@@steveseiler478 Then you get what happens. Every sign that this short and possible long term relationship couldn't be maintained was there; this deal never should've been completed and it looks like he learned fom it so that's good.
As a Pokemon and Magic TCG dealer myself, I've found the strongest tactic when someone is like 2 or 3x outside of the upper limit of reasonability is to just shut it down and walk away. 80% of the time, they come back knowing after realizing how dumb they looked.
I find when you approach a deal like that with honesty and integrity and you are still that far off, I would believe that any future deals would contain the same trouble and it would never be a relationship worth cultivating. Great Story as usual!!
Hindsight is 20/20. The value of the lesson you learned here is intangible, not quantified in dollars, but you got a lot of “sense” out it, as in sensibility. Kudos for telling this compelling story. More please sir! Thanks!
Both of those cards, Billy Martin and Stan Musial, are on ebay right now. Same creases, exact same cards. Two different sellers in different states, 3-7-2021.
I agree you did the right thing, $100 is just not worth all the headaches that could've come from it. Getting the police involved over a $100 baseball card is absolutely ridiculous, they have more important things to do like I don't know catch real criminals.
I just discovered your channel and have watched 5 videos just today alone. Great content. I love the personal stories the best(your history, worst deals, best deals, biggest deals, etc). Keep up the great work!!
I really enjoy listening to your stories. I had a card store owner call the cops on me for shopping in his store. I used to work in a card store, but I also still shopped at other card stores. One time, I was looking around in the store and the co-owner of the store recognized me from the store that I worked at. He falsely accused me of never buying anything (I had just bought a bunch of stuff the previous week when his partner was in the store and he wasn't) and he decided that the only reason I was there was to see how much he was selling things for so that I could tell my boss and he could sell stuff cheaper. So he told me that if I didn't leave his store, he would call the cops on me. I told him that I had bought stuff recently when he wasn't in the store, but he didn't believe me. I told him that there was no reason for me to leave because I hadn't done anything wrong, so he called the cops and wasted their time. Needless to say, I never shopped there again and I was very pleased when that store went out of business. Sorry if this was a little long, but your cop story reminded me of mine.
I actually think there is less of that today. Todays collectors are very internet driven more turnover with smaller margins. Past sales are easier to access. This kind of bs was more common in the old times since grading was kind of subjective amongst the individuals, there was a more collecting mentality, and less overall information.
I own a card shop in Alta, Canada. I've been buying stuff on & off since the early 90's . I'm around the same age as you . Whenever I can tell that someone is over valuing their stuff & won't listen to reason I am happy to just walk away. Even if they have something juicy that I want. As it usually means they over value everything they own . That's just how some people are. But like you say, reading people comes with experience, I've been making deals for a long time, not just cards. So I have definitely learned lots. I really enjoy your videos, as I can really relate. We've been through lots of the same stuff. But you are much more patient than me, I have a temper, Lol. Keep up the good work. For the record, I'm 47.
Very cool to hear that. Ive always wondered how it would be to own a card store. I totally agree with you.... if someone is overvaluing their stuff and wont listen to reason, walking away will almost always be the best play.
I like the fact that you were completely honest and you didn't sugar coat anything in your story's.....I learned a few good points on what, how, where and when......good stuff.....
So many people overvalue their collections from sentimental value to absolute top dollar.....I can only imagine that is going to be seen on steroids if the boom keeps going enough long enough for people to re-evaluate the value of their collections.
My only thought on this is just that there are so many online tools and sites now to look up actual most recent sold prices at any grade. If a person is adding some sentimentality multiplier that should just be acknowledged by both and factored into final decision by both.
@@collectorinvestordealer Precisely. I've used your videos along with a few others to figure out how to go about getting the best value out of my cards that I am selling as well. Your video on COMC was outstanding btw! I also checked out Burbank Sportscards' buy list, and their prices are extremely low, but look at where they are storing those cards. That's got to be some serious overhead right there. I think my choice is to start selling the mid value cards on ebay, and utilize the bulk listing features to offload player lots, set lots, etc. I just don't see that many card shops buying collections around where I live. Even if I only sell off half of my cards that I am looking to offload, at least I'll come out ahead on what I would get from BSC after paying for shipping costs.
You handled it a lot better than most. I'm new to these podcasts, I came across yours the other day and then watched 2-3 others this evening while searching for yours. I'm new to these podcasts, I prefer to read but thus far out of 4, yours is the best. Something I would look for, great tone and content though I prefer when you're reviewing collections and specific cards, no your commentary style imparts a very credible, good storytelling commentator that knows what he's talking about but doesn't get all verbose ... okay back to watching ~ keep up the good work.
There are lessons you learned, and related, that are generalizable to other life circumstances. You have tremendous maturity and insight and your story is valuable to your viewers. Thanks.
Fantastic story. Sorry it ended the way it did. Hindsight is always 20/20, so I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you should have broken it off and he would have come to his senses down the road when other dealers were making similar or worse offers. That could have led to a more prosperous relationship with him. In the moment, I think most of us would have done what you did. Too bad the guy seemed to be a little bit nuts. Great video!
Thanks for sharing this story, Chris. "Don't argue with fools or drunks." And IMHO, once someone gets personal like calling me a cheat, then the deal is off. You took the high road and cut your losses by mailing back the card, so good for you.
New sub. I dont collect cards, but did back in the crap 80s and 90s lol. Your stories are good to hear. Even the "not quite happy ending " types. Lessons to be applied outside of collecting as well. Great attitude. Well spoken. Thanks sir
That was a pretty awesome story. Making a deal really is an art. Thats why it's nice to hear stories where things didn't turn out so well. It makes the good deals even sweeter.
This illustrates why you are such a good business role model for us to all learn from. I would have definitely been a victim to my emotion and spent way more effort (than my time was worth) defending it. You clearly made the right decision in how to resolve. Thanks for sharing!
People who live in fantasy land as to what their cards are actually worth can be frustrating. I want to say I ran into this several times as a kid at shows. I was never a dealer myself, but learned in time when to walk away from certain adults that were a lot older than me. Not the best story, but I'm sure you learned more than a few lessons. Thanks for sharing it!
I also cannot stress this enough to people. Never talk to the cops if they are investigating you for a crime. Never. No not even then. Never. Nothing good can come from it. Ask any lawyer. Never.
i would have let him take it to small claims showed up told my side and let the judge throw it out. he would have been stuck with the court fee's and i would still have the card. but being a person that thrives in conflict and most others don't. i can understand why he just mailed it to him.
I’ve been a para legal for a prominent Criminal Defense Attorney for over 15 years and I can attest to never ever speak to the cops without counsel present. When dealing with Police, do not answer any questions. Tell the officer , with all due respect, you don’t not wish to answer questions without counsel present. It’s your right.
