🇨🇳 How China is changing Africa | The Stream
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- On The Stream: How China is fueling economic growth in African nations
Thumbnail: Senegalese and Chinese construction workers cheer during a ceremony at the construction site of Senegal's national theater on Feb. 14, 2009. The building project was financed by China. (AP/REBECCA BLACKWELL)
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I was born in Africa and have been living abroad for many years. I am a businesswoman in Brazil. Chinese work hard, really hard. We should learn from them. I`m very happy to hear that they`ve been helping our people in some places in Africa. Very happy to hear that.
I think Africans work hard,very hard but the work is hampered by Europeans strongholds, China has developed a system to break the Europe's strong hold wich Africans have not
@@Elbeth184 - China Wil change your Africa into Better Africa
New Africa with new road's Bridges railways new technology other stuff
Chinese Russian's are way better than west
From India
We wil come to in after we become 8 to 10 trillion dollars economic
Soon we are coming in
Out of all of the Asians, you want to emulate the Chinese?
@@marcusdanizel9816 What is a Chinese Russian?
@@marcusdanizel9816 china India Africa Russia together. Feel the power!
I'm from the USA...China has the BEST future moving forward!
Amen
我来自中国…美国还有很大的发展空间，未来不可估量
Before the West apologists try to make us forget, think of the days before the year 2000 when Africa was totally dependent on the West. Those days Africans had no hope. Does anybody remember The Economist arrogantly declaring Africa as a hopeless continent in the year 2000?
Then God sent China. China pays for the raw materials it obtains from Africa through building infrastructure that Africans desperately need. Roads & bridges, railway lines and seaports are needed in Africa and China is helping build them. The West is trying hard to make China into a villain and some braindead Africans are falling for the propaganda.
+Kobo totally true, just recall how africa was before 2000AD, with those "wonderful european".
+Kobo China is helping Africa solely so they have easy access to the farmland they have purchased to help feed that huge population. But, as someone else has already stated: business is business.
+Kobo theres no "propaganda" stop using that word, you just have to look at facts, the chinese definately do want something in return, but they do not discriminate, they want your raw materials for a beneficial good deal. Though the investment that China does is better than foreign aid which western countries are known for. Plus the Chinese are awesome at building infrastructure. There is no conspiracy against Africa from the west, colonialism ended a long time ago
+Kobo Greetings form CHINA.I agree with you. I believe that all the country keep peace in mind. And we try to develop our Earth in a mutural benifit way instead of unfair treaties or slave other people.
+Kobo I saw many pics of Africans. Those pics just like 30 years ago in CHINA. We were as poor as the Africa nowadays. The black Africa will became a modern continent soon with the effort of Chinese and African.
I have donate a medical equipment to help Africa deal with ebola virus. My medical equipment help the nurses to find blood vessel of black people more clearly. While the European leave Africa, we have sent medical asistant team to Africa.
When I talk to the team memebers, some of them also show afraid of virus and miss their family. But all them sitll went to the infected areas and finished their mission at last.
China was poor like Africa but they managed to invest in their country and Africa should learn from China. Africa needs energy, roads and Ports. Africans should plan their economy. A loan from IMF (international maffia federation) is a rip off.
***** the west got rich by colonising the rest of the world, enslaving millions of african people, selling opium to china, slaughtering native Americans. African and Chinese really should be feeling grateful for the generosity of the west.
+Onward Legions! Isn't that called industrialization?
Agreed. But lets not forget that Africa is a continent not a country/state, like China. China did not pull all of Asia out of poverty. There are many countries in Africa doing just fine before.
Bothswana is a country that is doing fine. It is called the Singapour of Africa.
+Onward Legions! what it called when US plant agent Orange on Vietnam cause widespread diseases affected generation to generation , gave enough of chemical affected and cancer rate to Iraqis , warred over 70 nation in the short history of 239 years ?
role model for peace and liberty ??
What impressed me most was that the infrastructures built by Chinese in Libra were bombed by westerners & rivals. Many Chinese people's lives were endangered there. And Now Libra is not as prosperous as before.
yes! Libya
***** Yes! Libya
+I'm just sayin' tho ....hope westerners didn't bombed the wrong country...,it's seems that if Chinese government ordered Chinese airforce to bomb Libya,THEY GO AND BOMBED Libra !lol (I know there's no such) ;D
The moves being made by China and Africa could prove to be very very powerful and setting both partners up to be global leaders and a go to place for resources. In other words, Africa could become the next super power.
I am Chinese and what I say might not be objective. But in Chinese culture, we love peace and we don't like robbing and bullying other countries. If you have time to read the history (thousands of years) of China, conquering and empire is not our style (At that time all Asian countries were small and weak). This is our culture.
We were all being bullied by someone for a long time. Let's be friends, protect ourselves and improve the life quality.
Tibet
Technology cannot be stolen. Just like no one steal the technology of using paper.
Der JaSager What did China do towards Tibet? Can you explain? Thanks a lot
Are you being serious with your question or just think your question is funny?
If you really know about Tibet, you should know that was some Westerners pushing whole event happened. They just want to split China.
Chinese people are hard workers trust me africa in future will be a better place, and it will be more and more outsider investor will migrate Ther , remember not only china helping the africa , africa is helping china to.
+Robertjr Cinco bullshit, chinese are there to enslave africans take advantadge of their resources
+N Foster How, i guess your are a white man.You had a chance to help us, but failed woefully
+Robertjr Cinco on point there with your assessment
+Robertjr Cinco you are right, mutual benefit is key for future sustain business relationship.
Really?
All i can say is thank you China.
Do you really believe China is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts ?
probably not, but its a progressive move for Africa. we cant get stuff for free, nothing is ever free anywhere.
