One of My Worst Ever Card Buying Experiences (The Cops Were Involved)
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2021
- From the Files of the Adventures in Card Dealing: One of the worst buying experiences I ever had, and the lessons to be learned.
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Oh gosh, I know that guy. He was at every show I attended in the 1980s.
i want my card back...
Man, in addition to being a sports card master, you are a fantastic storyteller!
Definitely a time when to say "we're too far apart- bye."
Agreed
Yeah but when you have 2 Jordan rookies psa cards in your face, its hard
@@steveseiler478 Then you get what happens. Every sign that this short and possible long term relationship couldn't be maintained was there; this deal never should've been completed and it looks like he learned fom it so that's good.
As a Pokemon and Magic TCG dealer myself, I've found the strongest tactic when someone is like 2 or 3x outside of the upper limit of reasonability is to just shut it down and walk away. 80% of the time, they come back knowing after realizing how dumb they looked.
I would have had the guy come to the police station and given back all cards for your money back.
These story videos are more entertaining and interesting than 95% of the shows on Netflix.
I agree.
It's like what a lot of podcasts try to do but fail when they attempt to make it a 5-10 hour long series.
the reality is the hobby is full of these whacked out folks.
the WORLD is full of these whacked out folks
I find when you approach a deal like that with honesty and integrity and you are still that far off, I would believe that any future deals would contain the same trouble and it would never be a relationship worth cultivating. Great Story as usual!!
Good advice for sure.
When he threatened court over the card, I would have called the whole deal off. Give me the $1000 I give you the binder.
That’s what I was thinking
@@carybensilhe4869 Me, too!
Out of curiosity… What was the story that he told the cop👮♂️ ?
I don't believe that was a good option. He returns the binder and whackjob says cards are missing from it and then he is back at square one.
Definitely!
I’d just walk away, but other than that, you did fine. This hobby has a lot of great ppl, and a number of scummy ppl.
Agreed. Far more great than scummy
That’s in every hobby... Sad to say
I agree you did the right thing, $100 is just not worth all the headaches that could've come from it. Getting the police involved over a $100 baseball card is absolutely ridiculous, they have more important things to do like I don't know catch real criminals.
I love how transparent you are with all your deals. Your information is making me a better buyer/seller. Thank you? One of my favorite channels!
That was 2017, I cant imagine how much crap like that is going on now during this boom.
I actually think there is less of that today. Todays collectors are very internet driven more turnover with smaller margins. Past sales are easier to access. This kind of bs was more common in the old times since grading was kind of subjective amongst the individuals, there was a more collecting mentality, and less overall information.
Live and learn, great story, sounds like that dude was over the top, to get the police involved over $100 is ridiculous
So many people overvalue their collections from sentimental value to absolute top dollar.....I can only imagine that is going to be seen on steroids if the boom keeps going enough long enough for people to re-evaluate the value of their collections.
Its very true, a high percentage of people overvalue the collections, and I agree with you, that will probably increase after the boom.
My only thought on this is just that there are so many online tools and sites now to look up actual most recent sold prices at any grade. If a person is adding some sentimentality multiplier that should just be acknowledged by both and factored into final decision by both.
@@collectorinvestordealer Precisely. I've used your videos along with a few others to figure out how to go about getting the best value out of my cards that I am selling as well. Your video on COMC was outstanding btw!
I also checked out Burbank Sportscards' buy list, and their prices are extremely low, but look at where they are storing those cards. That's got to be some serious overhead right there.
I think my choice is to start selling the mid value cards on ebay, and utilize the bulk listing features to offload player lots, set lots, etc. I just don't see that many card shops buying collections around where I live. Even if I only sell off half of my cards that I am looking to offload, at least I'll come out ahead on what I would get from BSC after paying for shipping costs.
