than the last day of this year
Great video thank you this is very timely as we are looking at a 2017 s 75d right now with FSD. How can I tell if it qualifies for free supercharging? Is there something on the display indicating this ?
The easiest way I was able to figure out was click on the charging tab in the center display. It will show what the last charging session cost. If it’s anything other than 0 it should have free supercharging. Keep in mind towards the end of 2017 they stopped allowing the supercharging to transfer. When the dealer is given control of the tesla(which they should have) they can login to their Tesla app and select the specs and warranty tab at the bottom of the app. It will clearly list free unlimited supercharging if so.
I agree. I love my 2015 P85D. I just recently test drove the new Model 3 and S and I like my older S better (after putting significant work into it). The S is a much better car.
Thanks for the kind words. Fortunately I don’t plan to keep the car past about 130,000 miles. I plan to keep it for a few years. I will be sure to update if anything breaks.
Proud owner of a red 2014 P85+ with 151,349 miles with a front bumper refresh, infotainment upgrade, and chrome delete. As mentioned in the video, nearly indistinguishable from a 2020/21 model unless one knows what minor differences to look for. Our app’s charge stats show we Supercharged 95% of the past 12 months, with 4% at other, and 1% home. (we live just a couple miles from a Supercharging station, so we take advantage of free charging more often as a result). While many might connect that Supercharging so frequently may degrade the battery faster, our S still has 90% of its original capacity, which coincidentally is about the max range of a brand new 75kWh Model S. Knowing that most Tesla’s lose about 10% of their capacity initially in the first 50-75k miles before stabilizing and retaining about 90% until about 180-200k, I recommend buying an 85kWh instead of a 75kWh S when available in the same price range when buying used, to compensate for expected degradation that will naturally occur anyways. It’s important to mention that the miles remaining displayed can be set to either “ideal” or “rated”. I recommend selecting rated to get a far more accurate understanding of remaining capacity when buying used. One could charge to 100% to verify, but is simple to select % in settings, note the rated range, and extrapolate what the rated range would be at 100%. ie. The rated miles for my car at 50% shows 119 miles remaining, double that for 238 miles. I then compare that range to the EPA rated range for that year/model’s capacity. In my case 265 miles was the EPA rated range when new, so 238 reflects a 10% degradation, which is in line with the majority of other used Tesla’s with similar miles driven. Just to be sure, I charged it to 100%, and sure enough, 238 rated miles were displayed. Again, be sure to select rated, not ideal, as that shows a higher range if driven in ideal conditions, but unhelpful when determining present battery degradation. For some, the 10-12% difference in range between a 75 or 85 kWh isn’t a factor as they may not be driving more than 200 miles between charges anyways. Though, having more capacity never hurts and takes a little less time to charge to the same range due to charge curve advantages. I share this as I find many people shying away from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 models due to usually having higher miles, but as long as they are of the 85kWh variety (the highest available at the time), most should still have more than sufficient range for most drivers. All said, there are certain advantages of Model 3’s, some of which mentioned in the video. I for one, prefer a used Model S for a similar or often a lower price, and bought our low mileage 3.5 year old Performance S for just $41,500 +ttl after applicable rebates. And being a “+” model, it came with practically every option available at the time: • air suspension • premium sound • power lift gate • Performance suspension • 21” staggered wheels • carbon fiber package • carbon fiber spoiler • red brembo brake calipers • panoramic sunroof roof • Napa leather • dual 40A onboard chargers • premium lighting • aluminum pedals • removable roof rack • front trunk luggage • Performance inverter • tire inflation repair kit and as a bonus came with stop valid HOV lane stickers. .. but most importantly, unlimited lifetime Supercharging, which saves us the equivalent of $4911 a year in gas alone according to our app, based on 16,660 miles driven annually and kWh added for free. Multiply that by 9 years, and that equates to $44,191 saved.. more than we paid for the car. Yes, the car has already paid for itself in what was not spent on gas alone in a similar petrol vehicle for the same miles driven. Of course, for those with ample solar panels on their roof and battery storage, charging at home may very well be quite inexpensive as well. I think that the 2012-early 2016 models that have unlimited supercharging grandfathered are sometimes overlooked for their sheer value mostly because of an easily replaceable nosecone, age, or mileage, but given that they are visually nearly indistinguishable from a recent build (especially after a front bumper refresh), get free OTA updates (which add most of the new features of current models, minus autopilot/FSD), and have the option for an infotainment upgrade for a faster CPU and higher res front screen, and a chrome delete is rather simple, it’s not hard to own a Model S that looks and performs so similarly to a new one, or at least to the non-Tesla enthusiast. It’s hard *not* to consider one, especially at half to one third the price of new.. and about the same as a Model 3.
Wonderfully written and well said. I appreciate you taking the time to add such color to the conversation. The updated front nose cone is game changer on those models! Looks so good!
@@DrewsReviews2023 been looking into it more, looks like if the car ever ended up back at the dealership for resale then they would take it off... Ah well
Understandable concern. The research supports the vast majority of batteries lasting 200-300k miles. But everyone has to do what is best for them. I will be making a video to share a deeper dive on what older teslas can and can’t do vs a newer one. That comparison may also be helpful.
can you talk more about what the extended warranty part looks like? buying a used older model S and X can be great options if one does not have to worry about the warranty on the expensive parts of these.
I see what you’re saying but as a 2013 Model S owner just because you buy a Model S for 30k doesn’t mean it comes with your normal/average $30k car maintenance. Sticker price of mine was $95k and I can tell when it comes to maintenance. Despite buying it for $30k/50k miles one owner, I spent over $20k first 3 years of owning. Broken control arms, wheel fell off, full air suspension work, door handle stuck, 12v battery replaced, infotainment upgrade, tires, etc
Sorry to hear you had those challenges. I believe there is data that shows 2015 and older were more prone to those issues due to being some of the first models. That said, buying used regardless of model will always have these possibilities. Thanks for the comment I think it’s a valid point/ topic to insert.
You forgot to mention a MASSIVE Pro for the Model S over the Model 3, the Adaptive Air Suspension. Not only is the suspension in the Model S more smooth but it can remember the location where you needed more ground clearance and automatically adjust the height for you.
This is a horrible video.. The 75D doesnt come anywhere close to my performance 3. It doesnt have the features, functionality, or the tech🤦🏽♂️ He bought the cheapest model S thinking it was better than the 3 or Y 🤦🏽♂️ and lets not even talk about the range hes getting 🤦🏽♂️ L video
Thanks for the comment. I didn’t personally want a model 3 because they are a bit smaller than what I wanted. The model 3 is an awesome car. The performance model is even more fun! I’m so excited for you that you could afford the performance model 3. I love the rims on those. I have driven them all, but for me the model s is my favorite.
@@jvausa Socially awkward much? I am not a yes man, I am a tesla owner and the OP is giving bad advice. These are tech vehicles and he is telling people to take less tech for a prestige or look... if you want more room, you dont go for an S, you go for a Y or X, thats what theyre built for. The space difference in the S compared to the 3 is negligible at most, they wider on the outside than the inside.
I was one of those years ago saying I’m buying a Tesla S when it came out. I test drove two but couldn’t part with that much cash, having only bought second hand cars in the past, usually at 15k miles or so. However, after 6 years with my very good Mercedes 220d AMG estate I’m now looking at early Model S cars with 100k miles that look fab. I’m going to double up for a while and run both.
@prsbm the 2016 models transfer for the life of the car in all instances I have seen. In 2017 is when I believe they started to phase out to non transferable
A couple of months ago, I purchased a Pre-ap model s, p85, for 24k. First thing I did was purchase comma 3 & additional connectors from Tinkla, about $1.6k. This gave me full longitudinal, lateral autopilot. Then, last month I purchased the front fashcia refresh (2k) to give me the new model S front bumper. Now effectively my car operates more similarly to the new model S. Ie: fsd “like” autopilot, traffic visualization on instrument cluster via the tinkla buddy (I’m on MCU2). And I have free supercharging. Current battery degradation is a little over 10% and I get roughly 240 miles of range per full charge. (I have lead battery that I believe you can charge to 100% without degrading the battery quicker.) Will have bumper installed by next month hopefully.
I was not familiar with Comma 3 - I have some googling to do it sounds interesting. That bumper is going to look great. Congrats on the Tesla and thanks for adding to the conversation. Good insight for those considering.
@@rickgauden Car is doing amazing. Honestly, the only negative I have is that my rear passenger door handle has failed. Outside of that, no complaints.
As someone who is looking to possibly sell my 2014 Focus ST for an AWD Model 3 or Model Y, your comment about the firm seat might be the reason I go with a used Model S instead. I LOVE the full leather bucket-style seats in my ST3. Ideally I wish I could just take my ST (or preferably the RS), replace the engine and drivetrain with a Tesla battery and motors, and I'd be the happiest dude alive. lol
Ha that would be sick! I would suggest renting one on turo in your area. I rented a Tesla model s, y and 3 before making my purchase decision. Some will rent for as little as 100 bucks a day.
