TBH I would take the regular Pegs over these for walks - especially in this off white colour! I found myself "by accident" on a short section of bit muddy/wet trail in the run for this video and "ruined" them already :)
I think there would be at least 8 minutes of steam coming out of the reviewer's ears before even mentioning what the shoe is really about. There would be Nike and that I had to buy it myself, the limited drop, Pegasus (they were great when I was at school), the weight, the price, maybe the glue, the colour, the laces and that every other brand has a "better" shoe. Can't see what else there would be to say :) Oh well you must subscribe, the disclaimer (hope gets updated for this shoe), maybe the target number of subscribers too.
I think with this shoe, a lot will depend of your foot size. I see it is about 310g in the stock size of US 9. Any shoe I have at around 310g I would describe as "fairly light." This one comes in at 420g in my UK 13/US 14. I checked and it is the heaviest out and out road shoe I have ever tried - well of the near 200 shoes I have noted weights for since about 2018 when I started weighing my shoes. I don't "dislike" this shoe but am going to need to consider when and for what am going to use it. For instance I did a similar length run (bit over an hour) "today" (Sunday) in the Zoom Fly 6 and although my average pace wasn't that different to this Pegasus Premium "yesterday" it just felt somewhat easier and I think primarily as I had nearly 100g less on each foot although the ZF6 is clearly a "faster" shoe anyway.
Yeah, the weight is definitely a problem but I do think the bounce negates some of that weight. I kind of feared it would be another Max Cushion Plodder but like you said, it's not actually that soft. It does indeed share a lot of the Pegasus DNA.
Out of interest how much does your pair weigh and remind me what size you take? I saw Meaghan from BITR "noting" (not totally complaining) were very heavy but the actual weight for her is on a par with my carbon racers. Begs the question of what ratio of shoe weight to body weight is acceptable. I was 69kg back in 2005 for my marathon PB and these days hover more around 75kg. So am clearly much heavier than you but for somebody of my height 1.95m probably on the relatively "light" side. They didn't feel as bouncy as I thought that they might although I did wonder about my fitness and leg strength as kind of thought well actually this a good shoe for developing some! Also have never been totally convinced by air units in any shoe. I don't them am engaging the ReactX at the back very much if at all especially as I never see wear in my shoes in the heels. Did you notice that at all? That seems to be where the stability concerns from other reviewers come in - i.e. heel strikers.
@TimGrose @TimGrose Mine are a size EU 40 or UK 6. They weigh 275g. That's the heaviest Road Shoe I've ever(?) run in. Sounds dramatic but the Nimbus and Glycerin Max both came in at 265-270g, so it's not really a difference there. I don't really notice the ReactX either. But interestingly it stops in the forefoot where you only have ZoomX and the Airpod and the outsole under foot. Instability wasn't a problem for me either. But I do forefoot strike where there is a considerably wider base. Like you said, Heel Strikers might have quite a different experience in this one.
Any shoe above 300 gr irritate my Hamstring.. Love the More V5 but at 320 gr can only go up to 6K before my Hamstring begins to notice the weight. No pains or injury just noticeable..
I don't think the weight of the shoe would irritate your hamstring! Sounds like it's the ride of them putting more effort through your upper legs. Probably too soft for you and you probably need to strengthen your legs.
@@Fozzee.1970 TBH, as I alluded to, I did find the weight of these showed me up as much as the shoe. After a while it just seem "harder" to pick my feet off the ground. 320g for me would be a "fairly light" shoe. Even the Pegasus Plus which is way "lighter" than the Premium and feels it is still 333g in a UK 13. My hamstrings mostly "sign" at me doing sprints although did once pull one just "running along" albeit was to the end of a longish run.
@@macewindex564 I sneaked them past her yesterday as they came when she was out. Wonder if I will get "rumbled". Better discard the huge outer box they came in for a start! I fear her assessement would be "bricks" !!!
I was considering these as I'm looking for a more supportive/stable shoe due to battling with with posterior tibial tendonitis... But I'm thinking with the weight it may not be such a good option. Do you have any recommendations for supportive shoes? There's a plethora out there and I've no clue where to start!