I really enjoy listening to your stories. I had a card store owner call the cops on me for shopping in his store. I used to work in a card store, but I also still shopped at other card stores. One time, I was looking around in the store and the co-owner of the store recognized me from the store that I worked at. He falsely accused me of never buying anything (I had just bought a bunch of stuff the previous week when his partner was in the store and he wasn't) and he decided that the only reason I was there was to see how much he was selling things for so that I could tell my boss and he could sell stuff cheaper. So he told me that if I didn't leave his store, he would call the cops on me. I told him that I had bought stuff recently when he wasn't in the store, but he didn't believe me. I told him that there was no reason for me to leave because I hadn't done anything wrong, so he called the cops and wasted their time. Needless to say, I never shopped there again and I was very pleased when that store went out of business. Sorry if this was a little long, but your cop story reminded me of mine.
Wow. Appreciate you sharing that story, although sounds like a terrible experience. Quite aggressive on his part!
Hindsight is 20/20. The value of the lesson you learned here is intangible, not quantified in dollars, but you got a lot of “sense” out it, as in sensibility. Kudos for telling this compelling story. More please sir! Thanks!
Appreciate that
You should have told him if he wanted the Musical card back that you'll sell him the binder for $2000. That would have been great!
I just discovered your channel and have watched 5 videos just today alone. Great content. I love the personal stories the best(your history, worst deals, best deals, biggest deals, etc). Keep up the great work!!
"The guy was clearly a dumb dumb". Crackin' up over here
I also cannot stress this enough to people. Never talk to the cops if they are investigating you for a crime. Never. No not even then. Never. Nothing good can come from it. Ask any lawyer. Never.
i would have let him take it to small claims showed up told my side and let the judge throw it out. he would have been stuck with the court fee's and i would still have the card. but being a person that thrives in conflict and most others don't. i can understand why he just mailed it to him.
you are right. I'm wondering if the Cop told him about the small claims court jsut to encourage him to make the complaining witness happy.
I’ve been a para legal for a prominent Criminal Defense Attorney for over 15 years and I can attest to never ever speak to the cops without counsel present. When dealing with Police, do not answer any questions. Tell the officer , with all due respect, you don’t not wish to answer questions without counsel present. It’s your right.
I had never considered this but you might be right. I never heard directly from the guy that he was gonna sue. Just from the cop.
Totally agree hellocollegejason198 cops are permitted to lie so says the supreme court. Never answer questions without your lawyer very good point.
I could totally understand why you went with the deal at that moment. Love all your stories and look forward to hear more! Thank you!
Story time with Chris. Love it. Your stories arent only very intriguing but also informative.
I too value my privacy, but I NEVER would have mailed that Stan Musial back. Just the principle...
Something about your format appeals to me. I love your stories
I could watch this guy all night! I love the stories from the past experiences. Very entertaining.
Funny. There was a school we climbed above as teens and had 5 marijuana plants up there.
Your school sounds more fun than mine was
@@collectorinvestordealer 🤣👍🤘
Ha my science teacher Mr Getz.
I really enjoy these stories you're sharing. Sounds like good advice for anyone buying/selling cards.
The inclusion of that old video of you mailing back the card is gold
That’s disappointing it ended up like that. Sounds like it was a valuable lesson and glad you shared it. Hindsights 20/20. Great story.
That was a pretty awesome story. Making a deal really is an art. Thats why it's nice to hear stories where things didn't turn out so well. It makes the good deals even sweeter.
So true: "It makes the good deals even sweeter."
I like the fact that you were completely honest and you didn't sugar coat anything in your story's.....I learned a few good points on what, how, where and when......good stuff.....
I love your high rollers vids, but stories like this are by far my favorite watch
Learning so much here. Thanks for these stories.
These card buying stories are some of the best! All of your content is really great for the industry.
Appreciate that
You are a good story teller and I feel like I genuinely learned something . Thank you
Thanks for sharing this story, Chris. "Don't argue with fools or drunks." And IMHO, once someone gets personal like calling me a cheat, then the deal is off. You took the high road and cut your losses by mailing back the card, so good for you.
Appreciate that Matt.
Mistakes are Made. The lessons are the most valuable from the experience. Thanks for sharing this 🤙🏽
I own a card shop in Alta, Canada. I've been buying stuff on & off since the early 90's . I'm around the same age as you . Whenever I can tell that someone is over valuing their stuff & won't listen to reason I am happy to just walk away. Even if they have something juicy that I want.
