HOW TO ANNOY PHOTOGRAPHERS | PART 1
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- In Part 1 of this episode, I vent about things you shouldn’t say to a photographer, whether you’re hiring a photographer or you have a photographer friend, avoid saying these things to them.
If you want to hear more or want to share your horror stories or your biggest pet peeves as a photographer or a client working with a photographer, please share them in the comment section.
THE OFFICIAL RANT STARTS AT 3:51
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Earlier in my career I was a wedding and event photographer that gradually phased out because of the drama. One of my last gigs was cancelled by the bride because her uncle just got a digital camera and was going to shoot the wedding. NP, good luck. Few weeks later I get the bride call asking me if I could fix his pictures because they were terrible. Not sure about anyone else, but I don't "fix" other peoples work.
Hand on head Doug, funny story :(. When I did wedding photography in the past I remember meeting couples and then eventually having them tell me they are going to use their cousin or friend but they were obviously hesitant and being polite because they didn’t want to offend anyone. then later on them telling they were disappointed in the images, of course you were.
Even though it is a hobby for me, I know exactly what you are saying... like 'can you make me look skinny?' or 'I see you have brought your camera, great'. Looking forward to part 2
Oh yes, the classic "can you make me look skinny" and almost mad if you can't :(. Hopefully soon for part 2.
My fav "Oooh thats a big professional camera...(wait for it)..........i bet it takes nice pictures"!!!! ARGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
I’m addressing that on my vlog tonight :)
So true. My favourite at a wedding is all the freaks with cell phones while bride and groom walks inside the church.
Early on in my photographic journey I fell for the, "could you bring your camera to our daughter's wedding?" ploy. Two things happened. One, I decided to never, ever fall for that ploy again. And two, I gained a tremendous amount of respect for wedding photographers.
Lesson learned Rob, I got pretty jaded that I would start to consider bringing my camera to stuff if I thought I could be roped into shooting something for free.
Dude you are doing a good job here . I watched the RUclips video of guy you were revering to and couldn’t agree more . Keep doing what you are doing its’ refreshing seeing someone who is actually honest and tells it as it is.
Thank you for saying that, it’s been very nice to hear positive feedback. Some negative attacks but mostly positive vibes from like minded photographers .
Brilliant Justin, how about "your shot is great you must have a good camera"?
Heard that one today.
I saved that one for part 2 :)
I get this one all the time. But to be fair, we kind of do this too to some degree when we compare gear or brands.
@@ilovethismightyfineplace Fair po int Scott :).
My fave is………..’that’s a great photo, you must have a good/expensive camera!’……..😝😝💩😎
I was saving that one for part 2 Peter :)
@@AskMOTT ….Sorry…..I just get it all the time!…..📸🌈🤣😘🇬🇧
Yes, when I have had a good meal at a friend's house, I never say, "that was great, you must have a good oven and hob!"
Lol that was the best. I love your walls and your plant, My eyes keep getting drawn to the picture behind you. Keep up the unique work I enjoy it all. Jim
Thanks Jim happy holidays.
I really liked the video, I will be happy for part two, people come to a professional photographer and ask him you make magnets🤬
First income Boss comes over before the teambuilding event. -You take nice pictures! Could you take some pictures on the event? -Nah, gear is new and not insured. -You can use my point and shoot... Some ppl never learn to stop chasing the blue bird of freebies.
Sometimes you get the opposite of the 'why don't you try...' comment, when a client says 'I dunno, you're the photographer!' This can be frustrating when I'm asking about basic things, like 'do you need full body shots, or waist-up?' Whatever good creative direction I'm able to bring, I still need the client's input on what they want.
I like your rap brother. I was a wedding photographer for 6 years. 1982-1988 Used silver, 36 shots you had to be right. Never again. Went to Canada in 1990 and photographed a Moose, Bear, Wolverine. Now Im a wildlife and landscape photographer for the last 30yrs. At 70 years old, animals are a lot more fun.
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. 30 years in the industry, you're a legend, i bet you've seen some incredible animals. I'll have to give a landscape challenge one of these day for my weekend assignment challenge.
This one is a classic at weddings: Some random uncle telling me that he is also into photography wanting to show me his random holiday pictures on his phone.
Omg Jannis it happened me to all the time at weddings while I’m trying to work or even while I’m trying to shovel my 5 minute dinner into my face :)
@@AskMOTT Exactly :D
Brilliant Justin! This video will only truly be appreciated by other pro photographers. Part 2 Please!!!
Yo in part 2 add the CD on set says “can I just borrow our camera? It’s easier to just shoot and show you”. LOL
I think if that ever happened to me I'd just say now, I'm pretty weird about other people holding my camera.
My girlfriend is 23, but works professionally as a photographer. She had a big shooting and set up like 6 flashes or so. It was quite impressive to me. But because she is young, many old men want to give her tips and think they can do better. When she was working with a model, a guy told her, how she should move, which angles she should use and gave bullshit posing tips for the model. It was really annoying to her.