Do not listen to this man, if you drive a focus st (I also have my cobalt SS turbo along with my performance 3) I HIGHLY recommend that you do not take this mans advice and get a performance 3. They have a huge aftermarket community and if you like modding your car, you cannot do much to the S.. on top of this, the older S charge slower, have less features, and the build quality is terrible on them. Trust me, get a performance 3 and you will not be disappointed… even if you get a 2018, you can upgrade the computer to hardware 3.0 and get all of the FSD features.. you cannot do this to a model S. You cant even get aftermarket tail lights for the model S..
I've driven a P85D & P90D for work and have plenty of seat time behind the Model 3 and Y. I prefer model 3 the most, and like the model s the least. The model S is big and boaty feeling. It doesn't feel sporty and agile (no surprise since it weighs 5000 lbs). The air suspension is nice, and you can raise the vehicle to clear certain road conditions. Also, the technology and interior styling in model S is outdated (been the same since 2012) unless it's the newer 2021+ refresh models.
In mine there is clearly a tiny of some sort along the top and it does likely get warmer than a car without a glass top but the ac is great and I don’t personally feel the heat from it.
I love my 2018 MS 75D but the only issue Inhave with it is the range and charging time. Which isn’t a huge deal unless I go on road trips and it’s even harder with a 2 year old but other than that… best car I’ve ever owned at 7 months later. I’m still excited to get into the car every time 😊
Great video, thanks..1 question..from what you have heard approx. how many miles can you expect out of the battery? Are these made to go over 200K miles or??
I'd love to see a second part on this regarding the MCU upgrade, FSD, and costs associated with them. Whether that be already on the vehicle, and what we should pay if it is, or if we can add them post purchase. Also, what warranties or extended warranty might be available. The used Tesla is a bit of a confusing purchase for those of us that haven't owned one. I'm looking at replacing my '18 Mustang GT with a model S. It's the fun third car, but I need a runaround kid hauler...that's still fun.
Thanks for the feedback. This is in a lineup of about 10 videos i am making. I do think those are important aspects to talk about. I would make it all in one video but I know it’s easy to get lost spending 6-10 minutes on each topic. Those GTs are beautiful cars.
It's a $2500 to go from MCU1 to MCU2, and change out an AP2.5 to HW3.0 FSD. That price includes labor. Then it's $200 for standard FSD which isn't really. It's a package of navigate on autopilot. This being 100% self driving from FWY entrance to exit...no surface streets. Only the FSD beta offers Complete FSD. Which requires an upgrade of the cameras to being color, and a camera installed on the rear view mirror that observes the driver. That fee $750 installed... so to go from an AP 2.5 to legit full self driving is $3250
I would highly advise against any Tesla pre 2019, if you look at Tesla from a business perspective this is right after they first became profitable. Not saying Tesla's weren't great before but the all around quality and improvements each year are better and better. A used 2019 model 3 with FSD is the best bang for the buck IMO. Great video
This video hits all the pointers I have thinking about. Interested in a secondhand Tesla and prefer the Model S than the Model 3 because of the long wheel base, sleeker looks, and the big infotainment layout. The only drawback is the outside cameras being not available but really leaning towards the older Model S. Thanks for sharing and will follow you.
Great video. I’m considering the two myself and my heart says Model S because it’s so beautiful. But I’m worried about its reliability vs the 3. Have you had any issues with yours?
Minor issues. I will likely make a video on the items I have gone to the service center for. When I bought the car the back left door handle went out but this was something the dealership covered. It was $140 repair at the service center. The only other issue I had was when I upgraded the mcu it ended up causing an airbag light issue and it caused a steering wheel volume control issue. Both fixed free of charge. The warranty even for a 2016 for motor and battery goes until September of 2024. So 8 years from build.
We have a 2015 S 85D. With 65k miles it has less than 5% battery degradation. It still drives like new. Recently upgraded the MCU and displays for $1400 and it made a huge difference and added a bunch of new features; to an 8 year old car. Free telematics, free supercharging. Couldn't be happier with it.
I don't think you are sloshing from experience. I have a 2017 models s and I think it's holding up WAY better than if I had gone for a newer 3. Plus, fsd changes your life if you commute.
I bought a new Model 3 for just a little more than that Model S. The biggest selling point for me was the Lithium-Iron Phosphate battery and the full warranty. Those for me, were huge.
@@DrewsReviews2023 The quality. New paint chips every other day. New scratches every time it gets washed. Bad panel gaps. Backwards for handles that you need fingers and thumb to open. If you have anything in your hand, out it down. Sit that coffee on the glass roof and now you have to clean off a ring, or suffer scratching around the door handle area. Backwards navigation screen. Maps are on THE WRONG SIDE. Voice input only works when there's total silence. Bad insulation. You can hear EVERYTHING outside. Sounds like Windows are always cracked open. I can't maneuver the vehicle without the car tearing me like a kid, reminding me that my seatbelt isn't on by throwing a hissy fit. Can't move it with the drunk/trunk open without it constantly reminding you that to have no control of your vehicle. Maps will put you in the far right lane in a quarter mile when you should be in the far left... I can't quickly adjust my mirrors to shine the light back in their face when the asshole behind me had his brightness on... Phantom braking... Almost killed us... When I do use the voice input, instead of turning navigation volume to level 5, it turns out off.. that stupid animation that takes 4 seconds to stop reading you every time you slightly miss the drink or trunk... I would gladly pay a $15k premium on the Ionic 5/6 over this crap. Just from the first time I grabbed the PERFECTLY DESIGNED for handle of the Ionic 6, I knew it was far superior in all ways other than storage space over the 3. And it seems I need new rest tired every 10k miles. Let's not talk about range. I've tested it thoroughly. Driving in all flat roads, 73°, I've never gotten over 303 miles. I have the dual motor. I'm supposed to get up to 340 miles. Meanwhile the Chevy Bolt claims 280 Mike range, and that regularly accounts 340 miles. At night, I charge the 3 to 100 or 319 mile range in 75° weather for shiggles, in three morning after I've driven 25 miles, it says I used 45 miles of range. Should I keep going? Let's not talk about having anything in the drunk that stinks and turning on the vent... Yeah, your partners will know you went to the gym earlier that day. My first response was somehow deleted. I copied this one this time.
I was going to get a Model Y but opted for a used Model X. Plus it has the USS which were removed from the newer Teslas hampering short distance parking...
The model x is such a cool car it was just out of my price range at the time, but I plan to buy my wife a used x soon. Thanks for adding to the thoughts.
I have always been a fan of the refresh nose cone. That said if you get a good deal on the 2016 with the old nose, the make a lot for about 3k that will upgrade the bumper to look very similar to the refresh.
I would never buy a used Tesla model S. Who knows what kind of miles it would have on it. Plus the previous person probably drove it like a mad man with the 150 mpg speeds it can do. No thank you, I will buy a new Tesla, but not a model S. At least I will know it hasn't been raced all over the place.
Hey there. Thanks for the input. I have been recommending people to rent one of each on turo in their area. It gave me the peace of mind to feel comfortable with my purchase. I was able to rent each for as little as 100 dollars a day. Great way to see what you like and don’t like. Either way excited for you and your Tesla purchase you’ll have to share with us which one you buy! I can smell the new car smell already. :)
Good point. My suggestion if you are considering the two is to rent one of each on turo in your area. I was able to find th for as little as 100 per day. It helped me decide preferences in that regard too.
Just like an internal combustion engine you never know when the engine or battery will go out. There are studies that show Tesla batteries will last 300k miles, but the battery for a 2016 is under warranty for 8 years. In my instance the warranty will expire in sept of 2024. At that point I will get an extended warranty that extends for an additional 3 years. I have a video on my channel talking about the extended warranty.
I Havent researched it but I did see a model S for sale at 150k mi where the 2nd owner and seller said the battery was replaced 4yrs prior under warranty by the 1st owner..well that sure makes one wonder WHY would a battery that probably had 100k or less mi need replacing in the 1st place?
Hey man. I thought I touched on this in the video. My bad. The model s charges at 125kw. It typically takes 25-30 minutes to charge at a supercharger vs 10-15 minutes in a model 3. For me it wasn’t a big deal as it only applies to me on long road trips.
@@DrewsReviews2023 thanks for your reply, appreciate it. It's very good indeed ! I thought it was like 75kw etc, but 125kw is more than enough to be able to charge it rapidly.
I bought my used 2016 Tesla Model S 75 RWD back in December 2022! Since it's summer now, my screen has been leaking glue. I'll get the MCU upgrade done sometime... 1:50 Mine doesn't have free supercharging. 2:40 My main way of discerning whether I'm looking at a legacy Model S is by checking for cameras in the side repeaters and B pillars.
Thanks for the comment, my upgraded mcu doesn’t seem to have the summer heat issue. I assume they resolved that issue on the upgrades. On supercharging, yes I tried to preface that it doesnt apply to all. Good tip on the b pillars. I had not thought to do that.