As it usually means they over value everything they own . That's just how some people are. But like you say, reading people comes with experience, I've been making deals for a long time, not just cards. So I have definitely learned lots.
I really enjoy your videos, as I can really relate. We've been through lots of the same stuff. But you are much more patient than me, I have a temper, Lol. Keep up the good work. For the record, I'm 47.
Very cool to hear that. Ive always wondered how it would be to own a card store. I totally agree with you.... if someone is overvaluing their stuff and wont listen to reason, walking away will almost always be the best play.
There are lessons you learned, and related, that are generalizable to other life circumstances. You have tremendous maturity and insight and your story is valuable to your viewers. Thanks.
Really appreciate the comment, thank you
Thanks so much for sharing this story. I hope it saves similar outcomes for others.
New sub. I dont collect cards, but did back in the crap 80s and 90s lol. Your stories are good to hear. Even the "not quite happy ending " types. Lessons to be applied outside of collecting as well. Great attitude. Well spoken. Thanks sir
I'm going to be so much more prepared, when I (eventually) go through my old card collection, thanks to you! Keep up it man, interesting stuff!
Very cool to hear that, thank you
Love these stories! Keep’em coming!
Guy was a straight up hustler. Sounded like he knew _exactly_ what he was doing. Nobody in their right mind leaves a key card in a binder full of commons unknowingly. Well, lesson learned. But I don't exactly wish much fortune on the other guy either.
Plus the seller was TOLD about the stars in the binder, The seller was clearly a con artist. I woulda just said heres all the cards, give me back the $1000
Really enjoy these stories, keep em coming!
This is great advice on negotiating, regardless of baseball cards. Good advise and wisdom provided at the end.
You touched on the solution to this dilemma at the end of your video:
You tell him you just can't make him an offer that he'll be satisfied with, because you have done your homework and there isn't sufficient retail value in the set to make your money back and put food on the table. After all, you're not running a charity, and he should not expect you to take a loss so that he can make money. That's not an ethical approach to business transactions.
Then you tell him that you'll be back in the conference room on such-and-such a date, and he should go talk to some other dealers and retailers with his offer in the meantime, and maybe once he has a better feel of the retail market for his collection, he can come back and resume talk with any new information he finds out. Drop some names of people in the business you know who would give him the straight deal on the value of those cards.
To me, this is the way to maintain a business relationship with somebody who is just in a different place then you are in terms of value. You're keeping the door open for a future deal, maintaining trust, and not subjecting yourself to a raw deal. At that point, he leaves, and one of three things happen:
1. He comes back in a couple of weeks and says "You were right - there is nobody who will give me more than $650 for this binder".
2. He stays away, because despite the retail response to what he's offering, he still feels its worth more and will not sell for a lower price.
3. He stays away, because he intended to take advantage of you from the very beginning.
I cringed when you mentioned that he came to you and started flashing cards that he didn't intend to sell. That doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies at all. I understand that people generally want to get the best price they can for what they're offering...but leading somebody on with cards you have no intentions of selling, and then jumping into straight-up hardball on a binder of throw-aways...
I don't think the industry is full of people like that. I think there are a few, and there are plenty of other folks who maybe have the strong personality and strong stomach to deal with that sort of manipulator. For the rest of us, there's enough interest in the hobby to pick and choose who you'll do business with based on some commonality of business virtues (in short: you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours).
But personally, at least in retrospect, I'll take a hard pass on doing the sort of business that this guy was trying to offer you. Granted, the heat-of-the-moment can be a funny thing, and we don't always make optimal decisions when somebody is pulling a fast one. I wish I could have had a mulligan card for some bad business decisions I've made in the past, for sure.
Fantastic story. Sorry it ended the way it did. Hindsight is always 20/20, so I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you should have broken it off and he would have come to his senses down the road when other dealers were making similar or worse offers. That could have led to a more prosperous relationship with him. In the moment, I think most of us would have done what you did. Too bad the guy seemed to be a little bit nuts. Great video!
