the holly test is such a great way of showing just how good a move is, because even someone who has little experience with the game immediately went "oh that's just pk fire, it's easy". the reaction was so genuine too lol
There's something so nice about just a short and concise video essay without all the fluff and over produced motion graphics and time waste. You wanted to make a video about PK Fire, said what you wanted to say, and it was good.
One of my best friends and dear grind partner mains Ness. Mr Poppt, thank you for rephrasing all my exact thoughts when fighting this baloon-head, hydrocephalic, annoying as hell kid with a nail on chalkboard voice that can summon the Avatar elements out of thin air and set the entire Amazon forest on fire by jumping into a platform and pressing Side B once without getting any punish conceivable. I appreciate this video wholeheartedly, next time I get hit by his PK Fire a singular time, I'll have time to watch it again in its entirety, before I get out of the attack (or straight up die, we'll never know)!
Not even close lol. Not even the most annoying nair. So it's big and combos into itself a bit but you should get out of it if you have thumbs and it's quite punishable and hard to approach with. Here's some more annoying ones - rob, min min, pika, link, yl, pit (doesn't combo into itself as much but it is a strictly better nair that plays neutral for you unlike palu's), gnw
I miss Awestin so much. Definitely one of my favorite Smash players of all time. Watching him get back to back footstool combos against Fatality was of the craziest things I've ever seen. In terms of best sets, it ranked up there with him beating BestNess and Gackt vs Anti at Big House 7 just for a few examples. Him and Fow were a blast to watch back then. I feel like Lima's Bayonetta ruined the game for him.
I think ram ram is far more annoying. Edgeguards, combos and kill confirms and can be angled. I spam this move in tournaments and get far everytime i play because of this broken move! Pk fire has nothing on ram ram imo
Something that I wish Poppt1 mentioned was that the hits of pk Fire don’t actually true combo into themselves, so characters with applicable frame 1 or 2 escape options (ZSS, Yoshi, Bayo, Mythra, Olimar, Luigi, Shulk, Little Mac, Mii Brawler w/ feint jump, the frame 2 air dodgers) just “NOPE” their way out. Further, since it’s a projectile, Fox and Falco with their fast reflects just beat out PK Fire if they ever get hit by it. Reflectors and absorbs in general are pretty good against this move. As a Yoshi main, I’ve always thought the move was overhyped, but as it turns out, I’m just in the quarter or so of characters that just don’t care
Its definitely top 5 most annoying but steve minecart is the worst. Especially online because its nearly unreactable and its as strong as a smash attack with 0 risk
Pk fire is another relic move. It was fine in melee cuz ness wasn't a very fighter. He was a quirky little fighter with some cool moves but not much else. They kept buffing him though. More and more, turning his qurky tools into combos and edge guards, he became less of a skill based swiss army knife and more of a slow swordie with hella combos and projectiles Pk fure was always a crutch but once apon a time, that was fine
kinda surprised you talked about the move in such great lengths without mentioning counterplay of any kind. First off, the move almot never does 25% if you simply di (not sdi, stop doing that) up and away, and if you are at max to mid range depending on your character you'll be out of the move far earlier and the ness won't be able to combo you. Add on top of that character specific options like youshi's jump, gnw's or marcina's up b or to a lesser extend luigi's cyyclone to get out on top of notmal mixups and it will be very hard for the ness to punish you The move is also very low to the ground, meaning a shorthop or even moves that make you slightly jump or make your legs intangible (tatsumaki for example) will let you go right over it for an easy punish. For the platform cancelled pk fire, keep two things in mind: it covers an extremely specific area diagonally down from the platform's edges, so you'll never have to worry about it under a platfom or away from one. this means that if ness lands on a platform, running under it will both keep you safe from the attack and let you punish him from below, reduced lag doesn't mean no lag and being on a platform is still disadvantage
I love Ness, and have played him since the N64 where you had to unlock him, honestly it’s why I subscribed to the channel, because you had a lot of Ness videos back then. Still enjoy the content tho.
