If I’m trying to get value, I’m betting $700, same size the opponent bet. If I’m betting, thinking this guy likes to bluff and be aggressive, I’m going 1/4 to 1/3, and letting him raise me big and I’d probably snap it off. AJo is probably the best he comes with (maybe AQo). Most combos of Ax that are in our range beat his Ax combos. Since the opponent didn’t go wild at any point of this hand, it leads me to believe he has a decent hand. So I’d probably be going for value on this river.
If I had a hand like AT, and found myself at the river, I'd probably check/call. I think with our hand, if we are planning to bet turn, check fold brick rivers, we should be sizing up on the turn.
This seems like a rare instance to fall back on MDF. Count the combos you here with and compare to the pot odds and just call with the top of range. When he’s this wide blockers don’t really matter as much. If you weren’t c-betting with your big aces, you have to call with your overpairs. That’s all you have! If you fold overs and don’t have Ax in your range you’re folding everything. Playing right into his plan.
Bloating pots with medium strength hands against this player type is playing directly into his hands. You need to do a lot more checking and pot controlling to protect your range so you have some traps and robust call downs and you don’t have to constantly be guessing in spots like this.
Yeah, especially when you are out of position. I don't actually agree with Bart that knowing a turn call likely means check/fold when river bricks out means it was a mistake (although maybe that answer changes since he found it V was a LAG after that comment)?
The fact he took off a $500 chip before betting would kind of tell me its for value. Sure, villain could be trying to get away with a cheap bluff..but I just feel like I would be expecting a bigger sizing from him on the river. And the fact he went so small is setting off all the alarms that I'm beat.
@@amazinc754 I'm just saying..if this was a bluff from a maniac type player..the sizing being so small sets off alarms that hes actually going for value.
@@amazinc754 I mean, not saying I haven't seen LAGs do those kinds of "stack of chips,"-bets, but $700 in $100 is just 7 chips. Hardly intimidating imho. If this guy plays like some of the local LAGs I've run into, I think he was gonna bet however many $100s were in the stack, saw there was a $500 on it, and just took that off first. Often, these guys (my locals) do that, making uncounted "however much this is"-bets, with good-but-not-nut-value. As played, I think villain likely had SOMETHING with his Jh (AJ or JJ, occasionally J8/J9) and thinks he can get a few better hands to fold rather than just take showdown value.
Confirmed by him showing the Jh. He wanted hero to second guess himself and not feel good about folding. This was J2 or AJ all day. Unless villain is truly diabolically brilliant in which case pay the man. When showing one card, you want the other person to feel a certain way and it’s never to feel good. If you feel bad for your opponent and want them to feel good; you show both and never just one.
Bart your analysis here is genius and I learned a ton from it in a short time. However the exception is your flop analysis. Betting less than $150 and instead going $100 flop is terrible. You’re inviting a bloated multi way pot in the turn with just pocket jacks against 2-3 very different players. Betting half pot is perfect for better defining opponents ranges without unduly bloating it. Only AA doesn’t mind a couple pocket pairs or back door big card type hands floating flop with a call. Like you said, JJ needs protection. Although this is a different dynamic requiring a more subtle approach, I think inviting a multi way pot is no bueno. You got a LAG in the hand. Get the other player out and it’s easier to exploit the LAG - or induce LAG to let you exploit them.
One thing I don't think is talked about is a "good lag" WILL take notes on who at the table is playing well and will tighten up their range vs that particular player. (i.e, the ones who are not scared to the aggression and will call with logically sound hands in those spots). He probably had AJ in this spot (doesn't have to be suited), or something stupid like J2 hearts mb/c on later hands he WANTS you to think he's "bluffing" again so you call him. LAGs absolutely LOVE to show full bluffs to put people on tilt, and the fact that he only showed you 1 card makes me believe he had at least top pair if not the trips.
You said that you aren't really bluffing BUT worse will never call...isn't that the definition of a bluff? If worse is NEVER calling all you are trying to do is get better to fold.... that's bluffing!
Haven’t heard the reveal yet, but seems like WAYYYYY too much talk about the villain calling w no pair, only back door or A high, w a player behind. Which seems very unlikely.
I feel like he’s weighted towards trips or bluff. I don’t know that a LAG bets a hand with showdown value here on river, if the player is as described. I agree with Bart, I would have probably tossed in the call
Turn kills alot of action from hands JJ beats. 1/4 bet turn gets a little more value. On the river, if 1/4 bet called turn, I'd bring the 1/4 out again occasionally but it's very very thin. I think as played a check call is best on river. If raised, make the right decision...lol.