Appreciate that
Quite the story. very interesting to watch you tell these stories. Looking forward to more
Just randomly came across this channel....love the content! thanks.
Welcome to the channel!
Over the years I have had so many people come to me wanting to sell what they have and I have went through many similar stories except I have been lucky enough to not have anyone go to cops claiming I cheated them. This story reminds me of a dude that really tried to do this with me when I was much younger. I will share my story quickly. I had been collecting cards since age 5. By the time I was age 21 and married I had got into buying collections mostly from old friends growing up who had gotten out of the hobby. It was a way I had learned I could get really nice cards to keep for my personnel collection and then I would flip the rest of the collections to both get my money back and in most cases turn a profit. By the time I was age 25 I had became a regular part time dealer. I had a large booth I paid rent on at a local indoor flea market where I lived at back then in North Carolina. Well one day this guy comes in who was about my age now his mid 40s. The guy has a large 3200 count box of cards as well as 2 binders. He tells me this story of needing money to pay his light bill to keep his lights turned on and he had been out of work and all this stuff. The typical sad story. However this guy had his wife or girlfriend with him and she is shaking her head nodding while he is telling me this story and I believed the guy as they looked like a couple down on their luck. The guy tells me he wants $200 for all that he brought in and he instantly starts to tell me that he really didnt want to sell any of his collection but he had to get money for his light bill. He says that the binders each have complete sets of Maxx Racing cards and that one is the 88 Maxx Set. Now Racing is like the most popular sport in the State of North Carolina because the state has a long history with Nascar in the sport basically started with many drivers from the state. Racing cards were really hot in the area with lots of collectors and the 1988 Maxx racing set has the first cards ever made of so many racing legends and had quickly became the most desired set for racing fans at that time in my area. He tells me that he has the complete first edition set by Maxx racing cards in one of the binders. This set is worth big money at the time in the hobby. This is before the sports card card crash when the sport card hobby was booming at its highest still. But instead of the 1988 Maxx Racing cards set, what I find when I open the two binders what he has is a 1991 Maxx Racing set in one and a 1992 Maxx racing set in the other. Well I tell the guy hey I'm sorry but what you have here is not the first year 1988 Maxx racing and that the 1991 and 1992 sets at that time were not even close to the value of the 88 set even together. He instantly gives me this story of he must have grabbed the wrong binder he meant to bring the 88 set he looks at his wife and is like what are we gonna do now. I told him well let me look at what you have in the 3200 count box. So I open the box start looking through all these cards that were in top loaders. What he had was a ton of stars in the box but nothing of real value. Mostly cards of current stars at that time , that book value was anywhere from 50 cents to a dollar at the time. So I search through the lines in the box really quick and find nothing that is really going to make me any money and I look at the guy and tell him ok most of the stuff in this box is stuff that I sell out of 25 cent boxes to kids over here. I showed him a table where I had several 5 thousand count boxes lined up and everything in them was priced 25 cents each or 5 for a dollar. This was in the mid 90s and lots of my customers at the flea market were kids. I always had kids every week bringing in allowance money to buy cards and most cards that becket valued in those days of $1.00 or less I threw in the quarter boxes because it excited kids to find cards of their favorite players so on and get them for less than book value. I liked making the kids happy and it kept them coming back. Well The guy says that everyone of the cards in that box booked for at least a dollar when he had put them in the box and that If I gave him $200 for them I should easily make 4 times my money back when I sold them. So I explained to him that first nobody ever went looking to buy baseball cards for book value. That if a card was book value at a dollar then most collectors that came to my booth and wanted that card was wanting it for 75 cents or 50 cents because they wanted what everyone wanted at the fleamarket a bargain. I told him that also it wasn't the same as a $50 card. That These cards would sit in my booth for a long time before I ever sold them all and that I would probably end up lotting a lot of them in player lots to clear out space at times. Because of that I just wasn't that interested. I told him that if there was just a couple cards worth something of more value that I could easily flip fast.....that I may be willing to help him out. But I wasn't seeing it. He then said well what will you give me for everything here and again says come