I hear ya man. When a guy was full of piss and vinegar and a nice breeze would make the old trouser monster stand straight up lol. No internet tough guys back then either.Now we have agendas and people with a thorn up their ass thinking the world somehow owes them a favor. Simpler times indeed.
@@peteandrepete528 You sound like a guy that's not only strong and rugged in person, but quite virile as well. I hope you've found a way to tame that monster of yours. "It" must be an impressive sight. You really give off a groovy vibe.
Whenever you feel stressed, please say these words: "Dear God, thank you for my eyes, thank you for my ears, thank you for my hands, thank you for my feet, thank you for my heart....you are so good to me!" Gabe, focus on your blessings please, not your problems. I love you but God loves you way more.
When I was a kid my dad brought me to a pre-season game. After the game we stood out back to get autographs while the team got on their bus. All the dudes were nice, signing autographs, shaking hands, taking pictures. Clemens comes out and just starts yelling at all the kids "WATCH OUT, GET OUT MY WAY" and so on. Keep in mind we were behind barricades, so no one was really in his way. All of our dads just started talking shit to him back and he wanted to go after us kids and our dads. Fuck that dude.
Ok. When I was a kid Clemens came to see me in the hospital the day before I had heart surgery. He asked me if he could do anything and I asked him to come see me when it was over. Day after the surgery he showed up. The next year at spring training in winter haven my dad brought me to a game and Roger was signing autographs. I waited and when it was my turn he immediately recognized me and remembered my name. He asked my dad where we were sitting and after about the 5th inning an usher cake and let us know that Mr Clemens invited us to one of the outer fields. He spent about 30 minutes with me playing catch and teaching me how to throw pitches. I don’t doubt that he’s a hot head nor do I doubt your story. But he did so much more for me than I could ever expect. And I was far from the only one he did things like this for. We’re all flawed and at our worst moments but he taught me to give to people in need. I’ll always be thankful for that.
Never been a Clemens fan the rules were different for him compared to others. Mike Piazza should have charged the mound. None of the Yankees wanted to defend him throwing a piece of the broken bat at Piazza his excuse of saying "I thought it was the ball." Hello you throw a ball to first base not a runner.
@@16rumpole yep that's why Rickey should easily be the all time walks leader and was for a while. But Barry Bonds stole it from him when he started being walked all the time after he used steroids.
I didn't think idiotic comments like that by announcers went back as far as 1990. It's hard to believe Jim Gray actually got paid to deliver us absolutely useless nonsense like this.
Also, it takes the announcers almost two minutes to realize that Clemens had been ejected. So, they're not watching the action closely, and no one else in the back room saw it and told them in their ear what's going on. Everyone at home saw it, but the people making thousands of dollars to describe the action both do not see what's going on right in front of them.
CBS’ baseball production was a huge drop-off from NBC and even ABC. NBC’s Game of the Week was the best, esp. with Vin and Joe. Not exactly an original observation but NBC was so good at presenting baseball in the 80’s.
I personally dont care, it made better baseball and if guys want to take the chance on harming their bodies to gain, hey go for it. Obviously I understand the reasons for not allowing it, but its just my personal opinion.
1990? Nah. It was just basically Canseco and maybe McGwire back then. It didn't become more wide spread until after the strike. So frustrating, all the MLB needed to do back then aside from the obvious of instituting random PED testing for everyone .....was at least looking into guys like Canseco that were obvious. Hell Boston fans were chanting "Steroids" at him, then he flexed to the crowd 🤣( Alpha move by the way) MLB shoulda looked into it and demanded a steroid test or something. They do that and the message would be clear....blatant steroid use won't be tolerated, and would fuck up your reputation and money. Instead they did nothing, and in effect there was no rule against steroids since no one was tested, investigated or even mildly rebuked out of the public eye. No one said or did anything; not the MLB, not the PA, not the fans, and not the media. PEDs were de facto greenlighted.....thats why I don't really blame 90s guys for using or curse them for their lack of "integrity"....rule isn't really a rule if there's absolutely zero enforcement nor a stigma against breaking it. The MLBPA didn't want random testing for recreational drugs bc everyone was doing blow and amphetamines back in the 80s and 90s
@@davidca96 I don't think any of the 90s users owe any1 an apology for anything. There was no testing, no oversight, no questions ever asked by the MLB. On top of that fans and media didn't care or said anything it's not really a rule if it's totally unenforced and unacknowledged by all parties involved
@@johndfw8680 Yes there are. Whenever there are two LCS games on the same day, one is a day game. I suppose it could be a late start like 5:00 if it's on the east coast, but there were day games @ Dodger Stadium last year. Just the World Series is always in prime time, as it should be.
I agree that throwing out a starting pitcher in a game like this is ridiculous. However, Clemens has to have some degree of self control knowing what is on the line
Let's just be glad Clemens didn't throw a bat at an umpire, or something like that. Early in his career or late in his career, Clemens was always a showboating hothead with an ego of eggshells.
This was the first year I fell in love with baseball, I was 11. Thankfully I only had to go through 13 years of heartache before the curse was broken, but I remember this sting all too well.
The only time the fans go on the field at Fenway Park is after we won a World Series haven't you been paying attention lately when we won all those World Series and you didn't.
The way this story is talked about now.....its completely blamed on Clemens, but in real time everyone seemed to think the ump was way out of line for ejecting an ace during a playoff game.
that's true because at the time Clemens was a very respected pitcher who had struck out 20 Mariners in a game and had won multiple Cy Young awards. Jump ahead 10 years later and he was a cheating steroid goon.
@@johnmongani5223 thats true....the writers really seem to be into this retroactive moral preening about steroids during a time no one gave a shit(including the writers) about steroids.....Its like being really really upset now in 2020 that a white guy in 1890s Georgia was racist. At least 62% of the writers(ones that vote for him) seem to have functional brains....the rest are just old crotchety holier than thou types that somehow think Harold Baines should be a HOFer, but the HR King and the guy with the best pitching career of the last century shouldn't....theres a reason those cowards want their votes kept private.
@@johnmongani5223 I just hate retroactive moralizing like this. 1990 Clemens doesn't magically become wrong (or deserving of ejection in postseason) bc his reputation has sucked for the last 13 years. Im not saying you're doing that, but its something people do that just drives me nuts.
I always thought Clemens got himself tossed on purpose. He was on his way to getting dusted and with his huge ego he didn't want to get blown out in an elimination game.
CBS interviewed Clemens when he got to the clubhouse and he said he was going to ice his arm down and be ready to start tomorrow if the Sox won (they were down 3-0). I remember hoping they would win to see what happened in Game 5, but it didn't happen.
That ball 4 to Randolph was right over the plate....like directly over. See why he was pissed. Not an excuse for using foul language, but the ball was right over the plate.
The pitch before that was called a strike but looked high and in, Randolph looked back at Cooney on that one like wtf then took “ball 4” which was indeed a strike. Roger wasn’t looking too good so maybe he did jack his jaws for an ejection. Well he sure got it!
