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A number of devotees say they feel called upon to serve God as priests, but the Vatican has never allowed female ordination to priesthood. Now, there's a growing movement to change this.
Over 200 women have chosen to take part in secret ordination services, despite knowing they will be excommunicated from the Church. BBC 100 Women follows two women who have been unofficially ordained in the US and Colombia. Is there a future for women priests? And can this change happen in our lifetime?
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Brilliant documentry. I have been asking this question all my life !! I an so pleased to see this. This will form part of my MA fine arts essay as I cant find many artists shouting about this issue ! Well done.
Can you stop telling lies and distorting the truth?
1 Tim. 2:11-12 says: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” If Paul says that I'm pretty sure he meant it.
So I guess their not Christians. They could convert to some other religion or just become atheist because they don't believe the Bible. That alone disqualifies them.
@@DX-jp7qd "Slaves, obey your earthly masters and strive to please them in all things." I guess Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass were not Christians.
Folks, this is what we call heresy
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
Pure heresy and it’s sad
Get the flamer, the heavy flamer.
Papacy is a heresy in general
@@sakellarioudimitris7439 How?
But what is a priesthood without the holy sacraments? It can only be an empty shell, a place for hopeful beliefs that can not be substantiated with an active sacramental life in Christ.
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
This
I have some news for you. Not only are they not priests, from the second they announce themselves as a Priest, they’re not even Catholic anymore.
True!
The Church has no authority to deviate from the example Jesus set. It's interesting that these women speak of their desire to be priests while at the same time speaking with disdain of the same institution they want to be part of.
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
I wonder, why specifically are women not allowed to become priests? I have met wonderful women priests and criminal men priests before. The first woman to ever exist, Eve, was made out of the first man to ever exist, Adam. Women and men are made of the same thing. Technically, women are an extension of men, therefore, by extension women should become priests as well.
@@keagaming9837I think it has something to do with eve being the first person to sin and tempting Adam to eat the apple. That’s just my theory though.
@@JayMenace61 Interesting theory! Honestly, it makes me wonder what would have happened if only Eve sinned and Adam had not, or what if both of them resisted the temptation from the evil snake.
@@keagaming9837 Same here, maybe the one gender who sinned would have been sent to earth? But god didn’t see them as man and female, he seen us as humans. Another thing is that Jesus could have also sent the one who sinned to hell, because there’s no point in putting them on earth because they wouldn’t reproduce and sustain the earth of humans. If they both hadn’t sinned, I would believe that the future of humanity would either all be living in Eden and we would all be family, or we just simply wouldn’t exist. It’s kind of weird because there’s so many different takes on what could happen and most of them make sense.
“….Father Ann…” No way Jose! 😂
Ultimately, however, what happened to Humanity does not matter. Like every other story, it was a temporary one; indeed long but ultimately ephemeral. It did not have a coherent ending, but then again it did not need to. The tale of Humanity was never its ultimate domination of a thousand galaxies, or its mysterious exit into the unknown. The essence of being human was none of that. Instead, it lay in the radio conversations of the still-human Machines, in the daily lives of the bizarrely twisted Bug Facers, in the endless love-songs of the carefree Hedonists, the rebellious demonstrations of the first true Martians, and in a way, the very life you lead at the moment
My thoughts exactly
Pure nonsense 😂😂😂😂. They are power hungry women
Need not call father, call mother or pastoral minister
Did she call herself Father Anne? Like I know shes not a priest no matter what she thinks she is but why did she use "Father" as her title if she is a woman?
We women have so many gifts to share. We need more opportunities to use those gifts, even in leadership roles, but we dont have to be priests to do this.
Or not, and priesthood
women aren’t leaders bruh
Not today, Satan.
Canon law states, if a woman celebrates the mask, she’s excommunicated Hunt, she’s not a catholic she’s a heretic
I like female zoo keepers, animals are cool.
I'm sorry, you might have the desire to become a Priest, but you simply can't. It is not the place of us mortals to overturn what has been established by the Lord, he didn't lay his hands on his women followers. That doesn't make them lesser to the men, the most important non-divine human figure is the Blessed Virgin who is obviously a woman.; it simply means it isn't God's will to have women priests for whatever reason he has so ordained (pun not intended)
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
- Romans 16:1
@@Fenix.1111 "Servant of the Church" doesn't mean priest or priestess. Is this not an Epistle of the same chap named Paul who people of a similar opinion to you call a sexist for his saying "women have no place to lecture in Church" (which, as proper understanding reveals, is not actually sexist).
I'd be perfectly willing to deem this passage, as well as the passage that follows in Romans 16:7 as one requiring debate if it wasn't for the fact that there has never been any mention of priestesses in the Early Church.
To go back to the passage itself, the operative word is "διάκονος", Diakonos. It refers to someone who happened to be a Priest in about 10% of its use in the Bible, this would not evidence one of those cases. I'm sure you'll notice the derivation of the word "Deacon" from this word and believe that women can become Deacons, to which I have to inform you that Diakonos refers to a "Deacon" in only a further 10% of cases within the Bible. In the vast majority of instances where the word "Diakonos" is used, it refers to "a person who ministers", which can easily refer to a preacher or server, perhaps a nun.