Funnily enough I was back in the Zoom Fly 6 today and although they aren't a "supportive" shoe per se I feel they give them me some decent "support" and seem to be a lot "kinder" on my dodgy left Achilles area issues than most other shoes I have. What shoes are you using that you think aren't providing enough support? And yes although I don't "dislike" the Peg Premium, I did find the "weight" is a challenge and felt I was having to work harder than normal to "lift" my feet up. That said the majority of runners won't have my boat like feet and the extra weight penalty as a result. Although I found them "stable" I understand from other reviews that heel strikers especially may find these far from stable. I have started to do a little bit of testing of the Mount to Coast P1 "stability" shoe. It was far from a "conventional" stability shoe and fairly light but also bit on the firmer side by modern day standards but might be one to check out unless you do "super soft" which probably isn't great for support either.
@TimGrose I'm mostly running in a pair of New Balance 860s. Prior to that, I'd just complete a marathon at the start of December (Hoka Rocket 2), but I think this is just a biomechanical issue which I'm working hard on. I'm wary of relying too much on a shoe to resolve the problem long term, but in the short term don't want to set myself back in the short term! I think 'kinder' is the way to think!
@@IRunDaily yeah I think if you have an issue (as I have had for a while now) I feel it is a case of damage limitation. Eliminate shoes that basically give you pain from that start and work out which ones you can at least get out in - Zoom Fly 6 being my example "can run in" shoe but when say I did 10 miles in them before Xmas I was "suffering" much the same as I was after 4 hours of walking round a golf course yesterday ! Then again I have always found going to be a bit "stiff" after a long run in anything especially if not done so for a while. Another factor is how long you have had a shoe. For sure "worn out" ones can cause issues even if feel good because have moulded to your feet.
I was sort of intending to a shorts (hence that format in the main "review" section) but had too much footage for under a minute and "better" to show a skip in wide format :)
Ah probably my favourite shoe right now just to show we all have somewhat different likes. What is/are your goto shoe(s) right now? I recall you have rather long feet like me. I did a similar distance run in the ZF6 today (bit over an hour) to the one for this Peg Premium video and the much lighter weight alone made that run feel somewhat easier. Also, in that case, I wouldn't try these Pegs!
Cheers Tim. I think I'll pass on the Nike Pegasus Premium as seems a bit too much shoe for me. I'm only a size 9 - 9.5 so I know this shoe in my size would be significantly lighter than your size 13 but still heavier than I'm used to. Maybe a nice shoe to walk the dog in. Talking of shoes, I was having a clear out recently of old running shoes well passed their best and I came across a pair of original Vapourfly's in that vivid Pink colour scheme I'd forgotten I still had. Still look in pretty good shape and was reminded on Friday when I went for a lunchtime run in them what a fantastic shoe they are. A shame Nike made updates which in my view made them worse.
Yeah I also got a pair of those pink Pegs. I wore them for the London Marathon in 2021 and still comes out once in a while like all my other well used VF1s. I did buy a pair of StockX last year and so got at least one "almost new" pair left. Still got an unused pair of VF2s as well. Yeah I think anybody will think the Peg Premium is heavier than what you are used to. Nike UK says the UK 9 is 325g. That would be "fairly light" for me but imagine "rather heavy" for you (or worse) and indeed my pair at 420g is the heaviest road shoe I have ever used well since started weighing them so certainly my heaviest road shoe in at least 10 years if not ever.
429g! I predicated 400g...but wow. I knew scaling wouldn't be kind to this. The "boing" really comes into it's own after 20k or so, one the ZoomX molds to the bottom of your foot and the shoe materials loosen up a bit.
Not quite 429g :) Actually 421g left, 416g right. That said, just checked and that is the heaviest running shoe I have still got and indeed the heaviest out and out road shoe of any shoe out of the 168 different shoes (of any type) have noted weights for - since about 2018. Only ones ever used which were similar or more were the adias Adistar Raven (a trail shoe) which was 420g/421g and which I actually did a fair bit in and the awful adidas SolarGlide 4 GTX at a whooping 448g/444g which is the only shoe ever I did a mile in and had to turn back and put on something else on! I have now done almost 12K (hero for getting over 10K in a Pegasus) so will see if indeed it does what you say. Perils of a "first run review" but this was meant to be a Shorts (hence the vertical iPhone recording) but thought useful to stretch to a 2 minute "Quickie" !