Sometimes umpires miss calls. And these misses can and do affect the outcome of very crucial games. The calls on Randolph in this video most certainly did look like strikes. And the umpire should have at least given a warning. The ump should have handled it better.
The first game I ever went to was in Oakland with a Stewart/Clemens matchup. A’s won 1-0. Stewart threw 134 pitches in a CG SO. Absolute perfection. August 30, 1988.
Stewart later said he thought Clemens realized he had nothing that day and was going to get beat, and intentionally got himself ejected so he'd have that as a fig leaf when his team lost. He added something like "Same old Roger Clemens, never coming through for his team when it counts the most." Not a lot of respect there. He did dominate head-to-head match-ups with Clemens over the years.
Everybody missed it when Clemens got tossed - the CBS cameras, announcers, even the Oakland fans didn't react immediately. You'd think that a cataclysmic event like Roger Clemens being ejected from a postseason game in the 2nd inning would have been a major meltdown type deal, but nobody realized it at the time it happened.
Kinda hard when fastballs directly over the plate are called balls about 7 times. Cooney was an asshole and Denkinger was an expert at blowing big calls himself.
I’ve always been a Red Sox fan, but in 1988 and 1990, the A’s just had a much better team. Indeed, the surprising aspect about that dominant A’s team is that they only won one World Series Championship in that period. The Dodgers beat them in ‘88, and the Reds in ‘90.
Mark Cianfarani The Gibson home run definitely was a huge factor. Very dramatic, coming off the bench, barely able to walk. But Dodgers pitcher Orel Hershiser (not sure on the spelling) was just about unhittable in that Series also.
@@johnfitzpatrick3094 Th '88 Dodgers were, but the '90 Reds weren't that much better. Cincy should have won at least 100 in the NL West that year. Then they beat the "perennially striking-out in playoff games" Pirates. The A's had more of a mental edge in '89, after the '88 loss. In 1990, they seemingly took a nap for a week after sweeping Boston, and acted like the WS was over as soon as they arrived. Well, it was...
@@brianoneill7186, I agree with the last part, but the Reds also had stiff competition from the Dodgers and Giants. They also had a lights out bullpen.
@Kevin Michael Agreed. It was the last two games, where the Dodger starting lineup had been depleted by injuries, that were surprising, particularly Game4, when sloppiness and a couple of errors killed the A's. The Reds in 1990 were fortunate get the sweep, before the loss of Hatcher and Davis could hurt them too much.
If you read his lips, the first thing he says is "I'm not fucking talking to you". He probably was talking to himself in anger and the ump thought he was talking to him initially, but telling the ref "I'm not fucking talking to you" probably wasn't the best way to explain himself
I miss when you had to win your division to make the playoffs. It truly meant something to be in the playoffs then, although I think the Sox only won 89 games that year.
I don't miss those days at all. I'm a Jays fan, after the mid 90s when the Yankees and Red Sox started buying up all star teams, I knew in April my team wasn't making playoffs no matter how good they looked on paper. Lots of years in there when the Jays could have won the central or west, but were doomed to miss the playoffs in the east. An expanded playoff actually gives fans in most markets something to look forward to on any given year. It's far better for keeping an interest in the game.
1:10...Boston actually broke that record, losing 15 straight games from 1986-1999 (last two vs Mets 86 WS, all eight vs A's in 1988/90 ALCS, three vs Cleveland in 1995 ALDS and first two vs Cleveland in 1999 ALDS) before improbably coming back from down 0-2 to beat Cleveland in the 1999 ALDS.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot not exactly. In 1998 ALDS Boston won Game 1 vs Cleveland, losing the series 3 games to 1. Total losing streak was only(!) 13 games, then another 5 game losing streak before game 3 the following year.
Let's go back to the studio to get the perspective of the umpire who blew the 1985 World Series for St. Louis, and who that entire team - led by Joaquin Andujar - tried to kill in Game 7. LMAO
Was it Dickingers fault Jack Clark dropped a pop up, was Dickingers fault Todd Worrell & Darrell Porter allowed wild pitch or passed ball, did Don Dickinger allow the game winning hit, did Don Dickinger get destroyed in Game 7 did Don Dickinger blow a 2 games to 0 lead or a 3 games to 1 lead???? No the Cardinals blew it & made Dickinger take the hit!!!!
Clemens was clearly in the wrong, but I do agree that umps these days do tend to have quick triggers when it comes to ejections these days as compared to the past.
Yes it's become a major issue with Umpires that have over-inflated egos and think they can do whatever they want including tossing players if they disagree with a call. I have to side with the announcer here, he should issue a warning then if he continues eject him. Simular to what the do what a batter is hit by a pitch unless it is obvious that was what the pitcher was going for was to hit the batter.
No warnings are necessary, to argue balls and strikes ends in ejection. That it was a play-off game doesn't matter. Roger is not in the HOF for a reason. Shame on CBS for calling for a suspension of the rules.
Charles Keller bro it’s the heat of the moment, it’s the playoffs, and it was a strike anyway. People don’t pay thousands and fly across the country to see an umpire, they pay to see Roger Clemens. If Clemens decides to sandbag, that’s on him, but the ump at least has to give him the chance. I don’t even think what Clemens was doing was a formal argument, he was basically saying “fuck you” from the mound. The ump clearly has very thin skin because there was no need to even acknowledge this behavior
Jack Son he had to quit umpiring due to death threats so they were trying to rehabilitate his name in the media so that people would forget about the call. It didn’t work and all it did was bring more attention. It’s such a shame because if replay had been allowed in 1985 it never would have happened
When a player is ejected and refuses to leave the dugout they should give one warning then start tossing the manager and on down until the player has left. Game goes on even if 1 or 2 are the only ones left on the team.
John Stilwell I might agree, except for the fact that the only way to get to the clubhouse was a path that took one near to the crowd. But I think even the umpires realized they had gone too far. They let Joe Morgan get away with a lot, and they did nothing about all the stuff tossed onto the field. And the American League would never allow an ALCS game be decided on a forfeit, which is what your solution would have amounted to. No matter what Denkinger said, the fact is that ejections in the postseason are rare. When Earl Weaver (who else?) was ejected in a World Series game (late sixties or early seventies), it was the first ejection of a manager in a World Series since 1935! Again, not defending Roger, but the smarter reaction from the umpire (who had blown one of those two calls) would have been to go out, dust off the plate, and tell the catcher to get out to the mound, and tell Clemens that if he so much as glared at the ump, he would immediately be tossed. That would be his only warning. You might still have to eject him, but for the moment, it might have de-escalated the situation. Certainly the catcher would do everything he could to keep his starter in the game, and the fact is that fans want to see the best players (on both teams) playing in the biggest games.