on I'm just trying to keep my lights on at home. I told him I didn't want to make him an offer because I didnt want to make him mad but I really couldnt pay what he wanted for what he brought me. So he says what will you give me we just need whatever we can get. He says the sets should be worth $20 each and then the binders and pages should be worth another $20 each. I stopped him there because I knew this wasnt going anywhere and I said you want me to make an offer. I said those sets may book for around $20 which at the time they did. But I told him I sold them all the time in mint condition for $10 each. I told him that in binders the most I could get out of those sets was $15 even in pages and everything and that they would sit for awhile because every racing collector mostly already had several of those sets because they made so many more of them than they did the first year of 88 sets. I told him if it would help him out I would give him $10 each for the sets even though at the time I knew that is probably what I would have sold them for after they sit for awhile. I told him I would give him $25 for the 3200 count box. The guy is like $45 is all your going to give me do you think I am crazy there is over $500 in book value in cards here. I again told him I am sorry but that is all I can pay. I tried to explain again the cards in his box may book for a dollar or more each in many cases but that there was also a lot of cards in his box that booked for 50 cents and that I had already told him what I sold those types of cards for. He was furious and ended up calling me a lot of names his wife even called me a few choice names and they picked up the stuff and left. Then like 15min later the woman comes walking back in with the two binders of racing cards and she has tears in her eyes and she asked me if I would give her $50 for those two sets that she promised she would go home get his 1988 Maxx cards set and bring it right back to me before the Flea Market closed that day and sell it to me to try and get the rest of the money they needed for their light bill. This is where they got me. I knew in those days that if I bought a complete 1988 Maxx racing set in great condition that I could break it up and make dang good money selling it off piece by piece as they were the most sought after cards in the racing card hobby already at that time and I was a dealer in the heart of Nascar country in those days where everyone loved racing. So I look at the woman and told her I would take her word and I would give her $50 right then and that when she brought me back the 88 Maxx racing set that if it was in as good a condition as the two sets she had I would be more than happy to give her the rest of the money they needed for their light bill. She then thanks me...I give her $50 she even tried to hug me and I am like just bring me the other set. This from a woman who had just 15 min earlier called me a few names I cant add here. So I am sitting there with the two sets I know I cant sell for more than $10 each but I am already thinking when I get that 88 Maxx Racing set....which at the time was I believe booking for around $600 in mint condition....that I already knew a couple collectors that would be interested in specific cards from the set. I was already counting up in my head which cards I would pull and who I could probably sell them to that would basically get me back even on the purchase and then have the rest of the cards in set to sell off little by little in the booth. 4 hours goes by and closing time comes. I never seen either the woman or man ever again. Lesson learned. I paid $50 for two binders of cards I knew I couldnt sell for more than $20 on the promise of a woman to bring back something much better to sell me at a good price. From that day on though I learned never to listen or believe anything until it was right in front of my eyes. At least they didnt get me for more. I did sell those two sets in the binders like they were later. I can't remember now what I sold them for but I do know I didnt come close to getting my $50 back. Probably got about half my money back. But the lesson learned was priceless.
FYI- I was interested enough to put in the effort to read your story, but next time, please use paragraphs.
Hey, at least it was a lesson learned on just $50, while trying to do a nice deed. That $30 hit you took, probably saved you far more down the line just by not doing it again.
@@je3421 Good point.
Now I would like to read the full version. 😉
In my store I would sometimes get ripped off for $5-$10 just so I wouldn't have to see the person again, they never come back.
I enjoyed reading this story. Good work, dude
I think you assessed the situation correctly with walking away. When people have too high a value on their own stuff, they need to learn that on their own. It's hard to convince someone that something they perceive as worth $30 is worth $10. But when they can't sell it they will come to that conclusion eventually.
I know that feeling of not letting someone leave a negotiation when the future relationship can lead to something bigger and more! Great story and I would have to say that I have never had the police called because of cards. Thanks for the story!!
Appreciate that!