I'm sorry. You don't have it right at all. Jesus did not at all "lay hands" on male followers. Jesus did not 'establish' a church. The honor goes to Paul -- who never even knew Jesus personally. Not only was Jesus a practicing Jew, no one believed that Jesus was God when Jesus was alive. No one believed that Jesus had risen from the dead after he died. The Gospels (and there were MANY Gospels) weren't begun to be written down until after Paul completed all his Epistles (approx 70 AD), and some Catholic NT experts think that The Gospels weren't begun to be written down until 100 AD -- about 70 years after Jesus died. It is thought (by some) that The Gospels that we have today were written to coordinate with Paul's Epistles. Oh -- and The Gospels were not written by Matthew, Mark, etc. They are thought to have been written by "The Community of Matthew", etc. Even if The Gospels had begun to be written down in 70 AD, it is thought that Matthew, Mark, etc., were already dead by 70 AD. ONE LAST THING: One of the reasons that only men are Apostles is because women, in Jesus' time, weren't even considered fully human. In fact, The Church itself wouldn't think of women as fully human until sometime between 1200 AD and 1500 AD. Sorry -- I can't remember exactly.
@@FrancesRobinson-yn2ks To say Jesus didn’t lay his hands is to prove to me that you have yet to read the scriptures you intend to lecture me and the 2000 year old church on. There are several instances of the laying of hands for different reasons. One is found throughout the Gospels as Jesus blessed his Apostles with the laying of hands, a tradition they carried on to new believers in confirmation and to their successors in the Episcopate.
To say that nobody believed Jesus was God during the time of Jesus begs completely the question why he was crucified. Why was it that the Jewish authorities sought the punishment traditionally reserved for claiming to be God after Jesus claimed the ability to forgive sins (something reserved ENTIRELY to God), or when he claimed to be the Alpha and the Omega, or when he said that he is eternal in saying “Before Abraham was, I AM”? I ask you this very simple question, why was he executed if not for claiming divinity?
On the idea that nobody believed Christ rose from the dead, I ask two questions: on one, I’d ask what you have to say about the First Epistle of Saint Peter; and for the second, I’d ask what you have to say about the martyrdom of the Apostles. The First Epistle of Saint Peter, which was undoubtedly written by Peter (seeing as the first real objections to this came in the 1700s with the advent of a new school of Biblical criticism, and seeing as it was attested as being written by Peter from the very first mentions of the book), says “Praise be to the God and father of our LORD Jesus Christ! [another claim of divinity] In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead”, are you seriously going to say that they didn’t believe he rose? I further this on mention of the martyrdom of the Apostles: if they didn’t believe Christ rose from the dead, why did they die to testify that he did? The only logical possible explanations of the martyrdom are either that they were all duped or all insane, or Christ truly did rise from the dead. You’re not saying you think they’re insane, you’re going against every possible logic to say they knew but died for a laugh.
The Gospels (all FOUR of them) were written within a hundred years of the death of Jesus Christ. Decent scholars date Matthew to the late 50s to the early 60s AD and John to the 70s-90s AD for example. Saint Paul was martyred either in 64 or 65 AD, by which time the Gospel of Matthew was almost certainly completed. The earliest manuscript we have is from around 100AD, and it is a clearly not an original and is amongst many (hence the estimation that the original was completed some time before).
As for these scholars you speak of, I’d rather like their names. I do have to say I get rather tired of atheist (and other) apologists claiming unnamed Christian scholars said random things.
Again, on your claim it is believed that they were written by the “community of Matthew”, I’d like the names and works of tenured scholars. I’m sure you’ll understand why I prefer that over the snide and sarcastic remarks of an anonymous RUclips figurine. The Gospel of John, for example, declares that it was written by “The Disciple whom Jesus Christ loved”, and the Epistles of Paul testify to the original authorship of the Gospel of Luke (again also giving credence to the fact that the Gospels were completed long before the absurd estimates of your lot). As for YOUR dating of the deaths of the Gospel writers (and I highlight YOUR because no self-respecting and competent scholar would say such a thing) is complete fiction given obvious facts as Luke’s death being no earlier than 84AD and John’s death being around 100AD). Again I’d like the names of these alleged ‘scholars’ as I am rather starting to believe you’re putting too much credence into the words of a crackhead you saw outside of your local library (or some such nonsensical source).
You can’t remember the exact date the Church recognised women as fully human because there never was a time they recognised them anything other than fully human, made in the image and likeness of God, and equal recipients of the love of God. Again you reveal yourself to have either never owned a copy of the Bible or, at the very least, to have never picked one up and read more than the front cover. It is odd, with this, that one of the most famous verses in the New Testament is “There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free, for we are all one in Christ Jesus”.