I'd argue PK Freeze is FAR more annoying. Me: off stage for 0.0001 seconds Every lucas: PK FREEZE!" Me: Dead at 30% because I dont want to mash that hard on my expensive controller.
Not only is all of this video spitting, but Ness’ PK fire is what we call positionally unreactable. If you try to play against Ness like normal, sometimes you just do get frame trapped into situations where PK fire exists and you take 80 from a position you shouldn’t take 5 from.
new players dont know how to SDI so they take like 60% when the ness just pk fires them 3 times in a row, and most comp players dont want to have to start smashing their joystick out of the pk fire everytime it hits
You can sdi out of it pretty easily, if you don’t know how to deal with it you can take a lot of percent but with good sdi you can get out taking minimal percent
🤓PK fire is definitely the most annoying move… when playing at a lower level. I would say that at a higher level there are alot of more annoying moves. Steve’s minecart, block, jab, up tilt I consider all of these being more annoying than Ness’, to name a few
PK Fire is weird, because in something like competitive high level play you'll barely be landing any of them and its not nearly as good, but in your average online tournament or even elite smash its super powerful as the opponent will almost certainly get hit by it
@@fruitloops7064 From what I've seen in majors and supermajors that Ness players like Scend have been in, its not really that...Good? Its pretty easy to play around tbh
@@RuneTacticss in the video you see scend press that button like 50 times. Maybe in some mus like mythra it’s not nearly as good but it’s more than just using the move that makes it insane, you’re kinda forced to never scramble vs him and you have to never be diagonal from ness when pressuring him which is a big position to be in, especially for a lot of pro players.
@ well it puts you into that pressure because the reward is insane. It’s still not that hard to hit in top level, it’s probably more matchup specific as some characters can just avoid it entirely but it’s not a move that stops being used once you aren’t fighting wifi shitters. Pk fire on plat is still pretty overtuned and demands a lot of respect and pk fire for corner pressure is pretty obnoxious as it incentivizes you to either hold shield or jump or roll in which are all options ness LOVES
Great video but you should also give the nuances of the moves and what you can ACTUALLY do as counterplay for exemple DI/SDI, cuz you're never taking 25% of one pk fire in an actual set except if you unplug the controller ahah Also dash shield at low/mid % is still a very good answer for example too, things like that. But really, great work !
If i were Sakurai i would nerf this move to its fullest, it will have the most annoyingly long cool down that even makes little mac recovery faster and better
This reminds me, in super smash bros brawl, with ness i got the sandbag to like 220% somehow... i uh... did a non charged bat attack to finish by mistake ._.
My smash friend mains news, literally just pick Zelda anytime to neuter ness. Nayrus love and farores wind punish pk fire. Zelda has been a main since melee though while everyone was playing shiek
objectively robin arc fire is stronger than pk fire. It does the same thing, can also combo into itself, and still does the fire part even if it doesn’t hit anything or hits shield. Only reason it isn’t crazy busted is because of the book limiting spam ability
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the holly test is such a great way of showing just how good a move is, because even someone who has little experience with the game immediately went "oh that's just pk fire, it's easy".
the reaction was so genuine too lol
Mario specifically have a very mid f tilt tho, you could replace PK fire with a Wolf f-tilt and it'd work instantly too.
There's something so nice about just a short and concise video essay without all the fluff and over produced motion graphics and time waste.
You wanted to make a video about PK Fire, said what you wanted to say, and it was good.
One of my best friends and dear grind partner mains Ness.
Mr Poppt, thank you for rephrasing all my exact thoughts when fighting this baloon-head, hydrocephalic, annoying as hell kid with a nail on chalkboard voice that can summon the Avatar elements out of thin air and set the entire Amazon forest on fire by jumping into a platform and pressing Side B once without getting any punish conceivable.
I appreciate this video wholeheartedly, next time I get hit by his PK Fire a singular time, I'll have time to watch it again in its entirety, before I get out of the attack (or straight up die, we'll never know)!
All of this from a move Ness learned from his friend Paula (according to Smash)
Funny thing is that half of his moves, he doesn't use in his own game, they belong to his friends 😭
Pk Fire: I’m the most annoying move
Pyra’s Side B: No I am
Steve’s Minecraft: Yo did y’all say something?