For our friendship!
at least china dont rob,, if africans dont like to trade, just say no..
You're welcome. A better Africa is good for the world
To those who complain about China, during white people's colonies did African countries have roads, railways and electricities?
+J Yari Yes actually, yes they did. time to stop pretending that the west ignored Africa and didn't spend trillions upon trillions in improvements. but africa is a continent and not a collective nation. The West still sends Billions to china Annually
+mattattack75 LOL, west sends billions to China annually? All the manufactured goods that China shipped to US and European nations should be free? That's trade, and not sending money to China free. The west has to pay for goods that China shipped.
+J Yari
Of course they did, it's common knowledge
Many western countries considered colonized countries an extension of their own, they invested a lot because they couldn't leave a part of their empire without infrastructure, it was about pride and remember they were settling for a long time. They didn't care about the people, but they did care about the land, it does not make colonization right, but they did invest a lot, and they did build a lot of infrastructure which still benefits the citizens today
+Cainus44 But meanwhile Slavery was invented by the west.
Jingfeng Zhang
No it wasn't. Africans were enslaving each other long before European colonization, and were also the ones selling slaves to Europeans. And your own Shang Dynasty and Qin Dynasties both practiced slavery. That was thousands of years ago. Slavery is as old as man, and arguing over who invented it is like arguing over who invented bread.
European countries had colonized many Afican states for hundred of years but no development and people continues live in poverty and even face starvation.They only divide the people and provide weapons for the people to fight each other and get killed.China is entirely different.They came in with good intention to develop the countries and make it prosperous and make the people lives better with enough food and with all the basic essential things which they had not seen before during the white man rule.Now certain European countries are jealous of China popularity in Africa and trying to sabotages.I think the Afican people are not so stupid to believe these evil stories after all they can see the different with China and European countries had did to them.All African states must united with China to stay strong and ward off evil intention from foreign countries who do not want to see a develop Africa.
+Ricky Wong chinese are primarily in african to make money. africans have been feeding themselves for hundred thousand of years on this continent without the help of anyone, we still do feed ourselves regardless of western meddling and their propaganda media that keep vilifying africa. what africa needs is fair trade rules and reliable development partners. chinese being accused of being new imperialists is irrelevant as long as their behaviours don't follow western patterns! if any attempt to imitate what europeans did here then there will be serious issues for them, they just have to behave and remember that they are guests
+Ndoli Sabi We were bullied by western countries pretty badly too throughout history. Even today, China is surrounded by American aircraft carriers, missiles. It makes more sense for China to make more friends than enemies.
+yue wang it is important even for afracan states to have many friends especially among those countries targeted by western american led imperialism such as china. however china should avoid actions that might give the impression of being just another superpower coming to exploit africa. africans are becoming, for a good reason, more and more sensitive to foreign meddling and exploitation
***** I'm not a hater, so I don't hate. I'm actually enjoying your freedoms here in Chicago. But let me ask you a question. Does your freedoms make people's lives better? What happened to Occupy Wall Street? Yes, you have your freedoms, but how many of your American citizens are actually living an American dream? Yes, you have freedoms, but you also have problems and you are causing problems somewhere else to distract your people to see your your own problems.
+Ricky Wong dont be ingnorent there was massive expense on development in africa during the colonization
I personally think China involvement in Africa is a very good thing, first it would draw Africa closer to unification with the any manipulation of one country against the other, second Africa will definitely benefit from the Africa China relationship, but it also comes down to the type of deals each African countries made, and that's what I think is the the deciding factor of the whole thing.
Europeans took over the whole continent of Africa for 300 years and not a single infrastructure was built for the local people for all these years. No roads, no clean water, no electricity, no factories, only churches and complex rail systems built with African labour at strategic points on the continent to loot our natural resources. In a country like Guinea Conakry for instance, the French removed all telephone poles and wires during their independence just because they refused to sign into their terms. The Chinese, no matter how bad they are, can never be as cruel to Africans as the Europeans. Let's embrace the Chinese because they are the only ones that have shown interest in training Africans to be on their own. Neither the Japanese, Europeans, Indians or Americans have any interest in teaching Africans to be self reliant, only the Chinese do.
Osei Tutu Tawiah this is dead wrong. African destroyed most of those infrastructure thats why there are nothing left
@@Gamyuiii sources?
Chinese are not cruel to you
They are coming with mind we give you something , in return you give us something
China Wil give you new road's, Bridges, railways giving you new train and other new technology China has given ( loans to 10 countries in( Africa continent )
China is way better than west
Europe could have made new road's Bridges school's hospitals telcoummnication other stuff they didn't
African's needs to be smart then move step by step
Chinese wants your minerals they are huge consumers market as well
Africa needs to attract FDI + Infrastructure + Trade + more deals
Best for Africa
For real.
That's your excuse.
We know the Chinese old saying：“授人以鱼不如授人以渔”，We do not give other people fish，instead we teach them how to fish.
黄凯剑 I think that's the main point missing in the discussion.
China doesn't owe Africa anything. Any resources extracted are sold at a fair market price.
It's up to Africans to train their own and lead themselves like every other developing society.
abz998 right like processing the resources within Africa to help create jobs
黄凯剑 :
Mister Huang, China did not“授人以鱼", What China did to the Africans was "售人以鱼”。
666
@@whkwole6842 a deal is a deal
Africans should quit complaining and learn the game from Chine and and how they got so far in such a short period time.
by copying others
Valeera yep right now it's the best position to be in the Chinese closely watch how the west screws up and chose a different approach which is good but not perfect, Africa can copy the Chinese but try not make the same mistakes.
if china wants to do it right they have to enslave the africans and take over africa , otherwise its going to be alot of racial fighting nonstop for hundreds of years just like now in america
Valeera yeah about that
theyre already doing it , they have them working in gold mines now paying them little to nothing
I'm not saying this coz I'm Chinese... but at around 8:00, the woman complains that only lowly jobs go to Africans. That got me thinking.... if Africans are generally unemployed and their countries didn't really have infrastructures, then the construction of these things or large scale projects must be new to Africa. Without skills and experience, what kind of jobs do you expect African workers to get?