I really don’t mean to offend when I say that all of what you just said was complete nonsense, the sarcastic ramblings of somebody absolutely infuriated over an image of the Church that has been put up by complete mythology and, at points, complete slander. I really do have to ask where you’re getting these things from, and I’m also inclined to question what religion you are a part of?
Look at her calling the Church “the institutional church” as a pejorative. She is egotistical and when you realize this, it’s easy to see what their “fight” really is about
Soy mujer y soy católica, con todo respeto creó que estas mujeres no han entendido la escritura ellas quieren crear su propia iglesia y si propia religión.
Por mi parte nuenca me he sentido mas mujer y mas respetada que en la iglesia católica.
Y lo peor estan siendo usadas por estas grandes instituciones haciendo estos documentales .
Lol 🤣
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
- Romans 16:1
“Outside the Catholic Church… one can have honor, one can have the sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church." - St. Augustine
Amen amen amen!!!
Amen! Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus!
Ultimately, however, what happened to Humanity does not matter. Like every other story, it was a temporary one; indeed long but ultimately ephemeral. It did not have a coherent ending, but then again it did not need to. The tale of Humanity was never its ultimate domination of a thousand galaxies, or its mysterious exit into the unknown. The essence of being human was none of that. Instead, it lay in the radio conversations of the still-human Machines, in the daily lives of the bizarrely twisted Bug Facers, in the endless love-songs of the carefree Hedonists, the rebellious demonstrations of the first true Martians, and in a way, the very life you lead at the moment
I don't care who said it -- it's not true. And let's go back to the foundation: no one -- to date -- has ever proven that a God even exists (I think one does -- one that is beyond our comprehension -- however, I owe my belief that there is a God to all the science courses that I took in college -- in my 40s -- I do not owe it to The Church -- not by a long shot). So until we can prove that there is a God (and it is CERTAINLY not The Christian God), everything we say about God is simply our imagination.
How can "Father" Anne say that she was called to the priesthood by God -- "an undeniable fact"? -- she has to be kidding herself. Anyway, how can she says she was called by 'God' when no one to date has proven that God even exists. smh
"Father Ann?" Such nonsense. If you're speaking in the English language, the term would be "priestess." If she wants to be ordained, she needs to go to the Presbyterian, Lutheran, or Episcopal churches.
Jesus met Mary Magdalene before some of the apostles. Nonetheless. He only chose men. Even his mother was not part of it.
All of this is later interpretation and none of it is fact. Absence of evidence for women apostles is not evidence of absence. Besides, there is evidence.
@@karintate there is not
@@karintate Mary was not at the Last Supper...
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
Where did Christ stipulate that only men could be ordained though?
All the saiints were obedient to the Catholic Church even if sometimes they did not agree with some situations they put the Holy Church which is the body of Christ above their ego.Obedience to the Church is Gods will. disobedience and rebellion is the will of Satan .We have to choose sides there is no middle ground
Even the Spanish lady in favour of women priests says it's a "completely different" ministry. My church (Church of Scotland) allowed women ministers in 1968. It had 1.1 million members beforehand and that has now slid to 270,000. Optimistically, it may stabilise at about 100,000. When anyone walks through the door, the first thing they see is - here is a church that has no problem doing the opposite of what it clearly says in scripture. There are other factors at work, but the view that membership would expand with a greater preaching role for women has not been borne out.
Are the numbers directly related to women in leadership roles or that the entire message is outdated and barely applicable to today's society?
@@boxbreathingwithMia The purpose is to speak truth, not keep up to date. The idea of a national church is an issue in Britain - one churchman blesses u-boats, another the planes sent out to sink them - so they can't both be right - though that long pre-dated the decline. Then there is multicultural Britain - when we "celebrate" Christmas - that Christ is come - and then Ramadan - that he is not come and Mohammed's apostasy is the final revelation - so that a child sees in a year that the adults don't really mean what they say. There are issues of faith being passed on in families. There is the rejection of natural theology of theology in Karl Barth. And I could go on...
Well i for one would not attend a church with a female priest, Yes they have the right to be ordained if that is what they want to do, and i also have the right to attend a church not run by a woman, hence i have not been to a church of my usual denomination since 2001 and instead attend a Roman Catholic Church, Everyone has free will and choice when it comes to religion
These women don’t want to be priests, they want the power and authority of priesthood.
yep.
Yup 👍. Once again, usurpation of the Office designed for men...
Works both ways then, I suppose. Men become priests for the power and authority. But in men that’s a good thing…
@@karintate Men become priests because they are chosen by God to fill the role of Mediator between Him and the people. For those truly called it is not about "man power trip." Christ chose 12 men as apostles, and that is the precedent for men as priests.
@@Reject_Modernity-qj4gl That's not, though. The argument that Christ chose 12 men as apostles and therefore only men can be priests is not really in line with the Gospels. First, Jesus had to choose 12 male apostles in order to qualify as a rabbi. That is the old order. It was before his death and resurrection, after which the old order was replaced by a new order, in which we are all - male and female - baptized into the priesthood of all believers, and in which there is neither male nor female, slave nor free, Jew nor Gentile. To adhere to the old ways is not doing justice to the world that Jesus ushered in, in which established hierarchies are toppled, and a new kingdom is established.