Yes, if you got the MCU upgrade already, you won't have the dripping glue issue because that upgrade involves replacing the screen with a part that does not have the glue and thus handles extreme temperatures properly. Until I finally get my upgrade done, I have to periodically wipe the area below my screen with a paper towel and 70% isopropyl alcohol.
I have a 2014 now with 112k and I love it. It's hotter, it's faster, it's bigger, it has more storage and model 3 people compliment it all the time. Plus free super charging
I did a review of a company on my channel that you may find interesting. At the end of the day insurance is to mitigate risk, I have not personally bought an extended warranty but I plan to when my battery gets closer to the 100k mark. The company I reviewed on my channel allows the warranty to be transferred and is relatively inexpensive considering it covers the battery.
The easiest way for me to identify when I was at dealerships was to select the charging tab on the center dash and it will show the cost of the last supercharging session. If the amount is anything other than $0.00 it does not have free supercharging. Please remember toward the end of 2017 they began to do away with supercharging that transfers. So view it as a bonus but not a guarantee with 2017s.
Okay but what about the battery life? I keep reading that these things are good for maybe 8 - 10 years. I live in Ont, Canada so winters can get "cold" so that must impact that battery life.
I got mine on Amazon, I have also noticed a lot of the auto stores have these in stock often. I still think it is silly that the older models do not have cupholders in the back.
Thank you for the video. Im currently in aircraft maintenance school and when I graduate I want to get a Tesla. Im 6’4 so I wasn’t really considering the model 3 but you make me wonder about getting a used model S. Subbed btw
While I am sure the model 3 could accommodate your height the model s can too. I saw a very tall man getting into a model 3 the other day in fact. I am 6ft and feel that the s is very roomy. I came from and f150.
@@MichaelKirven honestly I was looking at the Y because I don’t think I want to get a car that’s like 80k or higher. Idk too much about getting a used Tesla either. Ik if I do that, i could get an S or X for way cheaper
I am looking to purchase a Tesla today will be doing some test driving I was leaning more towards the 3 but after seeing your vid I am a little torn....well will see how I feel after a couple test drives.
Our family owns two M S , one M 3 and one M Y. Best model is the Y fastest charging LFP batteries and more comfortable ride and great trunk. Second place Model S that we have owned since 2013 and driven 360.000 km with original batteries and DU. No problems at all with M 3 but too small and too muck road noise.
Nice review. I have a 2016 S 90D. I ordered the day after the announcement that all new would have everything needed for FSD. Of course FSD still is still not delivered. But I have FSD Beta, and I've gotten updates to keep up, new computer, cameras, etc. Right now I'm trying to decide on transferring FSD to a new vehicle. The program is absolutely ridiculous. There's so many wrinkles. I will keep the S, but I can't figure out what's left after they remove FSD. I think it's Basic Autopilot, but what is that exactly? Hopefully, it's autosteer, and adaptive cruise that most cars have today.
I was thinking X or Y. But I'm changing my mind. It's obvious that the program is all about moving products for Tesla. No consideration for the customer. The only thing for me is the potential to lose the FSD I already have if something goes wrong. My problem is logistics. I'm a Florida resident, but I'm up North for the summer. I'd have to order, fly down to take delivery, and then fly back North. If I could move the delivery into Oct, I'd be there. But then it wouldn't count in Tesla's 3Q numbers. So I guess I'll keep FSD on the S, which also has lifetime Supercharging, and it's very low mileage. I'll have it a long time.
Highly considering a 2016 or 17 model S. Currently drive an F150 about 400 miles per week to and from work. The payment on this would be less than gas.
this is funny because I bought a used 2018 Model S 100d for 35k. Higher mileage at 120k but battery range is 380 at 100%. I understand I won't see 380miles but I just mentioned that for a reference point. I just wanted a long range Tesla with a hatch. I do have enhanced autopilot. White with cream white interior. Loving it. Watching your video, my 2018 is almost the same as your, just different color inside.
I would love the extra range from a 100d. And the fact you have the ability for fsd is great! The hatchback was a big deal for me as I like to do house projects often and wanted to be able to haul wood and mulch and such.
I got a box of old duracells in the garage I was gonna take into the ewaste place, next time I head into town. I'll make you a good offer for em, since used batteries seem like a good idea to you.
I’m currently paying 30 cents on the dollar as long as there isn’t any rust on em. If they do have rust I will still take a gamble but will only buy at 29 cents on the dollar.
Model 3 or 2 is not sold in my country, sales may start in a few months, but I do not know at what prices it will be due to tax policies. Currently the price of a used 2017 Model S 85D is more expensive than the Model Y entry level price. It's actually like comparing apples and pears because their segments are different. However, when I think in general terms, I don't really need sudden acceleration, but I want comfort. I haven't driven a Model S, but I think it will be more comfortable due to the air suspension, and I also think the seat comfort and interior space will be better. When I buy an electric vehicle, I have no intention of selling it after a few years and buying a new one. I'll buy it and it will have a place in the garage until all hell breaks loose. After all, it's just a car, if it has autonomous driving, it won't tire me out when I get older. I don't want to change vehicles constantly, just let the car fulfill its purpose. There is also the battery life detail, which is not yet known. both in terms of charging cycle and chemical life of the battery. In this regard, LFP battery seems to be superior. So I guess I can choose either the model Y with LFP battery or the BYD model with a suitable volume. It may be necessary to wait at least another year to understand which autopilot is better.
Thanks for the informative video, although you're preaching to the choir! I have a 2014MS S85 and thought I'd take advantage of the free supercharging transfer, which is valid until Dec. 31st. I test drove a Model Y, which is within my price range, and didn't like it compared to my older MS. I'm sure I'd get used to it, but I felt the MS is more of a luxury vehicle, and that's in both ride and interior quality. I was going for the 3rd seat option in the Y but that third seat seemed to be an afterthought. The car seems to be a bit too small for that 3rd seat. Ideally the new Model X would be the ticket for me, but since I don't play Lotto that isn't likely to happen!
I agree the model x would also be great to have! I considered the y with the free supercharge transfer too because I like the ability to be able to tow a trailer but opted not to. Thanks for the comment!
How about the suspension? I’ve heard mixed reviews about the suspension/ride comfort of the model 3 and Y but the S is supposed to have air suspension?
So I did the same thing about 8 months ago. I bought a 2015 Model S 85D, has free supercharge, Autodrive 1.0 computer (I'm totally fine with this cause I would be too freaked out to use it on the streets), free connectivity, MCU2, dual chargers (80 amps), 48k miles, premium inside, panoramic roof, perfect condition outside, perfect condition inside for around $19k after incentives. I looked up how much this cost new.. it was around $120k...sheesh!
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Now's the time everyone. I got a 2018 Model S 100D 80k miles with full self driving and lifetime connectivity for $32,000!
I didn’t even consider a used model S before this video. A few of my friends have the model Y and 3. They all gave mixed reviews. The tech is cool, build quality has some issues but overall they all like there choices. For me what stood out the most was the basic aesthetics of the interior of the 3 and Y. Both of these models were not impressive at all. It was seats, steering wheel and a screen. I was like, that’s it, how much was this car??? For that amount of money I would expect more luxuries. It looks like the model S is the way to go.
@anthonyemmm they are all fun cars, just depends on what you are looking for. I agree - I like the interior of the s more.
Me too. 70k miles 75D with EAP and dealer warranty 32k, premium connectivity and multipattern seats that a tually breathe. 6 months ago. Screw Model 3, MS is so much better looking and rides better. Air suspension FTW.
Thinking of getting the same car
Way too many miles hence the deal
I appreciate you sharing this because I was stuck looking at which model 3 to get and couldn’t decide especially when it comes primarily with the battery type & range but NEVER looked into the Model S until now and didn’t know the 2017 models got the option of free super charging.
Glad I was able to help!
Just brought a model 3 LR 2020. Was considering the model S option but I really wanted the extra range over the visual aesthetic. I love the design of the S though. Great vid.
Thanks for the comment. The LR has noticeably more range and is a ton of fun too. I bet your loving it.
I personally have not had any major issues. I did a video on my 1 year cost of ownership if you wanted to see the details.
I always liked the portrait layout on the model S instead of landscape plus the driver side gauges.
Great 1st video. Right to the point. Covered all the questions without tangents. Well done
I appreciate the kind words, it still felt too long, but I wanted to cover those points. Thanks for the comment!
Been toying with the exact same purchase idea. Thanks for confirming my assumptions.
Glad the video was helpful!
Awesome video!! Thank you for answering all the question I had in one simple video!!
Glad it was helpful
Good purchase, that free supercharging comes in clutch. With the recent depreciation on the used Tesla market, the model S plaids are about 50% off. I remember seeing them brand new for $140,000 and now you can pick one up with about 20,000 miles on it for $70,000. That is a lot of performance for a car in that price range.
Yes I agree a used plaid right now feels like a steal of a deal!
Model 3 may be slightly smaller, but I would take a newer battery over anything else considering its the battery thats the most critical+expensive component in these cars. Nice review!!
