Autism Spectrum Disorder and Schizophrenia: Shared Traits and Treatment
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This presentation by Drew C. Coman, PhD, was part of the patient education program “Outside the Box in Psychosis Treatment: Towards Stage-based and Symptom-targeted Interventions” featuring specialists from Mass General’s Schizophrenia Program. The Department of Psychiatry provides free educational programs for patients and families facing a variety of mental health challenges. Learn more about these programs: www.massgeneral...
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I can tell you that the overlap is because people with ASD usually feel misunderstood by their parents, family, and friends. The continual bullying for being “weird” leads to shut down and eventually masking to try to fit in. This eventually leads to feeling like a fraud and worrying so much about being accepted that it’s easier to just stay home and avoid the mental exhaustion.
I hear you on that I have ASD and been bullied my entire life because of how 'weird' or 'strange' I was. That's why I stay at home with my computer and books socialising is exhausting just because people do things differently doesn't mean we're not human to.
@@metallife8395 you’re not alone ❤️
Right on👍.
Exactly same thing right here brothers. Let's just take solace that if we ARE weird, at least were not the only example in existence lol
Symptoms don't equal casualty.
So many people go from ASD to Schizophrenia this I’ve learnt through my own experiences . In these cases there has to be something going on to the brain over a period of time !! This needs to be studied
Why is it this phenomenon of mistaken identity?
I have Asperger's I would have to disagree with you!!!
@@robertgomez6368 you can’t compare your disorder to someone else’s
So many people? How many should that be
Prevalence of autism in schizophrenia: 3.4 - 50% (26.7)
Prevalence of schizophrenia in autism: about 6%.
Schizophrenia in the world population: about 1% (20million people)
Autism in the world population: 0.6% by (18million people)
Schizo autistic = 1,08mio
Autistic schizo = 5,34mio people
is that enough to be many?
do you want to know when something is going on in the brain over a period of time? Always.
Do you know anything that has already been researched on this topic and may already have solutions?
Maybe you should search and ask more instead of demanding new research?
Do you already have a good knowledge of a subject or are you one of those people who think they have it but actually don't?
no criticism, just a thought-provoking suggestion......
I disagree with that too none of that is true completely different conditions
Thank you for this video. As someone with schizoaffective disorder, I often times feel myself overstimulated as well as I do not understand social functions much and wanted to research if my diagnosis had related to autism in anyway, and I am very glad to have found this!
Same
Have you try MRI scan we have diagnose our son shown it he has autism . With MRI scan.
I know of a person who fits almost everything on both disorders. Communication Disorder being she often cuts in short replies (uh-hu, yeah, ok etc) before you finish saying a sentence to her but it's because she's listening to a voice conversation in her head of which you're interrupting. Her talking to the voices and visual hallucinations are getting worse.
My daughter who is 4 years old has ASD. Strange enough she flips out thinking there’s bugs on the walls of our apartment randomly when nothings there at all. Completely irrational fears. I notice it more when she is highly stressed or anxious. It’s like some kind of CPTSD symptom.
Do you give her pre or probiotics in her food? The production of gut flora is vital for the brain and autistic children really don’t produce much of it so the brain suffers also it makes them more prone to stomach pains which usually manifest in meltdowns. Research gut theory , I’m sure it would help her. The first few years of life are crucial towards helping your kid for life. My son is 4 and nonverbal.
@@michaelcandido2824 yes. She has really bad sensory issues with her mouth so we’re giving her rice cereal with probiotics in her sweet potatoes with butter for healthy fat.
@@NatureandSpirit111 I just read that 33% of kids on ASD will develop schizophrenia! That’s such a high rate. I had what used to be called aspbergers, and both my children are autistic. My eldest I assume is an aspie like myself and my youngest is nonverbal though he does say words just not full on sentences. I find that his iPad helps him a lot especially all the educational videos he watches.
@@michaelcandido2824 yup I did as well find the educational videos on the iPad helped my daughter a lot! I’ve read that extreme stress can trigger a schizophrenic episode. And, I sometimes wonder if asd kids’ inability to stim in some stressful situations can lead to this happening to them?
I just think alot of people out there are misdiagnosed. My son has ASD and "pseudo hallucination" constantly having voices and nightmares. and psychiatry dont think he has a psychotic illness so are not treating him for that. However the voices are constant, invasive, torturous, derogatory and destructive. He self harms and has suicidal ideation. Im not sure his diagnosis is fully correct. He is definitely autistic but nobody wants to say he may be schizophrenic. My daughter is scjozoaffective. Help please!
14:00 genetics
15:00 Scizophrenia
16:40 shared traits
Thank you
Oh my goodness get to it already. I hate hearing myself talk, others not so much.
Don’t worry, that happens to literally almost every person on earth, I reckon.