Lmao
Imagine Ness had Lucas's neutral B as well 😳
4:38 Snowman my beloved
There's no greater feeling than getting Hero's bounce against an annoying Ness spamming PK fire and seeing his ass get burnt by his own move
As a ness main, that ness pk fired the "i can confirm" text
Hmm... this is a weird way of saying Palutena Nair is The Most Annoying Move in Smash Bros
Well this is the most annoying special move. Palutena has the most annoying air move
@@BADBIRDY_BB Does EWGF go in a separate category then for special input moves?
Game and watch nair has surpassed palu nair in every way
@@Karizmatyc Volume makes Palu nair way worse
Not even close lol. Not even the most annoying nair. So it's big and combos into itself a bit but you should get out of it if you have thumbs and it's quite punishable and hard to approach with. Here's some more annoying ones - rob, min min, pika, link, yl, pit (doesn't combo into itself as much but it is a strictly better nair that plays neutral for you unlike palu's), gnw
When I started playing smash my friend was Nes main let’s just say the villain arc had started
Pk fire in smash is way more broken than it is in actual earthbound. Also, Ness doesn't even use pk fire in earthbound!
This is why I play Lucas, I don't want to be hated 1% more
Same here, brother 🤝
I'm a ness main but I just picked up Lucas, I have to admit he's pretty fun and I get kicked less in arenas lol.
@@Sean-ce4zu Hell yeah, love a crisp back air
Finally I found a fellow Lucas main
@someone56185 Hooray
Pain and suffering is all i feel at an online ness
Be Zelda, when hit with pkfire, mash neutral b. Gets you out of it every time, and if Ness tries to rush in, he gets hit with his own fire.
It’s an annoying move until you remember where the shield button is. But we can all agree that the REAL most annoying move is G&W Up B.
Ask my friends and it's DK bair
3:07 That actually makes a lot of sense and is really good design
I miss Awestin so much. Definitely one of my favorite Smash players of all time. Watching him get back to back footstool combos against Fatality was of the craziest things I've ever seen. In terms of best sets, it ranked up there with him beating BestNess and Gackt vs Anti at Big House 7 just for a few examples. Him and Fow were a blast to watch back then. I feel like Lima's Bayonetta ruined the game for him.
I blame covid more than Lima for ruining smash bros in general tbh
The most annoying move is moving your cursor and selecting Min-Min
I think ram ram is far more annoying. Edgeguards, combos and kill confirms and can be angled. I spam this move in tournaments and get far everytime i play because of this broken move! Pk fire has nothing on ram ram imo
True
0:05 actually that's a thunderbolt 🤓
2:23 Come again?
"And Ness doesn't SHOVE his finger inside you" 💀
Holly: 'oh are we gonna have some fun?"
Poppt1" :Lol heavens no."
Making this vid during No Ness November is kinda crazy
Something that I wish Poppt1 mentioned was that the hits of pk Fire don’t actually true combo into themselves, so characters with applicable frame 1 or 2 escape options (ZSS, Yoshi, Bayo, Mythra, Olimar, Luigi, Shulk, Little Mac, Mii Brawler w/ feint jump, the frame 2 air dodgers) just “NOPE” their way out. Further, since it’s a projectile, Fox and Falco with their fast reflects just beat out PK Fire if they ever get hit by it. Reflectors and absorbs in general are pretty good against this move. As a Yoshi main, I’ve always thought the move was overhyped, but as it turns out, I’m just in the quarter or so of characters that just don’t care
Imagine playing Ness in no Ness November. Couldn't be me
The fact that ness has had this move for so many years and it's still like this is insane. No matter what game, PK Fire will always be hated.
Its definitely top 5 most annoying but steve minecart is the worst. Especially online because its nearly unreactable and its as strong as a smash attack with 0 risk
I swear a good enough ness can turn the stage into california
I absolutely love these types of videos. Great idea to follow the pyoro format because i could binge them all day long :)
Im gonna PK-ill myself if I get combo‘d one more time by a ness pk fire
hey watch this triple DJC pk fire
Ah yes.. pk fire and then back throw. The ultimate crutch for a free kill. Got to love it.