Thanks for the input. Glad you enjoy the model 3. They are a lot of fun.
I think the model 3/y battery warranty is 100k miles while the model s is 150k miles
Wish Tesla offered certified used older models for lease or fore sale with a longer bumper to bumper extended warranty since the current ones are pretty short. I mean there's almost nothing that can go wrong with them and barely any maintenance since they are so simple compared to a pure ICE car. I would definitely pick up an X or S if that were the case.
@Fergunator on mine the warranty is unlimited miles or 8 years.
You can add an extended warranty to a used Tesla. I have a video covering cost and coverage.
Thanks Drew, looking to make a decision on a 2019 model S 75D in the morning. This vid is helping...
Glad you found it helpful! Good luck on your purchase!
@@DrewsReviews2023 mission accomplished - 2019 Tesla model S 75D.
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@@financialsombrero9097 how have you been enjoying it?
You have the option of upgrading the hardware in the Infotainment system. I also think you can upgrade the autopilot. Of course, it costs money
Good review. I’ve been considering a model 3 or s. I think the battery life / warranty is the biggest differential and it would have been nice to hear you touch base on that.
Thanks for the feedback I may speak to this in a future video as it does come up often.
yeah, thats like one of the biggest differences... and a very important hting to consider
My warranty on both battery and motors expires at the end of next year.
I heard about some Tesla Model S that hit 1 million miles but had the 4th battery inside them already.
So yeah, the battery won't last forever.
But compared to the service costs you have with a gasoline car the cost is rather less.
@@JackoBanon1 Yes, Ryan Shaw made a video about the million mile tesla. I think it had 4 motor replacements but only 2 batteries or something like that. Pretty impressive!
I've been thinking of the same comparison. An older model S or a new model 3? After much thought I figured the new model 3 because it would be under full warranty which probably makes it a much better deal. The repairs on Teslas are very expensive and the older model S has nothing covered or won't have coverage for very long. They are notorious for many parts failing. The motors, the battery, the door handles, the suspension, etc. I love the way the model S looks but apparently the older ones aren't built very well compared to the newer Model Y and 3.
If you add up the free super charging over the next 10 years VS. all the repairs you'll be doing I don't think you're saving anything and you'll have a lot of headaches.
I'd probably buy the GM Silverado EV before I buy a Model 3. I like the functionality of it. It's basically a mobile power station which is something no Tesla can do. Teslas are cool but all they do is get you from point A to point B.
I like the look of the Silverado ev too. Also the lightning is cool! I’ll be sure to keep the channel updated on repairs.
@@DrewsReviews2023 Cool, thanks. Will be looking forward to the repair costs. And can you let us know the insurance cost difference between a new 2023 model 3 and your older model S?
Yes I will be posting that this week.
One other point to consider. Slow charging saves your battery, so even though you have free super charging, you should still do most of your charging at home. If you're driving less than 40 miles a day, I would even consider charging daily at 110v (7kw). Here in Florida, FPL will give you one of their chargers and you can charge your car unlimited overnight for just $31.00 a month, practically free. Even if they have to install a 220v outlet, it's only 7 bucks a month more, nothing up front.
Good note, I am actually discussing this in the next two videos when I go over my electric cost. I also live in Florida and have that option for the flat fee, but I don’t tap into it.
@@DrewsReviews2023 I have a neighbor with a Tesla, she says her bill only went up around $30 bucks a month so no reason for it. Me? I drive between 200-300 miles a day so it's a no brainer for me.
While we've all been told that slow charging is better for the battery, Tesla themselves just recently came out with an extensive study showing that there's no difference in battery degradation between level 2 and level 3 charging stations. Now, were they only testing LFP batteries? Because I actually find their results surprising. Anyway, just wanted to mention that.
wow I didn't know FPL gives that for $31. thank you! I have Tesla. I put already a walcharger but unlimited for $31 i will check.
How many Kwh do you use a month for charging? I'm not sure you come out ahead at $31/month at normal retail electricity prices (far less than inflated commercial charging prices). Tesla also has an adapter you can just use for trickle charging it.
Exactly why I just bought my 2017 Model S P100D with 80k miles. Got it for $33,900 but about $42,000 after taxes, 3yr warranty and other bs.
I love it so far. Great video, thanks.
P100D was my hope when I bought mine, but wasn’t in my budget. Enjoy!
Whats the difference of the 100 and 75 versions
@BlancoSrt392 main difference is the range. The 100 will give another 50 or 60 miles of range
Good tip! I got my model 3 used, and I've been really happy with it.
Heck yes. Glad you found one you liked. I am so curious to see what the new model 3 looks like.
Hi… it’s been a year now. Any update? Are you happy with your model 3 purchase? Thank youu
Awesome! I wasn’t thinking of a used model s. Just been looking at the model 3s. The model 3 highlander looks nice. Also the battery warranty on the new car being 8 years or 120k miles sounds nice. But man the model S looks better.
Glad I could help you consider other options. The Highlander does look good I agree, but I still prefer the s. I have a video on an extended warranty that may be helpful for you too. It will extend the Tesla warranty by 3 years.
@@DrewsReviews2023 thank you! I’ll check that video out.
i'm the same about buying used. just so much less loss overall. that initial depreciation is crazy
It really is crazy how much falls off these cars after just 1 year. Thanks for the comment.
IMO the problem with this is that regardless of the mileage, you bought a car with 7 year old batteries in it. Batteries don't just degrade with mileage and charge cycles, they also age with time. If you instead bought a 4-6 year newer model 3, you would get a newer battery pack that, assuming equal usage, should survive 4-6 years longer, perhaps even more due to battery manufacturing improvements.
Solid point. That is absolutely a possible outcome however Tesla has been around long enough to have a strong degree of certainty that battery failures are rare. In addition to total failures being rare Tesla put out a study that even after 200,000 miles of usage the battery degregation is just 12%. This is why you hear so many stories of teslas with 200,000 miles and even recently there is a Tesla with 1 million miles. For me I am less focused on that as I only intend to keep this car for a few years and then on to the next toy. I doubt I will even see 120,000 miles. Either way good point and I appreciate the thoughts.
And they are OLD tech batteries. Newer batteries are less likely to fail. And if you move to LFP batteries, they will last at LEAST 3x longer than NCM / NCA batteries typical seen in the Model S. If the battery fails on an old especially pre-2016 models (before facelift) you gonna pay a lot. After 2016 the battery quality in the Model S is fastly improved. But yeah i get it, the Model S is a lot nicer than the 3. And just drives better. :) But i do believe that the total cost of ownership for the Model 3 and Y with LFP battery is the lowest of all. In the end you gonna pay for that luxury of the Model S which could include a new battery.
@@DrewsReviews2023 12% is a lot!
For 200,000 miles I felt it is fair. That would mean your typical 250 mile range would only have dropped down by 30 miles of range.
Yeah man and 7 year old computer tech is just worse im sorry, but for the same dollars the new 3 is a better car
I have a September 2017 MS 75 RWD, CCS enabled with FSD HW 3.0, MCU2. You forgot to mention that besides free super charging they also came with free premium connectivity. My battery has only degraded 6 miles.
Good point! They free connectivity is pretty nice. Thanks for adding that to the conversation.
the newer model s doesnt have that long bar thingy that cuts into the lights at the back. thats how i usually know which car is old or new
Not sure I ever noticed that, I will have to look for that next time I see my buddy with a new s
@@DrewsReviews2023 i actually noticed it 1 day when i saw 1 drove pass me. u can even check the website and scroll through the images to the one where the back of the car is showing and u will see it
Nice video and nice looking S. I did not know they did the new bumper without the side cameras for the 2016 models. I got a 2015 and went through the same decision process. The plain interior and smaller size was a deal breaker for my wife. Love the classic styling on the S. Charging has been slowed down for these older cars but that doesn't bother us for the way we are using the car. And I say the same thing, free supercharging is a BIG DEAL when it comes to road trips. We pay nothing!
The huge hatch space in the rear is actually wider and longer than my Mercedes ML350 SUV. I was able to carry 4 full Model S wheels with tires in the car with the hatch closed. I couldn't do that in my truck. So it really has the utility of a small SUV.
The biggest risk is when the battery goes out of warranty and you have a failure. Pretty expensive but there are places like 057 that will give you an aftermarket warranty and I believe there will be aftermarket offerings that will come down in price eventually. I actually want to buy a 2nd Model S.
Thanks! Yes, I believe mine was right as they did the mid year bumper refresh.
Independent shops can also diagnose and replace bad cells without having to get a whole new pack offering a huge saving
That is good to know. Thanks for sharing.
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That is still up for debate. Some say those repairs don't last long but I agree that it's theoretically possible to do. I think it's just a matter of knowing how to do it properly. There are a few issues to overcome like balancing the new cells with the old ones to avoid imbalances, not upsetting the connections, and not allowing moisture to enter after repair.
I know this is 8 months later but if you ever get the chance to answer this that would be sick. Do you actually get free supercharging? if so how do you know what tesla model S's do get it or not?
