Wizards Announcement-Good For Players? Or Wizards Self Interest?
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Foundation core set should be 1,000+ cards if WotC want a set to last 4 to 5 years and have a good sell. Foundation should contain cards that can compete with the older players. Old competitive players and prices will drive new players away, so the set should have actual good cards to be competitive at a reasonable price.
@@Gaming_Antics love that idea
"But she's got a new hat!"
- Waylon Smithers
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WotC are DESPERATE to rehabilitate standard. I _think_ their intention is that a deck would be made of a base of about 50% foundation cards, with the rest being cards that rotate more quickly to stop the perceived sticker shock of having to ditch everything.
I like the idea, really.
Great comments
Holy BOOMSTICK! That was a crazy and unexpected surprise at the end. I was not prepared and will need some time to recover.
Imagine a "base" set that "rotates" only every 5 years or so. Now add to this small expansion sets of 143 cards or so... sound familiar?
(Look at Hearthstone concept, look at MtG aftermath box sizes, think of old "block" Release sizes...)
Here's my perspective as a commander player: I haven't tried Standard mainly because I feel it's too expensive. It's not like a high powered commander deck isn't also expensive (Mines run between 1000-1700 bucks and I haven't attempted to get really expensive cards like LED or dual lands yet) however I feel my money is far better spent getting only one copy of the expensive cards. Sure it can get annoying to switch around or print proxies for other decks but I feel it's a good tradeoff: If I need a sanctioned/tournament commander deck I can take the time to put in my originals and if it's casual I can just use proxies of cards I already own.
In standard however, most of the time the expectation is far less casual play and more sanctioned events so, having to put together a deck with up to 4x copies of cards feels a lot more expensive. It's not all that much but I know that cards will only be functional 2-3 years and usually less since the game changes so often with new expansions tactics I'd choose for a deck today might need to be re-configured or outright disregarded.
So having a stable 'Forever' base to standard might actually make it slightly cheaper and more accessible. Not by much but by some. So I personally would like the Foundations concept of at least 2029 if not 'For good' base. But that's because well, I am not a Standard player: This change is basically turning Standard into something of a mini pioneer/modern instead, basically not standard at all so if I was a current player of Standard, I'd be rather angry ngl.
@@dimitriid great comments
It's still very much Standard. The reality is that so many cards that rotate out have a very similar card replace them, in almost all cases. We aren't talking about a situation where WotC is going to be printing Sheoldred into Foundations. We are talking about ramp cards Llanowar Elves and removal like Fatal Push.
This is nothing more than what Standard was when the game had A/B/U, Revised, 4th, and 5th Edition all the way back in 1997 when I started playing. They can put tried and true cards into the set. It keeps those cards dirt cheap. The chase stuff will stay with the expansions.
I mean, Wizards could ABSOLUTELY screw it up. But it's pretty hard to screw up such a simple concept. So long as they don't screw it up, this will make the core stuff like lands, mana dorks, and removal that they know that they want in Standard SO much cheaper. Then it's just buy what you need to flesh out the deck with each new set.
@@Xoulrath_ I was an old Type 1 player and I took a long break from Magic. When I came back to Standard, I was really thrown off by the lack of a core set.
@@przemekkozlowski7835 yeah, I've jumped in and out of the game over the years myself. I've come back to core sets existing. I've also come back to them not existing. While a lot of old school players like us might not always need anything from core sets, we were new at one point, and benefitted greatly from them. I would imagine that all new and/or returning players will.
I'd imagine that this is a bad business decision like so many of Wizards other blunders. The numbers didn't line up the way that they wanted them to, so that was enough to scrap the core sets. Then they see a decline in new players because there is no easy access point to the game. It's typical short-sigthed profits this quarter at the expense of everything else corporate mentality that has destroyed so much over the last couple of decades.
Did fallout really bring in players? Canceled orders, short printed, way over priced pieces of cardboard. If anything it pushed new players away because they were excited to try and couldn't get the product.
@@plecoguy yep it for the errors seems to have grabbed a few!
A few friends of mine picked up some fallout decks.
They have not opened them yet. Will they convert to players? Maybe. I'm trying.
It sounded to me like bringing back deckbuilder's toolkit, but the problem with that was the cards weren't all standard legal so this is making sure LGS's keep toolkits in stock
Boomstick
Is someone preparing their evil laugh for Dustmoore?... only in the ramble jamble...