If China had been in China for many decades and Africa is now basically developed but Africans are still only doing lowly job, then I see the point to complain about that.
+Rei W. That's NOT exactly true ..Lots of Building Specialist in Africa , it also depends on the Country in Africa ..But Fact is , China has a huge number of people they have to keep employed ..So , they word that in the contract they sign (To bring in a number of Chinese Workers) Btw , Most of these Chinese workers STAY in Africa even when the Job is Completed..little Secret ...
***** Do you have stats to back your claims up?
Rei W.
What Claim ? That Chinese over stay in Africa ? It's NOT exactly a Secret ..Lots of Chinese are now living in Africa , and they are not all documented ..You can google it , or look it up on RUclips .. But Africans don't keep record such statistics, not that I know of ...
***** Okay. But I don't think unskilled workers are a threat to local workers. The problem you guys have is with regards to skilled workers, right? Once there are more skilled workers in Africa, they will use more Africans. I believe that's already happening.
And don't tell me how many specialists there are in Africa, do they have the experience? No offense, but what's the quality of education there? Brazil for example is notorious for the lack of skills of its skilled labor. The same goes with the Philippines and many developing countries.
Rei W.
it's why I said "..It depends on the Country in Africa .." Nigeria for example have well Educated people and indigenous Developers . The Question is - Do You have the Money ?lol .
The thing is , China does not like to just provide Capital (cash) to African Countries because that could expose them to accusation of supporting corruption ..so they would rather just provide infrastructure(Construction) in exchange for the Raw Materials they get .This also supports their own developers & Companies ...I think its a fair exchange and works well for both sides ..
Good god, that host is so terrible. Woefully unprepared to talking about this topic. She spends like 5 min on trying to find a failed Chinese product? *facepalm*.
Fact is, China is doing a lot for/with Africa that the west either can't do or won't do. Yes, it's motivated in part by greed, but it's perhaps moreso motivated by how China NEEDS resources. China is a big country and there's a massive amount of both manufacturing for other countries, as well as for itself, thus it needs resources. China itself isn't a country that is endowed with many of its own. When China goes into an African country, it usually starts by making an irresistible proposal to African leaders:
- Cultural exchanges
- No intervening in the local politics
- Full or partial funding for a given project, such as a railway or road
At the very least the last two. This is in STARK contrast to the West, which always tries to push its own IDEAS on others, such as democracy. While in theory good and nice, it's just not always suitable or done in the right way or what's needed at the time. You can talk all you want about freedom of speech for example, but that matters very little to someone who doesn't have clean drinking water. The Western financial institutions like the IMF will also make deals which don't benefit the African country in question, such as when they need money. So this means with the West, African countries can risk getting screwed over both in the short AND long-term. In this regard, China is very generous.
Yes it's true there's bad stories of building projects not being completed, locals not being hired and perceived rascism. Absolutely. It's also true that black skin isn't considered a good thing in China, yes. Hence why Africans might feel they get treated badly. However China isn't used to dealing with the world in this way, so this could all change very quickly. China itself has certainly changed very quickly. It's also obvious why the Chinese aren't keen on employing locals:
- They don't speak Chinese
- They may not work as hard/long
- They don't know Chinese culture and customs
- They might have to be paid more
- China has many migrant workers and they need places to go to
- They're not a part of the Chinese "network" of people. 关系.
- They might not be as mobile or possible to move around on or manipulate.
- They probably don't have China in mind when working.
The thing about China is that it's a developing country, it's non-Western and it's not democratic. This totally separates China from how the West was and is. The West essentially treated Africa like garbage in the past. Lots of colonization, exploitation and all the other crimes that follow with that. Sure, a few good cultural legacies and such perhaps, but mostly Africa has suffered a lot. China often seeks out win-win situations.
However, China has ALSO suffered a lot. China was partly colonized by Western forces in its own time and it went through a period which the Chinese call "the century of humiliation" wherein they were humiliated. Because the Chinese were used to having great and powerful dynasties, but because they didn't follow what was going on, they got a rude awakening when Western forces (British, French, Assmerican etc.) forced themselves on it. China wasn't able to defend itself.
So China has only recently really sprung into developing; which started in 1978. So in only 30 years China went from being extremely poor, to being the worlds number 1 economy or close to. That's extremely well done, considering it took Western countries many more decades. So Africa has a lot in common with China. BUT China also NEVER colonized African nations. They explored Africa a bit in the voyages of one of their famous naval commanders, a guy called Zheng He, but that's it. There's lots to gain here, for both sides. I'd also rather have a half-finished railway than a bombed out apartment complex.
+ThePolishWatermelon 123 one of the better comments from an educated person who has a good understanding of world politics, history, economics and reality on the ground. Getting a little tired of all these ignorant China bashing comments coming from decendents of ex-colonizers who has little idea of complexities of this relationship. As in many of these relationships there will always be pros and cons, and i agree with alot of what you mentioned. But i think on the whole, this sino-africa relationship is working out better for Africa than a relationship with the west. And i definitely see Africa is trending upward in its development in the last decade
Thanks, that's nice of you.I also agree with what you said.
a few months too late..but well said!
Samantha Manyika
It's never too late! Haha. Thank you very much. If you wish to know more about some of China's recent engineering projects, such as how they're building railways all over the world, check out the channel called Daily Conversation. It's pretty good and not lengthy.