You’re explaination is completely logical and standard bargaining seemed to be taking place. Most collectors don’t realize that when selling a collection you can’t get top dollar for each card. When I buy collections I have a stopping point then would agree to pass on the collection if we couldn’t come to a mutual agreement. Thanks for sharing your story.
This was a really cool story as always . I think all your stories and life in collecting would make a good movie. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day someone came along and offered you a movie deal. What a time right now for a movie of that nature to release. You could tell all . The sports cards boom as well . All in this movie .You are a very intelligent man . Keep the stories coming . Let’s Goooo
I know that feeling of not letting someone leave a negotiation when the future relationship can lead to something bigger and more! Great story and I would have to say that I have never had the police called because of cards. Thanks for the story!!
That's a tough situation. You were kind of unintentionally cornered, while trying to create a positive outcome. I've never had an experience where I didn't walk away feeling that both parties felt good about it. When the video started, I had thought you had possibly purchased a stolen collection without knowing. That would have been far worse. Maybe I missed it in the video, did you break even on the deal (though your time is valuable, and that was probably a loss). Another great story Chris. Love you channel!
Hello Yoda, I thought I would share, I have learned a lot from you. Today I bought cards from an expert seller with 35 years in the game... I bought over 100 Jordan cards from him. I’m going to get them graded etc , try to do what you do when you buy cards. I worked the deal with tips from your videos... I got the deal I wanted , he was happy and me very much. Thank you. I’m getting better because of good dudes like yourself. 😬
I think you assessed the situation correctly with walking away. When people have too high a value on their own stuff, they need to learn that on their own. It's hard to convince someone that something they perceive as worth $30 is worth $10. But when they can't sell it they will come to that conclusion eventually.
You touched on the solution to this dilemma at the end of your video: You tell him you just can't make him an offer that he'll be satisfied with, because you have done your homework and there isn't sufficient retail value in the set to make your money back and put food on the table. After all, you're not running a charity, and he should not expect you to take a loss so that he can make money. That's not an ethical approach to business transactions. Then you tell him that you'll be back in the conference room on such-and-such a date, and he should go talk to some other dealers and retailers with his offer in the meantime, and maybe once he has a better feel of the retail market for his collection, he can come back and resume talk with any new information he finds out. Drop some names of people in the business you know who would give him the straight deal on the value of those cards. To me, this is the way to maintain a business relationship with somebody who is just in a different place then you are in terms of value. You're keeping the door open for a future deal, maintaining trust, and not subjecting yourself to a raw deal. At that point, he leaves, and one of three things happen: 1. He comes back in a couple of weeks and says "You were right - there is nobody who will give me more than $650 for this binder". 2. He stays away, because despite the retail response to what he's offering, he still feels its worth more and will not sell for a lower price. 3. He stays away, because he intended to take advantage of you from the very beginning. I cringed when you mentioned that he came to you and started flashing cards that he didn't intend to sell. That doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies at all. I understand that people generally want to get the best price they can for what they're offering...but leading somebody on with cards you have no intentions of selling, and then jumping into straight-up hardball on a binder of throw-aways... I don't think the industry is full of people like that. I think there are a few, and there are plenty of other folks who maybe have the strong personality and strong stomach to deal with that sort of manipulator. For the rest of us, there's enough interest in the hobby to pick and choose who you'll do business with based on some commonality of business virtues (in short: you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours). But personally, at least in retrospect, I'll take a hard pass on doing the sort of business that this guy was trying to offer you. Granted, the heat-of-the-moment can be a funny thing, and we don't always make optimal decisions when somebody is pulling a fast one. I wish I could have had a mulligan card for some bad business decisions I've made in the past, for sure.
This reminds me of my own business. I restore furniture and I've had a couple of instances when clients will negotiate price based on the promise of future work. It always ends up being too much work for too little money and never any future projects. I've learned that sticking to a price on a particular purchase or project is more important than the potential of any future work or purchases. This is a very similar situation and it's best just to walk away from these types of deals or stick with your own price even if the other party is not happy. All we can try to do is make enough clients happy, but we'll never make everyone happy.
Wow that's a wild story. And your are very forgiving. I'd of told the man to kick rocks. And your right. Some times best to just pass and go your separate ways. :)
I find these stories very refreshing and entertaining. Unlike today’s RUclips videos with clickbait titles and over the top thumbnails. Example, here’s how someone else would have posted this video... Title: HOW I ALMOST DIED TRYING TO BUY TWO MICHAEL JORDAN ROOKIE CARDS!!! Thumbnail: Chris holding both sides of his face with his mouth wide open, a la Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone, with two huge Michael Jordan Rookie cards and a picture of an ambulance in the background.
What an unfortunate situation. Sounds like the Beckett monthly pricing vs. EBay sold listings. When I got my feet wet in the hobby again I relied on my Beckett monthly for pricing and boy did I get a rude awakening when I tried to sell at cardshow and on facebook, but like you said, as long as the situation helps you grow as an individual and you learn from it then it's not a total loss.
These stories are super helpful. One of the most common things I see is people seeing their cards in a Beckett guide and thinking they are worth way more than they are. Often tough to find a common ground.
In my store I would educate the seller on condition and how it deducts from the value and how the Beckett guide explains it. I had many people come in looking for top dollar and leaving with a few dollars and I had a vintage card that would sell in less than a week. Win, win
Another great video with great content and knowledge....I have not had the same experience with an individual selling cards...but with marketing....I convinced my brother to chip in with me to buy limited edition statues from Sp**rts Impre$$ions back in the 80's. We purchased the entire collection that they we selling at the time and spent over $1000 dollars...my brother wanted us to buy a Ruth Goudy...which we could have gotten for a lot less....boy did I make a mistake...nothing against the company who we bought from but trust your instincts...I didn't do that and got burned...it happens to all of us at one time or another...just keep searching, learning and enjoying the hobby for what it is!!!
Love these stories. I think I also would have over extended a bit at the thought of those Jordans but agree when y’all were 2x off at 800 and 1500 probably time to bail. That said I heard someone say once if you’re not losing from time to time you’re probably not trying hard enough - this hobby like anything is never a straight line.
I agree with your logic and reasoning on basically all parts of the video. My strategy would have been that once you offered $700 and you knew this was a super good offer and he started the whole gimmick to just politely thank him for his time and say you enjoyed talking with him but that was your best offer. Drop him a card or exchange numbers and say if he ever changes his mind to shoot you a call. That way it ends on good terms and when he takes his stuff elsewhere and gets offered less he’ll know you were more than fair
I had a card booth at a flea market in the late 80's- early 90's and ran across guys like this often, now I have a small coin business and it happens with the coins just as much but if not more.. So its not just cards.. In most cases the potential seller (like this guy) over paid for 99% of the stuff they have and all of their raw stuff are PSA 10's (or in coins MS 70) that look like its been in a clothes washer a couple of times.. Thanks for your storied information and please continue, I have since got back into trading and selling cards and value your insight..