Alex Sweet they were trying to rehabilitate his name in the media because he was getting death threats and had to quit umpiring. It didn’t work. Shows you how replay could have changed that guy’s life if they had allowed it back then
The thing about Clemens that people need to understand is what a diva he was. Seriously, he complained he had to carry his own luggage at the airport, he said Fenway was a "subpar" facility, and not only that, but he had clauses put into later contracts that said he did not have to travel with the team if he wasn't scheduled to pitch. It's a shame, because Clemens should have had a no-nonsense manager like Jim Leyland who wouldn't have put up with his shit.
the Clemens meltdown begins at 7:10 when an inside pitch to Willie Randolph is called a strike, and then is followed by a pitch in the same location that's called a ball...
@@e2go the first one was borderline and called a strike. The second one was clearly a strike and called a ball so yeah Clemens had a strong case for calling the ump out.
@@anthonycarr5514 Dude, it was a joke! Jeez, I'm not an angry person. But my biggest problem seems to be that I'm not as funny as I think I am. Actually, my profession is mathematician, not "remixer"
Now if you look at an umpire the wrong way and you’re gone. Imagine players saying you can’t throw a man out for arguing balls and strikes in a playoff game. 1990- times have changed-2023
If my ace got chucked I would be upset. If I were Barrett, I would have laid a beating on the coach that pulled him back into the dugout. If I were the owner, I would have fired the coach on the spot.
@@patrickgray5633 Umpire should’ve walked out and said “enough, any more and your ejected” but like most umpires they think they are the reason people show up to game. Just ask Joe West
This was before Mark McGwire admitted to taking steroids and Roger Clemens got busted for the same thing these two players along with Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa will not get inducted into the Hall of Fame along with Pete Rose
Umpires believe that baseball is all about them and the game only a backdrop to their presence. His calls were irratic and unprofessional, and its infuriating that they have created some kind mafia organization that keeps the most flagrantly bad umpires in the game.
Interesting how there are 3 former or future Red Sox players in Oakland's starting lineup: (1) Carney Lansford, (2) Ricky Henderson, and (3) Dave Henderson (yes, the same guy who hit those dramatic home runs in the playoffs against the Angels, and World Series against the Mets in 1986).
CrociatoAzzurro Saw it live on television. I don't think anyone could forget something this surreal. This moment goes right alongside Tyson biting Holyfield in the annals of, "Huh?"
I always remember the name of Rocky Roe because when I was a kid I genuinely thought his name was Rocky Road and that the ice cream was named after him.
The umpire was one of the reasons why I fell in love with the baseball as a kid.. it was something about how imposing the figure was behind the plate especially on the strike three call i still appreciate good animated umpire to this day
Let's face it. Terry Cooney after getting hit years earlier by Earl Weaver decided he ain't taking s--t from anyone! He showed everyone who's boss and Clemens learned the hard way.
@@shannonhondo260 Yeah it's definitely not what it used to be. The athletes might be better, but the sport has diminished and the emphasis on the game has diminished.
Their strategy in 1990 was to show fewer playoff games in prime time, and pre-empt afternoon soap operas to promote their then-third place prime time shows. The ratings were bad all day!
@@brianoneill7186 I don't think it had to with ratings. MLB used to always have both league championship series going on the same day. In fact, one series would actually be two games in before the other series would even start, so this was not uncommon.
@@OliveOyl12590 Yes, but the 1990 League Championship Series had more day games scheduled than there had been in previous years, and TV deals. CBS set that schedule.
@@brianoneill7186 CBS also had the NFL, too. When NBC had both MLB and NFL, sometimes they'd have regional coverage weekends giving FOX or CBS, depending on who had the NFC coverage, the Sunday doubleheader for that weekend. HERE'S THE EDIT: During those weekends when NBC had MLB Championship games, ABC would probably have a west coast matchup on Monday Night Football and you'd see some of the AFC West teams hosting NFC teams on that Sunday to relieve NBC of having to worry about any late games during that time.
Very sharp! Glad you picked up he was there. I was at Fenway when John homered over the Green Monster, which was most likely his last Major League home run.
KHayes666 1984. When Temple played at NCAA regional in my hometown, I was playing Konami Track and Field at the local arcade. This big dude wearing Temple gear comes in with a couple of his teammates. Little did I know until the next day when he was behind the plate for the Owls that I went at it with John Marzano. He put on a home run clinic but didn't have much of a supporting cast. Michigan (who won the regional) was loaded. Some guy by the name of Barry Larkin put on an even bigger clinic. John Marzano was a cool dude. RIH.
@@jimmyjam209 1990 is not the "steroid era". Steroid era is kind of a myth in the sense that steroids wasn't the reason the league hit alot of HRS....they juiced the ball in 93/94 and HRS stayed around the same rate for 20 yrs after. Baseball in 1991 and 1992 was a different game.
Maybe he did, but what happened to the Cards in the LAST game of the series? They sucked rocks BIG TIME. Guess the Card's didn't think they should have to actually PLAY the last game, did they. Seems they were WRONG, weren't they.......
Obviously,there was a lot of frustration going on with the Red Sox being down 3-0 and it probably has gotten to Clemens and the Sox at that time. Thankfully,2004 erased all the frustration.
Yea...the ump shouldn't be thin-skinned but Clemens should know better to not say anything to risk an ejection in a playoff game. No idea what was said, but I'm guessing Clemens crossed a line and that's why he got tossed.
Man, back in these days you had to wait til end of inning to see the score. You would cut game on and have no idea of the score. Also our 22” tv’s were filled completely up with just the game. Now my 65” tv is taken up by a bottom line, score, launch angle, WAR etc., and the screen is about 22” of game. Haha.
@@METALITHrevetments Cooney worked until mid-1992. He had bad knees and was hit by a line drive while working third base. That injured his knee and forced him to retire at age 59. He was a state correctional officer before he became an umpire.
I was taken from my home by my mom and forced to go school shopping that afternoon. I kept walking by the tvs and couldn't understand why clemens was getting thrown out, the volumes were all down. I miss those days.
I was at this game. I told my friend before the game started that there would be controversy involving Terry Cooney. He was the worst Ump in the league at the time. Combine that with hot head Clemens and you get the situation you had here.I enjoyed it very much.
How did this A’s team lose to the effing Reds? In a sweep! We had the best team in baseball and then traded for the NL batting champ at the August 31 waiver deadline! He still won the NL batting title despite missing the entire month of September.
Is this the same Clemens who threw that piece of the broken bat at Mike Piazza? If so, I do not feel one bit sorry for him getting tossed here. He must have had a horrible personality.
John Nastrom Those are all statistics and facts that serve to question the ‘loser’ tag. Try to keep up. If you believe he was a shitty person, a loser, in his personal life and his attitude on the field, fine. It’s your right to feel any way you want. But strictly speaking to his accomplishments on the diamond, he’s the furthest thing from a loser.