Speaking the literal truth. I've never before seen such a good thing so heavily scrutinized.
Unlike the US who wants domination by preventing other countries from developing, China prefers to grow together by benefiting both countries in cooperation.
China grew only because of NAFTA (thanks, Clinton) and Deng's free-market reforms.
@Keith Erickson lol if west can steal rob why not china learn from them lmao. Adapt improvise. Lmao
This is neocolonialism
@@therapheal_2278 so nearly same what UE doing with Eastern European countries now like Poland, Romania, Croatia... It's, all about Huge Corporations from France and Germany.
Chinese are good people they can help Africa not damageing like America and Europe
+Ad Emran Khan have you ever been to China, the people there are very racist, same with Japan, white people are better
+Lewis Mafinga That's is not exactly true. Although some Chinese are racist, there are still many Chinese see people without color. For example: My family members has married with Hispanics and have mixed blood kids.
Lewis Mafinga
white people are better ??
On a Scale of Zero to Snoop dogg How High are you ?
You will get what you wish for,you will have to leave your continent like the Chinese are doing after they polute your continent !
刘易斯马文加
Generally speaking, the Chinese do not have the concept of racism, because traditionally Chinese people rarely touch other nationalities. Although there are other ethnic minorities in the hinterland of China, they have a long history (China is a centralized empire and also An independent civilization, in this way, lasted for five thousand years. In development, it basically merges or accepts each other. Moreover, China has been the most advanced civilization in the world for most of its history, so it has no interest in contacting other countries or civilizations, and it is also geographically determined that it is not easy to go out, and the only one that can be more exposed. It is a nomadic nation in the north, but they always play a role of invasion and looting, so China is traditionally closed. Of course, there are differences in aesthetics, for example, Chinese people generally don’t like the darkness of the object, because white is an aesthetic acceptable to all. If you meet Africans, then it’s just an aesthetic difference, but it’s just an aesthetic difference. In Africans' feelings it becomes discrimination and racism.
LONG LIVE CHINA AFRICA FRIENDSHIP AND BETTER FUTURE TOGETHER!!!
China wants resources
@@therapheal_2278 thats great, they need it to build infrastructure there, but not steal or robbing for cents, corupt politicans like US and UE did.
@@therapheal_2278 no problem they give something valuable for it they get. the rich whites wants it for free
African bros let me tell you how China built such a economic powerhouse in 30 years. Chinese work hard but that's not enough, Chinese trade is built on equality and a balanced outcome for all parties.
I'm not saying all Chinese are good and all Western people are bad but history has provided plenty of evidence. Since ancient time, China has build trade networks with many countries, never has China used military forced for trade gains. On the other hand, Western economic power is built on military power, even today.
Chinese can truly understand the painful colonial history of Africa because China fought two Opium wars with the British. Millions of Chinese lost their lives and entire cities were razed or ceded and priceless artefacts stolen. Lets not talk about the revenge for the past but we have to make sure that history does not repeat itself.
Do you know anything about the life of the average worker in China? It's not good.
Emma Munro
Yeah and for better wages it need fabricated western imported “democracy” yeah??
yes, it is far better. It's not perfect, but it creates a much higher standard of living overall.
Emma Munro
Yeah, world have seen white imported democracy in Iraq. In India half of the population are sleeping out of their house without bread and butter. In Africa the same democracy is proving fail tool for destruction but you people never tired of preaching about democracy.
For me, any “ism” or political terminology is just a useless. If any ideology can give poor bread and butter and improve the life then it’s good.
hmmm, I wanna hug you.
The relationship between China and Africa is better than 1000* the relationship between west and Africa..
We support this relation and are willing to help to improve it..
In 2015 the annual per capital GDP of China is only 8,000 USD and the Total GDP of China is 11 trillion USD for its 1.36 billion population. So China still is a developing country. And China will maintain a 5%-7% sustainable y-o-y GDP growth rate in coming 20 years because Chinese rapidly develop better education, health care system,infrastructure,integral industry system and enjoy better innovation facilities ever before. China's rising is not a result from CCP regime or Capitalist Democracy regime, but a result from a enormous well-education and well-training population.By the end of 2014 ,130 million Chinese have the college diploma and university diploma, and 200 million Chinese have the high middle-school diploma, 520 million Chinese have the junior middle-school diploma,360 million Chinese have the 6-years elementary education diploma. Every year additionally 7 million Chinese students graduate from different colleges and universities to start working. Still China's economy will take 10-15 years to reach per capital GDP 20,000 USD which is the threshold of developed country. China will spend another 15-20 years from now to be the real No.1 economic entity and distribute the income more fairly among different people in different tiers. China make trades and investments with Africa fairly. Trades and investments always benefit each other. So if Africa want to develop fast, pls keep society stable like China,let Africa people work hard,let them well-education and well-training. if you have no well-education and well-training people, things should be quite tough.
Fisher Smith This is very much interesting. I want to learn more about education in China could you please give me any link to the source .
nosta nosta education in China, you can visit www.chinaeducenter.com/en/cedu.php or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_China
Thx so much.
+Fisher Smith i enjoyed your post, but i have to say for me personally 20K in USD are noy exactly the requirements for one country to be labelled developed. i would take Chile as a model for example with 15K in nominal percapita and 25K in PPP percapita but has very high HDI statistic and has a stable society because the wealth are distributed evenly..
to me if within 10-15 years (so 2025-2030) china's could reach the level of what Chile has accomplished i would call them "near developed" with better environment condition of corse
+Gerry Gerry look at america, so call developed world, they had to shut down their government for a while coz they didnt have anymore money, and the national debut is so bad that all they can do is keep printing more money, but i mean thats a developed country right.