You handled it well. I went to a card shop recently to get some advice as I wanted to get back into collecting and had some cards to sell. Compete bad attitude on his part considering he was an owner. An associates aid that I had some valuable cards. He just blew me off.
Guy was a straight up hustler. Sounded like he knew _exactly_ what he was doing. Nobody in their right mind leaves a key card in a binder full of commons unknowingly. Well, lesson learned. But I don't exactly wish much fortune on the other guy either.
Plus the seller was TOLD about the stars in the binder, The seller was clearly a con artist. I woulda just said heres all the cards, give me back the $1000
I think you handled it pretty well and maturely. I would have likely called his bluff but I’m petty when it comes to people like that lol live and learn
I have no interest in sports cards, but I really can identify with you. I deal in coins and paper money, and have been in many situations just like this. I really appreciate that you are sharing these stories. I personally would have seen this as a tempt with great stuff to get rid of junk deal. I rarely overpay for anything. If I can't get a deal that makes me happy, I pleasantly just pass. Other deals will come along, they always have. Thanks again for these videos. I really enjoy.
nothing you can do. just a learning experience we all have to go through first hand to believe it. one thing i learned when dealing with this kind of customer is that you can really easily collapse their ego by slowing it down with long pauses and carefully constructing a few questions that will challenge them to give an intelligent answer. in the moment we tend to speak too fast and match their energy because we know more than they do. i make my customers sign an as-is disclosure agreement to cover myself in case something like this happens. but the big lesson is all this happens because we allow ourselves to get too attached to the deal. and even then, you can take all the precautions you want with all the experience in the world, some customers are just impossible looking for trouble. depending on my mood i will either call their bluff and out-crazy them or just let them have their way and be done with it lol
@@collectorinvestordealer i've had my fair share of bad customers. one of the few downsides us self employed people have to deal with once or twice a year. quite often, after we ruffle each others feathers, they turn out to be some of my best customers. it's a strange dance lol
Wow, cops were called twice on you. I agree, the Jordan rookies were tempting and perhaps lead to you wanting to buy no matter what. It is hard to not keep your eyes on the prize. I think when their are early signs of stuff going wrong, then it’s meant to be. Great lesson to learn.
Thanks for sharing the story. I totally agree that we should always strive for a win/win transaction, when possible. Interesting information about the bait and switch tactic, and the promise for a future first crack at his high-end stuff. I guess I would say follow your gut L, and gonna get beyond what do you feel comfortable with let it go. Again, thanks for sharing, and I hope you have far more positive Stan the Man stories, LOL.
Hey Chris, l think you handled this correctly. You stayed above the line and didn't stoop to his level. The guy clearly was out to take advantage of you, or anyone for that matter. I'm sure he's done this multiple times. The fact that you kept your cool and worked through things, was the best way to go. I do believe in what goes around comes around. Karma has a way of leveling the playing field. Lessons learned at a low cost are always the best kind. Another great post Chris, as to your point about finding good people to work with, I couldn't agree more. A deal is always best, when both sides are winners. Looking forward to your next installment, your content is by far the best in the hobby. Cheers, stay safe see on Wednesday.
That was a great story I understand what you did and why you did it. He obviously took advantage of your kindness. It's a shame there people out there like that. It gives a black eye to dealing fairly
I think I would have made the exact mistake you made. I like to get to "yes" and I like to be a good guy, but you're right: as soon as you made the deal, you probably realized you went too high and he still thought you were screwing him, which just leaves a yucky feeling all around. I bet he would have eventually figured out you were being fair and maybe even come back to you after a few other dealers told him to beat feet, but I totally understand the difficulty of passing up a transaction when you think it might lead to a fruitful relationship and a great buy down the road.
I was trying to buy a couple binders at a yard sale last year. $25 each was a reasonable deal. The lady wanted about $250 each, which would probably make sense now. ;) Thanks for sharing, Chris, and please stay off those roofs. I wasn't able to make a deal on the binders. Also have a Q&A question: what was the topps production run in say 1972 for each of the 4 main sports? How do you see those numbers effecting values as vtg NBA (or NFL, NHL, MLB) collecting picks up? Thanks for your input.
It has to be one of the only industries where people regular want 10x the value of their stuff. I actually have no idea the production run on vintage, and I dont think those numbers exist. Certainly BB > FB > BK > HK, but I really dont know to what extent.
@@collectorinvestordealer I agree with your production run rankings. I probably saw hockey cards once or twice at a store as a kid growing up in TX. Will be interesting to see what happens with vtg basketball since it must be relatively scarce.
You did great in that situation. I would have shut him down a lot sooner but you have more experience than me in these kind of deals and you clearly are the bigger person!
Sounds like a textbook case of "seller's remorse." Do you find that buying collections for a fair price is somewhat easier now that there are a number of online databases where current prices can be easily accessed by buyers and sellers (or does the state of the marketplace just automatically make sellers think that all their cards are worth $1M)?
This is going to be long, but I have similar story. When I was in college, I bought and sold MtG collections as a side hustle with a friend. My friend was admittedly more knowledgable about prices than I was but had enough faith in me to trust my judgement if we had a meeting that only I could attend. Once I met someone and made a similar mistake. A guy said that he was selling his old collection and had not played since his childhood. He brought one shoebox worth of cards and said he had many more but didn't want to bring them all to a diner (where we met) until he knew if they were worth anything. I was going through the box and it was mostly $1-$5 cards, some not even worth selling. In one of the stacks he has a card that at the time was worth about $150 if you were to buy online. I am fully transparent and explain that most of these are not worth much, but this one card is sought after. He immediately looks that particular card up on his phone, sees a sale on tcg player or ebay and wants the full price. I try to explain to him that we would have sort and sell the cards and factor in profit for our time and effort. At the time, we mainly sold our cards to dealers at MtG tournaments or online at tcg player. Eventually I relent and buy the shoebox while paying full price for the expensive card in hopes that he would offer me a chance at the rest of his collection. We exchange numbers, depart amicably, but I never heard from him again. In the future, if I ever ran into a situation where so far apart, I just always explained why I made the offer I did, thanked them for their time, and walked away. Luckily there are no cops involved in my story!
Great channel with good info. I cringe when I hear the stories about some guy giving an old lady $5 for a Mantle worth 5000. And he is proud? They ruin the hobby when they take advantage of people.