@@salamisumo2 and a piece of s*** human being the guy is The Biggest Loser if I seen him I would punch him in the face myself. Rodger Clemens is the biggest piece of Filth on the Earth the only person worse is Barry Bonds As baseball plays
This is my childhood right here. Not my favorite teams, but I knew who everyone was. Great time to be a fan. Big names everywhere.
Now let's get an expert opinion from Don Denkinger, who fucked up the 1985 World Series with his own shitty call.
right? i was 6 when that happened and i knew at the time how fucked it was!
And then worked the plate for Game 7.
cardinals fans are still bitching about Denkinger/ So funny. How did that 2015 NLDS ass kicking by the Cubs taste?
i think the other 19 N.L. Pennants more than make up for it. Besides, you Cub fans still blaming Bartman for the 2003 fiasco?
+bryanw91178 hsha. ya, and Ron Cey's clearly FOUL ball. Cubs fans among the top worst in MLB
there is some opening music that takes me back to when my life was somewhat stress free
Man you ain't kiddin
I thought the same thing as soon as this video started to play. Glad you said it!
I hear ya man. When a guy was full of piss and vinegar and a nice breeze would make the old trouser monster stand straight up lol. No internet tough guys back then either.Now we have agendas and people with a thorn up their ass thinking the world somehow owes them a favor. Simpler times indeed.
@@peteandrepete528 You sound like a guy that's not only strong and rugged in person, but quite virile as well. I hope you've found a way to tame that monster of yours. "It" must be an impressive sight. You really give off a groovy vibe.
Whenever you feel stressed, please say these words:
"Dear God, thank you for my eyes, thank you for my ears, thank you for my hands, thank you for my feet, thank you for my heart....you are so good to me!"
Gabe, focus on your blessings please, not your problems. I love you but God loves you way more.
Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, Rickey Henderson, Jose Conseco, Mark McGuire, Dennis Eckersley, Tony Pena....man, it doesn’t get much better than that
Yes it does.
Neither team won the series.
Cincinnati won.
yeah it does how about the Indians
Alex Castro yes Sir.
You said it correctly.
'04 ALCS had some big names too...Jeter, Rivera, Pettite, A-Rod, Sheffield, Posada, Schilling, Pedro, Papi, Manny, Damon, Varitek
That's a lot of steroids.
When I was a kid my dad brought me to a pre-season game. After the game we stood out back to get autographs while the team got on their bus. All the dudes were nice, signing autographs, shaking hands, taking pictures. Clemens comes out and just starts yelling at all the kids "WATCH OUT, GET OUT MY WAY" and so on. Keep in mind we were behind barricades, so no one was really in his way. All of our dads just started talking shit to him back and he wanted to go after us kids and our dads. Fuck that dude.
Ok. When I was a kid Clemens came to see me in the hospital the day before I had heart surgery. He asked me if he could do anything and I asked him to come see me when it was over. Day after the surgery he showed up.
The next year at spring training in winter haven my dad brought me to a game and Roger was signing autographs. I waited and when it was my turn he immediately recognized me and remembered my name. He asked my dad where we were sitting and after about the 5th inning an usher cake and let us know that Mr Clemens invited us to one of the outer fields. He spent about 30 minutes with me playing catch and teaching me how to throw pitches.
I don’t doubt that he’s a hot head nor do I doubt your story. But he did so much more for me than I could ever expect. And I was far from the only one he did things like this for. We’re all flawed and at our worst moments but he taught me to give to people in need. I’ll always be thankful for that.
He's gotten a lil better. I think because he wants the Hall. I got a signed ball at a UT game.
Good for him.
Clemens when I met him was pure class giving fist pumps to everyone. Everyone has bad days I guess.
Never been a Clemens fan the rules were different for him compared to others. Mike Piazza should have charged the mound. None of the Yankees wanted to defend him throwing a piece of the broken bat at Piazza his excuse of saying "I thought it was the ball." Hello you throw a ball to first base not a runner.
Wow the ball 4 to Randolph was right over the plate...no wonder hes pissed.
me too, it was a great location too.
did you see Rickey Henderson's stance? He had a tiny strike zone.
@@16rumpole yep that's why Rickey should easily be the all time walks leader and was for a while. But Barry Bonds stole it from him when he started being walked all the time after he used steroids.
I mean right over the plate.....Clemens must have said something really fucked up OR Terry Cooney is an asshole.
@@dukedematteo1995 the latter
ah, 30 years ago. Things were FAR simpler in life.
phil, very true
no cell phones
Who'd have thought we'd be saying that the 90's were "the good old days"?
Yea but today I can shop anything from my bed. That's easy...
And now Covid19. You're damn right
Id like to hear more about Mike Gaellego's glove... Great job CBS
Ben Richer hahahahahahahahah. Classic comment. Did you know he has a practice glove?
I didn't think idiotic comments like that by announcers went back as far as 1990. It's hard to believe Jim Gray actually got paid to deliver us absolutely useless nonsense like this.
Also, it takes the announcers almost two minutes to realize that Clemens had been ejected. So, they're not watching the action closely, and no one else in the back room saw it and told them in their ear what's going on. Everyone at home saw it, but the people making thousands of dollars to describe the action both do not see what's going on right in front of them.
I did NOT need to hear about Mike Gallego being a "leather freak."
CBS’ baseball production was a huge drop-off from NBC and even ABC. NBC’s Game of the Week was the best, esp. with Vin and Joe. Not exactly an original observation but NBC was so good at presenting baseball in the 80’s.
Well on the bright side, at least this didn't involve umpire Angel Hernandez. lol
No doubt about it.
The amount of steroids on that field is insane.
Even the umps look juiced ;)
I personally dont care, it made better baseball and if guys want to take the chance on harming their bodies to gain, hey go for it. Obviously I understand the reasons for not allowing it, but its just my personal opinion.
1990? Nah. It was just basically Canseco and maybe McGwire back then. It didn't become more wide spread until after the strike.
So frustrating, all the MLB needed to do back then aside from the obvious of instituting random PED testing for everyone .....was at least looking into guys like Canseco that were obvious. Hell Boston fans were chanting "Steroids" at him, then he flexed to the crowd 🤣( Alpha move by the way) MLB shoulda looked into it and demanded a steroid test or something. They do that and the message would be clear....blatant steroid use won't be tolerated, and would fuck up your reputation and money. Instead they did nothing, and in effect there was no rule against steroids since no one was tested, investigated or even mildly rebuked out of the public eye. No one said or did anything; not the MLB, not the PA, not the fans, and not the media. PEDs were de facto greenlighted.....thats why I don't really blame 90s guys for using or curse them for their lack of "integrity"....rule isn't really a rule if there's absolutely zero enforcement nor a stigma against breaking it.
The MLBPA didn't want random testing for recreational drugs bc everyone was doing blow and amphetamines back in the 80s and 90s
@@davidca96 I don't think any of the 90s users owe any1 an apology for anything. There was no testing, no oversight, no questions ever asked by the MLB. On top of that fans and media didn't care or said anything it's not really a rule if it's totally unenforced and unacknowledged by all parties involved
But remember Tony La Russa had no idea it was going on, you believe that you can be sold on anything.
