I really liked this discussion, and one thing that hit me recently was the question _"what _*_is_*_ rest?"_ and, more particularly, *_"What does it mean to 'enter into God's rest'?"_*
David Bahnsen would be a good guest on this subject, especially given his new book “Fulltime: Work and the Meaning of Life” think you guys would have differing perspectives that could create an engaging conversation.
I like Bahnsen but he's too ideologically Libertarian on economics. A fully orbed Christian view on economics doesn't seem to square up perfectly with Libertarianism.
@@mickey_rose unfortunately I have been too busy with tax extensions to get to the book but I’ve picked up the gist from his speaking presentations on the matter. Hopefully I’ll catch up on my reading in November and December
I enjoyed Bahnsen's book, good Kuyperian stuff. However, my concern with his book is that in order to make his point (that we are made to work) he fuses vocational work with the good works that God created us for (cf. Ephesians 2:1-10). I don't have quotes on hand, so take this with a grain of salt, but in Bahnsen's attempt to (rightfully) push against pietists who aggressively separate vocation from the Kingdom of God, Bahnsen seems to make vocation the focal point of reality rather than God's redemptive work that takes place through the building up of his church. With that is my concern that he seems to place our identity in vocation (what we do) rather than Christ (what he's done for us). In other words, I think Bahnsen unintentionally falls into the Protestant/Reformed vocational ditch the Pugcast crew address, though there is still good in it.
To clarify - wasn’t the Protestant work ethic an observation made by outsiders that certain sects of Protestants seemed very diligent and productive compared with others but it was later revealed to be a kind of virtue signalling because they were operating under the belief that God rewards with prosperity and wealth those who are right with him. Therefore an outward sign of piety became outward success. Therefore the drive to look successful and therefore to look to be right with God led to the motivation to be driven - it was often fieled by the desire to appear virtuous. An early form of virtue signalljng - much like those caught up in the cult of environmentalism trip over themselves to use word salads in their linked in profiles saying they are decarvonozing their businesses while trying to maximize shareholder , oops I mean stakeholder value? What gobbledegook - in other words they are trying to reduce waste and maximize income. What silly nonsense from the carbon life forms. But we say and attempt to do what makes us appear virtuous depending on the whims of what the world of our day claims is virtue. Martha was doing a bit of virtue signallling that Jesus had to correct by pointing that Mary had chosen the better use of time and focus
I always enjoy these conversations.
Thanks.
Excellent conversation! Thank you!!
In the House of Tom Bombadil is a wonderful book! Loved it.
This is a great show!
I really liked this discussion, and one thing that hit me recently was the question _"what _*_is_*_ rest?"_ and, more particularly, *_"What does it mean to 'enter into God's rest'?"_*
I appreciate the thoughtfulness of the conversation! (Btw, the link to view more media in your video description doesn't work)
We started a drinking game. Every time Tom says "if you will", we take a shot.
I love this interesting content keep it up guys!
David Bahnsen would be a good guest on this subject, especially given his new book “Fulltime: Work and the Meaning of Life” think you guys would have differing perspectives that could create an engaging conversation.
I had a few disagreements with Bahnsen when I read that book. Did you experience the same?
Echo dapper. I suspect there is less disagreement than you might think
I like Bahnsen but he's too ideologically Libertarian on economics. A fully orbed Christian view on economics doesn't seem to square up perfectly with Libertarianism.
@@mickey_rose unfortunately I have been too busy with tax extensions to get to the book but I’ve picked up the gist from his speaking presentations on the matter. Hopefully I’ll catch up on my reading in November and December
I enjoyed Bahnsen's book, good Kuyperian stuff. However, my concern with his book is that in order to make his point (that we are made to work) he fuses vocational work with the good works that God created us for (cf. Ephesians 2:1-10). I don't have quotes on hand, so take this with a grain of salt, but in Bahnsen's attempt to (rightfully) push against pietists who aggressively separate vocation from the Kingdom of God, Bahnsen seems to make vocation the focal point of reality rather than God's redemptive work that takes place through the building up of his church. With that is my concern that he seems to place our identity in vocation (what we do) rather than Christ (what he's done for us).
In other words, I think Bahnsen unintentionally falls into the Protestant/Reformed vocational ditch the Pugcast crew address, though there is still good in it.
To clarify - wasn’t the Protestant work ethic an observation made by outsiders that certain sects of Protestants seemed very diligent and productive compared with others but it was later revealed to be a kind of virtue signalling because they were operating under the belief that God rewards with prosperity and wealth those who are right with him. Therefore an outward sign of piety became outward success. Therefore the drive to look successful and therefore to look to be right with God led to the motivation to be driven - it was often fieled by the desire to appear virtuous. An early form of virtue signalljng - much like those caught up in the cult of environmentalism trip over themselves to use word salads in their linked in profiles saying they are decarvonozing their businesses while trying to maximize shareholder , oops I mean stakeholder value? What gobbledegook - in other words they are trying to reduce waste and maximize income. What silly nonsense from the carbon life forms. But we say and attempt to do what makes us appear virtuous depending on the whims of what the world of our day claims is virtue.
Martha was doing a bit of virtue signallling that Jesus had to correct by pointing that Mary had chosen the better use of time and focus