Tough situation for you, but I thought that your breakdown of how you got to the $700 offer was an excellent presentation. I don't know how the guy could refute your logic. If I was in his I think I would have just walk away and try someone at a show.
Really enjoyed this story. Wish i could get a win win situation. As i was counting and organinzing 300 cards today i actually thought to myself. " i have just bought someones load of doubles, why am I trying to make something out of nothing here?" As a canadian living in the UK this hobby is pretty much impossible. The worst thing its in my blood to enjoy this and i will keep trying but like this story i just need to back up and maybe someday i will find that magical deal that i will be truly happy with, i guess its like winning the lottery? Is that a hobby?.
I dont think I have ever really hit the lottery with a deal. But the more deals you make, the better you get, and at some point, they are all profitable. Like anything, its a matter of getting better over time.
Been there done that..😂😢😥😭 On the other hand I've also found deal's that some would never believe.. I used to get on my old elementary school roof too and had so much fun back in the day Chris.. Well done.. Stay safe homie..👍💞🔥⚾😷
Oh my! That is almost unbelievable. But we know it's truth because you speak truth! Quick question - checklist cards - if you go pre 1970 Topps occasionally put pictures on the cards so kids would not toss them. And I have also seen checklist cards literally checked off. At one time some of them carried a little value. Unfortunately my only old Mantle card is a 69 Topps checklist. Is there still some value to those? And of course modern cards also have had players on them on and off. Hey - a checklist video????
Vintage checklists definitely have some value, but generally not so much in lower grade. In higher grade, they can be worth A LOT because they are just impossible to find in higher grade.
Man I don't know how you can get through confrontations like that. I buy and sell early american coins and I usually have to take my brother in law with me because he has super thick skin and could care less what someone thinks in these situations. I've improved some but I just wasn't built for negotiating confrontations. Much respect to ya. Great content.
cool story and a good one for those people just starting out buying collections, I buy smaller cheap collections of mostly commons, but even still when I ask a person what's your price sometimes they say a number, then I can counter from their starting point. other time they say what was I thinking, then I lead off with honesty.... tell them what kind of collection they have and explain why. then comes my offer. one time this lady asked for my offer first and she didn't like it and said she was offered much more sight unseen. she didn't want to part out the collection she said it must all be bought together. and my counter to that was" then you should take that other offer" after I thanked her for her time and allowing me to inspect the collection, she asked me "if this doesn't sell by the end of the weekend was I willing to come back and buy it for my original offer, I said yes. then I see the same lady offering the collection in set's by sport... LOL never got that call back BTW.
I would have said "no" about matching the original offer later...in a nice way. The "takeaway" is one of the best negotiating tactics and requires nothing more than being able to walk away.
@@andrewkoines6389 that also is a good tactic, however I at the time didn't think of it. but now I have another tool in my negotiating tool box. thank you.
The BOTTOM LINE: TIME IS MONEY!! You already SPENT too much time, & had WASTED too much money!! That was your "BEST OUTCOME ", Just washing your hands!!! Live and Learn!!! Invaluable lesson!
As chewed up as that “Musial” card was, As soon as the police told you he threatened court, I would’ve told the officer to facilitate a “You give me my Money back & I’ll give you your binder w/cards (including “The Musial”) & afterwards lose my phone number…
For each sport and card companies, there are so many different series made. Would like to hear your opinion on what sets to go for when there are so many to choose from?
That sounds like the owner of my childhood LCS...opened all the wax packs...took out all the Roger Clemens...Barry Bonds...Kirby Pucketts....and resealed them to sell to unsuspecting 12 year olds.....
Oh gosh, I know that guy. He was at every show I attended in the 1980s.
i want my card back...
Man, in addition to being a sports card master, you are a fantastic storyteller!
the reality is the hobby is full of these whacked out folks.
the WORLD is full of these whacked out folks
Definitely a time when to say "we're too far apart- bye."
Agreed
Yeah but when you have 2 Jordan rookies psa cards in your face, its hard
@@steveseiler478 Then you get what happens. Every sign that this short and possible long term relationship couldn't be maintained was there; this deal never should've been completed and it looks like he learned fom it so that's good.
As a Pokemon and Magic TCG dealer myself, I've found the strongest tactic when someone is like 2 or 3x outside of the upper limit of reasonability is to just shut it down and walk away. 80% of the time, they come back knowing after realizing how dumb they looked.
I love how transparent you are with all your deals. Your information is making me a better buyer/seller. Thank you? One of my favorite channels!
I find when you approach a deal like that with honesty and integrity and you are still that far off, I would believe that any future deals would contain the same trouble and it would never be a relationship worth cultivating. Great Story as usual!!
Good advice for sure.
These story videos are more entertaining and interesting than 95% of the shows on Netflix.
I agree.
It's like what a lot of podcasts try to do but fail when they attempt to make it a 5-10 hour long series.
I would have had the guy come to the police station and given back all cards for your money back.
Hindsight is 20/20. The value of the lesson you learned here is intangible, not quantified in dollars, but you got a lot of “sense” out it, as in sensibility. Kudos for telling this compelling story. More please sir! Thanks!
Appreciate that
Both of those cards, Billy Martin and Stan Musial, are on ebay right now. Same creases, exact same cards. Two different sellers in different states, 3-7-2021.
AWESOME CATCH!!!!!!!
When he threatened court over the card, I would have called the whole deal off. Give me the $1000 I give you the binder.
That’s what I was thinking
@@carybensilhe4869 Me, too!
Out of curiosity… What was the story that he told the cop👮♂️ ?
I don't believe that was a good option. He returns the binder and whackjob says cards are missing from it and then he is back at square one.
Definitely!
I’d just walk away, but other than that, you did fine. This hobby has a lot of great ppl, and a number of scummy ppl.
Agreed. Far more great than scummy
That’s in every hobby... Sad to say
I agree you did the right thing, $100 is just not worth all the headaches that could've come from it. Getting the police involved over a $100 baseball card is absolutely ridiculous, they have more important things to do like I don't know catch real criminals.
I just discovered your channel and have watched 5 videos just today alone. Great content. I love the personal stories the best(your history, worst deals, best deals, biggest deals, etc). Keep up the great work!!
I really enjoy listening to your stories. I had a card store owner call the cops on me for shopping in his store. I used to work in a card store, but I also still shopped at other card stores. One time, I was looking around in the store and the co-owner of the store recognized me from the store that I worked at. He falsely accused me of never buying anything (I had just bought a bunch of stuff the previous week when his partner was in the store and he wasn't) and he decided that the only reason I was there was to see how much he was selling things for so that I could tell my boss and he could sell stuff cheaper. So he told me that if I didn't leave his store, he would call the cops on me. I told him that I had bought stuff recently when he wasn't in the store, but he didn't believe me. I told him that there was no reason for me to leave because I hadn't done anything wrong, so he called the cops and wasted their time. Needless to say, I never shopped there again and I was very pleased when that store went out of business. Sorry if this was a little long, but your cop story reminded me of mine.
