I literally watched as my Nan died at the hands of those dishing out the Liverpool care path - there was NO CARE in it, she was suffering and she was lying in her own urine, cold and thirsty. WHERE the HELL is the dignity in this...she was crying out in pain and kept asking for a drink of water. If I hadnt been there she wouldve been IGNORED. THIS in a hospice too.
Nobody has to die in pain and when people do its bad management on the part of the NHS their doctors and the system ... all of these things start with the best of intentions only to be eroded by good and evil people ...
Don't go down the road that Canada has gone. My mum lives in Liverpool. She is 91 and was recently in the hospital. Mum is totally in her right mind and is normally healthy. Twice she was asked if they could withdraw food and water from her. She told them no. She went home after a couple of weeks restored to health. My parents paid their taxes for decades. They deserve decent hospital care.
Horrifying to know that only because of her age, they wanted her to stop living! I wonder if those people who live into over 100 do it only, because they do have family around them... 🤔 Because this must be common practice if she was asked twice during her stay.
Yes they did that to my aunt. She went into hospital with a stomach ulcer and was put on COVID ward without us knowing. Her husband wasn't allowed to visit except once by begging. She was due to come home and they said she needed more tests and then they sedated her and then told my uncle she was dying
my mother has been in the grips of advanced vascular dementia for 7 years longer than her life expectancy. She cries everyday but cant speak & has no control of her bodily functions. Im there everyday and I know my mum. she would've wanted out years ago.
Trust, do we have full trust in all medical staff, do we have full trust in all the politicians. Do we trust the safe guards are solid and not open to misinterpretation.
This vote should only be made by those that the vote affects. The dying and their families. Not politicians or other people supporting their own ideology.
@NobbingNobby just incase you haven't noticed but babies can't vote. There are sufficient numbers in today's snapshot of the population that are affected now. Only they should vote. Not meddling busybodies like you. Or politicians.
How about we give more support to people that are in such a bad depression. I understand about the diseases and terminally ill part but it shouldn’t be rolled out to wider people.
This bill terrifies me, especially after the way covid was handled. The government has far too much control in our lives. And where was our right in covid era to not want a certain new treatment in our body. These people are hypocrites
Private members bills are not a priority of Parliament, they often get delayed and they don't go through because there is not enough time a bill has many stages and Parliament ends in the summer and there will be quite a few breaks before then the media have been reporting this story as though this bill was about to become law,
It is for people with less than 6 months to live and is down to them. I fully support this bill. If it had been in place my husband would not have had to starve to death in pain. Palliative care is a joke.
@@notyourordinarygran most private members bills don't go through, they are not the priority of Parliament and it would have to go through before the end of this Parliament and theres not enough time, its Dec now and this Parliament ends in July, and there are several holidays
Something like this should not be entrusted to the machine. It should have been decided by referendum as it affects us all. Of course, the uni-party was in agreement because they won't want to waste money on preventative care and want to end you at first opportunity.
@DeneMonkey opinion data said we wouldn't leave the EU, and Kamala Harris would win the US election. Nothing is certain unless it's left to the people's vote.
The Christian guy has it, but the most important argument against is that the dying people will feel obliged to go for it because they know the money could be used for the young in the family what they love.
I support the bill because there are a small number of terminally ill people who cannot have their pain relieved and they should have this option. Of course I welcome careful consideration of the safeguards which is essential.
I have progressive ms. Final stages are horrible. I don't want this death to be long and frightening, where eventually I can't swallow or eat by myself. Why would anyone choose this. It's easy for healthy people to argue against it. And as for the argument that ' oh the final stages were horrible but she loved every minute of it 'even sounds awful. I want to die with dignity, it's my life it's my choice. The reason the deaths in countries that allow assisted dying rise by so much is because people from countries that won't allow assisted dying go to countries that do allow them allow them to die with dignity and not suffer
Best intentions, as with Canada, where currently euthansia is the 5th commonest cause of deaths. Think on that. Too open to abuse. Doctors cannot state have 6 months to live, its not precise. Some will go in 2 weeks others in 2 years. Far better option is excellent palliative care, but unlikely to get improvements there because this law will be in place (& cheaper option). Roman Catholics know this is a mortal sin, so at least they know less likely to see the abuse - because we know woupd never accept it. Wonder if likely to see a lot of disabled & chronically ill converting to Catholicism?
Extremely disingenuous arguments being made, that doctors will suggest and recommend ending one's life. Doctors in the UK are forbidden from suggesting private healthcare despite waiting lists being long. We have very good medical ethics, the state and NHS will oppose assisted death, they will only fulfil a request that comes from the personal choice of the patient.
The Rabbi in error says there is no merit in suffering. Christ died on the cross to redeem us, hence he showed us that the cross is the means of our redemption. Just because people don't believe it, doesn't make it less real. If Christ is who He says He is then there is a God and there is judgement and there is heaven and hell and no amount of denying it or having an alternative opinion will change this reality. It is something we all need to consider! Only Christ claimed to be God and only Christ rose from the dead! His way of life has built Christian civilisation and all the benefits that go with it, now we are squandering it!