Haha. The second pitch was closer to the strike zone than the first and was called a ball.
Day Baseball for the playoffs How I miss them
There are plenty of day games in the postseason.
There are no day games in the LCS anymore. Such a shame.
You’re not the only one.
@@johndfw8680 Yes there are. Whenever there are two LCS games on the same day, one is a day game. I suppose it could be a late start like 5:00 if it's on the east coast, but there were day games @ Dodger Stadium last year. Just the World Series is always in prime time, as it should be.
I think during the CBS era, the day games started @ 3 ET, which would have been noon in Oakland.
I agree that throwing out a starting pitcher in a game like this is ridiculous. However, Clemens has to have some degree of self control knowing what is on the line
Let's just be glad Clemens didn't throw a bat at an umpire, or something like that. Early in his career or late in his career, Clemens was always a showboating hothead with an ego of eggshells.
This was the first year I fell in love with baseball, I was 11. Thankfully I only had to go through 13 years of heartache before the curse was broken, but I remember this sting all too well.
Ol boy
And you had to wait for commercial to see what the score was if you turned the game on after it started
lol true
That must have sucked for people who had to leave the house, and couldn't even turn on the game to see the score..
I hated that. You’d come in to watch the middle of the game and you know nothing. Love the intro music.
"He's a leather freak, back to you Jim"
Thanks DICK🤣
If this game occurred at Fenway Park, there's a good chance fans would be throwing trash on the field.
No, the fans would have been ON the field.
The only time the fans go on the field at Fenway Park is after we won a World Series haven't you been paying attention lately when we won all those World Series and you didn't.
well no mistaking you are Irish as hell...wear that proudly
If it was Yank-Me stadium and this happened to the Yank-Me’s...the fans would have been shooting at the umpires.
Cooney wouldn’t have thrown Roger out at fenway
The way this story is talked about now.....its completely blamed on Clemens, but in real time everyone seemed to think the ump was way out of line for ejecting an ace during a playoff game.
that's true because at the time Clemens was a very respected pitcher who had struck out 20 Mariners in a game and had won multiple Cy Young awards. Jump ahead 10 years later and he was a cheating steroid goon.
@@johnmongani5223 thats true....the writers really seem to be into this retroactive moral preening about steroids during a time no one gave a shit(including the writers) about steroids.....Its like being really really upset now in 2020 that a white guy in 1890s Georgia was racist.
At least 62% of the writers(ones that vote for him) seem to have functional brains....the rest are just old crotchety holier than thou types that somehow think Harold Baines should be a HOFer, but the HR King and the guy with the best pitching career of the last century shouldn't....theres a reason those cowards want their votes kept private.
@@johnmongani5223 I just hate retroactive moralizing like this. 1990 Clemens doesn't magically become wrong (or deserving of ejection in postseason) bc his reputation has sucked for the last 13 years.
Im not saying you're doing that, but its something people do that just drives me nuts.
@@dukedematteo1995 well put
I always thought Clemens got himself tossed on purpose. He was on his way to getting dusted and with his huge ego he didn't want to get blown out in an elimination game.
That is what I read in Jeff Peralman's book about Clemens
CBS interviewed Clemens when he got to the clubhouse and he said he was going to ice his arm down and be ready to start tomorrow if the Sox won (they were down 3-0). I remember hoping they would win to see what happened in Game 5, but it didn't happen.
Roger "mis-remembered" he's not in charge of strike zone. Dave Stewart beat his ass every-time they matched up.
Jose rio kicked Dave Stewart's ass everytime. Lol
That ball 4 to Randolph was right over the plate....like directly over.
See why he was pissed.
Not an excuse for using foul language, but the ball was right over the plate.
The pitch before that was called a strike but looked high and in, Randolph looked back at Cooney on that one like wtf then took “ball 4” which was indeed a strike. Roger wasn’t looking too good so maybe he did jack his jaws for an ejection. Well he sure got it!
Thanks for the upload, I forgot all about this. I remember watching this when I was 8 with my Dad.
Sometimes umpires miss calls. And these misses can and do affect the outcome of very crucial games. The calls on Randolph in this video most certainly did look like strikes. And the umpire should have at least given a warning. The ump should have handled it better.
The first game I ever went to was in Oakland with a Stewart/Clemens matchup. A’s won 1-0. Stewart threw 134 pitches in a CG SO. Absolute perfection. August 30, 1988.
The refusal of any ump in the 80's or 90's to call a strike above the belt was hilarious.
It ruined the game actually and led to the current average game time of over 3 hours.
They also thought the plate was 21” - 25” wide (it’s 17”).
@@mahasw777 especially if a guy named Greg Maddux or Tom Glavine pitched....
18"
Arguing? Looks like taunting to me.
Stewart later said he thought Clemens realized he had nothing that day and was going to get beat, and intentionally got himself ejected so he'd have that as a fig leaf when his team lost. He added something like "Same old Roger Clemens, never coming through for his team when it counts the most." Not a lot of respect there. He did dominate head-to-head match-ups with Clemens over the years.
All these years later, and the A's still play in that dump.
I watched this happen live. He was the best pitcher in BB & I was pissed I wouldn't see him pitch.
Everybody missed it when Clemens got tossed - the CBS cameras, announcers, even the Oakland fans didn't react immediately. You'd think that a cataclysmic event like Roger Clemens being ejected from a postseason game in the 2nd inning would have been a major meltdown type deal, but nobody realized it at the time it happened.
it would've been fun had he been pitching for the NYY at Yankees Stadium in a WS game.
Now THERE's anarchy waiting to happen.
Roger Clemens is in Steinbrenner’s booth!!!!
GOODNESS GRACIOUS
I laugh hysterically everytime I think about that moment.
Burnin Embers Official Somehow he reminds me of Nolan Ryan.
you wanna laugh
@@williamsanders2348 youtube to opie and anthony george Steinbrenner box
At least get it right. Fuckin idiot
RAWJAH
The A's were in the process of knocking him out of the game anyway!!!
His fastballs did look flat that day
Malcolm Baldwin he wasn’t trying he knew they were gonna lose the series. He probably got ejected on purpose
Yep. He F Bombed the umpire multiple times. No warnings get out.
Kinda hard when fastballs directly over the plate are called balls about 7 times.
Cooney was an asshole and Denkinger was an expert at blowing big calls himself.
I was 15 years old and man o man what a time to be alive!!
I’ve always been a Red Sox fan, but in 1988 and 1990, the A’s just had a much better team. Indeed, the surprising aspect about that dominant A’s team is that they only won one World Series Championship in that period. The Dodgers beat them in ‘88, and the Reds in ‘90.