On average in my spreadsheet of shoes I have had in the past several years the scaling factor from spec weigh (size 9) to actual weigh (size 13) is 1.25. The Pegasus Premium is pretty clearly over the average and scales poorly. The Rival Fly 4 is actually 1.14x and the best scaling factor on my entire spreadsheet. Others of note Streak LT 3 1.18x, Terrex Speed Ultra and Takumi Sen 10 1.19x, NNormal Kjerag and Vaporfly 4% Flyknit 1.20x.
@@brianreiter5572 It must be the 3D nature of high stack shoes that we are now suffering from. The Adios 9 is only 225g in my UK 13.5/US 14 and of course that stack isn't too high. I can't think anybody would call out that weight as "heavy" except perhaps in their goto short distance racer. Same always seem to apply for me with the Alphafly and made worse by having a much wider platform than say Vaporflys. If these Pegasus Premium were wider (and I think many may well wish they are) it could easily top 450g not the approx 420g mine are in a UK 13/US 14. Are you talking US sizes 9 to 13? One of my few reference points I have US 13-14 and UK 12-13 is that I got a pair of the OG Vaporfly 1 in a UK 12/13 in the green and they are 235g compared to same shoe in the UK 13/US 14 at 251g. Of course they had quite a narrow outsole. Also I had the same two sizes in the OG Prime X. Hugh difference - 333g to 382g although I did wonder if they came from different tooling as the bigger one I only got later.
I’ve had the adios 9 for a week and I think it is pretty comparable to a Streak 7 but reimagined into contemporary materials. My adios 9 US 13 weigh in 227g which is lighter than a Streak 7 was at 243g but 1.23x the spec weight is “normal” scaling. However the absolute weight of these new materials is lighter.
@@brianreiter5572 that’s odd if your US 13 Adios 9 is 2g more than my US 14 ! Not same scales of course but like to think my measurements are at least relatively OK to each of my different shoes.
yeah I think I found yesterday that early on I was bouncing more partly as was not then too tired and part due to the shoe. Later on it started to feel like a lot of shoe to lift off the ground.
Very true! My "lifestyle" shoe is a pair of cheap all black Nike Wearallday "trainers". I then do not look like I am about to go for a run and they are essentially much more comfortable to wear "all day" than my running ones. You could run in them but not too far.
I was curious to see if the "tech" in these kind of overrides the weight. I think it does compared to a "normal" shoe that happened to be this heavy but whether it helps full stop is definitely questionable. One advantage for me is that doing some training in these will make anything else feel like got nothing on. Perhaps a high price to pay though for pseudo gym leg strength training.
As things go that is not "too bad". I have had a fair few 10g or more different and my "record" for a running shoe is Vomero 17 at 15g. And not just Nike shoes - some of the 10g or more ones are adidas, Saucony or UA.
Yeah just checked and it is heaviest out and out road shoe of all the ones have noted weights for and that is back to about 2018. Maybe something in the past was heavier but I always tended to go for more racer/trainer shoes like say the older Bostons and similar back through the years.
"If you put a pair of these on, at least you can run to the bus quicker" Imagine if this were Nike's slogan for the Premium.😂
Ha ha. Maybe would have sold out even quicker although whether by accident or design it was a very limited drop.
Looks like a nice casual shoe for walks
TBH I would take the regular Pegs over these for walks - especially in this off white colour! I found myself "by accident" on a short section of bit muddy/wet trail in the run for this video and "ruined" them already :)
Enjoying your analysis from Fiji 🇫🇯. Am a Pegasus person
Can you buy shoes from there easily enough?