Thanks bro! I was literally considering a pre-owned S vs Telsa 3
Glad I was able to give some perspective. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
What a nice informative video. Would love to get a used model X but those seem above and beyond my budget. Yet this is so useful for folks who want a sedan to get a model S over a 3. Model S seems like so much more of a car then model 3.
Yeah I have been eyeballing the x for my wife.
Very curious what you guys think, I bought my wife a brand new model Y 2023 and I’m so in love with it, but that’s all we really need for our family, I was using my commute to work with Smart Car only because I sit in about two hours of traffic at least a day and was tired of idling gas and not being able to park, I work in New York City and live in Long Island… anyway from legitimately falling asleep during traffic over the years, I’ve had one bad accident accident and a couple near straight death misses and I’m just so spoiled with the full self driving so I was considering just getting it used for my work commute it’s not a lot of miles each way, about 25 miles each way, think it’s worth it?
Just depends on how cheap you are looking to go. I would think anything 15k or less would be too old to have FSD. But if you are willing to spend 25k then seems like a fair plan.
love the review! I have a 2015 Tesla Model S, bought it this year and I love it!
Thanks man! I rented a 2015 on turo when I was thinking about buying a Tesla and that is what got me hooked! Thanks for watching. Excited to make more vids.
Why? Because it became a lot cheaper because the battery is out of warranty?
I think so ! I bought model S 100d 2017 , 47 k miles and I happy
Nice!
Both cars are really good options, especially with current prices
I agree they are both wonderful cars!
Thanks for the video. Debating on trading my Genesis G80 for a Tesla. The only worry I have is range anxiety but the lack of maintenance necessary is appealing.
I love my model S way better than a 3. I'm 6'7 and the S has way more leg room, I love having 2 modules instead of just the one screen in the model 3. I really like the portrait setup as opposed to the landscape one in the model 3 and the fact that it's built into the dash instead of looking like someone bolted an iPad to my dash 🤣. I also prefer the look of the S. Model 3's are everywhere here in Cali so the S stands out way more than the 3 or Y and the S has a lot more room/cargo space than the 3..
For some reason I like the portrait setup too. It just feels more integrated. The new ones are still very cool though. Especially with the yoke steering wheel.
All valid opinions, the only one I disagree with is the portrait mode, landscape is more versatile. If you want to watch TV in your car landscape is far superior.
Good point on watching tv. I only watch tv in the car on long road trips while charging.
@@DrewsReviews2023 same here, I hardly ever do it but I do feel smug when I'm watching Netflix while it's charging 😄
@@DrewsReviews2023 The portrait screen is actually safer because looking at a landscape screen while driving takes your eyes further away from the road and limits what your peripheral vision can see. I would like the yoke also if the horn wasn't a little button you had to press. Seems a bit unsafe to me in an emergency with only a split second to use it especially if turning.
Thank you! I have had a MY for 3 years now. I came from a Lexus and I cant get past the bumpy and creaky ride - My daughter is getting her license and was going to buy her a used 3....but with the MS prices right now, I will give her mine and get an S. I saw so many videos complaining on how slow the charging is! but this clears it up
I have both cars. I would say the M3 performance is the better option. Hands down!
Great insight. Thanks for sharing.
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@@76ers lol 😂 this is a Tesla video, M3 is Model 3. I have am M4 BMW definitely know the difference 👍🏽
@@gust9464 I know it's a Tesla video. I just hate when people try to abbreviate everything because they're too lazy to type. I'm sure you write Model S as "MS" also.
@@76ers I have an M3 P-
Do some people buy a warranty for battery if they pickup an older model s like this ? Looking into a 17 model s currently
Gotta say great job for a newer channel. I’m also debating between the 2 but the more I research the more it looks like the s is the better deal.
Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words. The S is a blast. Let me know if there is anything else I can cover that would be helpful.
The free charge originally applied to Tesla S that were ordered until January 15, 2017. but Tesla has sent out an offer that the free charge can be transferred to a new Tesla and it is about Tesla S about Tesla X and Tesla y . But it will only apply as long as you own the new car. Unfortunately, you must collect the new car no later than the last day of this year
Great video thank you this is very timely as we are looking at a 2017 s 75d right now with FSD. How can I tell if it qualifies for free supercharging? Is there something on the display indicating this ?
The easiest way I was able to figure out was click on the charging tab in the center display. It will show what the last charging session cost. If it’s anything other than 0 it should have free supercharging. Keep in mind towards the end of 2017 they stopped allowing the supercharging to transfer. When the dealer is given control of the tesla(which they should have) they can login to their Tesla app and select the specs and warranty tab at the bottom of the app. It will clearly list free unlimited supercharging if so.
Hello, where did you buy and where do you suggest that I buy one like yours? Thanks
I agree. I love my 2015 P85D. I just recently test drove the new Model 3 and S and I like my older S better (after putting significant work into it). The S is a much better car.
The p85d was the other car I was eyeballing. Good choice!
Nice car , no question about it, let's hope your battery will last another 200k miles or more, otherwise, if it goes, forget it.
Thanks for the kind words. Fortunately I don’t plan to keep the car past about 130,000 miles. I plan to keep it for a few years. I will be sure to update if anything breaks.
Proud owner of a red 2014 P85+ with 151,349 miles with a front bumper refresh, infotainment upgrade, and chrome delete.
As mentioned in the video, nearly indistinguishable from a 2020/21 model unless one knows what minor differences to look for. Our app’s charge stats show we Supercharged 95% of the past 12 months, with 4% at other, and 1% home. (we live just a couple miles from a Supercharging station, so we take advantage of free charging more often as a result).
While many might connect that Supercharging so frequently may degrade the battery faster, our S still has 90% of its original capacity, which coincidentally is about the max range of a brand new 75kWh Model S.
Knowing that most Tesla’s lose about 10% of their capacity initially in the first 50-75k miles before stabilizing and retaining about 90% until about 180-200k, I recommend buying an 85kWh instead of a 75kWh S when available in the same price range when buying used, to compensate for expected degradation that will naturally occur anyways.
It’s important to mention that the miles remaining displayed can be set to either “ideal” or “rated”. I recommend selecting rated to get a far more accurate understanding of remaining capacity when buying used.
One could charge to 100% to verify, but is simple to select % in settings, note the rated range, and extrapolate what the rated range would be at 100%. ie. The rated miles for my car at 50% shows 119 miles remaining, double that for 238 miles. I then compare that range to the EPA rated range for that year/model’s capacity. In my case 265 miles was the EPA rated range when new, so 238 reflects a 10% degradation, which is in line with the majority of other used Tesla’s with similar miles driven. Just to be sure, I charged it to 100%, and sure enough, 238 rated miles were displayed. Again, be sure to select rated, not ideal, as that shows a higher range if driven in ideal conditions, but unhelpful when determining present battery degradation.
For some, the 10-12% difference in range between a 75 or 85 kWh isn’t a factor as they may not be driving more than 200 miles between charges anyways. Though, having more capacity never hurts and takes a little less time to charge to the same range due to charge curve advantages.
I share this as I find many people shying away from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 models due to usually having higher miles, but as long as they are of the 85kWh variety (the highest available at the time), most should still have more than sufficient range for most drivers.
All said, there are certain advantages of Model 3’s, some of which mentioned in the video. I for one, prefer a used Model S for a similar or often a lower price, and bought our low mileage 3.5 year old Performance S for just $41,500 +ttl after applicable rebates. And being a “+” model, it came with practically every option available at the time:
• air suspension
• premium sound
• power lift gate
• Performance suspension
• 21” staggered wheels
• carbon fiber package
• carbon fiber spoiler
• red brembo brake calipers
• panoramic sunroof roof
• Napa leather
• dual 40A onboard chargers
• premium lighting
• aluminum pedals
• removable roof rack
• front trunk luggage
• Performance inverter
• tire inflation repair kit
and as a bonus came with stop valid HOV lane stickers.
.. but most importantly, unlimited lifetime Supercharging, which saves us the equivalent of $4911 a year in gas alone according to our app, based on 16,660 miles driven annually and kWh added for free. Multiply that by 9 years, and that equates to $44,191 saved.. more than we paid for the car.
Yes, the car has already paid for itself in what was not spent on gas alone in a similar petrol vehicle for the same miles driven.
Of course, for those with ample solar panels on their roof and battery storage, charging at home may very well be quite inexpensive as well.
I think that the 2012-early 2016 models that have unlimited supercharging grandfathered are sometimes overlooked for their sheer value mostly because of an easily replaceable nosecone, age, or mileage, but given that they are visually nearly indistinguishable from a recent build (especially after a front bumper refresh), get free OTA updates (which add most of the new features of current models, minus autopilot/FSD), and have the option for an infotainment upgrade for a faster CPU and higher res front screen, and a chrome delete is rather simple, it’s not hard to own a Model S that looks and performs so similarly to a new one, or at least to the non-Tesla enthusiast. It’s hard *not* to consider one, especially at half to one third the price of new.. and about the same as a Model 3.