Mark Cianfarani The Gibson home run definitely was a huge factor. Very dramatic, coming off the bench, barely able to walk. But Dodgers pitcher Orel Hershiser (not sure on the spelling) was just about unhittable in that Series also.
The Reds were a lot better team than people realized.
@@johnfitzpatrick3094 Th '88 Dodgers were, but the '90 Reds weren't that much better. Cincy should have won at least 100 in the NL West that year. Then they beat the "perennially striking-out in playoff games" Pirates. The A's had more of a mental edge in '89, after the '88 loss. In 1990, they seemingly took a nap for a week after sweeping Boston, and acted like the WS was over as soon as they arrived. Well, it was...
@@brianoneill7186, I agree with the last part, but the Reds also had stiff competition from the Dodgers and Giants. They also had a lights out bullpen.
@Kevin Michael Agreed. It was the last two games, where the Dodger starting lineup had been depleted by injuries, that were surprising, particularly Game4, when sloppiness and a couple of errors killed the A's. The Reds in 1990 were fortunate get the sweep, before the loss of Hatcher and Davis could hurt them too much.
If you read his lips, the first thing he says is "I'm not fucking talking to you". He probably was talking to himself in anger and the ump thought he was talking to him initially, but telling the ref "I'm not fucking talking to you" probably wasn't the best way to explain himself
18:22 The voice from heaven
you were close. Roy Steele nickname was "the voice of God".
I think he died like a week ago.
I miss when you had to win your division to make the playoffs. It truly meant something to be in the playoffs then, although I think the Sox only won 89 games that year.
Vince Smith-Back in the day before expansion, a team had to win its league pennant to get to the postseason (World Series).
90
I don't miss those days at all. I'm a Jays fan, after the mid 90s when the Yankees and Red Sox started buying up all star teams, I knew in April my team wasn't making playoffs no matter how good they looked on paper. Lots of years in there when the Jays could have won the central or west, but were doomed to miss the playoffs in the east.
An expanded playoff actually gives fans in most markets something to look forward to on any given year. It's far better for keeping an interest in the game.
1:10...Boston actually broke that record, losing 15 straight games from 1986-1999 (last two vs Mets 86 WS, all eight vs A's in 1988/90 ALCS, three vs Cleveland in 1995 ALDS and first two vs Cleveland in 1999 ALDS) before improbably coming back from down 0-2 to beat Cleveland in the 1999 ALDS.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot not exactly. In 1998 ALDS Boston won Game 1 vs Cleveland, losing the series 3 games to 1. Total losing streak was only(!) 13 games, then another 5 game losing streak before game 3 the following year.
@@virolo1960 Great call. I totally spaced on the 98 team.
@@virolo1960True!!!
A strike zone that changes on every pitch, that will drive a pitcher crazy.
Let's go back to the studio to get the perspective of the umpire who blew the 1985 World Series for St. Louis, and who that entire team - led by Joaquin Andujar - tried to kill in Game 7. LMAO
Was it Dickingers fault Jack Clark dropped a pop up, was Dickingers fault Todd Worrell & Darrell Porter allowed wild pitch or passed ball, did Don Dickinger allow the game winning hit, did Don Dickinger get destroyed in Game 7 did Don Dickinger blow a 2 games to 0 lead or a 3 games to 1 lead???? No the Cardinals blew it & made Dickinger take the hit!!!!
Out of all of the pro sports in the U.S., the officiating is the worst in MLB.
11:22 best name ever for a baseball player 😌
Don Denkinger , The Umpire STL Cardinals fans including myself love to hate.
Interesting to have him as commentator. Had I been him after 1985, I would have gone into exile
Clemens was clearly in the wrong, but I do agree that umps these days do tend to have quick triggers when it comes to ejections these days as compared to the past.
Yes it's become a major issue with Umpires that have over-inflated egos and think they can do whatever they want including tossing players if they disagree with a call. I have to side with the announcer here, he should issue a warning then if he continues eject him. Simular to what the do what a batter is hit by a pitch unless it is obvious that was what the pitcher was going for was to hit the batter.
This is the past. Lol.
This game was 31 years ago
What I meant to say was that quick triggers like this one wasn’t as common as they are today.
Those A's teams during that stretch in the late 80's to early 90's were so good..
Roids
Take away the roids.... And let's talk,,,
If they were more focused, the A’s could have gotten more than the title they won in 1989.
@@veledajohnson1511 everybody was on roids.
No warnings are necessary, to argue balls and strikes ends in ejection. That it was a play-off game doesn't matter. Roger is not in the HOF for a reason. Shame on CBS for calling for a suspension of the rules.
Charles Keller bro it’s the heat of the moment, it’s the playoffs, and it was a strike anyway. People don’t pay thousands and fly across the country to see an umpire, they pay to see Roger Clemens. If Clemens decides to sandbag, that’s on him, but the ump at least has to give him the chance. I don’t even think what Clemens was doing was a formal argument, he was basically saying “fuck you” from the mound. The ump clearly has very thin skin because there was no need to even acknowledge this behavior
using Denkinger, the one known for the biggest blown call in the playoffs ever??
Jack Son
Exactly, that call by Denkinger flipped the entire series on its ear.
Jack Son he had to quit umpiring due to death threats so they were trying to rehabilitate his name in the media so that people would forget about the call. It didn’t work and all it did was bring more attention. It’s such a shame because if replay had been allowed in 1985 it never would have happened
When a player is ejected and refuses to leave the dugout they should give one warning then start tossing the manager and on down until the player has left. Game goes on even if 1 or 2 are the only ones left on the team.
John Stilwell I might agree, except for the fact that the only way to get to the clubhouse was a path that took one near to the crowd. But I think even the umpires realized they had gone too far. They let Joe Morgan get away with a lot, and they did nothing about all the stuff tossed onto the field. And the American League would never allow an ALCS game be decided on a forfeit, which is what your solution would have amounted to.
No matter what Denkinger said, the fact is that ejections in the postseason are rare. When Earl Weaver (who else?) was ejected in a World Series game (late sixties or early seventies), it was the first ejection of a manager in a World Series since 1935!
Again, not defending Roger, but the smarter reaction from the umpire (who had blown one of those two calls) would have been to go out, dust off the plate, and tell the catcher to get out to the mound, and tell Clemens that if he so much as glared at the ump, he would immediately be tossed. That would be his only warning.
You might still have to eject him, but for the moment, it might have de-escalated the situation. Certainly the catcher would do everything he could to keep his starter in the game, and the fact is that fans want to see the best players (on both teams) playing in the biggest games.
John Stilwell Manager was already tossed
Or file a report after the game and get him penalized instead of wasting time on something that's irrelevant.
11:13 Cooney had an inconsistent strike zone but it didn't favor either team. BOTH were getting good and bad calls.
Umpires have to much leeway to do what they want that needs to be taken away
Clemens also threw a cracked bat at Mike Piazza 10 years later
He beamed Piazza in the head during the regular season
Met fans will never get over that lmao.