Looking forward to an initial impressions review to be released on Monday. Let's hope it's under 8 minutes in length. 🤣👍
I think there would be at least 8 minutes of steam coming out of the reviewer's ears before even mentioning what the shoe is really about. There would be Nike and that I had to buy it myself, the limited drop, Pegasus (they were great when I was at school), the weight, the price, maybe the glue, the colour, the laces and that every other brand has a "better" shoe. Can't see what else there would be to say :) Oh well you must subscribe, the disclaimer (hope gets updated for this shoe), maybe the target number of subscribers too.
Hmmm, well i hear a lot of reviewers not liking shoes and then when i try them i think they are great
I think with this shoe, a lot will depend of your foot size. I see it is about 310g in the stock size of US 9. Any shoe I have at around 310g I would describe as "fairly light." This one comes in at 420g in my UK 13/US 14. I checked and it is the heaviest out and out road shoe I have ever tried - well of the near 200 shoes I have noted weights for since about 2018 when I started weighing my shoes. I don't "dislike" this shoe but am going to need to consider when and for what am going to use it. For instance I did a similar length run (bit over an hour) "today" (Sunday) in the Zoom Fly 6 and although my average pace wasn't that different to this Pegasus Premium "yesterday" it just felt somewhat easier and I think primarily as I had nearly 100g less on each foot although the ZF6 is clearly a "faster" shoe anyway.
Yeah, the weight is definitely a problem but I do think the bounce negates some of that weight. I kind of feared it would be another Max Cushion Plodder but like you said, it's not actually that soft. It does indeed share a lot of the Pegasus DNA.
Out of interest how much does your pair weigh and remind me what size you take? I saw Meaghan from BITR "noting" (not totally complaining) were very heavy but the actual weight for her is on a par with my carbon racers. Begs the question of what ratio of shoe weight to body weight is acceptable. I was 69kg back in 2005 for my marathon PB and these days hover more around 75kg. So am clearly much heavier than you but for somebody of my height 1.95m probably on the relatively "light" side. They didn't feel as bouncy as I thought that they might although I did wonder about my fitness and leg strength as kind of thought well actually this a good shoe for developing some! Also have never been totally convinced by air units in any shoe. I don't them am engaging the ReactX at the back very much if at all especially as I never see wear in my shoes in the heels. Did you notice that at all? That seems to be where the stability concerns from other reviewers come in - i.e. heel strikers.
@TimGrose @TimGrose Mine are a size EU 40 or UK 6. They weigh 275g. That's the heaviest Road Shoe I've ever(?) run in. Sounds dramatic but the Nimbus and Glycerin Max both came in at 265-270g, so it's not really a difference there.
I don't really notice the ReactX either. But interestingly it stops in the forefoot where you only have ZoomX and the Airpod and the outsole under foot. Instability wasn't a problem for me either. But I do forefoot strike where there is a considerably wider base. Like you said, Heel Strikers might have quite a different experience in this one.
Any shoe above 300 gr irritate my Hamstring.. Love the More V5 but at 320 gr can only go up to 6K before my Hamstring begins to notice the weight. No pains or injury just noticeable..
I don't think the weight of the shoe would irritate your hamstring! Sounds like it's the ride of them putting more effort through your upper legs. Probably too soft for you and you probably need to strengthen your legs.
@@Fozzee.1970 TBH, as I alluded to, I did find the weight of these showed me up as much as the shoe. After a while it just seem "harder" to pick my feet off the ground. 320g for me would be a "fairly light" shoe. Even the Pegasus Plus which is way "lighter" than the Premium and feels it is still 333g in a UK 13. My hamstrings mostly "sign" at me doing sprints although did once pull one just "running along" albeit was to the end of a longish run.
But what did sue make of them?
We need answers
@@macewindex564 I sneaked them past her yesterday as they came when she was out. Wonder if I will get "rumbled". Better discard the huge outer box they came in for a start! I fear her assessement would be "bricks" !!!
I was considering these as I'm looking for a more supportive/stable shoe due to battling with with posterior tibial tendonitis... But I'm thinking with the weight it may not be such a good option. Do you have any recommendations for supportive shoes? There's a plethora out there and I've no clue where to start!