Africa need technology and development, China need recourse, then we do the business. Any thing is going wrong?
The Chinese need to leave, not Africa’s problem their county is dirty and overrun
Yes, it is a problem for the US as if China and Africa succeeds, USA will have another economic enemy.
Yes its wrong, africa has been ruled by west and they should choose what happens there as per these guys!
@@MaheshAdhikari Make chinese comes is their own choose. No one force them
African: I want a job
Chinese: OK, here's a job but it pays very low.
African: I want a high paying job
Chinese: OK, you need to work hard and have technical skills
African: How do I learn these skills?
Chinese: You will have to learn Chinese to understand my instructions
African: No, I don't want to learn Chinese, and I don't want to work hard like your Chinese workers 24/7
Chinese: Well, I can only help those who want to help themselves.
Moral of the story. China back late '79 was in same development stage as Africa is 10 years back. They manage to work hard, have a good competent government whose policy benefit the people. Learn from that example and stop making excuses.
dhg1234 'china back in '79 was in the same level as Africa'. This is false. China was way ahead and most African countries were under colonial rule at that time.
dhg1234 'African: No I don't want to learn chinese and I dont want to work hard like chinese workers 24/7' what are you impling here. You do realise that Chinese workers have worked alongside their African counterparts peacefully and productively for the past thirteen years.
dhg1234 , what makes you think we don't work hard?
Carol Khisa apparently we don't work hard but all b s aside the African people need to start thinking forward we need to start Creating opportunity for ourselves it's clear no one likes us but because we don't have our own we keep going to the same people who keep disrespecting us.
dhg1234 ...what is with the practice of low paid wages....& avoidance of LABOR UNIONS as the CHINESE LABOR PRACTICE!!!
One's labor, takes years out of your time ON EARTH & SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FAIRLY WITH GREAT WAGES!! CONSTRUCTION LABOR IS IN HOT SUN!!!
As a Chinese, I have to tell you this: please be realistic, if African countries have plenty of highly skilled labours, china won't bother to bring workers thousands miles away to Africa. Don't even complain about low salary, if you can handle the high difficulty job, go get it. No intention to offend anybody, just wanting people to be fair, get what you deserve.
Let's say it in a more romantic way: Workers of the world, unite!
Thanks for the Corona, China. thanks for giving us what we deserved
The relationship between Africa and China should be like the previous one between China and the USSR when China was coming into it's own. That relationship kept the long arm of western imperialism at bay and allowed for China to develop without major or constant interference. When the time came that they should part, they did, without the threat of war. African nations should have the same aim and goal in mind, partnering with a strong military and economic power that will allow for the development of value for African resources for Africans, and prosperous and long term raw material resource contracts for China. The goal of all African nations should be the gradual and total reduction of raw materials exports, replaced by manufactured African products, at any cost. Our alliance with China will force the rest of the world to purchase manufactured African products made from African raw materials at current market prices. A win win situation for both parties.
Singaporean-Canadian (ethnically Chinese) and I am cheering on Africa and China ❤️ China's and Africa's growth is beautiful
Thank you China for helping our African brothers and sisters. Keep up your good work! Love you my Chinese brothers and sisters.
Complaining low-waged jobs? Prove u have the ability to do high-payed jobs
China is doing a great job, they are peaceful, actual traiding parners and dont just colonize. Yes there are imperfections, but without the growing infrastructure we cant do anything..later we will develope ourselves and be better partners to china as well.
Li Dia well said
So you're acknowledging that China is a Colonizer and not in partnership with Africa? Thanks for being honest. It's now up to the African people if they want to exchange one form of colonialism for another, regardless of the benefits it may provide at the outset. Self determination is paramount to ensure the survival of the indigenous Africans, nothing less.
They treat Africans horrible and they are racist
@@gordonphillips2376 he said they dont just colonize meaning in comparison to the Europeans and US. especially France who is being kicked out of several countries.
The West (US) gives them bandaid solution (food, water, etc.)
East (China) gives them long term solution (jobs, opportunities).
The us can’t afford giving economic aid it’s spending so much on militarily keeping peace. China is helping out as the economic partner. The us is the military partner
This is colonialism. China does not want Africa to be powerful and independent, it wants Africa in debt. The Chinese come to Africa thinking they are smarter and more qualified
@@therapheal_2278 Yes, Chinese should give Africa money for free and go back to China, otherwise it's colonialism，lol
Chinese in the 80's: 14hrs work day? Sounds about right.
Africans in 2015: 14hrs work day? Human rights abuse.
Chinese in the 80's: Little money/day? What an opportunity.
Africans in 2015: Little money/day? Hey why is the Chinese earning more than us?
Chinese in the 80's: We'll have to sacrifice the environment if we want to get out of poverty.
Africans in 2015: We need sustainability.
SpiritsBB As a Chinese, maybe you look great everywhere in China, but do you know what we sacrifice in our growing?Many you do not know. to be honest, i hope your country find a way to develop your country better than Chinese ways
SpiritsBB Perhaps you're missing what really happened to the cost of living human, rights and minimum wage between 80's and 2015. The biggest problem with our development is our leaders and their lack of accountability to us Africans. Many Africans know and are willing to do what needs to be done but there's no support
Richard1991213 development pay the price for environmental damage.
dont act as if you had a CHOICE to evade such general rule.
west had pay huge price for such development in the past
today, west had become developed nation
they are imposing many kind of rules on developing nation.
+WhyDoPeopleRespond AwkwardlyToAwkwardness
Chinese's response to my first comment above: "Hm... Is he right? where can I improve?"
Africans response to my comment above: "Idiot racist comment. And not true at all. There is also a very high suicide rate in China and east Asia."