@@MoReese77 lol
Affordable and replayability of the cards is important. It drives in more player and enthusiasm.
Nadu or NahDon’t… That's the question #BLOOMstick #FirstMoxsters #PatronShoutouts #RambleJamble
B I R D S U M M E R
Definitely NaDon't. Nobody want's to watch dudes play with their birds for 10 minutes 😂
Boomstick! Totally agree, there should be always be a current core set! Been playing since the current tap symbol (fifth edition!)!😁
They should have combined core set and jump start for a standard legal introductory set that also replaces starter intro decks
Boomstick 💥 interesting product line Ramble Jamble 😮
Brushwagg!
They look like how i imagined!
Boomstick
That's some pretty maniacal laughter there Moxman. Nice logo
Just opened a MH3 bundle and was disappointed that they did away with the smaller second box, and other then the dice there was nothing in the box, the listing on Amazon said "exclusive accessories. The quality and quantity of what we get goes down as the price constantly goes up. Now I remember why I don't buy sealed product!
Most people thought i was crazy but i enjoyed the intro decks. They weren't usually very powerful out of the box but they came with two booster packs each and were great to teach my kids how to play. About $50 and i got 5 playable decks and 10 boosters. I even pulled a windswept heath invocation out of the battle for zendikar intro deck booster pack. Love the ramble jamble.
I think it’s both , a good entry and start point for new players or have good game pieces that’ll last awhile is also good for the players. If it’s cards as an investment , it won’t be that and that’s ok. Plenty of cards to chase for investments.
I’m excited for this. Hopefully they pull / pick cards from the entirety of all printed magic cards.
They can revolutionize how standard is played and essentially make a new game.
My big problem was that they removed the core set to begin with. Now if they cut price, even at the cost of rarity content, maybe... I would consider buying some pack. But if they hammer the price, even with a few specialized product, they lost me. Their is no way WofC could compete with the repackaging cheap pack. And don't forget, they original beginner deck had around 20 lands and color mixed random card. You could genuinely buy three started deck and end up with three different deck. If they reinstall that kind of product, the draft tournament will be a joyride to set up, but if they do something else... for me it will be a swansong for Magic.
I don't know why they got rid of core sets. Core sets are usually easier to draft and I enjoy them. They can be a nice pallet cleanser.
Soldevi Excavations is never surprised!
I think the standard 5-year rotation "core" set is a good thing. I don't think it will be excessively priced. Instead of making a bunch of "Game Night" products, they can put this out there. No vastly intrinsic value to the cards themselves, but it provides a baseline for 5 years for the game as a whole. Each expansion would be in line with that base line ( meaning that would be the starting point for power but the expansions would have small boosts here and there).
It helps the power inflation of the game to stay in check. It provides a non-inflating priced product for people entering MTG. It should* provide enough core mechanics to build upon and be, not "competitive" but playable with more in-depth decks.
Honestly, aside from Bloomburrow, Foundations gives me the best feelings towards WoTC/Hasbro in 2024. Not as a dollar-value set, but as a game-value product.
#BOMSTICK
I am 60 and will start selling my RPG, CCG and TTWG items soon. Expected sales 10K+ ( of the 30% of my collection that has value today ), cost 15K+. 50 years of fun and entertainment. Value per hour HIGH.
@@nineseven420empire3 lol awesome
We finally get the fourth portal set, boom stick.
Mox man things are looking wild after I noticed a few things about lotr and a reprint of the one ring! wild wotc can’t reprint it
I assume the timing is for the Christmas market.
There should be some good reprints for commander decks.
I wonder what power level this will have in terms of fitting in with power creep.
I think core sets have always been handy and historically they have introduced answers to problem cards from other sets.
But given the state of paper standard, will foundations actually make any difference?
To early to tell, but looking forward to that spoiler season.
Just let me get my Duskmourn cards first 😂
Duskmourn is exactly the same price as OTJ. Not sure how these price increase rumors get started.
Bloomstick! 😂🎉 but yeah that foundry stuff too 🤦🏽♂️
@@DizDean Boomstick
10:28 want to know what I think Mox Man? I think ..... I think ...... Narfle the garthok!
Ramble on!