Ok man that sucks , unsolicited advice is never welcomed.
Please apologize to her for all males out there Camsplanning (wait that’s a pretty good phrase I just coined, you heard it here first ).
There's a technique I use in this situation you might like to pass on. I give them something to hold, like a huge reflector, preferably heavy. It doesn't have to be doing anything but it at least hides them behind it. I was once working with a writer who was cutting into my time for the photo so I produced a reflector and got him to hold it. On that occasion the questions continued to come from behind the reflector, but I swear that's the only time it hasn't worked.
I did free work for a work mate at a church event for 7-8 hours.
I went there with my studio lighting gear.
I shot over 650 pics.
After the shoot the guy started to rush me for the pics.
He suggested I give him the raw pics so I told him I would have to charge for them so he told me I was not professional.
I also told him that I was prioritizing paid work while editing his work he was not happy about this.
And then towards the end of me editing his shoot he said I should not put a watermark and not put the pics on social media.
He finally said I said I should not use pixiset to deliver the pictures as it was not professional but suggested I use Google drive.
I stopped the work and did not deliver the pictures and he stopped talking to me.
Sad story, but you did nothing wrong. Unfortunately for all of us, too many photographers give away their work for free and don't value their own time, making it hard for other people to value us.
@@AskMOTT I will stop free work now and reject cheap work as I improve my editing skills.
Cheap clients can just be as bad
@@shadyninja1 That's smart, hard in the the beginning, but better long term. I look for red flags in initial email exchanges and if I think we can explain value then we do so.
@@AskMOTT I've got my last cheap one this afternoon, wish me good luck 🤞
You are so right Justin !!
Thanks Larry, this was like a therapy session for me :).
I discovered your RUclips channel about a month ago. I follow a lot of photographers on RUclips but you are definitely one of my favourites with your honest and insightful talks
Video starts at 5:15
"Are people faking concrete?" :)
I felt that was my best line Stephen :)
@@AskMOTT ruclips.net/video/svlGYj0U5dE/видео.html
Hey Justin, Jose from Puerto Rico. Great stuff man! That's why when a "friend" invites me to a wedding or any other activity my camera stays home. When they ask if I brought my camera, I tell them: No, just my cell phone. Having said that, I'm not even a pro.
Let me ask you something Justin, do you have friends who make their living with a trade of some sorts? Let's say electrician, plumber etc? Invite them to your next BBQ and tell them while they're there, if they can check a leak or maybe inspect your electrical layout but tell them you can't pay them, but they'll gain invaluable experience and that you will recommend them. Deep down inside they're hoping someone can do a Jimmy Hoffa on you, but they won't say it to you. :-)
Well said Jose, yeah I need a doctor and a lawyer friend :).
I feel you should do a Part 2. we would love to know more!
Coming soon :)
Love it.
The "Can you bring your camera" crap: While its been a few years since I've been asked that, it used to happen quite often. The answer was always the same, starting with questions about the event and then a price quote. It always ended with the price quote.
Funnily enough they always came from the same kind of people. Those who are friends when they need something but have never sent a single dollar's worth of business at any point before that.
Addressing the shadowing issue: The most annoying and hilarious request for shadowing came from a drunk restauranteur exhaling his smoke/alcohol dragon breath in my face telling me why I should allow his kid to "shadow" me which in this case translated into giving him a free education. He wasn't so drunk that when I told him that I'd consider it he knew I was completely blowing it off.
Even offhand comments can be annoying, such as what I generally hear when I'm just out and about, shooting recreationally and somebody will eventually comment on the size of my lens (Minimally a 70-200, sometimes an 80-400) talking about just how huge it is, so I reaped "Well, if I'm going to play Mine's Bigger I need to back it up with something, right?".
Love your story Fred, dragon breath is hilarious. It reminds of the episode of VEEP on HBO where Jonah is talking to a pro photographer and says “not a 1D hmmm, just a 5D” it was so good.
“Camera crap” you mean that camera crap that cost more than your car?
A long standing feud started between my sister and myself when she asked me to video her daughter's wedding. I was flying in from California for the wedding. I had once, many years ago, been a wedding photographer and at the time of the wedding I was working in TV as a studio camera operator. I refused and was treated like a pariah throughout the entire wedding. So yes, I know this one quite well.
WOW!!!! On point! Well stated.
Thank you so much
Love your last 3 videos. Thanks 🙏🏾
I appreciate that JK, more coming soon :)
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing it. Part 2!!!!!!👍📸
Part 2 soon, thanks David :).
Part 2 please!
I like your channel - thanks for your effort in producing interesting stuff. eg you are one of the few on youtube who actually understand the whole Leica 'thing' without coming across as some kind of demented fanboy of bling and can demonstrate a body of work that doesn't make one's eye bleed just looking - which is always a refreshing positive. atb Pete
I appreciate that Pete, thanks you for watching :).