Remember when the Chinese were building the Three Gorge Dam; the whole western world ganged up against it in the name of protecting the environment. Many NGOs were formed just to fight the project, but the Chinese just forged ahead and are now enjoying electricity even in remotest village in the country, they have totally got rid of blackouts and load shedding. Can the Africans do the same? I doubt because they still have to get the nod from the western capitals
The well educated Chinese managers are doing an excellent job of supervising the African laborers. Excellent job.
Better than nothing. 😂
Chinese PLEASE help africa!!!!
+REVOLUTIONARY they are not helping africa, they are doing business!!!
SAME THING!!!
+REVOLUTIONARY countries like china don't do charities, they follow their interests!
+Ndoli Sabi yes, you are right and it is just business. China never want to change anything in other countries, they just want to do business. That's so simple. It's the difference between China and west.
+Lei Chen the west? what do you mean
It's a win win for both countries by building infrastructure and technology transfer in which benefits the people.
lol. This is colonisation of Africa, V2, have fun.
greetings from evil west
At least they didn't sell and kill salves
Thank you ladies for a very informative show. The guests were outstanding and brought different perspectives on this subject matter.
the locals need to help themselves, by studying science and technology, by self investing in education and training, by being entrepreneur creating business, by making local community better through hard working. Chinese come in to do infrastructure, laying a foundation for locals, but Chinese can't do everything for the locals. The locals don't have much engineering skill, how do you expect Chinese give them high pay engineering jobs?
How are you gonna self invest into education if you spend entire day trying to get food and water.
Yes China finally Africa is getting peace
It's very similar like China in the earlier years, people ( mostly unskilled, uneducated, little involved in factory) and land ( no tap water, no electricity, no tar road little connections with outside world) started with low pay labor jobs and little infrastructure. It takes time to develop skills, road, buildings, facilities.
The educated Chinese Managers do an excellent job of supervising the labor force.
Without their cultures changing, it probably won't provide much for the Africans. The European empires left plenty of infrastructure and technology, it didn't advance them.
Black america please stand up ! Let's go back home !
You too must come because all of humanity came from here.,.....how dumb can Indians get?
Why?
Anacilea Sanchez yes true
Ummm no
black americans are at home
China was in the position of Africa, during the 80, 90s millions of young Chinese families suffered through leaving families moving to a city and building the infrastructure! (My family was one of those my mother left me when I was 1) and today China have a strong enough cities with enough money to help and pull the rural areas such as the town I was from. And the Chinese believe African can do the same just like every success story there have to have suffering and hard ship before you can have a bright future!
those people didn't talk about one thing: Ethiopia manufacture jobs grow along with its improvement of its infrastructure. without improvement of infrastructure, manufacturing jobs would not come and grow.
Will Africans ever grow Africa themselves
Chinese investments or aids to Africa do not try to make those African governments irrelevant. This alone will probably ensure good long term cooperative relation that is different from the past African experiences with the colonial western powers.
China knows what Africa has experienced, just as China has experienced it.
Asians and Africans have the right to live as well as whites through their own efforts.
Evil imperialists are getting angrier and angrier every time China have invested in Africa. China help Africa to unshackle the chains with which Europians have tangled Africans. They blame China for taking the resources of Africa. Both continents are benefiting from this equal relationships. We Africans do need to hear when the evils tell us what to do or not what to do.
Let China help modernize and improve the African nations! More construction and and more modern life helps make life better for poor nations.
Love Afica from China
africa
Get out China , from Africa
china mean well for Africa. not only are they giving the governments loans. but they are helping with the instructors too. as far as hiring the dinginess people to work in their factories. that need to be address. it could be because of language Beria. but i think we need to find solution to that. most Chinese are well educated and smart. so am sure they will find a solution to the matter. it is give and take in this partnerships. and i believe that it will be a win win for both party. i mean china and African. the government also need to provide more security more police to tackle any terrorist that wan,ts to disestablish our movement towards development. it is about time we turn African continents into an industrialized nation. this way we can start manufacturing our own products and equipment. with the help of the investors . i believe we can do it. god bless Africa and all that mean well for African continent.
China's rising because their people never mind to do underpaid jobs. if Chinese entrepreneurs have to paid the same cost in Africa then why should they bothered to go harsh remote land over there? if the western entrepreneurs wished to pay higher wedge in west rather low cost in China. China will never rise! lazy people always blame others. if you doing dirty job today and use your hard earned cash wisely to build up your own industrial capacity, one day you probably become next emerge economy soon! if you don't have money to invest you have to provide either cheap labour or natural resource to attract investment. nothing is free and no one owe you nothing!
you are absolutely right, i am from china, grow up in 80s, whats happening in africa happened in China twenty years ago,the western international enterprises came to China and started to do investments, yes the jobs were low paid ,yes it was intense ,but wasn't the reason those companies came to invest in the first place?we worked hard and kept believing there will be a better future for everyone, i believe this is same for any nation, keep working hard and stop complainning , the good future will come after all
+Derry Chen I am African and I think you have summed it all up. You are the best. I fear the worst Chinese less than I fear the best European. Europeans have always been a nightmare to Africans.
Osei Tutu Tawiah yep
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Everything comes with an advantage and disadvantage. Even so, why halt progress because of it? Africa needed a boost, China is giving them one. Whether Africa falls into China's debt or not, Africa is receiving other types of benefits that improves the quality of life for its people that has been living with slight progress in this modern world.
China is a door opener for Africa.
After Africans are trained, roads and ports are build, the rest should be up to Africans to do better and excel in future.
China can provide low interest loans, skill training, knowledge exchange etc. basically teaching and helping Africans to be more self sufficient, self reliant. This benefits China as a well as Africa nations.
it will happen. Africans are hungry to learn.
no one can deny the development of Africa doing business with china but the balances must be the end we seek.