If wizards needs more money 1: make a msrp set price (not overwhelming) 2: make the set have very highly sought after reprints more available in not just 3 or 4 packs but every pack ( just look at the card market and pick the highest rare/mythic from every set) 3: fight the card market if you drive up the prints on sought after cards you wont need to buy singles keeping msrp you dont make a net loss 4: finally make it unlimited. Its really not that hard its good for hasbro new/old players and ruins the collectors its a game first and a collectable second
They said it'll be in standard for five years, but I doubt it'll be in print for that long.
Lol nice comments
@@MTGMOXMAN they might need to add two or three foundations packs to the bundle, to remind people that the set exists.
I have mixed feeling about this product. I do like the general idea but I still think the price point might be a bit too high for people who just want to try magic for the first time.
👀 the green horns are coming,buy all the reserved list you can
I think the "A" symbol in foundAtion is reminiscent of Alchemy. It means something, I'm sure - just not sure what. If nothing else it will probably be the set symbol. Lol
Is foundations for standard or modern? Maybe pioneer?
WotC is the Games Workshop of the USA
MoxMan : ''And go to pre-release every weekends'' Hasbro : ''We gonna get there''
In regards to the ramble jamble To qoute Happy Gilmore. " The price is wrong B!**$#", is more inline with what i have come to expect from WOTC.😂
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Putting eternals in your rotations like horizons puts rotations in your eternal... the worst of both worlds!
They aren't doing anything but going back to core sets, which literally existed since the game started. They reprinted most of those cards for years with each new core set. It kept cards in circulation and made it easier for new players to jump into the game. Why they stopped doing this, most people do not know and question often.
@@Xoulrath_ except they aren't they said that the cards will be in the game for a 5 year minimum and because of how they worded it, could mean indefinitely.
"Like core sets" is a marketing tool, not the truth.
@@icholi88 the core sets barely changed over the first five years of the game. They lost cards like the Power 9. They eventually removed the Duals from the core sets as well. This isn't an issue.
@@Xoulrath_ I hope your right, but I doubt it
@@icholi88 oh I don't discount the fact that WotC/Hasbro could fuck it up, because it's WotC/Hasbro, and that seems to be what they do now. But the concept itself, as I mentioned already, dates back to the beginning of the game. It's easy enough to manage and there is a track record of it being managed well. So yeah, they COULD fuck it up, but it would destroy so much credibility with the game if they do, that I don't think that they will.
WotC has literally never made a decision that was in the best interest of the players.
Late to this vid but i think it will be overpriced, I believe no matter what cards are in a set starter stuff(precons, and kits) should be $24.99, play booster boxes should be $110 and collector booster boxes $230 and then price fluctuates after release
Mwahahaa... haha!
Foundation is doomed to fail, it will never have a Soldevi Excavations!! On the other hand, I'd imagine something more like the Portal sets from the 90s as "intro set", along with a good mix of evergreen reprints and exciting new cards. Keep them easy, not 10 lines of text on a card.
Good for players, or Wizards self interest? Why not both?
Hmmm…..me thinks WOTC will do what it always does. 1/4 the effort will inevitably equate to 4 times the price.
RAMBLE TO THE J. A. M. BLE
@@magicpesto Boomstick
Should take after Walmart and male it a loss leader.
Reprint the og dual lands for new players.
Boomstick 💢
Cards are now printed front and back with 8000 keywords and a wall of text on either side.
WoTC is right to simplify the game to help bring in players. They’ve made it far too complicated with some… let’s be honest, dumb concepts and rules
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Ramble jamble
Foundations is like Magic: Origins but the logo feels totally queer.
So oppressed that you can't escape them.
Here, give me $60 to get you newbie's into this game... and then it's only $10 a pack for 7 cards going forward. Oh, and we release a new set every month so you can't actually enjoy the themes and sets. It's just a diarrhea of cards coming at you. You'll love it lol... just more crap. Terrible Name, Terrible Logo, and Terrible color scheme. Wouldn't recommend it for a new player, not going to buy it as an experienced one. Suck it WotC! I do need me one of those sexy stickers though!
i absolutey hate the way you make uninformative inflammatory content
Junk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do we make MTG players happy? Create the 100th set in a 1yr span... The timeframe that was MH3-AC is the reason Im just 99% done with buying their product. Im not doing this anymore!