Wow. Appreciate you sharing that story, although sounds like a terrible experience. Quite aggressive on his part!
That was 2017, I cant imagine how much crap like that is going on now during this boom.
I actually think there is less of that today. Todays collectors are very internet driven more turnover with smaller margins. Past sales are easier to access. This kind of bs was more common in the old times since grading was kind of subjective amongst the individuals, there was a more collecting mentality, and less overall information.
I own a card shop in Alta, Canada. I've been buying stuff on & off since the early 90's . I'm around the same age as you . Whenever I can tell that someone is over valuing their stuff & won't listen to reason I am happy to just walk away. Even if they have something juicy that I want.
As it usually means they over value everything they own . That's just how some people are. But like you say, reading people comes with experience, I've been making deals for a long time, not just cards. So I have definitely learned lots.
I really enjoy your videos, as I can really relate. We've been through lots of the same stuff. But you are much more patient than me, I have a temper, Lol. Keep up the good work. For the record, I'm 47.
Very cool to hear that. Ive always wondered how it would be to own a card store. I totally agree with you.... if someone is overvaluing their stuff and wont listen to reason, walking away will almost always be the best play.
I like the fact that you were completely honest and you didn't sugar coat anything in your story's.....I learned a few good points on what, how, where and when......good stuff.....
So many people overvalue their collections from sentimental value to absolute top dollar.....I can only imagine that is going to be seen on steroids if the boom keeps going enough long enough for people to re-evaluate the value of their collections.
Its very true, a high percentage of people overvalue the collections, and I agree with you, that will probably increase after the boom.
My only thought on this is just that there are so many online tools and sites now to look up actual most recent sold prices at any grade. If a person is adding some sentimentality multiplier that should just be acknowledged by both and factored into final decision by both.
@@collectorinvestordealer Precisely. I've used your videos along with a few others to figure out how to go about getting the best value out of my cards that I am selling as well. Your video on COMC was outstanding btw!
I also checked out Burbank Sportscards' buy list, and their prices are extremely low, but look at where they are storing those cards. That's got to be some serious overhead right there.
I think my choice is to start selling the mid value cards on ebay, and utilize the bulk listing features to offload player lots, set lots, etc. I just don't see that many card shops buying collections around where I live. Even if I only sell off half of my cards that I am looking to offload, at least I'll come out ahead on what I would get from BSC after paying for shipping costs.
Live and learn, great story, sounds like that dude was over the top, to get the police involved over $100 is ridiculous
You handled it a lot better than most. I'm new to these podcasts, I came across yours the other day and then watched 2-3 others this evening while searching for yours. I'm new to these podcasts, I prefer to read but thus far out of 4, yours is the best. Something I would look for, great tone and content though I prefer when you're reviewing collections and specific cards, no your commentary style imparts a very credible, good storytelling commentator that knows what he's talking about but doesn't get all verbose ... okay back to watching ~ keep up the good work.
Appreciate that, thank you and welcome to the channel!
There are lessons you learned, and related, that are generalizable to other life circumstances. You have tremendous maturity and insight and your story is valuable to your viewers. Thanks.
Really appreciate the comment, thank you
Something about your format appeals to me. I love your stories
Thanks so much for sharing this story. I hope it saves similar outcomes for others.
Fantastic story. Sorry it ended the way it did. Hindsight is always 20/20, so I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you should have broken it off and he would have come to his senses down the road when other dealers were making similar or worse offers. That could have led to a more prosperous relationship with him. In the moment, I think most of us would have done what you did. Too bad the guy seemed to be a little bit nuts. Great video!
Appreciate that
That’s disappointing it ended up like that. Sounds like it was a valuable lesson and glad you shared it. Hindsights 20/20. Great story.
Thanks for sharing this story, Chris. "Don't argue with fools or drunks." And IMHO, once someone gets personal like calling me a cheat, then the deal is off. You took the high road and cut your losses by mailing back the card, so good for you.
Appreciate that Matt.
I could totally understand why you went with the deal at that moment. Love all your stories and look forward to hear more! Thank you!
dude you can’t let those people get away with that. “not worth my time” is a horseshit attitude
This is great advice on negotiating, regardless of baseball cards. Good advise and wisdom provided at the end.
I love your high rollers vids, but stories like this are by far my favorite watch
New sub. I dont collect cards, but did back in the crap 80s and 90s lol. Your stories are good to hear. Even the "not quite happy ending " types. Lessons to be applied outside of collecting as well. Great attitude. Well spoken. Thanks sir
That was a pretty awesome story. Making a deal really is an art. Thats why it's nice to hear stories where things didn't turn out so well. It makes the good deals even sweeter.
So true: "It makes the good deals even sweeter."
I could watch this guy all night! I love the stories from the past experiences. Very entertaining.
This illustrates why you are such a good business role model for us to all learn from.
I would have definitely been a victim to my emotion and spent way more effort (than my time was worth) defending it.
You clearly made the right decision in how to resolve.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the comment, appreciate it.
People who live in fantasy land as to what their cards are actually worth can be frustrating. I want to say I ran into this several times as a kid at shows. I was never a dealer myself, but learned in time when to walk away from certain adults that were a lot older than me. Not the best story, but I'm sure you learned more than a few lessons. Thanks for sharing it!
Agreed. knowing when to walk away is critical
I also cannot stress this enough to people. Never talk to the cops if they are investigating you for a crime. Never. No not even then. Never. Nothing good can come from it. Ask any lawyer. Never.
i would have let him take it to small claims showed up told my side and let the judge throw it out. he would have been stuck with the court fee's and i would still have the card. but being a person that thrives in conflict and most others don't. i can understand why he just mailed it to him.
you are right. I'm wondering if the Cop told him about the small claims court jsut to encourage him to make the complaining witness happy.
I’ve been a para legal for a prominent Criminal Defense Attorney for over 15 years and I can attest to never ever speak to the cops without counsel present. When dealing with Police, do not answer any questions. Tell the officer , with all due respect, you don’t not wish to answer questions without counsel present. It’s your right.
I had never considered this but you might be right. I never heard directly from the guy that he was gonna sue. Just from the cop.
Totally agree hellocollegejason198 cops are permitted to lie so says the supreme court. Never answer questions without your lawyer very good point.
These card buying stories are some of the best! All of your content is really great for the industry.