Never folding. You've seen him 3bet A8o prefop so that cuts down on some of his Ax floats on the flop. If he did float with Ax on the flop, then he's a 13 to 1 dog to hit on the turn. If he's always floating to the river to rep a 2 if he misses then he's still a 6 to 1 dog to hit an ace.
You know it was a good fold because he wanted you to think he was bluffing with the reveal (after everyone said he was bluffing)...but if he was really bluffing and wanted you to know it he would have turned over both cards
Don’t think it is ever J2 of hearts the way it was played. He would have wanted to build a bigger pot with that hand. A small percentage of the time it’s AJ. Most likely it was J8 of hearts or JX air that he took a stab with on the river to that huge pot. I have seen this so much in the mid stakes loose players in position. They are loose and don’t care about the stack in front of them but I don’t think they all are stupid; he knew he was in position and there was weakness on the river. That’s why being properly rolled is so important because when you get these opportunities you are not scared to stick the money in.
ughhh hate these kinds of spots with these types of players. my ass usually flicks in a call but in agreeance with the caller, sure as hell im the one trying to catch a bluff against actual value for once. Does seem this villain had J8 or J9 and genuinely thought they were good
Well, I think it's an easy fold since he took his purple chip off the blacks and bet with the 7 blacks. But, if he just bet 1 purple and 2 blacks, I snap call. 🤣
If you had a hand like AT+, how would you play this river if you made the same bet of $300 on the turn that the caller did?
if the Villain was as bluffy as the caller stated then I'd check and let him bluff with the intention of calling most bets.
Exact the same and snap-call river . In this instance prolly tank-call to such described player.
If I’m trying to get value, I’m betting $700, same size the opponent bet.
If I’m betting, thinking this guy likes to bluff and be aggressive, I’m going 1/4 to 1/3, and letting him raise me big and I’d probably snap it off.
AJo is probably the best he comes with (maybe AQo). Most combos of Ax that are in our range beat his Ax combos.
Since the opponent didn’t go wild at any point of this hand, it leads me to believe he has a decent hand. So I’d probably be going for value on this river.
If I had a hand like AT, and found myself at the river, I'd probably check/call. I think with our hand, if we are planning to bet turn, check fold brick rivers, we should be sizing up on the turn.
This seems like a rare instance to fall back on MDF. Count the combos you here with and compare to the pot odds and just call with the top of range. When he’s this wide blockers don’t really matter as much.
If you weren’t c-betting with your big aces, you have to call with your overpairs. That’s all you have!
If you fold overs and don’t have Ax in your range you’re folding everything. Playing right into his plan.
Bloating pots with medium strength hands against this player type is playing directly into his hands. You need to do a lot more checking and pot controlling to protect your range so you have some traps and robust call downs and you don’t have to constantly be guessing in spots like this.
Yeah, especially when you are out of position. I don't actually agree with Bart that knowing a turn call likely means check/fold when river bricks out means it was a mistake (although maybe that answer changes since he found it V was a LAG after that comment)?
Great content, I’ve been watching your channel for years.
The fact he took off a $500 chip before betting would kind of tell me its for value. Sure, villain could be trying to get away with a cheap bluff..but I just feel like I would be expecting a bigger sizing from him on the river. And the fact he went so small is setting off all the alarms that I'm beat.
I have to agree. It’s not 100% but these guys, in my opinion, bet big when they don’t have it and bet for value or check when they have you.
Or he's tryna intimidate with a large chip stack size
@@amazinc754 I'm just saying..if this was a bluff from a maniac type player..the sizing being so small sets off alarms that hes actually going for value.
@@amazinc754 I mean, not saying I haven't seen LAGs do those kinds of "stack of chips,"-bets, but $700 in $100 is just 7 chips. Hardly intimidating imho. If this guy plays like some of the local LAGs I've run into, I think he was gonna bet however many $100s were in the stack, saw there was a $500 on it, and just took that off first. Often, these guys (my locals) do that, making uncounted "however much this is"-bets, with good-but-not-nut-value. As played, I think villain likely had SOMETHING with his Jh (AJ or JJ, occasionally J8/J9) and thinks he can get a few better hands to fold rather than just take showdown value.
Confirmed by him showing the Jh. He wanted hero to second guess himself and not feel good about folding. This was J2 or AJ all day. Unless villain is truly diabolically brilliant in which case pay the man. When showing one card, you want the other person to feel a certain way and it’s never to feel good. If you feel bad for your opponent and want them to feel good; you show both and never just one.