And they never should (Even though I'm not a Mets' fan.). Clemens is a POS.
mrpatt1983 shouldn’t they be more mad that they lost the World Series that year?
Jay Stevens Why? Mets lost the World Series, I’d be more pissed about that then pussy Piazza doing nothing about Clemens
Plate Umpire Terry Cooney passed away at the age of 88. RIP Terry (1933-2022).
@7:35 That's a strike, blue.
Don Denkinger as an expert umpire...unbelieveable!
Alex Sweet they were trying to rehabilitate his name in the media because he was getting death threats and had to quit umpiring. It didn’t work. Shows you how replay could have changed that guy’s life if they had allowed it back then
@@TheLocalLt doing his fucking job could've changed it too
So because he made a mistake in a game, he's not an expert?
The steroid boy and his tantrums...Clemens can't pull his bully act against these umpires...
Was Jim Gray ever young???? Looks like he's been 55 forever
Lmao I thought the same thing. When he was born, he was already fully vested with three networks.
Nah. He looks young, but his hairline is receding.
When men lose their hair, it usually happens in their 20s or 30s.
The thing about Clemens that people need to understand is what a diva he was. Seriously, he complained he had to carry his own luggage at the airport, he said Fenway was a "subpar" facility, and not only that, but he had clauses put into later contracts that said he did not have to travel with the team if he wasn't scheduled to pitch. It's a shame, because Clemens should have had a no-nonsense manager like Jim Leyland who wouldn't have put up with his shit.
KOHF34 Fenway is a dump
that's not a team member
Clemons was an arrogant asshole.
@@albundy6008 Not was....IS
the Clemens meltdown begins at 7:10 when an inside pitch to Willie Randolph is called a strike, and then is followed by a pitch in the same location that's called a ball...
@John Mongani You mean two perfect pitches right over the plate? He should've been pissed. Terrible umpiring.
@@e2go the first one was borderline and called a strike. The second one was clearly a strike and called a ball so yeah Clemens had a strong case for calling the ump out.
I was sitting in bleachers in this game. That's the game we walked around the coliseum with our brooms! Sweep!!
Anthony Carr It was kind of you to then give your brooms to the Reds.
Ouch!
@@anthonycarr5514 Some of you Oakland dummies had mops, because they don't know the difference
José Hunter's EW&F Remixes Why the hate, Jose? If it’s remixes and such that you do, I would think a better attitude would probably help.
@@anthonycarr5514 Dude, it was a joke! Jeez, I'm not an angry person. But my biggest problem seems to be that I'm not as funny as I think I am.
Actually, my profession is mathematician, not "remixer"
Terry Cooney must have had a bad day leading up to this game. Throwing the rocket out for that was weak.
During one of the games in this series the Fenway crowd serenaded Canseco with chants of “Steroids, steroids.”
and then Jose and The A's swept the Red Sox.
@@tomgoode3658 lol I'm not a Sox fan. Orange and Black all the way!;-)
@@mikesmith-pj7xz I'm a Red Sox Lifer since 1975. Sox looked like SD Jones VS King Kong Bundy both times they were swept by The A's.
@@tomgoode3658 I feel your pain. Those A's were a beast. My Giants got whooped by the A's:-(
Meanwhile Roger was jacked.
Now if you look at an umpire the wrong way and you’re gone. Imagine players saying you can’t throw a man out for arguing balls and strikes in a playoff game. 1990- times have changed-2023
Am I the only one getting a kick out of Marty Barrettt going berserk in the dug out rather than Morgan and Clemens' tirades?
If my ace got chucked I would be upset. If I were Barrett, I would have laid a beating on the coach that pulled him back into the dugout. If I were the owner, I would have fired the coach on the spot.
Clemens was the best at what he done he’s forever my all time favorite player.
Not a roger fan but that pitch was a strike
Yes but Clemens was very stupid use your head getting ejected in a elimination playoff game you can't do that.
Nope. Gave em a strike. Threw the same exact pitch. Called it a ball. No consistancy for the hitter and the pitcher. Drives players nuts.
@@patrickgray5633 Umpire should’ve walked out and said “enough, any more and your ejected” but like most umpires they think they are the reason people show up to game.
Just ask Joe West
This is hilarious. Clemens is tossed at 8:11 and no one seems to get it, not the fans or the announcers.
This was before Mark McGwire admitted to taking steroids and Roger Clemens got busted for the same thing these two players along with Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa will not get inducted into the Hall of Fame along with Pete Rose
He's big here. Bigger than the other players by far.
Umpires believe that baseball is all about them and the game only a backdrop to their presence. His calls were irratic and unprofessional, and its infuriating that they have created some kind mafia organization that keeps the most flagrantly bad umpires in the game.
When baseball was great.
@todd long hardly
Interesting how there are 3 former or future Red Sox players in Oakland's starting lineup: (1) Carney Lansford, (2) Ricky Henderson, and (3) Dave Henderson (yes, the same guy who hit those dramatic home runs in the playoffs against the Angels, and World Series against the Mets in 1986).
And Oakland closer Dennis Eckersley was a former Red Sox starter
Clemens= Juicer
I'm not lying but I really did watch this game LIVE when it happened and definitely remember this incident.
CrociatoAzzurro Saw it live on television. I don't think anyone could forget something this surreal. This moment goes right alongside Tyson biting Holyfield in the annals of, "Huh?"
None of us should ever know the name of any umpire. Period.
Lol, so true. The only ones I can name are the worst of the bunch. Angel Hernandez, Joe West, Bob Davidson, CB Bucknor, etc
Why??
I always remember the name of Rocky Roe because when I was a kid I genuinely thought his name was Rocky Road and that the ice cream was named after him.
The umpire was one of the reasons why I fell in love with the baseball as a kid.. it was something about how imposing the figure was behind the plate especially on the strike three call i still appreciate good animated umpire to this day
Let's face it. Terry Cooney after getting hit years earlier by Earl Weaver decided he ain't taking s--t from anyone! He showed everyone who's boss and Clemens learned the hard way.
No ads behind home plate. :)
I remember when Bull Durham came out and they had ads all over the field. It was hilarious in the movie cause it was so off the wall. Now its reality
@@shannonhondo260 I stopped watching modern baseball because of the ads.
@@taekwondotime sports is all about the money nowadays and it sux. I havent watched football or basketball in 10 years, sucky products
@@shannonhondo260 Yeah it's definitely not what it used to be. The athletes might be better, but the sport has diminished and the emphasis on the game has diminished.
I remember watching this game on TV when I was 13 years old. Clemens shoulda been warned before being thrown out.
The only thing CBS was worried about was their ratings
Their strategy in 1990 was to show fewer playoff games in prime time, and pre-empt afternoon soap operas to promote their then-third place prime time shows. The ratings were bad all day!
@@brianoneill7186 I don't think it had to with ratings. MLB used to always have both league championship series going on the same day. In fact, one series would actually be two games in before the other series would even start, so this was not uncommon.