China is the best builder in the world.
🇨🇳 Chinese hard working people ❤ we love them ❤
I think the main reason is not to outnumber the Africans in their own countries (though some chinese will eventually migrate to some African countries). I think the reason they do it is to built some allies. If they can built up the countries in Africa they will also gain loyal allies. If those African countries start to develope they can easily beat the western world when it comes to economy, trade, etc. Thats also one of the reason why the western world is not trying that hard to built up Africa.
From my view, China changing Africa for some reasons bellow: first, Africans once help China return to UN, which means Africans are great political allies to China in the world. So China should try their best to win over Africans,even without making money. Second, It's mutual benefits that China can make some money and Africans can develop their economies and improve their life standard, which also can make Chinese a good reputation. Somehow, China wants to change its image to be more positive.Third, China wants to upgrade itself manufacturing level by industrializing Africa to challenge the West. Fourth, China can build the good relationship with Africans. Friends can save and support you in case of dangers .
I am really happy to see like this project in Africa and our new friends chine Thnk u . Western friends the teach us corruption and they gave us guns to kill each other wil they took our resource 😢
If you want high quality jobs you have to be high quality yourself. Chinese did the low cost jobs before they grew up the value chain, why can't Africans? The Chinese are actually giving them a boost they couldn't create themselves. These Africans should be less critical and more thankful.
Agreed, yet still complaining
I was young once and had no school or work experience in Canada. Guess what I got, a low paying minimum wage job. BUT here's the thing, the next generation, and those that follow will keep getting better and higher paying jobs. CHINA is the only one willing to train a totally unqualified person to learn that job onsite.
The sense I get from here in the Uk and listening to this, is that China is okay with building up Africa but not with Africa empowering itself to go its own way
It's good to have something in hand rather than nothing . China is building infrastructure and providing jobs in industries. At least china is training them to become skilled person for jobs rather than making them the robbers and terrorists. Great job china🙄🙄🙄👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
As a matter of facts the Chinese are guarantee if not at least slightly better then western countries in treatment towards African nation. Nobody can deny or twists this facts. There is no way to debate this truth,I can openly challenge anyone who dare to say western countries trading styles are better in moral then china.
Toh Hong Chin Mike West come with army and Bible, leave with resource. Chinese come with businessman and money, leave with resource.
Chinese people started with low wage jobs in the 80s. They worked their way up with hardwork, continuous learning and dedications. Don’t blame others when you do not got a good job!!!
Africa should stop excepting outsiders, that's part of why it became the poorest continent in the world.
China is a force for good, it's the reason that former colonial powers are coming to apologize, because they don't want to miss out.
They will learn the hard way.
It took two generations of efforts for China to get the current economic products, but they didn't complain before! In my opinion, Africa is developing faster. Why should we complain so much!
When China open up , All these foreign investment. companies, especially manufacturing also pay local workers very low wages for maximum profit. where were all these suspicions and suggestions about higher wages and more employment with better prospect?
As a self employed small business person. it's a given, you work low wages, work hard, learn the skills , save money, then set out to have your own business
better yet if the African government would help these local new entrepreneurs.
Chines workers usually sacrifice for a generation or two to reach these levels
It's all hard work and sacrifices. not entitled.
Entitlement is such a western mentality and culture.
This is a very informative well though conversation between the group!
Africa need the rise on its own resources!!! Africa can literally be a independent profitable united country of its own. Africa is the motherland and the last natural place on earth, with nature, wildlife, and ancient history, Africa needs to build there own self made businesses which will completely cut out the middle man, and has the potential of being the next big super power all on its own. Africans are strongly dedicated to education so why are they not increasing in there own businesses, if China or any other country wishes to trade with Africa than perfect, but these companies need to be purely owned by "Africa". Really look into China's government and you will see major concerns! abandoned cities to population control, low income jobs, the list goes on. How it seems is they are so desperate for help they don't really see the quiet before the storm. Say what you want about America but as we know America is in increasing debt to China, and you see all the corruption there, i fear there is anterior motives that though short term it may seem reasonable, long term it may put Africa in a bad situation and also wind up being in debt.
talk2me9ja You really dont know much about the Chinese government or how they operate. Africa is pretty much being robbed and colonized, the silent take over. Its not about America vs China its about people like myself who knows what's really going on and voicing ourselves for the protection of the last natural and most important place left here on this planet. One thing that we all know is how much dept America is in due to China, now knowing there pushing for a New World Order, and all of a sudden after years China has been in Africa now there finally building stuff that could have been done with?... Africa needs to do this on its own without other countries. Cut out the muddle man and do it on its own. Learn how to build roads and all Africa needs, its not that hard of a thing to do especially now we have Google and RUclips and everything, Africans can teach each other what to do and how to do it for themselves rather than volunteering as slaves giving all there hard work resources making other people rich while they stay poor. What goes on in Africa can literally effect the entire world and its the most important place which is why other countries need to keep there greedy hands out of it and "Africans" profit the rite way. African people are not helpless not by a long shot, there some of if not thee most hard working people which is why so many were stolen into slavery that once had the most beautiful constructions, monuments, and cuties around tge world, Egypt being one of them. Your looking at tge gilts and glam, but your not looking at the consequences long term. We're looking at it long term, mind you China is overpopulated they can only have 1 child per family, and there government treats Africans just how they treat there own African workers. And even now bringing cheap quality and priced Chinese made stuff that's taking jobs from the African people, before you know it China will own Africa and that's why people are against it. Africa needs to have there own, not depend on other's to fix therev problems, fix it themselves. Look at it from a logical point of view, China in Africa like this is a bad thing.
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mark smith Good morning fellow King. There are many videos on this that's come to my attention about China and Africa, and what really lies beneath it all.