@@lizlyon2902 Then you are going to be in for one hell of a shock when you die! Have you ever looked into the case for Christ? Ignorance won't help you!
@@bronte333 If God is real and Jesus Christ is Who He says He is then it really does apply whether you believe it or not. Have you ever looked into the case for Christ? Ignorance won't help you. Have you ever heard of the incorrupt saints in the catholic church, or of the Eucharistic miracles, or of the shroud of Turin, or of the miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, or of the miracle of the sun at Fatima witnessed by 70,000 people?
To many people religion does matter, suicide is a sin. Whether you believe that or not does not matter, you have no right to tell people who have a religious faith that their beliefs do not matter.
look up what is happening in Netherlands and Canada.. half the ppl are under 30 .. and in Netherlands 40% of cases it was not the patient themself deciding.. this is very sinister
Unless you have watched the traumatic death of your beloved gentle loving mother dying in agony, pleading with you to help her die, then shut up. Not everyone believes in God, not everyone is suitable for palliative care. I'm left with terrible mental health issues of guilt because of my mums death. This lawyer has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, he is basing death on his faith.
I literally watched as my Nan died at the hands of those dishing out the Liverpool care path - there was NO CARE in it, she was suffering and she was lying in her own urine, cold and thirsty. WHERE the HELL is the dignity in this...she was crying out in pain and kept asking for a drink of water. If I hadnt been there she wouldve been IGNORED. THIS in a hospice too.
I am SICK of the FACT that from cradle and now to grave the damn government and politicians have a huge hand in it when they should NOT
its a huge overeach on their part and all we ever want from them is to keep the lights on and the systems running efficiently
Nobody has to die in pain and when people do its bad management on the part of the NHS their doctors and the system ... all of these things start with the best of intentions only to be eroded by good and evil people ...
Don't go down the road that Canada has gone. My mum lives in Liverpool. She is 91 and was recently in the hospital. Mum is totally in her right mind and is normally healthy. Twice she was asked if they could withdraw food and water from her. She told them no. She went home after a couple of weeks restored to health. My parents paid their taxes for decades. They deserve decent hospital care.
Horrifying to know that only because of her age, they wanted her to stop living!
I wonder if those people who live into over 100 do it only, because they do have family around them... 🤔
Because this must be common practice if she was asked twice during her stay.
This bill is for people who got 6 months and is up to the person no one else
The Rabbi is a fool.
Yes they did that to my aunt. She went into hospital with a stomach ulcer and was put on COVID ward without us knowing. Her husband wasn't allowed to visit except once by begging. She was due to come home and they said she needed more tests and then they sedated her and then told my uncle she was dying
@@debramckay4611 Good God that is appalling.
my mother has been in the grips of advanced vascular dementia for 7 years longer than her life expectancy. She cries everyday but cant speak & has no control of her bodily functions. Im there everyday and I know my mum. she would've wanted out years ago.
God help us if the politicians are in control of this.
Quality.of life not quantity.
Trust, do we have full trust in all medical staff, do we have full trust in all the politicians. Do we trust the safe guards are solid and not open to misinterpretation.
The Rabbi is a fool.
It's awful, but already happening, I witnessed it first hand
This vote should only be made by those that the vote affects. The dying and their families.
Not politicians or other people supporting their own ideology.
Nonsense. The law will apply to anyone born now and even to those unborn.
@NobbingNobby just incase you haven't noticed but babies can't vote. There are sufficient numbers in today's snapshot of the population that are affected now. Only they should vote. Not meddling busybodies like you. Or politicians.
That is what the vote is about. People should be able to make their own decision.
How about we give more support to people that are in such a bad depression. I understand about the diseases and terminally ill part but it shouldn’t be rolled out to wider people.
This should not be for the politicians to decide. No politician should ever decide such things .
Rabbi Romain, Esther Rantzen. There does seem to be a certain minority who advocate for this.
Two people... kind of reaching there.
Keep your antisemitism to yourself.😡
This bill terrifies me, especially after the way covid was handled. The government has far too much control in our lives. And where was our right in covid era to not want a certain new treatment in our body. These people are hypocrites
Private members bills are not a priority of Parliament, they often get delayed and
they don't go through because there is not enough time
a bill has many stages and Parliament ends in the summer and there will be quite a few breaks before then
the media have been reporting this story as though this bill was about to become
law,
It is for people with less than 6 months to live and is down to them. I fully support this bill. If it had been in place my husband would not have had to starve to death in pain. Palliative care is a joke.
@@notyourordinarygran most private members bills don't go through, they are not the priority of Parliament and it would have to go through before the end of this Parliament and theres not enough time, its Dec now
and this Parliament ends in July, and there are several holidays
🤣 suicidebooth ⚰ not like the nhs dont employ third world doctors with qualifications from timbucktwo 🤣🤣 welcome to stop and drop 🙄
The government makes people's life so painful to live that some people are pushed to choose to end their life.