Wonderfully written and well said. I appreciate you taking the time to add such color to the conversation. The updated front nose cone is game changer on those models! Looks so good!
Just joined the club with my 2016 model s 90d, I do love it, but here in the UK it didn't come with free supercharging, maybe that's just a US thing?
I believe it was also a thing in the UK, but just like the US it was only on select Teslas.
@@DrewsReviews2023 been looking into it more, looks like if the car ever ended up back at the dealership for resale then they would take it off... Ah well
@Jake0483 yes that is true
Great video. I am considering a used Model S too. I am a bit concerned about replacing the battery though which would cost a pretty penny.
Understandable concern. The research supports the vast majority of batteries lasting 200-300k miles. But everyone has to do what is best for them. I will be making a video to share a deeper dive on what older teslas can and can’t do vs a newer one. That comparison may also be helpful.
can you talk more about what the extended warranty part looks like? buying a used older model S and X can be great options if one does not have to worry about the warranty on the expensive parts of these.
Yes if you click on my channel I have a video dedicated to the extended warranty and show actual screenshots of the cost and what it covers.
I see what you’re saying but as a 2013 Model S owner just because you buy a Model S for 30k doesn’t mean it comes with your normal/average $30k car maintenance. Sticker price of mine was $95k and I can tell when it comes to maintenance. Despite buying it for $30k/50k miles one owner, I spent over $20k first 3 years of owning. Broken control arms, wheel fell off, full air suspension work, door handle stuck, 12v battery replaced, infotainment upgrade, tires, etc
Sorry to hear you had those challenges. I believe there is data that shows 2015 and older were more prone to those issues due to being some of the first models. That said, buying used regardless of model will always have these possibilities. Thanks for the comment I think it’s a valid point/ topic to insert.
Does Tesla offer a CPO warranty?
@paullee9982 to my knowledge they do not. But you can buy some from outside vendors
Hey drew great vid! Have you had any issues with the air suspension?
You forgot to mention a MASSIVE Pro for the Model S over the Model 3, the Adaptive Air Suspension. Not only is the suspension in the Model S more smooth but it can remember the location where you needed more ground clearance and automatically adjust the height for you.
Great addition to the conversation. Thanks for sharing.
7 year old air suspension? I see problems coming with the airbags in the near future
Thinking about getting a p90D or even the older P85D
I think either one would be killer!
AP1 was never meant for FSD.
This is a horrible video.. The 75D doesnt come anywhere close to my performance 3. It doesnt have the features, functionality, or the tech🤦🏽♂️ He bought the cheapest model S thinking it was better than the 3 or Y 🤦🏽♂️ and lets not even talk about the range hes getting 🤦🏽♂️ L video
Thanks for the comment. I didn’t personally want a model 3 because they are a bit smaller than what I wanted. The model 3 is an awesome car. The performance model is even more fun! I’m so excited for you that you could afford the performance model 3. I love the rims on those. I have driven them all, but for me the model s is my favorite.
@@ghost_m3pyou sound really offended for no reason.
@@jvausa Socially awkward much? I am not a yes man, I am a tesla owner and the OP is giving bad advice. These are tech vehicles and he is telling people to take less tech for a prestige or look... if you want more room, you dont go for an S, you go for a Y or X, thats what theyre built for. The space difference in the S compared to the 3 is negligible at most, they wider on the outside than the inside.
@@ghost_m3p yes you sound socially awkward. You are upset for no reason. Being rude and aggressive. You can disagree without being a douche.
I was one of those years ago saying I’m buying a Tesla S when it came out. I test drove two but couldn’t part with that much cash, having only bought second hand cars in the past, usually at 15k miles or so. However, after 6 years with my very good Mercedes 220d AMG estate I’m now looking at early Model S cars with 100k miles that look fab. I’m going to double up for a while and run both.
I also choose an older Model S over the 3 for many reasons. Such an amazing car and so functional. Also the free suoer charging is huge for me.
Totally agree! Thanks for sharing.
So is the free supercharging still transferible? I was told at a dealer it wasn't 🤔
@prsbm the 2016 models transfer for the life of the car in all instances I have seen. In 2017 is when I believe they started to phase out to non transferable
@@DrewsReviews2023 what about 2014? That's the one in buying.
Yes 2014 should be fine
A couple of months ago, I purchased a Pre-ap model s, p85, for 24k. First thing I did was purchase comma 3 & additional connectors from Tinkla, about $1.6k. This gave me full longitudinal, lateral autopilot. Then, last month I purchased the front fashcia refresh (2k) to give me the new model S front bumper. Now effectively my car operates more similarly to the new model S. Ie: fsd “like” autopilot, traffic visualization on instrument cluster via the tinkla buddy (I’m on MCU2). And I have free supercharging. Current battery degradation is a little over 10% and I get roughly 240 miles of range per full charge. (I have lead battery that I believe you can charge to 100% without degrading the battery quicker.) Will have bumper installed by next month hopefully.
I was not familiar with Comma 3 - I have some googling to do it sounds interesting. That bumper is going to look great. Congrats on the Tesla and thanks for adding to the conversation. Good insight for those considering.
how is the car doing?
Are you asking me or the guy with the p85?
thats exactly what I wanted to know... how to get the traffic visualization in older cars
@@rickgauden Car is doing amazing. Honestly, the only negative I have is that my rear passenger door handle has failed. Outside of that, no complaints.
As someone who is looking to possibly sell my 2014 Focus ST for an AWD Model 3 or Model Y, your comment about the firm seat might be the reason I go with a used Model S instead. I LOVE the full leather bucket-style seats in my ST3. Ideally I wish I could just take my ST (or preferably the RS), replace the engine and drivetrain with a Tesla battery and motors, and I'd be the happiest dude alive. lol
Ha that would be sick! I would suggest renting one on turo in your area. I rented a Tesla model s, y and 3 before making my purchase decision. Some will rent for as little as 100 bucks a day.
Do not listen to this man, if you drive a focus st (I also have my cobalt SS turbo along with my performance 3) I HIGHLY recommend that you do not take this mans advice and get a performance 3. They have a huge aftermarket community and if you like modding your car, you cannot do much to the S.. on top of this, the older S charge slower, have less features, and the build quality is terrible on them. Trust me, get a performance 3 and you will not be disappointed… even if you get a 2018, you can upgrade the computer to hardware 3.0 and get all of the FSD features.. you cannot do this to a model S. You cant even get aftermarket tail lights for the model S..
I've driven a P85D & P90D for work and have plenty of seat time behind the Model 3 and Y.
I prefer model 3 the most, and like the model s the least.
The model S is big and boaty feeling. It doesn't feel sporty and agile (no surprise since it weighs 5000 lbs). The air suspension is nice, and you can raise the vehicle to clear certain road conditions.
Also, the technology and interior styling in model S is outdated (been the same since 2012) unless it's the newer 2021+ refresh models.
Thanks for sharing. Wish I had a job where I could drive teslas for work! :)
You better do some test driving, instead of some online reading. Drive them all.
I'm curious about the clear roof, has no one shared if it gets too hot due to the direct sun? Looking to buy my first m3
In mine there is clearly a tiny of some sort along the top and it does likely get warmer than a car without a glass top but the ac is great and I don’t personally feel the heat from it.
I love my 2018 MS 75D but the only issue Inhave with it is the range and charging time. Which isn’t a huge deal unless I go on road trips and it’s even harder with a 2 year old but other than that… best car I’ve ever owned at 7 months later. I’m still excited to get into the car every time 😊
Range has not bothered me much, but I don't go on trips over 3 hours all that often. Good input. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
Great video, thanks..1 question..from what you have heard approx. how many miles can you expect out of the battery? Are these made to go over 200K miles or??
They actually can see them go 300k miles. I have a video on my channel that talks about extended warranty that you may find helpful.
thanks for the fast response..ill check out that video...Happy New Year!@@DrewsReviews2023
@utubeblackbat happy new year!
I'd love to see a second part on this regarding the MCU upgrade, FSD, and costs associated with them. Whether that be already on the vehicle, and what we should pay if it is, or if we can add them post purchase. Also, what warranties or extended warranty might be available.
The used Tesla is a bit of a confusing purchase for those of us that haven't owned one. I'm looking at replacing my '18 Mustang GT with a model S. It's the fun third car, but I need a runaround kid hauler...that's still fun.
Thanks for the feedback. This is in a lineup of about 10 videos i am making. I do think those are important aspects to talk about. I would make it all in one video but I know it’s easy to get lost spending 6-10 minutes on each topic. Those GTs are beautiful cars.