This illustrates why you are such a good business role model for us to all learn from.
I would have definitely been a victim to my emotion and spent way more effort (than my time was worth) defending it.
You clearly made the right decision in how to resolve.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the comment, appreciate it.
I think you handled it pretty well and maturely. I would have likely called his bluff but I’m petty when it comes to people like that lol live and learn
People who live in fantasy land as to what their cards are actually worth can be frustrating. I want to say I ran into this several times as a kid at shows. I was never a dealer myself, but learned in time when to walk away from certain adults that were a lot older than me. Not the best story, but I'm sure you learned more than a few lessons. Thanks for sharing it!
Agreed. knowing when to walk away is critical
This was a really cool story as always . I think all your stories and life in collecting would make a good movie. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day someone came along and offered you a movie deal. What a time right now for a movie of that nature to release. You could tell all . The sports cards boom as well . All in this movie .You are a very intelligent man . Keep the stories coming . Let’s Goooo
Really appreciate that. I studied film in college so would actually love that!
If he wanted that much for commons, imagine how much he would ask for those Jordans?
Great story and very frustrating! Thanks for sharing!
I find these stories very refreshing and entertaining. Unlike today’s RUclips videos with clickbait titles and over the top thumbnails. Example, here’s how someone else would have posted this video...
Title: HOW I ALMOST DIED TRYING TO BUY TWO MICHAEL JORDAN ROOKIE CARDS!!!
Thumbnail: Chris holding both sides of his face with his mouth wide open, a la Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone, with two huge Michael Jordan Rookie cards and a picture of an ambulance in the background.
Hahaha well now your just giving me ideas...
You handled it a lot better than most. I'm new to these podcasts, I came across yours the other day and then watched 2-3 others this evening while searching for yours. I'm new to these podcasts, I prefer to read but thus far out of 4, yours is the best. Something I would look for, great tone and content though I prefer when you're reviewing collections and specific cards, no your commentary style imparts a very credible, good storytelling commentator that knows what he's talking about but doesn't get all verbose ... okay back to watching ~ keep up the good work.
Appreciate that, thank you and welcome to the channel!
Great video as always dude. Love these stories
Love the story and how you handled it. It is definitely not worth continuing to fight and be harassed over a $50 card.
Hello Yoda, I thought I would share, I have learned a lot from you. Today I bought cards from an expert seller with 35 years in the game... I bought over 100 Jordan cards from him. I’m going to get them graded etc , try to do what you do when you buy cards. I worked the deal with tips from your videos... I got the deal I wanted , he was happy and me very much. Thank you. I’m getting better because of good dudes like yourself. 😬
Happy to hear that, I am.
Really appreciate that and very cool on the Jordan deal. Keep me posted as to how the grades turn out!
I enjoy your videos. Thank you. Very informative.
I always tell myself ...they need to sell it, more than I need to buy it. If the deal isn’t there , walk away. Really enjoy the videos . Thank you.
Great advice.
A great experience for you, I’m sure you have really learned from it. Hopefully some of your viewers will too. Cheers!
These stories are super helpful. One of the most common things I see is people seeing their cards in a Beckett guide and thinking they are worth way more than they are. Often tough to find a common ground.
In my store I would educate the seller on condition and how it deducts from the value and how the Beckett guide explains it. I had many people come in looking for top dollar and leaving with a few dollars and I had a vintage card that would sell in less than a week. Win, win
I had a card booth at a flea market in the late 80's- early 90's and ran across guys like this often, now I have a small coin business and it happens with the coins just as much but if not more.. So its not just cards.. In most cases the potential seller (like this guy) over paid for 99% of the stuff they have and all of their raw stuff are PSA 10's (or in coins MS 70) that look like its been in a clothes washer a couple of times.. Thanks for your storied information and please continue, I have since got back into trading and selling cards and value your insight..
Wow, cops were called twice on you. I agree, the Jordan rookies were tempting and perhaps lead to you wanting to buy no matter what. It is hard to not keep your eyes on the prize. I think when their are early signs of stuff going wrong, then it’s meant to be. Great lesson to learn.