Thankyou Michael
Something like this should not be entrusted to the machine. It should have been decided by referendum as it affects us all. Of course, the uni-party was in agreement because they won't want to waste money on preventative care and want to end you at first opportunity.
Data say most of UK agreed with the bill
@DeneMonkey opinion data said we wouldn't leave the EU, and Kamala Harris would win the US election. Nothing is certain unless it's left to the people's vote.
@@pauls2876 and many are regretting voting for Brexit
@@DeneMonkey that may be a fact, but you have no idea if they're in the majority.
@DeneMonkey and do they even have a coherent reason why they've come to that conclusion of regret?
The Christian guy has it, but the most important argument against is that the dying people will feel obliged to go for it because they know the money could be used for the young in the family what they love.
Guilt ...exactly.
I support the bill because there are a small number of terminally ill people who cannot have their pain relieved and they should have this option. Of course I welcome careful consideration of the safeguards which is essential.
I have progressive ms. Final stages are horrible. I don't want this death to be long and frightening, where eventually I can't swallow or eat by myself. Why would anyone choose this. It's easy for healthy people to argue against it. And as for the argument that ' oh the final stages were horrible but she loved every minute of it 'even sounds awful. I want to die with dignity, it's my life it's my choice. The reason the deaths in countries that allow assisted dying rise by so much is because people from countries that won't allow assisted dying go to countries that do allow them allow them to die with dignity and not suffer
Best intentions, as with Canada, where currently euthansia is the 5th commonest cause of deaths. Think on that. Too open to abuse. Doctors cannot state have 6 months to live, its not precise. Some will go in 2 weeks others in 2 years. Far better option is excellent palliative care, but unlikely to get improvements there because this law will be in place (& cheaper option). Roman Catholics know this is a mortal sin, so at least they know less likely to see the abuse - because we know woupd never accept it. Wonder if likely to see a lot of disabled & chronically ill converting to Catholicism?
Amen
More jobs for Euth' Club Leaders.
Extremely disingenuous arguments being made, that doctors will suggest and recommend ending one's life. Doctors in the UK are forbidden from suggesting private healthcare despite waiting lists being long. We have very good medical ethics, the state and NHS will oppose assisted death, they will only fulfil a request that comes from the personal choice of the patient.
Things change, and we tend to shadow USA in many things...especially medical procedures.
STARMER: "First withdraw heating, 2) wait for hypothermia symptoms to manifest, 3) offer assisted suicide💉- BOOM!💥 Another pension clawed back!💰💲💰💲💰
The Rabbi in error says there is no merit in suffering. Christ died on the cross to redeem us, hence he showed us that the cross is the means of our redemption. Just because people don't believe it, doesn't make it less real. If Christ is who He says He is then there is a God and there is judgement and there is heaven and hell and no amount of denying it or having an alternative opinion will change this reality. It is something we all need to consider! Only Christ claimed to be God and only Christ rose from the dead! His way of life has built Christian civilisation and all the benefits that go with it, now we are squandering it!
All of this only applies if you believe in God.
A lot of us do not believe in God.or any religion.
@@lizlyon2902and many do not believe in active elimination.
@@lizlyon2902 Then you are going to be in for one hell of a shock when you die! Have you ever looked into the case for Christ? Ignorance won't help you!
@@bronte333 If God is real and Jesus Christ is Who He says He is then it really does apply whether you believe it or not. Have you ever looked into the case for Christ? Ignorance won't help you. Have you ever heard of the incorrupt saints in the catholic church, or of the Eucharistic miracles, or of the shroud of Turin, or of the miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, or of the miracle of the sun at Fatima witnessed by 70,000 people?
We need to keep religion out of these kinds of discussions and focus on facts.
To many people religion does matter, suicide is a sin. Whether you believe that or not does not matter, you have no right to tell people who have a religious faith that their beliefs do not matter.
God is a matter of fact my friend - not opinion!!
@@Rosemary-iz5vcIndeed!👍
@@Rosemary-iz5vc I am not a believer of religion, but agree you must have your view listened to.
Thats why we need more carers but many think this country is too full up
Thought Cristo got the aack a few weeks ago
The lawyer is coming at this from a religious angle so what he has to say about other peoples decisions is null and void. He was also quite rude.
look up what is happening in Netherlands and Canada.. half the ppl are under 30 .. and in Netherlands 40% of cases it was not the patient themself deciding.. this is very sinister
The Rabbi is a fool. He clearly hasn't been paying attention these last few years. He should know better.
@judithcressey1682 we are all allowed our opinions.
I disagree
Unless you have watched the traumatic death of your beloved gentle loving mother dying in agony, pleading with you to help her die, then shut up. Not everyone believes in God, not everyone is suitable for palliative care. I'm left with terrible mental health issues of guilt because of my mums death. This lawyer has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, he is basing death on his faith.