Sweet. Sub'd. 👍🏻
😢😢😮6😊
It's a $2500 to go from MCU1 to MCU2, and change out an AP2.5 to HW3.0 FSD. That price includes labor. Then it's $200 for standard FSD which isn't really. It's a package of navigate on autopilot. This being 100% self driving from FWY entrance to exit...no surface streets. Only the FSD beta offers Complete FSD. Which requires an upgrade of the cameras to being color, and a camera installed on the rear view mirror that observes the driver. That fee $750 installed... so to go from an AP 2.5 to legit full self driving is $3250
I would highly advise against any Tesla pre 2019, if you look at Tesla from a business perspective this is right after they first became profitable. Not saying Tesla's weren't great before but the all around quality and improvements each year are better and better. A used 2019 model 3 with FSD is the best bang for the buck IMO. Great video
Thanks for watching and I appreciate the perspective!
This video hits all the pointers I have thinking about. Interested in a secondhand Tesla and prefer the Model S than the Model 3 because of the long wheel base, sleeker looks, and the big infotainment layout. The only drawback is the outside cameras being not available but really leaning towards the older Model S. Thanks for sharing and will follow you.
Glad you found the video helpful. The only piece I would recommend upgrading on a model s is the mcu if it hasn’t already been upgraded.
@@DrewsReviews2023 Thanks mate.
Bro do you think the cameras can be upgraded tooo if it it’s an old model with no cameras
I asked the service center and they were not able to upgrade my cameras.
You can buy camera to add to it
Great vid. Considering buying use now.
Glad it was helpful.
Great video. I’m considering the two myself and my heart says Model S because it’s so beautiful. But I’m worried about its reliability vs the 3.
Have you had any issues with yours?
Minor issues. I will likely make a video on the items I have gone to the service center for. When I bought the car the back left door handle went out but this was something the dealership covered. It was $140 repair at the service center. The only other issue I had was when I upgraded the mcu it ended up causing an airbag light issue and it caused a steering wheel volume control issue. Both fixed free of charge. The warranty even for a 2016 for motor and battery goes until September of 2024. So 8 years from build.
@@DrewsReviews2023I didn't know the original battery/motor warranty remains for teslas sold at a dealership, good to know thanks for the video!!
We have a 2015 S 85D. With 65k miles it has less than 5% battery degradation. It still drives like new. Recently upgraded the MCU and displays for $1400 and it made a huge difference and added a bunch of new features; to an 8 year old car. Free telematics, free supercharging. Couldn't be happier with it.
The screen upgrade really is game changer.
not having to pay to charge and only having to sit and wait for an extra 10 minutes compared to a model 3 sounds like a win to me.
There's a LOT of cons to buying an older model S vs a newer model 3.
Hey there. Of course there are a ton of pro and cons to all of life. The good news is that no matter which Tesla you buy they are all fun!
@@DrewsReviews2023 They're definitely all fun!
I don't think you are sloshing from experience. I have a 2017 models s and I think it's holding up WAY better than if I had gone for a newer 3. Plus, fsd changes your life if you commute.
@@adamshipley5415 I own 3 model S. 2017 2018 and 2023 and a 2019 model 3. I’m speaking from experience.
@@adamshipley5415 I own 3 model S.
2017, 2018 and 2023
and a 2019 model 3. i’m 100% speaking from experience.
I bought a new Model 3 for just a little more than that Model S. The biggest selling point for me was the Lithium-Iron Phosphate battery and the full warranty. Those for me, were huge.
After 4 months of this 2022 Model 3, I'd much rather have a used model S. I'd rather have the Ionic 5 or 6 actually.
Really? What are you not enjoying about the model 3?
@@DrewsReviews2023 The quality. New paint chips every other day. New scratches every time it gets washed. Bad panel gaps. Backwards for handles that you need fingers and thumb to open. If you have anything in your hand, out it down. Sit that coffee on the glass roof and now you have to clean off a ring, or suffer scratching around the door handle area. Backwards navigation screen. Maps are on THE WRONG SIDE. Voice input only works when there's total silence. Bad insulation. You can hear EVERYTHING outside. Sounds like Windows are always cracked open. I can't maneuver the vehicle without the car tearing me like a kid, reminding me that my seatbelt isn't on by throwing a hissy fit. Can't move it with the drunk/trunk open without it constantly reminding you that to have no control of your vehicle. Maps will put you in the far right lane in a quarter mile when you should be in the far left... I can't quickly adjust my mirrors to shine the light back in their face when the asshole behind me had his brightness on... Phantom braking... Almost killed us... When I do use the voice input, instead of turning navigation volume to level 5, it turns out off.. that stupid animation that takes 4 seconds to stop reading you every time you slightly miss the drink or trunk... I would gladly pay a $15k premium on the Ionic 5/6 over this crap. Just from the first time I grabbed the PERFECTLY DESIGNED for handle of the Ionic 6, I knew it was far superior in all ways other than storage space over the 3. And it seems I need new rest tired every 10k miles. Let's not talk about range. I've tested it thoroughly. Driving in all flat roads, 73°, I've never gotten over 303 miles. I have the dual motor. I'm supposed to get up to 340 miles. Meanwhile the Chevy Bolt claims 280 Mike range, and that regularly accounts 340 miles. At night, I charge the 3 to 100 or 319 mile range in 75° weather for shiggles, in three morning after I've driven 25 miles, it says I used 45 miles of range. Should I keep going? Let's not talk about having anything in the drunk that stinks and turning on the vent... Yeah, your partners will know you went to the gym earlier that day. My first response was somehow deleted. I copied this one this time.
I was going to get a Model Y but opted for a used Model X. Plus it has the USS which were removed from the newer Teslas hampering short distance parking...
The model x is such a cool car it was just out of my price range at the time, but I plan to buy my wife a used x soon. Thanks for adding to the thoughts.
Thanks for the video would you go for a 2016 p90d with no refresh front or 2017 75 d refresh front 75 d white seats similar km and same price thanks
I have always been a fan of the refresh nose cone. That said if you get a good deal on the 2016 with the old nose, the make a lot for about 3k that will upgrade the bumper to look very similar to the refresh.
I would never buy a used Tesla model S. Who knows what kind of miles it would have on it. Plus the previous person probably drove it like a mad man with the 150 mpg speeds it can do.
No thank you, I will buy a new Tesla, but not a model S. At least I will know it hasn't been raced all over the place.
Hey there. Thanks for the input. I have been recommending people to rent one of each on turo in their area. It gave me the peace of mind to feel comfortable with my purchase. I was able to rent each for as little as 100 dollars a day. Great way to see what you like and don’t like. Either way excited for you and your Tesla purchase you’ll have to share with us which one you buy! I can smell the new car smell already. :)
2023 model 3 standard is perfect for the money
I was thinking about getting a 2017 model for 24k what ye think ? I don’t care about the self driving tbh..
I traveled for FL 7 weeks ago to buy a ‘15 P85D in ATL. Shipped it home though. So far, so fun
I bought mine in Atlanta too! For some reason Atlanta has a ton of Teslas of all kinds.
what about handling/driving dynamics of S vs 3?
Good point. My suggestion if you are considering the two is to rent one of each on turo in your area. I was able to find th for as little as 100 per day. It helped me decide preferences in that regard too.
Well done Drew! Just today I have kind of switched my focus from a new Y Performance to a 2020-21 Model S. So good looking🥳
The model y is still fun. The main plus to the model y is getting in and out of the car. The model s is low!
Whoa, the Subscribe button lights up really cool when you say "subscribe". That's crazy, never seen that.
I got mine today, 2015 Model S P85D 139k miles. self driving and free supercharge $18,598
Woop woop! Congrats!
So if you bought a 2016 in 2023, when will the batteries have to be replaced, how long are they good for and how much?
Just like an internal combustion engine you never know when the engine or battery will go out. There are studies that show Tesla batteries will last 300k miles, but the battery for a 2016 is under warranty for 8 years. In my instance the warranty will expire in sept of 2024. At that point I will get an extended warranty that extends for an additional 3 years. I have a video on my channel talking about the extended warranty.
I Havent researched it but I did see a model S for sale at 150k mi where the 2nd owner and seller said the battery was replaced 4yrs prior under warranty by the 1st owner..well that sure makes one wonder WHY would a battery that probably had 100k or less mi need replacing in the 1st place?
Great video mate ! How about the charging time ? How much KW can the used model s obtain ? As the model 3 can get up to 250kw and so speed charge
Hey man. I thought I touched on this in the video. My bad. The model s charges at 125kw. It typically takes 25-30 minutes to charge at a supercharger vs 10-15 minutes in a model 3. For me it wasn’t a big deal as it only applies to me on long road trips.
@@DrewsReviews2023 thanks for your reply, appreciate it. It's very good indeed ! I thought it was like 75kw etc, but 125kw is more than enough to be able to charge it rapidly.
I bought my used 2016 Tesla Model S 75 RWD back in December 2022! Since it's summer now, my screen has been leaking glue. I'll get the MCU upgrade done sometime...
1:50 Mine doesn't have free supercharging.
2:40 My main way of discerning whether I'm looking at a legacy Model S is by checking for cameras in the side repeaters and B pillars.
Thanks for the comment, my upgraded mcu doesn’t seem to have the summer heat issue. I assume they resolved that issue on the upgrades. On supercharging, yes I tried to preface that it doesnt apply to all. Good tip on the b pillars. I had not thought to do that.