I like how every Smash RUclipsr is on their video essay arc
1:31 how did Pichu let that Poppt Rocket happen
Counterpoint: It's funny.
False beacause that's false, counterpoint defeated.
Funny for one person
Remember. PK Fire is manageable, if you space yourself and avoid approaching ness directly.
Even Holly knew PK Fire's brokeness during the test phase
Fox Mains: Nah, I'd Reflect.
You said warlock punch in the stream… so I BETTER SEE IT.
Would love a video about how all of Ness's moves are above average except F-tilt which is just average.
Really cool vid, my only suggestion would be to expand the ending so the video doesn't end so abruptly
The fact that i just escape it very easily by just DI'ing out and spamming jump
Pk fire is another relic move. It was fine in melee cuz ness wasn't a very fighter. He was a quirky little fighter with some cool moves but not much else.
They kept buffing him though. More and more, turning his qurky tools into combos and edge guards, he became less of a skill based swiss army knife and more of a slow swordie with hella combos and projectiles
Pk fure was always a crutch but once apon a time, that was fine
kinda surprised you talked about the move in such great lengths without mentioning counterplay of any kind.
First off, the move almot never does 25% if you simply di (not sdi, stop doing that) up and away, and if you are at max to mid range depending on your character you'll be out of the move far earlier and the ness won't be able to combo you. Add on top of that character specific options like youshi's jump, gnw's or marcina's up b or to a lesser extend luigi's cyyclone to get out on top of notmal mixups and it will be very hard for the ness to punish you
The move is also very low to the ground, meaning a shorthop or even moves that make you slightly jump or make your legs intangible (tatsumaki for example) will let you go right over it for an easy punish.
For the platform cancelled pk fire, keep two things in mind: it covers an extremely specific area diagonally down from the platform's edges, so you'll never have to worry about it under a platfom or away from one. this means that if ness lands on a platform, running under it will both keep you safe from the attack and let you punish him from below, reduced lag doesn't mean no lag and being on a platform is still disadvantage
The most annoying part isn’t even the move itself, it’s the voice line
The editing in this is so slick, loved every minute!
I've been maining Ness since Ultimate came out and still there was so much useful information in this video :)
Pk fire is just clay pigeon with no empathy.
I love Ness, and have played him since the N64 where you had to unlock him, honestly it’s why I subscribed to the channel, because you had a lot of Ness videos back then. Still enjoy the content tho.
*Steve's Block enters the chat.*
I'd argue PK Freeze is FAR more annoying.
Me: off stage for 0.0001 seconds
Every lucas: PK FREEZE!"
Me: Dead at 30% because I dont want to mash that hard on my expensive controller.
Not only is all of this video spitting, but Ness’ PK fire is what we call positionally unreactable. If you try to play against Ness like normal, sometimes you just do get frame trapped into situations where PK fire exists and you take 80 from a position you shouldn’t take 5 from.
Poppt1 def hopping on the FireThePyro/ChiefCharYT/Brawlternative video format train
This is why one of my 23 SSBU Best Characters/ Mains, is Lucas. At Least Lucas' PK Fire isn't a trapping move.
Funny enough, just a few hours ago I rage quit against a Ness player constantly spamming pk fire...
You call it PK Fire, I call it free Witch Time
Lowkey I kinda want competitive Jorden back, Maybe it’s just me but I’d love to see Poppt1 be top 5 in Perth.
new players dont know how to SDI so they take like 60% when the ness just pk fires them 3 times in a row, and most comp players dont want to have to start smashing their joystick out of the pk fire everytime it hits
if Ness was a heavyweight he would be the best character in the game
Counterpoint: Steve Up-tilt
Finally! A Ness main being honest for once!
You can sdi out of it pretty easily, if you don’t know how to deal with it you can take a lot of percent but with good sdi you can get out taking minimal percent
🤓PK fire is definitely the most annoying move… when playing at a lower level. I would say that at a higher level there are alot of more annoying moves.