Appreciate that
Funny. There was a school we climbed above as teens and had 5 marijuana plants up there.
Your school sounds more fun than mine was
@@collectorinvestordealer 🤣👍🤘
Ha my science teacher Mr Getz.
You’re explaination is completely logical and standard bargaining seemed to be taking place. Most collectors don’t realize that when selling a collection you can’t get top dollar for each card. When I buy collections I have a stopping point then would agree to pass on the collection if we couldn’t come to a mutual agreement. Thanks for sharing your story.
Appreciate that. Its good advice. I usually have a stopping point in my head as well, just broke my own rule on this one.
This was a really cool story as always . I think all your stories and life in collecting would make a good movie. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day someone came along and offered you a movie deal. What a time right now for a movie of that nature to release. You could tell all . The sports cards boom as well . All in this movie .You are a very intelligent man . Keep the stories coming . Let’s Goooo
Really appreciate that. I studied film in college so would actually love that!
I know that feeling of not letting someone leave a negotiation when the future relationship can lead to something bigger and more! Great story and I would have to say that I have never had the police called because of cards. Thanks for the story!!
Appreciate that!
I really enjoy these stories you're sharing. Sounds like good advice for anyone buying/selling cards.
That's a tough situation. You were kind of unintentionally cornered, while trying to create a positive outcome. I've never had an experience where I didn't walk away feeling that both parties felt good about it. When the video started, I had thought you had possibly purchased a stolen collection without knowing. That would have been far worse. Maybe I missed it in the video, did you break even on the deal (though your time is valuable, and that was probably a loss). Another great story Chris. Love you channel!
Appreciate it. I didnt keep records on the deal, but I am guessing I took a small loss on it.
"The guy was clearly a dumb dumb". Crackin' up over here
Hello Yoda, I thought I would share, I have learned a lot from you. Today I bought cards from an expert seller with 35 years in the game... I bought over 100 Jordan cards from him. I’m going to get them graded etc , try to do what you do when you buy cards. I worked the deal with tips from your videos... I got the deal I wanted , he was happy and me very much. Thank you. I’m getting better because of good dudes like yourself. 😬
Happy to hear that, I am.
Really appreciate that and very cool on the Jordan deal. Keep me posted as to how the grades turn out!
I think you assessed the situation correctly with walking away. When people have too high a value on their own stuff, they need to learn that on their own. It's hard to convince someone that something they perceive as worth $30 is worth $10. But when they can't sell it they will come to that conclusion eventually.
You are a good story teller and I feel like I genuinely learned something . Thank you
You touched on the solution to this dilemma at the end of your video:
You tell him you just can't make him an offer that he'll be satisfied with, because you have done your homework and there isn't sufficient retail value in the set to make your money back and put food on the table. After all, you're not running a charity, and he should not expect you to take a loss so that he can make money. That's not an ethical approach to business transactions.
Then you tell him that you'll be back in the conference room on such-and-such a date, and he should go talk to some other dealers and retailers with his offer in the meantime, and maybe once he has a better feel of the retail market for his collection, he can come back and resume talk with any new information he finds out. Drop some names of people in the business you know who would give him the straight deal on the value of those cards.
To me, this is the way to maintain a business relationship with somebody who is just in a different place then you are in terms of value. You're keeping the door open for a future deal, maintaining trust, and not subjecting yourself to a raw deal. At that point, he leaves, and one of three things happen:
1. He comes back in a couple of weeks and says "You were right - there is nobody who will give me more than $650 for this binder".
2. He stays away, because despite the retail response to what he's offering, he still feels its worth more and will not sell for a lower price.
3. He stays away, because he intended to take advantage of you from the very beginning.
I cringed when you mentioned that he came to you and started flashing cards that he didn't intend to sell. That doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies at all. I understand that people generally want to get the best price they can for what they're offering...but leading somebody on with cards you have no intentions of selling, and then jumping into straight-up hardball on a binder of throw-aways...
I don't think the industry is full of people like that. I think there are a few, and there are plenty of other folks who maybe have the strong personality and strong stomach to deal with that sort of manipulator. For the rest of us, there's enough interest in the hobby to pick and choose who you'll do business with based on some commonality of business virtues (in short: you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours).
But personally, at least in retrospect, I'll take a hard pass on doing the sort of business that this guy was trying to offer you. Granted, the heat-of-the-moment can be a funny thing, and we don't always make optimal decisions when somebody is pulling a fast one. I wish I could have had a mulligan card for some bad business decisions I've made in the past, for sure.
You should have told him if he wanted the Musical card back that you'll sell him the binder for $2000. That would have been great!
This reminds me of my own business. I restore furniture and I've had a couple of instances when clients will negotiate price based on the promise of future work. It always ends up being too much work for too little money and never any future projects. I've learned that sticking to a price on a particular purchase or project is more important than the potential of any future work or purchases. This is a very similar situation and it's best just to walk away from these types of deals or stick with your own price even if the other party is not happy. All we can try to do is make enough clients happy, but we'll never make everyone happy.
Great advice for sure.
The inclusion of that old video of you mailing back the card is gold
Wow that's a wild story. And your are very forgiving. I'd of told the man to kick rocks. And your right. Some times best to just pass and go your separate ways. :)
Just randomly came across this channel....love the content! thanks.
Welcome to the channel!
I'm going to be so much more prepared, when I (eventually) go through my old card collection, thanks to you! Keep up it man, interesting stuff!
Very cool to hear that, thank you
I find these stories very refreshing and entertaining. Unlike today’s RUclips videos with clickbait titles and over the top thumbnails. Example, here’s how someone else would have posted this video...
Title: HOW I ALMOST DIED TRYING TO BUY TWO MICHAEL JORDAN ROOKIE CARDS!!!
Thumbnail: Chris holding both sides of his face with his mouth wide open, a la Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone, with two huge Michael Jordan Rookie cards and a picture of an ambulance in the background.
Hahaha well now your just giving me ideas...
All in all, a somewhat inexpensive lesson. The story itself though...gold. One that will pay dividends for sure. Great channel man!
Appreciate that
What an unfortunate situation. Sounds like the Beckett monthly pricing vs. EBay sold listings. When I got my feet wet in the hobby again I relied on my Beckett monthly for pricing and boy did I get a rude awakening when I tried to sell at cardshow and on facebook, but like you said, as long as the situation helps you grow as an individual and you learn from it then it's not a total loss.
Appreciate that. Yes the Beckett vs Ebay is one Ive encountered many times.
I too value my privacy, but I NEVER would have mailed that Stan Musial back. Just the principle...
These stories are super helpful. One of the most common things I see is people seeing their cards in a Beckett guide and thinking they are worth way more than they are. Often tough to find a common ground.