Yes, if you got the MCU upgrade already, you won't have the dripping glue issue because that upgrade involves replacing the screen with a part that does not have the glue and thus handles extreme temperatures properly. Until I finally get my upgrade done, I have to periodically wipe the area below my screen with a paper towel and 70% isopropyl alcohol.
Interesting.
I have a 2014 now with 112k and I love it. It's hotter, it's faster, it's bigger, it has more storage and model 3 people compliment it all the time. Plus free super charging
That’s great! I love mine too
Drew, thank you for the video. Do you use or recommend using an after market warranty company to mitigate a battery going bad?
I did a review of a company on my channel that you may find interesting. At the end of the day insurance is to mitigate risk, I have not personally bought an extended warranty but I plan to when my battery gets closer to the 100k mark. The company I reviewed on my channel allows the warranty to be transferred and is relatively inexpensive considering it covers the battery.
Drew- If I buy a 2017 Model S, how do I know if get the unlimited Supercharging or not?
The easiest way for me to identify when I was at dealerships was to select the charging tab on the center dash and it will show the cost of the last supercharging session. If the amount is anything other than $0.00 it does not have free supercharging. Please remember toward the end of 2017 they began to do away with supercharging that transfers. So view it as a bonus but not a guarantee with 2017s.
Okay but what about the battery life? I keep reading that these things are good for maybe 8 - 10 years. I live in Ont, Canada so winters can get "cold" so that must impact that battery life.
Great video! Where did you get that rear seat floor cup holder console? I’m looking for something like that.
I got mine on Amazon, I have also noticed a lot of the auto stores have these in stock often. I still think it is silly that the older models do not have cupholders in the back.
@@DrewsReviews2023 what is the name of the product? I agree it’s strange and silly they didn’t include cup holders.
Nice to see a decent down to earth review
Thanks for the kind words
Good video... I've been curious about used teslas
Thanks for watching. Is there a specific Tesla that caught your eye?
@@DrewsReviews2023 not really, I've been interested in the market just because I rarely see used ones pop up at auction... I'm a car dealer
Oh interesting. I wonder why they don’t pop up at auction.
Thank you for the video. Im currently in aircraft maintenance school and when I graduate I want to get a Tesla. Im 6’4 so I wasn’t really considering the model 3 but you make me wonder about getting a used model S. Subbed btw
While I am sure the model 3 could accommodate your height the model s can too. I saw a very tall man getting into a model 3 the other day in fact. I am 6ft and feel that the s is very roomy. I came from and f150.
@@DrewsReviews2023 thank you for this ☝🏾
@@Darqstorms The Y is easier to get into, but the S has a better ride. Test drive both.
@@MichaelKirven honestly I was looking at the Y because I don’t think I want to get a car that’s like 80k or higher. Idk too much about getting a used Tesla either. Ik if I do that, i could get an S or X for way cheaper
Shaq drove a Model S
I am looking to purchase a Tesla today will be doing some test driving I was leaning more towards the 3 but after seeing your vid I am a little torn....well will see how I feel after a couple test drives.
Yes test drives help. But also consider renting one of each on Turo for a few days. Good luck. They are both fun!
Hello Drew !! 😊😊 Awesome video !
Thanks friend!
Our family owns two M S , one M 3 and one M Y. Best model is the Y fastest charging LFP batteries and more comfortable ride and great trunk. Second place Model S that we have owned since 2013 and driven 360.000 km with original batteries and DU. No problems at all with M 3 but too small and too muck road noise.
Nice review. I have a 2016 S 90D. I ordered the day after the announcement that all new would have everything needed for FSD. Of course FSD still is still not delivered. But I have FSD Beta, and I've gotten updates to keep up, new computer, cameras, etc. Right now I'm trying to decide on transferring FSD to a new vehicle. The program is absolutely ridiculous. There's so many wrinkles. I will keep the S, but I can't figure out what's left after they remove FSD. I think it's Basic Autopilot, but what is that exactly? Hopefully, it's autosteer, and adaptive cruise that most cars have today.
Ah man! What are you considering upgrading to?
I was thinking X or Y. But I'm changing my mind. It's obvious that the program is all about moving products for Tesla. No consideration for the customer. The only thing for me is the potential to lose the FSD I already have if something goes wrong. My problem is logistics. I'm a Florida resident, but I'm up North for the summer. I'd have to order, fly down to take delivery, and then fly back North. If I could move the delivery into Oct, I'd be there. But then it wouldn't count in Tesla's 3Q numbers. So I guess I'll keep FSD on the S, which also has lifetime Supercharging, and it's very low mileage. I'll have it a long time.
Highly considering a 2016 or 17 model S. Currently drive an F150 about 400 miles per week to and from work. The payment on this would be less than gas.
I had an f-150 too. Gas savings is redic, I miss being higher off the ground though. Still love the car but that is the main gripe.
Thank you. The video was very informative. Keep making more.
Thanks for the kind words!
I have a white long range 2020 model s also for $35,000. 145,000 miles but runs great. New tires.
For anyone interested.
Very cool!
I did consider a used p90d/p100d before picking the performance 3. Just couldn't beat the warranty and peace of mind for my first EV.
Totally understandable. I bet you haven’t regret it for one second too. Those are fun!
this is funny because I bought a used 2018 Model S 100d for 35k. Higher mileage at 120k but battery range is 380 at 100%. I understand I won't see 380miles but I just mentioned that for a reference point. I just wanted a long range Tesla with a hatch. I do have enhanced autopilot. White with cream white interior. Loving it. Watching your video, my 2018 is almost the same as your, just different color inside.
I would love the extra range from a 100d. And the fact you have the ability for fsd is great! The hatchback was a big deal for me as I like to do house projects often and wanted to be able to haul wood and mulch and such.
Have started thinking about model instead of 3
The new 3 is pretty nice but these used S are much more affordable than they used to be when gently used.
Another tip is to buy a Tesla S that has had the hardware upgraded to MCU2. Then go things faster on the screen and you get more functions
I got a box of old duracells in the garage I was gonna take into the ewaste place, next time I head into town. I'll make you a good offer for em, since used batteries seem like a good idea to you.
I’m currently paying 30 cents on the dollar as long as there isn’t any rust on em. If they do have rust I will still take a gamble but will only buy at 29 cents on the dollar.
Model 3 or 2 is not sold in my country, sales may start in a few months, but I do not know at what prices it will be due to tax policies. Currently the price of a used 2017 Model S 85D is more expensive than the Model Y entry level price. It's actually like comparing apples and pears because their segments are different. However, when I think in general terms, I don't really need sudden acceleration, but I want comfort. I haven't driven a Model S, but I think it will be more comfortable due to the air suspension, and I also think the seat comfort and interior space will be better. When I buy an electric vehicle, I have no intention of selling it after a few years and buying a new one. I'll buy it and it will have a place in the garage until all hell breaks loose. After all, it's just a car, if it has autonomous driving, it won't tire me out when I get older. I don't want to change vehicles constantly, just let the car fulfill its purpose. There is also the battery life detail, which is not yet known. both in terms of charging cycle and chemical life of the battery. In this regard, LFP battery seems to be superior. So I guess I can choose either the model Y with LFP battery or the BYD model with a suitable volume. It may be necessary to wait at least another year to understand which autopilot is better.
I am not familiar with the BYD models but I hear they are great too!
How do you get all the black trim rather than chrome
I paid a local shop to put black vinyl wrap on all of my chrome features. It was about 1,000.
Thanks for the informative video, although you're preaching to the choir! I have a 2014MS S85 and thought I'd take advantage of the free supercharging transfer, which is valid until Dec. 31st. I test drove a Model Y, which is within my price range, and didn't like it compared to my older MS. I'm sure I'd get used to it, but I felt the MS is more of a luxury vehicle, and that's in both ride and interior quality. I was going for the 3rd seat option in the Y but that third seat seemed to be an afterthought. The car seems to be a bit too small for that 3rd seat. Ideally the new Model X would be the ticket for me, but since I don't play Lotto that isn't likely to happen!
I agree the model x would also be great to have! I considered the y with the free supercharge transfer too because I like the ability to be able to tow a trailer but opted not to. Thanks for the comment!
How about the suspension? I’ve heard mixed reviews about the suspension/ride comfort of the model 3 and Y but the S is supposed to have air suspension?
Correct many (not all) of the model s have air suspension. The ones with air suspension certainly have a better ride than a model 3
So I did the same thing about 8 months ago. I bought a 2015 Model S 85D, has free supercharge, Autodrive 1.0 computer (I'm totally fine with this cause I would be too freaked out to use it on the streets), free connectivity, MCU2, dual chargers (80 amps), 48k miles, premium inside, panoramic roof, perfect condition outside, perfect condition inside for around $19k after incentives. I looked up how much this cost new.. it was around $120k...sheesh!
Have you had issues with the recalled center screen? It's been a major headache for me.
I personally have not had issues with the screens, but I did upgrade to the mcu2