How can this woman call herself "Father" on the phone? Aren't FATHERS men & MOTHERS women?
Women wanting to be priests is not about heeding the authentic call of God; it is all about satisfying their wants. Their call for 'inclusion' is not Christocentric, but egocentric. It is about them. We Catholics and other Christians must understand that the priesthood is not about one's self, but always about God. And the reason why the priesthood is exclusively for men is because on the night he was betrayed, at the cenacle, our Lord Jesus gave his mandate to the Twelve who were, after all, men.
Saint Peter, the rock upon whom Christ built His Church, pray for us!
I just started reading the Bible. This reminds me of the Book of Numbers.
Heresy in whatever form serves to weaken the church and her holy sacraments.
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
It’s not about whether women and men are equal, it’s about whether they are the SAME, and they are not.
@Responsible World equal with each other, not the same as each other
@Responsible World Equality != sameness. You can't expect men to give birth now, would you? Each have their own role to fulfill, don't mix them up.
Men and women are not equal because they are not the same.
A lot of people will say "I only mean that they are of equal value." But if God loves us infinitely, how could "equality" mean anything?
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.[8][70][71][72]
It is not about sameness at all. Can a man have 18 orgasms in day? I used to do this routinely. But the questions is whether or not having certain sex organs disqualifies someone from the priesthood. It could be viewed that women are especially well suited to the clergy as they tend to have superior verbal skills.
While some have said that women’s ordination would bring “more people closer to the Church” along with an end to priestly celibacy, the pope disagreed.
“Lutherans ordain women, but still few people go to church,” he said. “Their priests can marry, but despite that they can’t grow the number of ministers. The problem is cultural. We should not be naive and think that programmatic changes will bring us the solution.”
You have to change mindset
These women are walking in the flesh, not the Spirit !!!
This is all part of the end of times.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
@@bulbakingdoot3514 Catholic Church is the one True Church. Satan told a Christian Pastor ,You are worse than me for at least i believe that our master is in the Holy Eucharist and you dont. You allll belong to me. meaning if you are not Catholic your going to hell.
If you met me 5 years ago, I would've said we might be in the end times, but now I am not sure.
No one will truly know when the end times will be, and from all the things I have been through over the years, I can confirm that things can get MUCH MUCH worse societal wise. Women priests are not a bad thing, but men who are pedo****** are, we must determine if someone should be a priest or not by if they are a good or bad person.
Also, for all we know the end of the world and the rapture could happen when everything seems perfectly normal. Strike when nothing seems like it could go wrong, that is the best time to strike when everyone least expects it. Yes for all we know it could happen tomorrow, or it could happen in 1,000 years. Only God knows the future, only he will 100% know for sure.
This is not about discrimination, that’s the way our Blessed Lord instituted the sacrament of priesthood, our Lord is a man, so priests are men.!. Our blessed mother Mary is our model as women, she is the greatest creature created by God after our Lord Jesus Christ. God gave us different roles, it doesn’t mean that we are superior or inferior, we are different, but equally important.!. The most important is to be faithful to God. We should be humble and obedient to our holy Catholic Church. It’s also important to take serious our eternal life and the salvation of our souls. Don’t get distracted with earthly things. Our life is so short compared with eternity.
God bless you, Glendys
The teachings of Christ are what is to be studied and followed, not the dogma of the hierarchy of the church. Mary Magdalene was Jesus’ most evolved follower. Jesus lived in a time when women were 2nd class citizens. Jesus himself did not take on that philosophy. It’s taken society 2000 years to come as far as we have: which is still not full equality, especially within the Catholic Church. Other denominations are head and shoulders ahead of the Catholic Church.
@@marykoltze9010
St. Mary Magdalene, she was the one who announced the good news: “Jesus Christ is risen!” She is the proof of God’s mercy, the proof of conversion of sinners, she showed us that it is possible to become a saint after repentance. However, she and the other wonderful women followers of our Lord Jesus Christ including our blessed mother Mary, were not present at the last supper. There, our blessed Lord instituted the sacrament of the Eucharist. This is not about who is better, winners or losers. The Holy Catholic Church is the only true church, it is the mystical body of our Lord Jesus Christ, we are not allowed to change anything, not even the Pope. “Women to become priests“ is not church teaching. When we think we are too big or too intelligent in order to accept the true teaching of our church, then unfortunately we are walking the wrong path. After our baptism we are all (men and women) called to be priests, prophets and kings, to bring justice and love, to spread the good news, to be the one who speaks for God, not just in words, but by the way we live, and to bring the light of Jesus Christ to the people around us and to the dark world. It is important to highlight that Judas (the betrayer) was also present in the last supper, meaning that we will always have Judases in our Holy Church, the good seeds are growing together with darnel weeds, but nothing will destroy our church. This is the promise of our blessed Lord Jesus Christ. We should pray for Holy Priests and for the conversion of sinners and be holy just as Jesus was holy and we are called to be.