Steve’s minecart, block, jab, up tilt I consider all of these being more annoying than Ness’, to name a few
PK Fire is weird, because in something like competitive high level play you'll barely be landing any of them and its not nearly as good, but in your average online tournament or even elite smash its super powerful as the opponent will almost certainly get hit by it
I mean it’s still one of the best projectiles in the game at top level play lol. The video kinda explains it but it’s fantastic at all levels of play.
@@fruitloops7064 From what I've seen in majors and supermajors that Ness players like Scend have been in, its not really that...Good? Its pretty easy to play around tbh
@@RuneTacticss in the video you see scend press that button like 50 times.
Maybe in some mus like mythra it’s not nearly as good but it’s more than just using the move that makes it insane, you’re kinda forced to never scramble vs him and you have to never be diagonal from ness when pressuring him which is a big position to be in, especially for a lot of pro players.
@@fruitloops7064 Yeah its not really the move itself that is insane, more so the pressure the move puts on with forcing you into shield often
@ well it puts you into that pressure because the reward is insane.
It’s still not that hard to hit in top level, it’s probably more matchup specific as some characters can just avoid it entirely but it’s not a move that stops being used once you aren’t fighting wifi shitters. Pk fire on plat is still pretty overtuned and demands a lot of respect and pk fire for corner pressure is pretty obnoxious as it incentivizes you to either hold shield or jump or roll in which are all options ness LOVES
Ya know what the ending segment reminded me of?…
Use thunder!
7:15 ascro is better then spargo lowkey lowkey...
fantastic editing on this video
Wont admit? Sir, I've never faced a high skill level ness, but I'm not gonna lie, it looks funny and i love the side b because the lock is so goofy
I'd love if the reward actually was the first part.
My favorite thing to do that s get them too 100% damage use pk thunder and keep hitting them in the air its so fun
Great video but you should also give the nuances of the moves and what you can ACTUALLY do as counterplay
for exemple DI/SDI, cuz you're never taking 25% of one pk fire in an actual set except if you unplug the controller ahah
Also dash shield at low/mid % is still a very good answer for example too, things like that. But really, great work !
in a world with no (S)DI pk fire does outdamage shotput, yes :)
If i were Sakurai i would nerf this move to its fullest, it will have the most annoyingly long cool down that even makes little mac recovery faster and better
It's about damn time Jordan.
I also think Down Smash at ledge is just as annoying.
Killing with Lucas PK Fire is much more satisfying
Pk freeze more funny tbh
Every move is the most annoying move in Smash
I learned from this video that Poppt1 is carried and always was.
FTP the goat student - fisher college rise up
Talk about krool I fucking hate the bullshit they put in that crock
Incins side b: am i a joke to you?
Joker gun next everyone says its broken and I just dont see it
Bro fuse lukus and NESS for the ultimate smash bros character
As a ness main I can admit I was smiling the whole video
GET OUT!!!
You are an evil being
This reminds me, in super smash bros brawl, with ness i got the sandbag to like 220% somehow... i uh... did a non charged bat attack to finish by mistake ._.
My smash friend mains news, literally just pick Zelda anytime to neuter ness. Nayrus love and farores wind punish pk fire. Zelda has been a main since melee though while everyone was playing shiek
"Just SDI bro".
So what you’re saying is if I want to be better I can just switch to ness?
2:22 💀
I dont hate ness. I like pocketing his recovery.
I think ness overall just does too much damage
u got the gromit smile
What is the music he uses at 1:23
Imagine losing to only pk fire
objectively robin arc fire is stronger than pk fire. It does the same thing, can also combo into itself, and still does the fire part even if it doesn’t hit anything or hits shield.
Only reason it isn’t crazy busted is because of the book limiting spam ability
Also you can DI out of pk fire
At least a bit easier than robins
Hope this one blows up Mr.poppt
It’s okay, if it was on Lucas he could pk fire upsmash or djcz and you just lose
Awesome Smash video!
2:22 Ayo???
goated video poppt1
Takes no skill to use. Ness mains should be really ashamed of themselves