@@OliveOyl12590 Yes, but the 1990 League Championship Series had more day games scheduled than there had been in previous years, and TV deals. CBS set that schedule.
@@brianoneill7186 CBS also had the NFL, too. When NBC had both MLB and NFL, sometimes they'd have regional coverage weekends giving FOX or CBS, depending on who had the NFC coverage, the Sunday doubleheader for that weekend.
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During those weekends when NBC had MLB Championship games, ABC would probably have a west coast matchup on Monday Night Football and you'd see some of the AFC West teams hosting NFC teams on that Sunday to relieve NBC of having to worry about any late games during that time.
I remember bill king saying "stewart has always gotten into clemens head"
@19:28
RIP John Marzano
Very sharp! Glad you picked up he was there.
I was at Fenway when John homered over the Green Monster, which was most likely his last Major League home run.
KHayes666 1984. When Temple played at NCAA regional in my hometown, I was playing Konami Track and Field at the local arcade.
This big dude wearing Temple gear comes in with a couple of his teammates. Little did I know until the next day when he was behind the plate for the Owls that I went at it with John Marzano.
He put on a home run clinic but didn't have much of a supporting cast. Michigan (who won the regional) was loaded. Some guy by the name of Barry Larkin put on an even bigger clinic.
John Marzano was a cool dude. RIH.
The 3-1 pitch to Randolph is creepy. Having Don Denkinger offer his "expertise" is hilarious.
Roger Clemens & Tony La Russa are a lot alike. When they or their team did something wrong it's always someone elses fault.
That is Tony diverting attention off his team. The guy is the greatest manager of the steroid era.
Joe Torre was like that as well.
@@jimmyjam209 1990 is not the "steroid era".
Steroid era is kind of a myth in the sense that steroids wasn't the reason the league hit alot of HRS....they juiced the ball in 93/94 and HRS stayed around the same rate for 20 yrs after. Baseball in 1991 and 1992 was a different game.
@jimmyjam209 yeah he also said he had no idea his guys were juicing you believe that you can be sold on anything in the world.
The trigger was definitely quick, especially for a playoff game, but Roger still earned it. I don't have any sympathy for him.
we had no chance in this series so at least the ejection made it entertaining....don dinkinger screwed cards in 85 ws
Maybe he did, but what happened to the Cards in the LAST game of the series? They sucked rocks BIG TIME. Guess the Card's didn't think they should have to actually PLAY the last game, did they. Seems they were WRONG, weren't they.......
The AL East was awful that season. It was the AL West in 1990 that had some teams that were World Series contenders (White Sox for example).
Obviously,there was a lot of frustration going on with the Red Sox being down 3-0 and it probably has gotten to Clemens and the Sox at that time. Thankfully,2004 erased all the frustration.
Sadly that would be another 14 year wait.
Character Deficient Clemens
"Strike and ball zone." Never heard it called that before.
Typical Dick Stockton, who made every baseball game sound like Larry Bird was driving for a layup in crunch time.
In a game like this you shouldn't throw out the pitcher? Where does that come from?
Their rear end
when a player uses profanity the ejection is automatic, playoff game or not.
Yea...the ump shouldn't be thin-skinned but Clemens should know better to not say anything to risk an ejection in a playoff game. No idea what was said, but I'm guessing Clemens crossed a line and that's why he got tossed.
I was there, still have the ticket stub, 20 dollars bleachers. It was crazy seeing Clemens rung up in that first inning.
anyone remember the refrigerator sized strike zone they used to give smoltz during playoff games?
Man, back in these days you had to wait til end of inning to see the score. You would cut game on and have no idea of the score. Also our 22” tv’s were filled completely up with just the game. Now my 65” tv is taken up by a bottom line, score, launch angle, WAR etc., and the screen is about 22” of game. Haha.
At 14:38: Brain-dead announcer Dick Stockton mispronounces Denkinger's name just minutes after the correct pronunciation was made.
Autodidact2 plus everyone should have already known his name from his blown call in 1985
And 1975 wasn’t his first playoff assignment. 1972 ALCS was.
"We just don't have warnings." Denkinger cut through all of the reporters' bullshit.
Cooney was a terrible ump... his strike zone was so inconsistent
Doesn't matter Clemens was way outta line.
Yes he was.
Cooney was not a good umpire and I believe that the AL retired him the following season.
@@METALITHrevetments Cooney worked until mid-1992. He had bad knees and was hit by a line drive while working third base. That injured his knee and forced him to retire at age 59. He was a state correctional officer before he became an umpire.
I was taken from my home by my mom and forced to go school shopping that afternoon. I kept walking by the tvs and couldn't understand why clemens was getting thrown out, the volumes were all down. I miss those days.
I was at this game. I told my friend before the game started that there would be controversy involving Terry Cooney. He was the worst Ump in the league at the time. Combine that with hot head Clemens and you get the situation you had here.I enjoyed it very much.
Who won the game ?
The A's swept that series.
It's funny how most of the announcers were taking Clemens side at the time. Cooney must have been a known asshole.
How did this A’s team lose to the effing Reds? In a sweep! We had the best team in baseball and then traded for the NL batting champ at the August 31 waiver deadline! He still won the NL batting title despite missing the entire month of September.
This is the problem with people like Joe West and Cooney. They think people come to see them.
... and people like you want to see a non-stop brawl instead of a baseball game!
@@autodidact2499 Your point?
Ah yes, Terry Cooney one of the fastest umpires to eject players and managers, but Angel Hernandez makes Terry Cooney look like a saint!
Damn, Clemens had roid rage that far back?
Yeah he looked pretty juiced
@rjm what does that have to do with Clemens roid rage?
@rjm huh? That makes zero sense and has nothing to do with him doing steroids
When umpires weren't afraid of Roger Clemons.
Is this the same Clemens who threw that piece of the broken bat at Mike Piazza? If so, I do not feel one bit sorry for him getting tossed here. He must have had a horrible personality.
Yes he threw the bat also at the Met pitcher he's a dirty player he's a loser he's a steroid head the guy is a bum
kturob 7 Cy Youngs (all time record), 355 Wins, 3rd all time in Ks, AL MVP, 2 time WS winner. But yeah, total loser.
Motif -- and none of that is relevant to point we were making. Try not to think in such a one-dimensional manner.
John Nastrom Those are all statistics and facts that serve to question the ‘loser’ tag. Try to keep up.
If you believe he was a shitty person, a loser, in his personal life and his attitude on the field, fine. It’s your right to feel any way you want. But strictly speaking to his accomplishments on the diamond, he’s the furthest thing from a loser.
@@salamisumo2 and a piece of s*** human being the guy is The Biggest Loser if I seen him I would punch him in the face myself. Rodger Clemens is the biggest piece of Filth on the Earth the only person worse is Barry Bonds As baseball plays
Love the confidence from Dave Stewart.