Ive gotten screened for autism...But ive only recently realized that it might be scHizophrenia
A great book on amazon which will help you greatly for recovery www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08MDK65QG
Thank you, very helpful and informative.
Interested to see if anyone has any experience with non verbal adults with autism who look as if they have psychosis but can't communicate what they're seeing?
I do!
26:15 Wow! ~110% of the population has schizophrenia that is right on the threshold of being diagnosed!
And apparently, 100% of neurotypical people have minimal difficulties, in addition to the part of the neurotypical population that have more trouble.
Gut brain connection, lousy gut microbiomes effect human brain
100% agree. I still have gut issues and mental health issues, but diet change, probiotics and supliments improved my life incredibly. I feel a lot better too.
@@bluescorpion5954 what supplement you take, please?
@@user-sr9ml4bx6j I've taken several supliments over the years. 5-HTP, Zinc, B6, Vitamin D & K2 (combined), L-Tyrosine, L-Tryptophan, Glutathione, GliSODin and more. I'm not suggesting take all that at once or that you even need all that. Those are some things some people find helpful and certainly some of them have helped me. There are probably a bunch more options I haven't mentioned.
@@user-sr9ml4bx6j Glutathione is apparently very good for people on the autism spectrum. Common deficiency. It helps with detoxification and antioxidant function.
@@bluescorpion5954 thank you for the reply, much appreciated
The brain is a very complex machine and this means there are a lot of mechanisms to understand such mental conditions. If we talk about mechanisms there could be symptoms which are quite similar to other mental problems but they could have completely different origin. For this reason it could be quite difficult to considere any comorbidity between such mental issues. Schizophrenia usually have similar symptoms to autism but in the case of autism it is known to be caused by extra-synapses which cause extra connection in local scale but low connection in general scale of the brain. I haven't read any investigation about extra-synapses and schizophrenia but the opposite!!. So in my opinion it may be very almost impossible to have autism and schizophrenia at same time
Jimi x my understanding is that people diagnosed with ASD are more likely to develop Schizophrenia at some point in the future
@@andreaphillips7595It is absolutely wrong. Nobody have demonstarted any comorbidity of autsim further than OCD and there isn't any investigation of autists developing schyzophrenia in any way!. Some investigations pointed that the hiperplasticity of autism brings protection to Alzheimer and Alzheimer is quite similar to schyzophrenia as it's caused by caotic neuron disconnections. Newton, Einstein, Darwin, Tesla. Turing and many more scientists and inventors had autism. If autism wouldn't exist the human progress in science would be still really poor! Rational thinking cannot be caused by any brain deffect but the opposite. Some psychologists say that Asperger have lack of empathy. And people with BDP and psychopaths have "hiper-empathy" but they don't care so much about your feelings or if you die. All aspies that I know are the most humble and kind people that I know so psychiatrists should investigate better what empathy is really about before accusing the people of ASD of a lack of empathy.
Jimi x you are wrong. My daughter is Autistic and psychiatrists have learned that you are more likely to develop schizophrenia if you are autistic. research.birmingham.ac.uk/portal/files/22611324/Chisholm_et_al_Association_between_autism_and_schizophrenia_2015_Post_Print.pdf
@@andreaphillips7595 I even know some people with tourette syndrom since my childhood. And people with tourette are sometimes diagnosed with autism. However, it's known that tourette cause social problems specially when they have more noervous problems in their lives and is precisely when they could get positive diagnosis of autism but it's also probablly not autism as autism cannot be temporary. More investigation should be needed to know if there really exist any comorbidity of autism and tourette. I still haven't met any asperger with any comorbidity except those with wrong diagnosis. If they are hostile or if they have lots of prejudices (not based on science) it's probablly a wrong diagnosis of ASD. Theses cases usually get many diagnosis before getting the wrong one of ASD.
Jimi x I’m relying on scientific fact here
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Certain individuals arranging a variety of objects along cross country trails attempting to claim the canopies offering then pretending there’s no intent
Get to the point
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Where’s my Wingdings keyboard...I can interpret this....hmmm....*insert Stargate decryption scene*
SPECTURM
Schizophrenia (Brain Failure Point)
… Psychosis (Extreme)
… … Solipsism (Loss of difference between self and others)
… … … Sensitive (empathic -sympathetic )
… … … … Empathy-Sympathy-Systematizing (balanced)
… … … Analytic (sympathetic -systematizing)
… … Aspergers (systematizing)
… Functional Autism (Extreme)
Non Functional Autism (Brain Failure point)
This is the spectrum you are seeking, I would say they can’t overlap, it is the left brain vs the right brain, and what side is cognitively over intuitive.
They have very few shared traits. Your spectrum is wrong. Social impairments can also be human traits(introverted vs extrovert).
You are also using misleading language to purposefully skew opinions. You use “idiosyncrasy” extremely loose, to purposely miss guide your audience.
Females are more likely to be schizophrenic,
Males are more likely to be autistic.