@@marykoltze9010 So become an #Anglican Mary. Let Catholics be Catholic.
@@aclark903 100% agree hav a nice day.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
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I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
- Romans 16:1
Is no one gonna talk about how she’s calling herself father Ann?
As P. A Sorokin once said "Unstratified society, with a real equality of its members, is a myth which has never been realized in the history of mankind. …".
And we say in America, "That the arc of the universe bends toward justice." Humanity is not static, moves forward and changes in process to more justice.
Historians Gary Macy, Kevin Madigan and Carolyn Osiek claim to have identified documented instances of ordained women in the early Church.[67][3] In 2021, excavations at the site of a 1600-year-old Byzantine basilica revealed mosaics that provided evidence of women serving primarily as diaconal ministers in early Christendom (though there has been speculation of other religious leaders or ministers being leaders of convents).[68] Additionally, Paul's letter to the Romans, written in the first century AD, mentions a woman deacon:
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version, [69]
In the late second century AD, the Montanist movement ordained women priests and bishops.
Also is aught fallacy
The fact that they want to be called a "FATHER" shows you everything you need to know. They don't want "justice", they want sameness!
No true. In the Episcopal church Mother or Rev. or Pastor works. This is not a big issue that breaks or makes the Priesthoos
@@pianowoman2529 the episcopal church doesn't have valid ordinations anyway, so they have no priesthood
Doesn't matter what you call them. The priesthood is open to all, both male and female, who are called by God to be servant-leaders.
@@lizbueding2626 incorrect, only Men can be priests
I thought the Father thing was weird. Let’s not bring the mental illness of transgenderism into things. Call her Mother. Why do the Catholics venerate Mary? Because they know you can’t have a family with just a Father alone.
Most voices we hear are not from God
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
@@bulbakingdoot3514 still don't make her a priest .etc
@@Ch76452 I’m only Catholic by technicality so it’s no skin off my back, I was just trying to add some nuance
thanks, I just think is a great conversation to have! There are always ways.
A woman cannot be a priest. It's a Sacrament of Holy Orders. All these other religions broke away from the Catholic church because some person disagreed with Catholic teaching and allowed women ministers. They are misled and are wrong.
All the ceremonies these women perform are invalid. They cannot celebrate Mass, baptize, or confirm anyone. God gave women a role, but these women don't want that role. The evil one is whispering lies into these woman's ears...giving them a false reality. Only a man can become a priest...as only a woman can become a mother.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
- Romans 16:1
@@bulbakingdoot3514 She's not a priest. A deacon is not the same. Phoebe delivered the Epistle of Paul..to the others. The Catholic church doesn't have woman deacons.
A priest can only be a man as Jesus picked twelve male Apostles.
Jesus chose His twelve...
Ummm, those are denominations... not full on other religions. Also, most protestant denominations don't allow women to be priests, which is quite sad since how someone was born is able to determine if they are eligible to become a priest or not. I have met intelligent women who cannot become priests because they are women, but I have also met pedo***** men who were able to become priests with no issues whatsoever, how the way this boggles the mind. People dismiss women all the time, overall it seems like women don't have nearly as much say in the church as men do, even though women can be just as insightful and as good as men. For a long time when I was little, I wanted to become a priest. I am sad that all of my friends who are girls who want to become priests someday are not allowed to become priests. :(
@@bagobeans I heard someone say that women can't become deacons either, which makes this whole debate even worse. Even if I wanted to become a priest still, I would not be able to. I don't think this is an issue of whether women can become priests or not, at this point it becomes a question of if women should get the same respect as men. Even if it was 100% confirmed and agreed upon that women should not become priests, there would definitely still be people out there who ignore women and laugh at everything they say just because they cannot get into a respectable position like priest. I am very sad as you can probably tell.
This is just an example of pride manifesting itself into sin. Their pride turned into resentment at not being able to be priests and that resentment led them to commit this sacrilege. If anything them doing this *proves* they should never be priests.
All I see is an abundance of pride guiding your journey. This is not courage, it's your sinful pride and arrogance that is driving your passion to change the wisdom of God. You are saying that you know more than God. You know what is better than what God wanted for us.
Her belief is that God knows more than the RC currently knows. Anyway, I don't understand why they don't just convert to Episcopalianism and give their all to it.
"You can leave and become an Episcopalian priest." That is IT! I saw a book: "The Episcopalian Church Welcomes You." All that talent, all those skills, all that energy -- give it all to the Episcopal Church. Strengthen the church that will accept you. That "call" is a "call" to Episcopalianism.
These ladies are misleading faithful we were warned about this these are the false teachers
To add to my urging of these women to join a group like Episcopalianism: There is a video noting that the majority of priests in the Church of Sweden are now female. One of the oddities of this whole thing is that if artificial discrimination is removed, clergy is likely to become a majority female occupation. This is because it is a high verbal skills area and females tend to naturally be a bit better on verbal areas and males a bit better on math areas. One reason some groups are dead set on continuing male only is they are aware that clergy could become majority female if artificial discrimination is lifted.