Funnily enough I was back in the Zoom Fly 6 today and although they aren't a "supportive" shoe per se I feel they give them me some decent "support" and seem to be a lot "kinder" on my dodgy left Achilles area issues than most other shoes I have. What shoes are you using that you think aren't providing enough support? And yes although I don't "dislike" the Peg Premium, I did find the "weight" is a challenge and felt I was having to work harder than normal to "lift" my feet up. That said the majority of runners won't have my boat like feet and the extra weight penalty as a result. Although I found them "stable" I understand from other reviews that heel strikers especially may find these far from stable. I have started to do a little bit of testing of the Mount to Coast P1 "stability" shoe. It was far from a "conventional" stability shoe and fairly light but also bit on the firmer side by modern day standards but might be one to check out unless you do "super soft" which probably isn't great for support either.
@TimGrose I'm mostly running in a pair of New Balance 860s. Prior to that, I'd just complete a marathon at the start of December (Hoka Rocket 2), but I think this is just a biomechanical issue which I'm working hard on. I'm wary of relying too much on a shoe to resolve the problem long term, but in the short term don't want to set myself back in the short term! I think 'kinder' is the way to think!
@@IRunDaily yeah I think if you have an issue (as I have had for a while now) I feel it is a case of damage limitation. Eliminate shoes that basically give you pain from that start and work out which ones you can at least get out in - Zoom Fly 6 being my example "can run in" shoe but when say I did 10 miles in them before Xmas I was "suffering" much the same as I was after 4 hours of walking round a golf course yesterday ! Then again I have always found going to be a bit "stiff" after a long run in anything especially if not done so for a while. Another factor is how long you have had a shoe. For sure "worn out" ones can cause issues even if feel good because have moulded to your feet.
Lmao the start had me rolling
I was sort of intending to a shorts (hence that format in the main "review" section) but had too much footage for under a minute and "better" to show a skip in wide format :)
I returned my zf 6....to me it felt completely dead.....inferior top layer of x too thin and sr02 foam is dead
Ah probably my favourite shoe right now just to show we all have somewhat different likes. What is/are your goto shoe(s) right now? I recall you have rather long feet like me. I did a similar distance run in the ZF6 today (bit over an hour) to the one for this Peg Premium video and the much lighter weight alone made that run feel somewhat easier. Also, in that case, I wouldn't try these Pegs!
Cheers Tim. I think I'll pass on the Nike Pegasus Premium as seems a bit too much shoe for me. I'm only a size 9 - 9.5 so I know this shoe in my size would be significantly lighter than your size 13 but still heavier than I'm used to. Maybe a nice shoe to walk the dog in. Talking of shoes, I was having a clear out recently of old running shoes well passed their best and I came across a pair of original Vapourfly's in that vivid Pink colour scheme I'd forgotten I still had. Still look in pretty good shape and was reminded on Friday when I went for a lunchtime run in them what a fantastic shoe they are. A shame Nike made updates which in my view made them worse.
Yeah I also got a pair of those pink Pegs. I wore them for the London Marathon in 2021 and still comes out once in a while like all my other well used VF1s. I did buy a pair of StockX last year and so got at least one "almost new" pair left. Still got an unused pair of VF2s as well. Yeah I think anybody will think the Peg Premium is heavier than what you are used to. Nike UK says the UK 9 is 325g. That would be "fairly light" for me but imagine "rather heavy" for you (or worse) and indeed my pair at 420g is the heaviest road shoe I have ever used well since started weighing them so certainly my heaviest road shoe in at least 10 years if not ever.
429g! I predicated 400g...but wow. I knew scaling wouldn't be kind to this. The "boing" really comes into it's own after 20k or so, one the ZoomX molds to the bottom of your foot and the shoe materials loosen up a bit.
