Catholic Mass Facing East vs Facing the People
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
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In the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite of the Mass (the Latin Mass or Tridentine Mass), the priest offers Mass facing the same direction as the people, because he and the people together are offering worship and sacrifice to God. He is not "turning his back" on the people to exclude them. Rather, as a Christian community, are all facing ad orientem (i.e. toward the east) waiting in joyful expectation for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ who will return to judge the living and the dead.
In the Novus Ordo or Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite of the Mass, the priest faces Versus populum (Latin for "towards the people").
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I believe facing the people is a Protestant movement to take Christ out the center and put man as the center
***** the new mass does not call to face the people it is a practice that was adopted. I think you are wrong on the intension. It is a result of the issues not the cause of the issues. Even when the problem are dealt with special meaning is derived from facing the people.
well the cause of the issues is also part of this external practice. Vatican II never called for mass facing the people.
@Antonio Salieri - What about Calvinists, and the other 39.998 other Protestant sect?
@Justin Sicat - you do know that St. James liturgy taking on possibility of this form only came to be in the late 20 century, right? Versus populum is a new invention, and in general should not be done, that itself is extremely clear. Before 1990 st. James liturgy was also solely to the altar, and not the people.
Idolatry and ridiculous reasoning, God comes to us in the sacraments, the Priest acts as Gods servant and gives us his blessings and we give thanks back to God
Thanks for sharing! I'm gonna share this at my friends and I's Catholic hangout this weekend.
Versus populum is an innovation that should never have been done. For very good reasons ad orientem became the norm. Versus populum focuses way too much on the celebrant and is a Protestant innovation. For good reasons many Eastern Catholics and the Orthodox keep ad orientem.
When Christ faced the apostles during the last supper was that an innovation?
@@vivacristorey4363 oh here we go with the Last Supper. The Apostles were around the Table with Our Lord. The Apostles were the first bishops of the Church, not the congregation. Secondly, in a concelebration of the Divine Liturgy all concelebrants faced around the Altar. The ad orientem ("facing the East") was used so that the ENTIRE CONGREGATION and the (con)celebrant(s) are all facing the Lord on the Holy Altar. Facing the people was a Protestant innovation.
@@vivacristorey4363 you were not around when the Mass was in Latin and everyone faced the Altar. It was more reverent back then.
@@Garbanzo884 Well, I picture a painting from the last supper when I see the priest facing me. Perhaps it is an innovation. But as it stands now, since both are allowed by the magisterium, both are good - as the Church cannot err against faith and morals nor can she ask us to do something bad.
You say I wasn't around when the Mass was in Latin. You must mean when most parishes did it in Latin. I have seen both the Novus Ordo and the old form of the Mass done in Latin. I don't find it more or less reverent, but simply a different way of doing the liturgy. They both have pros and cons. As for before my time, I have been told by several who lived during "the good old days", and they gently imply that such is a fantasy of a generation that never knew it. In other words, there were, as in every time, many problems. The people who lived in those times wanted to make changes for a reason. In many places the priest rushed through the Mass. The old form today is celebrated very reverently because so few do it. It just happens to be that because of human nature, the mainstream liturgy is going to have abuses regardless of the form in many places.
If you prefer the old form then that is fine. But in the end, it is the magisterium that makes the final call on these things as to what liturgies are approved to celebrate and what direction the priest faces. And we owe respect to their office.
Look at Liturgical History. I'm not about to try to argue with someone who uses feelings instead of reason. There have been popes who were heretics (Honorius was twice condemned and John XXII was a heretic until his deathbed when he recanted his heresy), and there were times when most of the Church was wrong (Nestorian and other heresies). Ad orientem was mandated long ago for good reason. Versus populum has degraded to a form of entertainment. I left the Latin sidebecause of Post-V2 insanity.
Video gave biblical valid points on why to face east and gave a opinion with no biblical backing on why facing the people is okay.
I think it's lovely how both ways are describe as equally valid, and both with significant meaning. I prefer ad orientem (sp?) but then, it's not about me. I'm lucky enough to have access to a church where, depending on which Holy Mass one attends, the priests offers either way.
The East is the liturgical East which is the Altar. Therefore the priest whether he faces the people or turns towards the altar, he is still facing ad Orientum or in better words ad Deum ( Facing God) as the priest and the people focus on the Eucharistic Sacrifice on the Altar
Wait a minute, aren't the Altars of the Catholic church face East.? And the same applies to the dead burred facing East?
Carole St. louis Yes.
yup! Jesus probably celebrated Ad Orientum on Holy Thursday smh
Pronunciation of "shone"?
this is a?
Jesus saves only
Yes, and he saves you by following his word, not claiming to believe while doing whatever the heck you'd like, as Luther said with his faith alone.
@Catherine Engle - while we shouldn't jump to conclusions regarding his salvation,as God is the sole judge, I do hold great fear for the state of his soul.
The priest facing the people=The priest turning his back on God.
The New mass is a blasphemous and invalid ceremony.
A priest must be in "persona Christi" or in the person of Christ when celebrating mass, and when carrying out his priestly duties.This is precisely what the priest in the Latin mass does, and precisely why women can never be priests, women can never be in the person of Christ.
The "priests" in the Novus Ordo, as blasphemous as ever, celebrate mass in the narrative, destroying the very concept of "in persona Christi".They have reduced themselves to mere story tellers at mass.
Unfortunately, the new mass usually is valid, and that's what makes it so blasphemous/sacrilegious. However, because of the latter, it is illegitimate.
Thank you.
If God is omnipresent then how are they facing their back on God? If you're referring to the Blessed Sacrament then when the priest says "Dominus vobiscum" in the Traditional Mass rubrics he's facing his back towards God then too as he faces the congregation in that part.... all that said, bring back ad-orientum. It's an insult to have so many beautiful altars unused.
Smoked Pork Ribs He turns his back to the tabernacle because he is passing God’s blessing to the people, and because he is (again) in persona Christi. That being said, I too agree.
The new Mass is absolutely valid, but it isn’t the best we can do. At the very least, we must return to Ad Orientum.
There is Novus Ordo ad orientum.....you guys know that right?
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Fernando Salcedo What?