This is so true Justin ! Herd it all great vid as always! Totally feel that and all have experienced before May I ask again What size is your laptop by the way you always carry them separately or does it fits in your wotangcraft ? ( sorry a bit off-topic )
Thanks Pratch, I have a 13 inch MacBook Pro and I use various bags depending on the circumstances. Most of my Wotancrafts can hold it.
@@AskMOTT Thanks for the reply great vdo !!!
I love all your video, ignore every negative comment because all of them isn’t importance
Thank you so much :), I try my best to ignore any negativity and luckily for me more people are nice and positive like you, thanks again.
When I was shooting a random person (the person was the wife of a couple) I wanted to practice few things and her husband asked me to shoot in this way and that way, He asked me some things so I missed some opportunities ... I'm not a pro. In the end I got some shots that I was happy with.
99% of graphic designers are actually a danger to photography and yet clients seem to take their word on even technical aspects of photography as gospel.
I really don’t get it, I mean I respect their design work but often on commercial shoots we are answering to them or images are being approved by them, doesn’t make any sense. Its probably because they know our terminology a little bit so everyone in the office defers to them.
Skip the first 5:15. Good points but could have been explained in under three minutes.
I’ll compromise and say I can do it in under 4 next time , challenge accepted.
All you photographers out there, what annoys you the most?
When the client makes suggestions, even regarding lighting, angles and poses and then deplores the results and refuses to pay.
When there is a whimsical last minute decision to change the setup or take a break and you remind the director that we have 10 minutes of good light and you kiss the moment goodbye
All that you said in the video is spot on. It is also very annoying when you are at a shoot they ask you to take pics with "their" mobile phones...
Fully agree with your video.
Thank you Stuart.
A nice report but I really don't like the 5:25 minutes of pretalk :(
I’m big on the pre talk but I’ve been cutting it down and getting more streamlined in more recent videos. Thanks for the feedback.
Spot on dude. spot.on.
Therapy for me Erik :)
@@AskMOTT Let it out man. Vent away. You've got tons of photographers listening and watching this nodding in agreement.
That’s good. Be yourself. When you hit fifty and realize that people really don’t care that much about what you thought was important you’ll be glad you didn’t “bend the knee” and do what “people” wanted. What people want in general is usually the average of the best and the worst, meaning it’s a bland and harmless piece of drivel that neither offends nor excites passion. F&ck that! Regrets in life usually take the form of things not done. We rarely regret things we did, even if they turn out badly but we do torment ourselves with the things we didn’t do. Ask me how I know.
I love this channel. I don't give a shit about gear or gear reviews, I want to hear from another working photographer who is in the trenches. I think in terms of long term, documentarian photo essays, creativity and challenges of producing great work. Thank you, Justin. BTW, nope to free work. Irritating AF.
Thanks so much , I appreciate that. I really like talking about this sort of stuff , don’t worry , you won’t see me on my hover board any time soon.
Most of this applies to the dreaded course path of doing weddings. And as we all have certain constants in the field such as field staff, venue operations, levels of access.... We don't have Aunt Martha and Cousin Sal (who BOTH own cameras that can change lenses) following us during a one time event. This isn't ever touching the 'preconceived expectations vs. REALITY' once the post work is done.
But in my 20's & 30's I could catch bad guys in the dark whilst hopping over backyard fences
There is an easier path Grasshopper.
Jump to 5:15 for the content You came for.
speaking from my heart ), thx for your work
Thank you Arne :)
This video makes me angry just looking at it. Good job highlighting these points!
You should say these things outloud Mitchel , it’s therapeutic:)
Using microphone with reflective surface is not good idea
Not ideal but I spent all my money on my Leica’s:)
An annoyance for me, that adds into this, is getting DMs from people wanting to be my assistant and when they that I see the message but don't respond, in 30 minutes, get passive aggressive snarky at me.
That happened to me a couple months ago Ted. Someone wrote to me on Instagram about interning , a very quick template message, then the next day, says “I guess not”. I was like damn, definitely not now.
@@AskMOTT this guy was like saying I am terrible for the photography community in philadelphia cause I wouldn't "connect" with him and let him assist me. I'm like, sure. But I need to finish the paid work that I was hired to do.
But for real, these people will be drama queens on set.
@@TedNghiem I get a stream of these although I've never had a negative follow up. What I would advise to people trying this route is not to use a template approach. Convince the photographer you've actually seen their work and have an opinion about specifics. Maybe ask a question or two about the work to encourage a dialogue. Don't just tell the photographer you're skilled in Photoshop and Lightroom.
Broke my cherry watching this video rant of yours. FAN tastic.
Are you riding a harley?
I’m not that fancy yet, I’ve got a Royal Enfield:)
wow, The first third of this video is self promotion. I understand the importance of it. But a third? No thanks.
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