Not quite 429g :) Actually 421g left, 416g right. That said, just checked and that is the heaviest running shoe I have still got and indeed the heaviest out and out road shoe of any shoe out of the 168 different shoes (of any type) have noted weights for - since about 2018. Only ones ever used which were similar or more were the adias Adistar Raven (a trail shoe) which was 420g/421g and which I actually did a fair bit in and the awful adidas SolarGlide 4 GTX at a whooping 448g/444g which is the only shoe ever I did a mile in and had to turn back and put on something else on! I have now done almost 12K (hero for getting over 10K in a Pegasus) so will see if indeed it does what you say. Perils of a "first run review" but this was meant to be a Shorts (hence the vertical iPhone recording) but thought useful to stretch to a 2 minute "Quickie" !
On average in my spreadsheet of shoes I have had in the past several years the scaling factor from spec weigh (size 9) to actual weigh (size 13) is 1.25.
The Pegasus Premium is pretty clearly over the average and scales poorly.
The Rival Fly 4 is actually 1.14x and the best scaling factor on my entire spreadsheet. Others of note Streak LT 3 1.18x, Terrex Speed Ultra and Takumi Sen 10 1.19x, NNormal Kjerag and Vaporfly 4% Flyknit 1.20x.
@@brianreiter5572 It must be the 3D nature of high stack shoes that we are now suffering from. The Adios 9 is only 225g in my UK 13.5/US 14 and of course that stack isn't too high. I can't think anybody would call out that weight as "heavy" except perhaps in their goto short distance racer. Same always seem to apply for me with the Alphafly and made worse by having a much wider platform than say Vaporflys. If these Pegasus Premium were wider (and I think many may well wish they are) it could easily top 450g not the approx 420g mine are in a UK 13/US 14. Are you talking US sizes 9 to 13? One of my few reference points I have US 13-14 and UK 12-13 is that I got a pair of the OG Vaporfly 1 in a UK 12/13 in the green and they are 235g compared to same shoe in the UK 13/US 14 at 251g. Of course they had quite a narrow outsole. Also I had the same two sizes in the OG Prime X. Hugh difference - 333g to 382g although I did wonder if they came from different tooling as the bigger one I only got later.
I’ve had the adios 9 for a week and I think it is pretty comparable to a Streak 7 but reimagined into contemporary materials.
My adios 9 US 13 weigh in 227g which is lighter than a Streak 7 was at 243g but 1.23x the spec weight is “normal” scaling. However the absolute weight of these new materials is lighter.
@@brianreiter5572 that’s odd if your US 13 Adios 9 is 2g more than my US 14 ! Not same scales of course but like to think my measurements are at least relatively OK to each of my different shoes.
Weight will always beat any. BOunce a shoe can give you
yeah I think I found yesterday that early on I was bouncing more partly as was not then too tired and part due to the shoe. Later on it started to feel like a lot of shoe to lift off the ground.
@@TimGrose I have the Adidas Prime X2 which is heavy but it doesn't seem to bother me in this shoe. Even got a PB for 5k in it 🤣
I don't quite understand the classification as a "lifestyle" shoe ...? If running is my lifestyle then any running shoe I have is a lifestyle shoe!
Very true! My "lifestyle" shoe is a pair of cheap all black Nike Wearallday "trainers". I then do not look like I am about to go for a run and they are essentially much more comfortable to wear "all day" than my running ones. You could run in them but not too far.
Over 400g is unacceptable for a running shoe. I wouldn’t even consider it.
I was curious to see if the "tech" in these kind of overrides the weight. I think it does compared to a "normal" shoe that happened to be this heavy but whether it helps full stop is definitely questionable. One advantage for me is that doing some training in these will make anything else feel like got nothing on. Perhaps a high price to pay though for pseudo gym leg strength training.
Or you could just wear ankle weights for your warmup.
QA control! 5g diff!
As things go that is not "too bad". I have had a fair few 10g or more different and my "record" for a running shoe is Vomero 17 at 15g. And not just Nike shoes - some of the 10g or more ones are adidas, Saucony or UA.
420g?? 😱 Sure, that’s for a size 13 but still…
Yeah just checked and it is heaviest out and out road shoe of all the ones have noted weights for and that is back to about 2018. Maybe something in the past was heavier but I always tended to go for more racer/trainer shoes like say the older Bostons and similar back through the years.