That's what Gaddafi wanted, a united Africa, but we all know what happened.
Colonizers can stand the thought of Africans prospering.
china helped africa
Neocolonialism
Get out of the continent, give them basic blue-prints (water sanitation, building affordable housing, agriculture) and then let them build what they can.
Oke china is not a salvation army organistion but I think it is a win win situation
China has been very fair in their deals, in the pacific they are building new schools and unfrastructure. Yes its a loan but we never got that from Australia or NZ or the USA.
The white guy seemed a bit biased but I think I can understand how he feels.
Africans should appreciate the efforts made by China for them, they should always remember shat est colonizers did to them.
Around 33.10, the Chinese activities are much more efficient than the west, nothing to do with shady road. Physical structure got certain standard to comply.
Chinese company can be more efficient because they are business oriented, while the west has got more other things involved. Remember both come mostly with loan and financing, the Chinese are much straight forward - business, with good returns, the west are much more to business, good returns plus control.
I suspect, the Chinese are more humanitarian, while the West are more politically motivated. Why, because more African states prefer China. Corruption?? Both cases can happen. Corruption is human factor. Unless either one side is not human.
Very well conducted sound discussion truly
China is not angels, good nations doesn't sell poisoned food made out of plastic and other artificial junk to whole populations. Food has always been used in war to weaken the enemy sense beggining of civilization- never ignore that as a black man/woman. We Afrikans are so kind and good hearted that we think everybody else also share the same mentality but they really dont. We must do for Afrika by Afrikans!
In my opinion, the everyday racism below certain videos is worrying. Do you not understand how politics, economic and business works?
Of course, it is easy to blame the "white man" for all grievances but by adopting this attitude you will never catch on to the industrialised nations and you won't find any solution for the countless problems which still exist.
Instead you should make peace and start to build up your country and make Africa great again. Thanks.
Don't unterstand me wrong, I don't say that the white men hasn't done anything wrong.
But to strenghten my point of view I would like to give an example, Europe.
Germany was responsible for two terrible wars, the first and the second world war...
Now imagen France were still blaming Germany and it were still looking for revenge.. France would never have become this successful and rich country which it is now.
Africa has to stop blaming Europe and the white men and has to start working with Europe and America. Otherwise, Africa will never catch on... in this case, Africa will be right and the world will know it, but it will never become rich and successful!
If you need an example, take China into your considerations. The have a colonial history as well and they were brutally exploited by the British Empire. But now, Great Britain is one of their biggest trade-partners.. how it comes?
I guess the problem might be a different one.
Could it be, that you are a bit jealous, rampaging against the west out of hurt feelings. If so, I can reassure you, I do understand your sentiment
You country lack a proper history. You country lack influence in the past, today and in the future as well. Your country rather poor than rich. Your life, in a shoddy town as an individual with so many prejudices and so much hate. If offered, you would love to take the opportunity to move to Europe or the USA, but it was never offered. You might have applied, but failed.
And now, you can't help but spreading hatred against the "predominant race", the evil west, the enemy.
Seriously, I can understand you. After so much studying, learning all these "enemy-languages" you were deprived of the opportunities you had hoped for. Keep going my friend, keep going.
Stanley Dougé First of all, seeming you don't know that the us-population is almost entirely made out of europeans who went there few centuries ago.
Stanley Dougé I agree with you , the german history might in sompe parts be brutal and savage. On the other hand many people of history are of german descent. On the other hand, I have never heard about any person of importance with haiti descent. Can you name any?
Stanley Dougé Please, don't imderstand me wrong. I don't want to convey the notion that Germany is in any way better than Haiti. I don't want to talk your cultural heritage down. I had only the intention to prove your view wrong and give you the opportunity to advance by changing your opinion and your view.
The future is not written yet and if you change your views and change your sentiment and abolish the hate, you migh have the possibility to help your country to be an important player in the 21 century.
so be very careful!!
china is a nice country for startups and businesses it would be lovely to see that in africa soon
people always bite the hands that feed.
Go western countries, please keep up with the Chinese and China won't mind, because what's good for Afrancan is also good for the World.
good stuff lets hope China does a good job
I'm from Belgium. I have a friend who works in Congo Kinshasha. He's an urban planner and while he works with a lot of people, and is familiar with the business in Kinshasa. He never saw a Chinese person in his life until this year.
I saw documentary what your king did in Congo also human zoo in Belgium 🤮
It's because we see Africa as an opportunity instead of less human beings.
I don't get the attitude out of the African host toward this Chinese Analyst. She seems annoyed by him not telling the "truth" about how "evil" Chinese Company are. The essential spirit of business is to make money not providing aid, you can't blame business for discrimination just because they sell cheap stuff to African.
As a nation you can't rely on other nation to lift you out of poverty hand by hand. Take advantage out of them, learn from them even steal technology from them if that is to be done in order to help you develop a country.
Hating the only country who is willing to invest in Africa seems like a pathetic mentality among "high educated African". If you can't do yourself a favor, I don't know who will...
I think any nations fully cooperating with China can at least enjoy the infrastructure as China does, becoz China can really build something.
long live the free people of Africa and china and to the rest of the world no guilty feelings.bizness is bizness baby.
If China self-interest is also benefitting Africans self-interest what not to like 🧐🤔🤗🤗🤗
Nigeria should give China a chance to invest and operate there,but the people should be conscious in other to get the best out of the Chinese operations there
A better tomorrow for our children.
In being China's *****.
If you interbreed African and Chinese enough you'll get the rebirth of the Terracotta Warriors. That's what people are truly afraid of.
Victoria Love nonsense
Chinese people believe if you did something kind, you or your children will get reward for your kind deeds.