They don't understand how the Church is structured. The Church is the Bride of Christ. Christ is a male and the Church designates as female since She is the Bride of Christ. The priest represents Christ and they married the Church. Let us be humble under the Church. No hate but hope the Holy Spirit enlightens us all.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
Any Spirit that doesn't claim Jesus Christ came in the flesh is of the Antichrist.
I think it is because Christ is the Groom... in person of those priests which are men, the Church (people) the bride means female, now if we have female priest , then it will be bride and bride, not groom and bride... I don't know my head hurts... i think we forgot the law of obedience.
On the subject of women priests read 1 Timothy 2.12 and 1 Corinthians 14.34
5:10 thats not bullying, thats the honest truth.
Why dont you recite 1 Timothy 2:12 or 1 Corinthians 14:34, in your "Church". Very helpful verses.
There are a zillion cults which will ordain women. Leave the Catholic Church alone; we will be faithful to the teachings of Christ.
These evil women!😓😓😓😓
Pope Francis excommunicated female deacons and priests a year ago.
These women show more pride than faithfulness.
We know one who fell for pride.
He was called morning start.
There is no such thing as excommunication. "Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus." NOTHING.
@@lizbueding2626 right. God always loves us. Even when those who don't reconcile with his church, remain in a state of grace and follow his will, will still curse God as they burn for all eternity, God will still be thinking of them.
We separate ourselves from God when we sent him/ won't forgive our brothers/deny him/support and condone sexual immorality/abortions/ liars/and refuse to defend him as saviour and Lord.
Maybe sexual violations
of young children and woman would decrease with women in the position of the Priests… just sayin’
I was raised Catholic, married and converted to the Lutheran faith. Our daughter attended seminary and is a Deacon and a very hard working deacon with a family.
There was a time when men ruled everything.
It appears the good old boys club does not want women as an equal. Then they no longer have absolute power.
Believe me. There are some older male members that would be more comfortable without female Lutheran Pastors. One male member of the congratulation said to my female Lutheran pastors while pointing to her pregnant tummy, “I hope you are going to be able to cover that up!”
Oh, he said that to the wrong pastor whose husband is also a Lutheran pastor.
She made a formal complaint to the church council.
100% agree and I am a Catholic woman.
An ack of sin. Its the working of the 😈🔥🔥
Look at her..just because she wants to be a priest doesn't mean she should become one.. so shallow
Why are they in the Church in the first place? They are free to leave any time they want. Why do those narcissists want to belong to an institution they hate so much just so they could change it according to their pride?
Why is everything a civil rights issue??
What next? Male Catholic nuns and sisters???
Within the decade that lunacy will emerge
Ah, you're confusing priesthood (clergy) with sisterhood (laity). The leadership of the Church belongs to both males and females because "all are one in Christ Jesus". Gender has nothing to do with it.
Already are.we call them monks, brothers or friars.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂That right nun it better for you lady
You become priest in the Roman Church, we leave the Roman Church.
I have no problem if women are appointed as Church's ambassador to other nations or such high leadership positions. As a matter of fact, Church should appoint Catholic women of good standing to such positions. I strongly believe some of them would do much better job than some clueless archbishops. But as priest, I will have problem accepting.
Never ! Even not in a dream...
why are you mocking The Lord
Women cannot be priests
Protestants who make the sign of the cross.
Protestantes que se persignan.
Eso es todo.
Fighting for female ordination is simply fighting for excommunication. Our Lord Jesus Christ, despite His unprecedented approach to women and their dignity, never made any woman an Apostle, even His Immaculate Mother or Mary Magdalene. Only the Apostles were made priests during the Last Supper. They themselves and other future priests who have the apostolic succession, are ordained in the image of Christ the Eternal Priest, in whom the words of the Exodus were fulfilled: "The lamb must be a year-old male and without blemish." He was truly an unblemished and male Lamb and so the priests are called to follow His example. Never in the history of Church were women ordained to priesthood and they will never be. God simply didn't grant the Church the power to ordain women, even if some heretical bishops perform the rite over a woman, it's an empty gesture, nothing happens except from mortal sin and excommunication latae sententiae. There's no such thing as a call to priesthood for a woman, it's the tempting of satan disguised as a pious desire. If anyone claims the Church is wrong and the know better what Jesus said it didn't say, it's pride - the source of all other sins, a sense of superiority over God. It once made the devil being cast out from heaven and now he uses it against us. The popes always supperted the only truth about female "priests" as a heresy and St. John Paul II used his papal infallibility to dispel any further doubts on this topic - ordaining a woman to priesthood is IMPOSSIBLE. There's no discussion with the will of God, one can act against it but it will lead only to hell.
Strangely there was no mention of the LGBT stuff yet the symbolism was everywhere. Go figure.
Ain’t gonna happen.Give it up ladies!