In my store I would educate the seller on condition and how it deducts from the value and how the Beckett guide explains it. I had many people come in looking for top dollar and leaving with a few dollars and I had a vintage card that would sell in less than a week. Win, win
Another great video with great content and knowledge....I have not had the same experience with an individual selling cards...but with marketing....I convinced my brother to chip in with me to buy limited edition statues from Sp**rts Impre$$ions back in the 80's. We purchased the entire collection that they we selling at the time and spent over $1000 dollars...my brother wanted us to buy a Ruth Goudy...which we could have gotten for a lot less....boy did I make a mistake...nothing against the company who we bought from but trust your instincts...I didn't do that and got burned...it happens to all of us at one time or another...just keep searching, learning and enjoying the hobby for what it is!!!
Appreciate that, and thanks for sharing your story.
Love these stories. I think I also would have over extended a bit at the thought of those Jordans but agree when y’all were 2x off at 800 and 1500 probably time to bail. That said I heard someone say once if you’re not losing from time to time you’re probably not trying hard enough - this hobby like anything is never a straight line.
Learning so much here. Thanks for these stories.
I agree with your logic and reasoning on basically all parts of the video. My strategy would have been that once you offered $700 and you knew this was a super good offer and he started the whole gimmick to just politely thank him for his time and say you enjoyed talking with him but that was your best offer. Drop him a card or exchange numbers and say if he ever changes his mind to shoot you a call. That way it ends on good terms and when he takes his stuff elsewhere and gets offered less he’ll know you were more than fair
Appreciate the comment. Good advice for sure.
I had a card booth at a flea market in the late 80's- early 90's and ran across guys like this often, now I have a small coin business and it happens with the coins just as much but if not more.. So its not just cards.. In most cases the potential seller (like this guy) over paid for 99% of the stuff they have and all of their raw stuff are PSA 10's (or in coins MS 70) that look like its been in a clothes washer a couple of times.. Thanks for your storied information and please continue, I have since got back into trading and selling cards and value your insight..
You handled it well. I went to a card shop recently to get some advice as I wanted to get back into collecting and had some cards to sell. Compete bad attitude on his part considering he was an owner. An associates aid that I had some valuable cards. He just blew me off.
Mistakes are Made. The lessons are the most valuable from the experience. Thanks for sharing this 🤙🏽
Great story and very frustrating! Thanks for sharing!
I always tell myself ...they need to sell it, more than I need to buy it. If the deal isn’t there , walk away. Really enjoy the videos . Thank you.
Great advice.
Guy was a straight up hustler. Sounded like he knew _exactly_ what he was doing. Nobody in their right mind leaves a key card in a binder full of commons unknowingly. Well, lesson learned. But I don't exactly wish much fortune on the other guy either.
Plus the seller was TOLD about the stars in the binder, The seller was clearly a con artist. I woulda just said heres all the cards, give me back the $1000
I think you handled it pretty well and maturely. I would have likely called his bluff but I’m petty when it comes to people like that lol live and learn
I have no interest in sports cards, but I really can identify with you. I deal in coins and paper money, and have been in many situations just like this. I really appreciate that you are sharing these stories. I personally would have seen this as a tempt with great stuff to get rid of junk deal. I rarely overpay for anything. If I can't get a deal that makes me happy, I pleasantly just pass. Other deals will come along, they always have. Thanks again for these videos. I really enjoy.
nothing you can do. just a learning experience we all have to go through first hand to believe it. one thing i learned when dealing with this kind of customer is that you can really easily collapse their ego by slowing it down with long pauses and carefully constructing a few questions that will challenge them to give an intelligent answer. in the moment we tend to speak too fast and match their energy because we know more than they do. i make my customers sign an as-is disclosure agreement to cover myself in case something like this happens. but the big lesson is all this happens because we allow ourselves to get too attached to the deal. and even then, you can take all the precautions you want with all the experience in the world, some customers are just impossible looking for trouble. depending on my mood i will either call their bluff and out-crazy them or just let them have their way and be done with it lol
Really great advice. I imagine you have some solid experience with this sort of thing.
@@collectorinvestordealer i've had my fair share of bad customers. one of the few downsides us self employed people have to deal with once or twice a year. quite often, after we ruffle each others feathers, they turn out to be some of my best customers. it's a strange dance lol
Wow, cops were called twice on you. I agree, the Jordan rookies were tempting and perhaps lead to you wanting to buy no matter what. It is hard to not keep your eyes on the prize. I think when their are early signs of stuff going wrong, then it’s meant to be. Great lesson to learn.
Thanks for sharing the story. I totally agree that we should always strive for a win/win transaction, when possible. Interesting information about the bait and switch tactic, and the promise for a future first crack at his high-end stuff. I guess I would say follow your gut L, and gonna get beyond what do you feel comfortable with let it go. Again, thanks for sharing, and I hope you have far more positive Stan the Man stories, LOL.
Hey Chris, l think you handled this correctly. You stayed above the line and didn't stoop to his level. The guy clearly was out to take advantage of you, or anyone for that matter. I'm sure he's done this multiple times. The fact that you kept your cool and worked through things, was the best way to go. I do believe in what goes around comes around. Karma has a way of leveling the playing field. Lessons learned at a low cost are always the best kind.
Another great post Chris, as to your point about finding good people to work with, I couldn't agree more. A deal is always best, when both sides are winners. Looking forward to your next installment, your content is by far the best in the hobby. Cheers, stay safe see on Wednesday.
Thank you Chuck. I love your line "Lessons learned at a low cost are always the best kind." So true.
That was a great story I understand what you did and why you did it. He obviously took advantage of your kindness. It's a shame there people out there like that. It gives a black eye to dealing fairly
I think I would have made the exact mistake you made. I like to get to "yes" and I like to be a good guy, but you're right: as soon as you made the deal, you probably realized you went too high and he still thought you were screwing him, which just leaves a yucky feeling all around. I bet he would have eventually figured out you were being fair and maybe even come back to you after a few other dealers told him to beat feet, but I totally understand the difficulty of passing up a transaction when you think it might lead to a fruitful relationship and a great buy down the road.
Quite the story. very interesting to watch you tell these stories. Looking forward to more
I was trying to buy a couple binders at a yard sale last year. $25 each was a reasonable deal. The lady wanted about $250 each, which would probably make sense now. ;) Thanks for sharing, Chris, and please stay off those roofs. I wasn't able to make a deal on the binders. Also have a Q&A question: what was the topps production run in say 1972 for each of the 4 main sports? How do you see those numbers effecting values as vtg NBA (or NFL, NHL, MLB) collecting picks up? Thanks for your input.