Been there done that..😂😢😥😭 On the other hand I've also found deal's that some would never believe.. I used to get on my old elementary school roof too and had so much fun back in the day Chris.. Well done.. Stay safe homie..👍💞🔥⚾😷
Thanks for sharing the story. I totally agree that we should always strive for a win/win transaction, when possible. Interesting information about the bait and switch tactic, and the promise for a future first crack at his high-end stuff. I guess I would say follow your gut L, and gonna get beyond what do you feel comfortable with let it go. Again, thanks for sharing, and I hope you have far more positive Stan the Man stories, LOL.
You handled it alot better than I would. You did the right thing. I enjoy story time
These stories are dope, love the content.
This reminds me of my own business. I restore furniture and I've had a couple of instances when clients will negotiate price based on the promise of future work. It always ends up being too much work for too little money and never any future projects. I've learned that sticking to a price on a particular purchase or project is more important than the potential of any future work or purchases. This is a very similar situation and it's best just to walk away from these types of deals or stick with your own price even if the other party is not happy. All we can try to do is make enough clients happy, but we'll never make everyone happy.
Great advice for sure.
You did great in that situation. I would have shut him down a lot sooner but you have more experience than me in these kind of deals and you clearly are the bigger person!
That's a tough situation. You were kind of unintentionally cornered, while trying to create a positive outcome. I've never had an experience where I didn't walk away feeling that both parties felt good about it. When the video started, I had thought you had possibly purchased a stolen collection without knowing. That would have been far worse. Maybe I missed it in the video, did you break even on the deal (though your time is valuable, and that was probably a loss). Another great story Chris. Love you channel!
Appreciate it. I didnt keep records on the deal, but I am guessing I took a small loss on it.
nothing you can do. just a learning experience we all have to go through first hand to believe it. one thing i learned when dealing with this kind of customer is that you can really easily collapse their ego by slowing it down with long pauses and carefully constructing a few questions that will challenge them to give an intelligent answer. in the moment we tend to speak too fast and match their energy because we know more than they do. i make my customers sign an as-is disclosure agreement to cover myself in case something like this happens. but the big lesson is all this happens because we allow ourselves to get too attached to the deal. and even then, you can take all the precautions you want with all the experience in the world, some customers are just impossible looking for trouble. depending on my mood i will either call their bluff and out-crazy them or just let them have their way and be done with it lol
Really great advice. I imagine you have some solid experience with this sort of thing.
@@collectorinvestordealer i've had my fair share of bad customers. one of the few downsides us self employed people have to deal with once or twice a year. quite often, after we ruffle each others feathers, they turn out to be some of my best customers. it's a strange dance lol
I have no interest in sports cards, but I really can identify with you. I deal in coins and paper money, and have been in many situations just like this. I really appreciate that you are sharing these stories. I personally would have seen this as a tempt with great stuff to get rid of junk deal. I rarely overpay for anything. If I can't get a deal that makes me happy, I pleasantly just pass. Other deals will come along, they always have. Thanks again for these videos. I really enjoy.
All in all, a somewhat inexpensive lesson. The story itself though...gold. One that will pay dividends for sure. Great channel man!
Appreciate that
Great Video. Always stick with your gut feeling. You obvious know what your doing.
Wow that's a wild story. And your are very forgiving. I'd of told the man to kick rocks. And your right. Some times best to just pass and go your separate ways. :)
Great story! What a lowlife. Billy Martin's probably wondering why he didn't want his card back too :)
Hahaha I totally wondered that in the moment... "why isnt he demanding the Billy Martin card back as well?"
Lol
So that's where my Billy Martin RC went. I am going to need that one back too.
Ha!
Great story...you handled it better than most after making the mistake of dealing with him. I probably would have offered everything back for the $$$ paid. That being said, I'd probably be spending the day in small claims court too 😥. Like you said at the start, you learned a great lesson for very little cost and there's nothing wrong with that.
Great story, learned about the Bait deal. Crazy people are that greedy!