They will never give up and what is the Holy Father going if their numbers keep increasing. What then?
@@mikegallant811then he will pray for their conversion because they’re delusional via pride. The deadliest of all sins. Men cannot give birth, and women cannot be ordained since scripture directly opposes that.
No true God’s calling was EVER grounded in the disobedience to His Church…
Heresy
@6:00 there is the sign of blasphemy! No need for Christ on her cross, only her own golden calf, feminism, liberal ideology. This is a sick age
The Primordial Sins of Pride and Disobedience is on Full Display.
Not biblical. Just upset feminists
Father Anne 🤣🤣😂😂
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Father Ann?
These women can say that they are priests but they are not.
At least in Rome's eyes.
I can't understand why some people are mad at women becoming priests. They should be mad at other incidents such as sexual abuse of children and discrimination against indigenous people. There are lots of other things that are actually undermining the authority of the Catholic Church and DISTORTING GOD'S WILL.
we can be made at both ok
If a female believes God asks her to become a priest, then she should convert to a faith that allows female priests. The Anglican Church allows female priests. The Church of Sweden allows female priests. Convert and do your best in the church to which you convert!
The simple fact is that the RC doesn't want them. So why do they want the RC? They must convert to another type of faith.
I'm surprised really, these ladies read the bible, study no doubt. It's quite clearly written women are not to be priests.
If you want a coven of witches, have a coven of witches
The new Luthers, new Protestants destroying the church. Lamentable!
Wow. I see a plethora of brothers and sisters in faith who conveniently forgot all about Junia, the most significant Apostle that Paul ordained in addition to all the other women Paul commended for their tough grind and service for our Lord. SMH. 🤦
Its strange of a Catholic to call it the Roman Catholic church that's usually what outsiders do.
Absolutely right.
this is so narcissistic. It's all about 'me, how I feel, what I want' it's a gross parody of catholicism
It's exactly what it is. This is Satan's work. He cannot create, he can only imitate and parody.
Wow…everything about this screams ‘idolatory’…and maybe narcissism too…poor people, hopefully some day they will see the true beauty and dignity of being a woman rather than becoming a caricature of Priesthood and what it means to be ‘Father’
It is tragedy for church,never women
They put their ego above God's will.
Do you know God's will when you see it?
What does Jesus & the Bible say!!
Its knowing sins..not proper knowledge...please guide them..what is priesthood
This lady saying the church couldn't fulfil it's me sdion unless women ate ordained,is there most absurd thing i have ever heard in my life
How are they allowed to use the church??
They have their own pretend building and costumes to play with
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They have no valid sacraments if they don’t receive the Holy Spirit from the Church
1 Timothy 2:12
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
- Romans 16:1
@@Fenix.1111 Judged. 🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺
Phoebe was not a minister.
A bishop is to be the husband of one wife.
If you don't want to follow the rules of an organised religion, don't follow it.
Make your own sect
Why do YOU want validation from anyone your but God?
Or are you just doing this for clout?
Hahahahaha
They should be nuns, not priests!
Unbiblical heresy. If you love God than obey His Word and listen.
Maybe these women should petition God and ask Him why He made them physiologically different than men.
And while their at it, they can ask the Second Person Of the Trinity why He took the form of a male when He became man.
Their theology is not only skewed on this issue but on many others including the Gospel itself.
Y por estos cambios polticos y seguir la moda .... estas "iglesias" se volvera un chiste ...
That is blasphemy. The church or man can not change what is from God or written in the bible. What they want doesn't make it right. The ego and pride is on display not true faith.
How are they going to defend themselves at the judgement? How do they tell God that His order wasn't good enough for them? How do they defend perverting the sacred?
Jesus selected 12 JEWISH men as his disciples. Why aren't priests required to be Jewish? At any rate, I think converting to Episcopalianism is the best route.
Father Ann says It all
2 Carta a los Corintios 11:3 Y mi temor es que la serpiente que sedujo a Eva con astucia, podría también pervertirles la mente a ustedes, para que dejen de ser sinceros con Cristo.
2 Carta a los Corintios 11:4 Ahora vienen a predicarles a otro Jesús, no como se lo predicamos, y les proponen un espíritu diferente del que recibieron, y un evangelio diferente del que abrazaron. ¡Y lo aceptan sin dificultad!
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
- Romans 16:1
Jesus will be asking these women why they are listening to Satan and not Him and persecuting His church. Why?
Anthony, from my point of view they are not listening to Satan, nor are they persecuting the church. All these women want to be is members of the priesthood. And no matter how much the Holy Father tries to close the door in their face I think that these women in the Roman Catholic women priests movement, will continue to grow in numbers. Do you know what happens when enough people are pushing up against a door? Let me tell you this... The door eventually gives way or is broken down. Now don't take this to mean that I am rejecting God and by that I mean our heavenly father, or his son Jesus, or their companion the Holy Spirit. I will never turn my back on God, and I will certainly never stop being Christian. And I will try to remain Catholic if I at all can. But The Church must adapt. Eventually we may have to dispense with what is said by Timothy, and with certain parts of canon law. Otherwise I fear we may have another schism, in this case the American wing of the Catholic Church breaking away from Rome.