Why are we betting turn if we are folding to a bet that gives us nearly 3 to 1 on the river
Bart your analysis here is genius and I learned a ton from it in a short time. However the exception is your flop analysis. Betting less than $150 and instead going $100 flop is terrible. You’re inviting a bloated multi way pot in the turn with just pocket jacks against 2-3 very different players. Betting half pot is perfect for better defining opponents ranges without unduly bloating it. Only AA doesn’t mind a couple pocket pairs or back door big card type hands floating flop with a call.
Like you said, JJ needs protection. Although this is a different dynamic requiring a more subtle approach, I think inviting a multi way pot is no bueno. You got a LAG in the hand. Get the other player out and it’s easier to exploit the LAG - or induce LAG to let you exploit them.
When is Bart playing on hustler live. This Thursday ??? Oct 3 ?!
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@@CrushlivePoker thank you I will be there!! ( watching from my phone lol)
J8hh
If he had JJ or 1010, why would he bet the river?
I feel like he turned a pair of 8 into a bluff.
Reveal shows a Jh. Zero back door potential basically
One thing I don't think is talked about is a "good lag" WILL take notes on who at the table is playing well and will tighten up their range vs that particular player. (i.e, the ones who are not scared to the aggression and will call with logically sound hands in those spots). He probably had AJ in this spot (doesn't have to be suited), or something stupid like J2 hearts mb/c on later hands he WANTS you to think he's "bluffing" again so you call him.
LAGs absolutely LOVE to show full bluffs to put people on tilt, and the fact that he only showed you 1 card makes me believe he had at least top pair if not the trips.
Could be way off but I think it’s possible, although still unlikely, villain was value betting worse there on the river.
You said that you aren't really bluffing BUT worse will never call...isn't that the definition of a bluff? If worse is NEVER calling all you are trying to do is get better to fold.... that's bluffing!
Disappointed in Bart on this one too
Haven’t heard the reveal yet, but seems like WAYYYYY too much talk about the villain calling w no pair, only back door or A high, w a player behind. Which seems very unlikely.
Anyone playing against me has the Ace. Period.
I DESPISE people showing one card.
Who hurt you?
I feel like he’s weighted towards trips or bluff. I don’t know that a LAG bets a hand with showdown value here on river, if the player is as described. I agree with Bart, I would have probably tossed in the call
Turn kills alot of action from hands JJ beats. 1/4 bet turn gets a little more value. On the river, if 1/4 bet called turn, I'd bring the 1/4 out again occasionally but it's very very thin. I think as played a check call is best on river. If raised, make the right decision...lol.
I'm loosing against someone like that
Never folding. You've seen him 3bet A8o prefop so that cuts down on some of his Ax floats on the flop. If he did float with Ax on the flop, then he's a 13 to 1 dog to hit on the turn. If he's always floating to the river to rep a 2 if he misses then he's still a 6 to 1 dog to hit an ace.
Just feel the need to say that the thumbnail is truly disturbing.
15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD
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I thought the same lol
can't find bluffs
A2, A8, A10, AJ, AQ, AK all call pre and float the flop
river bet is value
You think a LAG IS just flitting with AK and AQ pre?
ok i'm not going insane. the thumbnail for this video on mobile is different from the thumbnail on the PC. i didn't know you could do this.
You know it was a good fold because he wanted you to think he was bluffing with the reveal (after everyone said he was bluffing)...but if he was really bluffing and wanted you to know it he would have turned over both cards
What in the world are you betting turn for. ?
Don’t think it is ever J2 of hearts the way it was played. He would have wanted to build a bigger pot with that hand. A small percentage of the time it’s AJ. Most likely it was J8 of hearts or JX air that he took a stab with on the river to that huge pot. I have seen this so much in the mid stakes loose players in position. They are loose and don’t care about the stack in front of them but I don’t think they all are stupid; he knew he was in position and there was weakness on the river. That’s why being properly rolled is so important because when you get these opportunities you are not scared to stick the money in.
Straight fold
He didn’t have AJ. He’s not jamming River with AJ
I'm feeling a deuce, because that's my luck in these situations
ughhh hate these kinds of spots with these types of players. my ass usually flicks in a call but in agreeance with the caller, sure as hell im the one trying to catch a bluff against actual value for once. Does seem this villain had J8 or J9 and genuinely thought they were good
lol when he shows the Jh he ALWAYS has either AJ or J2
Ace duece
play the player more than the hand
A -4 bart?
When the cards turn on you it’s impossible
Well, I think it's an easy fold since he took his purple chip off the blacks and bet with the 7 blacks. But, if he just bet 1 purple and 2 blacks, I snap call. 🤣
Thumbnail is horrifying
Aj
Im quite sure it was this or J2❤, didnt feel that bluffy
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