You’re explaination is completely logical and standard bargaining seemed to be taking place. Most collectors don’t realize that when selling a collection you can’t get top dollar for each card. When I buy collections I have a stopping point then would agree to pass on the collection if we couldn’t come to a mutual agreement. Thanks for sharing your story.
Appreciate that. Its good advice. I usually have a stopping point in my head as well, just broke my own rule on this one.
Love this series of videos, keep it up. As for this situation I would have held to my price, regardless of the Jordans,etc. I would have been leery after the bait and switch,plus him overvaluing that binder, he would have definitely overvalued the good stuff to the point you wouldn't have come to deal either.
Agreed, he would have certainly overvalued the good stuff as well.
That was a great story I understand what you did and why you did it. He obviously took advantage of your kindness. It's a shame there people out there like that. It gives a black eye to dealing fairly
Thanks for sharing Chris! There are a lot of great ppl in the hobby, but there some horrible ones! I think I would have been frustrated with his stupidity and walked away. Your integrity and willingness to give the card is to be commended!
Appreciate that. And I agree, the number of great people in the hobby way outweighs the horrible ones
Another great video with great content and knowledge....I have not had the same experience with an individual selling cards...but with marketing....I convinced my brother to chip in with me to buy limited edition statues from Sp**rts Impre$$ions back in the 80's. We purchased the entire collection that they we selling at the time and spent over $1000 dollars...my brother wanted us to buy a Ruth Goudy...which we could have gotten for a lot less....boy did I make a mistake...nothing against the company who we bought from but trust your instincts...I didn't do that and got burned...it happens to all of us at one time or another...just keep searching, learning and enjoying the hobby for what it is!!!
Appreciate that, and thanks for sharing your story.
Good vid. It’s not always easy to find people looking for a win/win deal
Oh man i used to love climbing on the roof of my school
I agree with your logic and reasoning on basically all parts of the video. My strategy would have been that once you offered $700 and you knew this was a super good offer and he started the whole gimmick to just politely thank him for his time and say you enjoyed talking with him but that was your best offer. Drop him a card or exchange numbers and say if he ever changes his mind to shoot you a call. That way it ends on good terms and when he takes his stuff elsewhere and gets offered less he’ll know you were more than fair
Appreciate the comment. Good advice for sure.
You handled it well. I went to a card shop recently to get some advice as I wanted to get back into collecting and had some cards to sell. Compete bad attitude on his part considering he was an owner. An associates aid that I had some valuable cards. He just blew me off.
Hey Chris, l think you handled this correctly. You stayed above the line and didn't stoop to his level. The guy clearly was out to take advantage of you, or anyone for that matter. I'm sure he's done this multiple times. The fact that you kept your cool and worked through things, was the best way to go. I do believe in what goes around comes around. Karma has a way of leveling the playing field. Lessons learned at a low cost are always the best kind.
Another great post Chris, as to your point about finding good people to work with, I couldn't agree more. A deal is always best, when both sides are winners. Looking forward to your next installment, your content is by far the best in the hobby. Cheers, stay safe see on Wednesday.
Thank you Chuck. I love your line "Lessons learned at a low cost are always the best kind." So true.
I admire the patience you have my friend
What an unfortunate situation. Sounds like the Beckett monthly pricing vs. EBay sold listings. When I got my feet wet in the hobby again I relied on my Beckett monthly for pricing and boy did I get a rude awakening when I tried to sell at cardshow and on facebook, but like you said, as long as the situation helps you grow as an individual and you learn from it then it's not a total loss.
Appreciate that. Yes the Beckett vs Ebay is one Ive encountered many times.
Man I don't know how you can get through confrontations like that. I buy and sell early american coins and I usually have to take my brother in law with me because he has super thick skin and could care less what someone thinks in these situations. I've improved some but I just wasn't built for negotiating confrontations. Much respect to ya. Great content.
Great content. Please continue making these. If he was balking at your offer for the 50s commons, can’t imagine what he would have wanted for good stuff.
Very true!
Another great story. You gave him a lot more time than I would have. I would have shut down quite quickly.