The Bible actually says something to the effect of "as long as a handful of followers geather in the name of chrishtianity it is a testimony to their faith". I do jot recall any gender specifications, specific structure, building or garment to be necessary, nor an actual ceremony master.
1 Corinthians 14:34 ESV
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
@@thebellyguy6712 Well that's a bummer, silent priestesses then? Also how can the Bible be considered the source of truth if it cites law outside of it?
@@Vagolykare you denying the infaillibility of the Bible ?
also , your first comment it doesn't apply to priesthood , but to everyone , but if they talk about priests , well no women
@@planteruines5619 I guess I do. How can the Bible be the fundamental source of truth if it points to other sources outside of it?
I dont think these women are evil, I do think theyre severely misguided. If this was the will of God, this would have been an issue at ANYTIME in the first one hundred yeats of the Church, or mahbe during the first 290 years, or maybe tje first 670 years, or maybe the first 897 years or maybe the first one thousand years. No. It happens in the 20th century. I sincerely feel bad for these women. I thought for a second thwy had decent Catholic theology: then I saw they invited protestants who have no apostolic succesion. These women are protestants and use the word Catholic. They do not have true theology.
No, these women are just bunch of crazy feminists who want to try to destroy the Church.
Remember that Satan and his rebel angels can initiate the form of angels of light. I pray that these women will see past their deception, and come back to the Church.
too late - you cant change mntal r3tardation that quickly.
I guess orthodox church will be on the rise
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I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
Blasphemy. The end of times is near. Repent. Read the bible. Just see the necklace the "bishop" is wearing. 10:45 clip. This is not a Christian or a Catholic Church. The cross alone tells you, it's blasphemy. Lord, I pray for their repentance, and may God have mercy on those walking down with this false leader claiming to do your work and calling. In Jesus name , i pray. Amen
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.
- Romans 16:1, New International Version
@@bulbakingdoot3514 Don't simply quote a bible verse without acknowledging the true understanding of that context and theology behind it at that point in time. Anyone can quote a bible, the meaning does not translate according to your whims and fancies. A deacon in translation at the point of time is leadership, which does not make her a priest. Does not mention that she can or did perform the act of consecration of the bread and wine. If women have been allowed to become priests, Jesus would have done so by putting Mary Magdalene instead of St Peter! Women can be leaders, yes, you are called to serve. I am saying it's blasphemy because these groups of cultist claim to do the work of God but the representation of God, Jesus is misleading, diverting people from the truth, from the teachings of the bible, of the Holy Catholic church. This is wrong!
@@angelicsongscdm4240 I don’t really care, I just think it’s interesting to see how people react to information that challenges their worldview. I have no strong position on weather women should be priests, but I do find the debate mildly interesting. Also just as a point of intellectual curiosity do you believe Protestants are heathens?
@@bulbakingdoot3514 Call a spade a spade. People wonder why their lives are so screwed up, having anxieties, feeling lost, suicidal thoughts, etc because people chose to invite the dark side of everything and dabble in the things they do not understand so the Devil and his cohorts are having a gala time. If one reads enough about what's going on around you, and the rest of the world; don't you think there is something bigger than all of us behind all of epic destruction? Careless or whathaveyou, the world is coming to its end, time is only known to God alone but before it does, chaos and mayhem are already here wrecking everything and everyone in its way. Test of humanity like never before.
I don't think any other Christian denominations or other people's faith are heathens. Not my place to be judge and jury. My defense is the truth of the bible and the teachings of the catechism and Catholic Church from the beginning of time. Those who chose to misuse/divert/pervert the teachings of God, in the name of Jesus for their own personal gain - be prepared to be schooled. Stick around long enough or pay attention enough, one will see the biblical effects that are happening presently when they go rogue/against the true teachings of God and its laws, cause and effect.
These women are lost. They are terrible terrible Catholics.
These are just bunch of feminists masquerading as faithfuls. They try to destroy the Church. Look at the cross the women wears at 10:45. These are just feminists mocking the Church.
If women are fighting men to be priest then married priest first.
I think female priests is an excellent idea. More power to you.
Following in the footsteps of the apostles Mary Magdalene and Junia.
The fundamentalists are falling over themselves to tear these women down. How sad.
If you are into this religion, you will follow the rules.
If you are a hypocrite claiming to love Jesus, but have a hidden agenda, you will become “priest”
10:45 look at this blasphemer's necklace. These women are mocking the Church and its doctrines.
I would like people to show where it states in bible tzat they cant. Also jesus said pray in privacy of your home why church at all then
1 Corinthians 14:34
I prefer to say Mother for church priestesses. We need women in clergy somehow so that women can talk about womens issues. Imagine a young girl is assaulted and goes to a male teacher some may dismiss her but a women clergy person would not!
I'm Orthodox and we are still trying to get deaconesses back as it's historical.