This is what happens when you deprive learning at youth and intoxicate stereotypes, intermixing language with gender. Not needed in education, in actual learning by the time a kid is 12 they can educate themselves.
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This has got to be total bull we’re nothing like schizophrenics
I'm assuming that by "we" you mean persons with ASD. Also, it's incorrect to call people with schizophrenia "schizophrenics". People are not defined by their disorder and using such words increases stigma. To the point about this presentation being "total bull". As Dr Coman said, ASD may be diagnosed as early as 2 years of age. At this point given the developmental capabilities of the child, it is tricky to distinguish between conditions. Nonetheless, despite the limitations, prevention treatment or interventions must be offered. Both options have drawbacks but the earlier treatment is offered, the better the chances of assisting a child in their future development. As Dr Coman explained in his lecture some core features, such as communication and interaction deficits, may be present in both populations and since schizophrenia proper may take years to manifest, it would be unethical to just wait and see what happens without providing any assistance.
@@georgianikolidaki8262 Look I have ASD and I know it since I was a child and I didn't know about autism. I knew I had something and now I know it's called ASD. So you are wrong! I have ASD and I'm very like those with ASD. Nobody have developed any investigation which indicate any tangible evidence of any comorbidity between autism and schyzophrenia. We are absolutely tyred of this lack of choerence of such theories. And the press media usually made horrible mistakes which just helped to stigmatize autism in some very unfair ways. The psychatry is necessary for society but there are too many unresponsible professionals.
Jimi x I did not suggest a comorbidity. I said it’s difficult to distinguish between ASD and schizophrenia in small children, and the implications this may have in treatment.
@@georgianikolidaki8262 No schyzophrenia is nothing like autism in small children or in adults. There isn't any kind advantage of trating the autistic children as schizophrenic. We are more humble, quiet and "normal people" than most of neurotypicals. To talk in general is unfair for the people with ASD. If you think there's any advantage you have to tell exactly what advantages do you think they would have. I say there isn't ANY advantage! Autistic traits are nothing like schizophrenia.
@@georgianikolidaki8262 Children With Autism Have Extra Synapses In Their Brains - www.iflscience.com/brain/children-autism-have-extra-synapses-their-brains/
what about bad parenting? wanting it diagnosed so they can get benefits..what a joke the system is....some idiot social psychologist now retired listening to mom blah blah blah....now retired..so where do we stand here? studied this..and taking away from the kids whom are really needing this..down to money and bad diagnosis...
kids do not fall into this category..and have been denied the ability to fly and do well cos of parents wanting money
the husband says he has it..he's deaf and has wax impacted in his ears for years...too scared to get it done..so he falls into this category..please dr's phsycologists realise that some people are after the money
do you not think people can pretend cos they see this?...lucrative
your analysis is way off the mark..semantics, metrics need to be so much stricter..how many are really diagnosed?....all of us have the propoensity to be like this tick boxes?mom and dads perception.?.this is costing billions across the world...prob started in the 40's 50's .....time to stop molllycoddlying
my sister and her so called aspergic daughter went to classes and learned how to make sure she was aspergic to claim benefits..she is a very good actress!!!
I’m having an episode right now and it’s very positive and good feeling voice, what do I do? It’s not going away, it’s like very persistent and it is very powerful. Am I dying? Is God actually or whatever actually talking to me? Is it because no one cares and I’m so lonely that this imaginary friend personality has taken over my mind or is it just the subconscious doing it’s job but I’m unfortunately too connected to it? Will it cause me to not move again for hours at a time again? Is it do to hypnosis as a child is that possible?
Why are you paired with me?
Sounds like an overwhelming experiencr. Is there anyone you can contact for help?
CLAIRE KORTE you know I’m crazy. I’ve been crazy for awhile, so this is like Tuesday for me, it’s only really bad when I just lay there and my body doesn’t want to move. Everyday, first thing when I lay down, when I pee, and when I’m alone. We all have different normals, right? I’ve learned to just ignore it, until I can’t. I mean has insanity ruined my life maybe or maybe I’m lazy and it’s all my fault. I’m fine and completely normal. Some people would love to feel God’s presence and voice. I look kind of normal and act kind of normal, so why not pretend, I mean there is no real cure just ways to cope, anyway. Plus, when people hear that I am schizophrenic, they act like they should avoid me as much as possible, and can you blame them, just depressed people are a lot easier to deal with. I honestly just want to be treated as a human, not a freak or a burden. So, do I want help not that much. I just want to be around nice people. I learned to cope with after 17 years, strange years, but now I’m still lonely which seems to be a big trigger for me. Also, this comment is four months old.
@@awkwardzoltar3529 kindness/understanding is all any human being wants and deserves. Sorry for commenting. Hope you encounter the least suffering possible on your journey.
CLAIRE KORTE You don’t have to be sorry. That’s sweet, thanks.