It has to be one of the only industries where people regular want 10x the value of their stuff.
I actually have no idea the production run on vintage, and I dont think those numbers exist. Certainly BB > FB > BK > HK, but I really dont know to what extent.
@@collectorinvestordealer I agree with your production run rankings. I probably saw hockey cards once or twice at a store as a kid growing up in TX. Will be interesting to see what happens with vtg basketball since it must be relatively scarce.
You did great in that situation. I would have shut him down a lot sooner but you have more experience than me in these kind of deals and you clearly are the bigger person!
Love the story and how you handled it. It is definitely not worth continuing to fight and be harassed over a $50 card.
So that's where my Billy Martin RC went. I am going to need that one back too.
Ha!
Sounds like a textbook case of "seller's remorse." Do you find that buying collections for a fair price is somewhat easier now that there are a number of online databases where current prices can be easily accessed by buyers and sellers (or does the state of the marketplace just automatically make sellers think that all their cards are worth $1M)?
Good question. I think I actually find it harder now, as a lot of people look at their raw cards and expect PSA 10 prices for them.
@@collectorinvestordealer Or the look at "listed" prices and want that lol
Yes!
@@collectorinvestordealer Worst are those "These RARE items will make you rich!" articles. Always putting eBay asking in the article grrr
This is going to be long, but I have similar story. When I was in college, I bought and sold MtG collections as a side hustle with a friend. My friend was admittedly more knowledgable about prices than I was but had enough faith in me to trust my judgement if we had a meeting that only I could attend.
Once I met someone and made a similar mistake. A guy said that he was selling his old collection and had not played since his childhood. He brought one shoebox worth of cards and said he had many more but didn't want to bring them all to a diner (where we met) until he knew if they were worth anything. I was going through the box and it was mostly $1-$5 cards, some not even worth selling. In one of the stacks he has a card that at the time was worth about $150 if you were to buy online. I am fully transparent and explain that most of these are not worth much, but this one card is sought after. He immediately looks that particular card up on his phone, sees a sale on tcg player or ebay and wants the full price. I try to explain to him that we would have sort and sell the cards and factor in profit for our time and effort. At the time, we mainly sold our cards to dealers at MtG tournaments or online at tcg player. Eventually I relent and buy the shoebox while paying full price for the expensive card in hopes that he would offer me a chance at the rest of his collection. We exchange numbers, depart amicably, but I never heard from him again. In the future, if I ever ran into a situation where so far apart, I just always explained why I made the offer I did, thanked them for their time, and walked away. Luckily there are no cops involved in my story!
Sounds like you learned a similar lesson as me. Appreciate you sharing the story. Live and learn!
Great channel with good info. I cringe when I hear the stories about some guy giving an old lady $5 for a Mantle worth 5000. And he is proud? They ruin the hobby when they take advantage of people.
You handled it alot better than I would. You did the right thing. I enjoy story time
Tough situation for you, but I thought that your breakdown of how you got to the $700 offer was an excellent presentation. I don't know how the guy could refute your logic. If I was in his I think I would have just walk away and try someone at a show.
Awesome video Chris keep posting these videos are the best
Really enjoyed this story. Wish i could get a win win situation. As i was counting and organinzing 300 cards today i actually thought to myself. " i have just bought someones load of doubles, why am I trying to make something out of nothing here?" As a canadian living in the UK this hobby is pretty much impossible. The worst thing its in my blood to enjoy this and i will keep trying but like this story i just need to back up and maybe someday i will find that magical deal that i will be truly happy with, i guess its like winning the lottery? Is that a hobby?.
I dont think I have ever really hit the lottery with a deal. But the more deals you make, the better you get, and at some point, they are all profitable. Like anything, its a matter of getting better over time.
Been there done that..😂😢😥😭 On the other hand I've also found deal's that some would never believe.. I used to get on my old elementary school roof too and had so much fun back in the day Chris.. Well done.. Stay safe homie..👍💞🔥⚾😷
Really enjoy these stories, keep em coming!
Oh my! That is almost unbelievable. But we know it's truth because you speak truth! Quick question - checklist cards - if you go pre 1970 Topps occasionally put pictures on the cards so kids would not toss them. And I have also seen checklist cards literally checked off. At one time some of them carried a little value. Unfortunately my only old Mantle card is a 69 Topps checklist. Is there still some value to those? And of course modern cards also have had players on them on and off. Hey - a checklist video????
Vintage checklists definitely have some value, but generally not so much in lower grade. In higher grade, they can be worth A LOT because they are just impossible to find in higher grade.
Great video as always dude. Love these stories
Man I don't know how you can get through confrontations like that. I buy and sell early american coins and I usually have to take my brother in law with me because he has super thick skin and could care less what someone thinks in these situations. I've improved some but I just wasn't built for negotiating confrontations. Much respect to ya. Great content.
cool story and a good one for those people just starting out buying collections, I buy smaller cheap collections of mostly commons, but even still when I ask a person what's your price sometimes they say a number, then I can counter from their starting point. other time they say what was I thinking, then I lead off with honesty.... tell them what kind of collection they have and explain why. then comes my offer. one time this lady asked for my offer first and she didn't like it and said she was offered much more sight unseen. she didn't want to part out the collection she said it must all be bought together. and my counter to that was" then you should take that other offer" after I thanked her for her time and allowing me to inspect the collection, she asked me "if this doesn't sell by the end of the weekend was I willing to come back and buy it for my original offer, I said yes. then I see the same lady offering the collection in set's by sport... LOL never got that call back BTW.
I would have said "no" about matching the original offer later...in a nice way. The "takeaway" is one of the best negotiating tactics and requires nothing more than being able to walk away.
@@andrewkoines6389 that also is a good tactic, however I at the time didn't think of it. but now I have another tool in my negotiating tool box. thank you.
The BOTTOM LINE:
TIME IS MONEY!!
You already SPENT too much time,
& had WASTED too much money!!
That was your "BEST OUTCOME ",
Just washing your hands!!!
Live and Learn!!! Invaluable lesson!
As chewed up as that “Musial” card was, As soon as the police told you he threatened court, I would’ve told the officer to facilitate a “You give me my Money back & I’ll give you your binder w/cards (including “The Musial”) & afterwards lose my phone number…
For each sport and card companies, there are so many different series made. Would like to hear your opinion on what sets to go for when there are so many to choose from?
Thats a good idea, Ill consider it for a future video.
Great Video. Always stick with your gut feeling. You obvious know what your doing.
That sounds like the owner of my childhood LCS...opened all the wax packs...took out all the Roger Clemens...Barry Bonds...Kirby Pucketts....and resealed them to sell to unsuspecting 12 year olds.....