My only critique generally speaking is don't be so afraid of offending someone! Your info is great. Don't need to remind us it's not an absolute truth when you offer advice. We got ya bro! You offer great information. Keep it up!!
+Cole bond I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offended you... Lol, just kidding! I hear you, I just try not to speak in absolute terms, in this hobby it can draw pretty severe criticism when you do. I've been wrong before and I know I make mistakes, so I try to give my perspective as a layperson rather than taking the position of an expert. I'm always learning and just enjoy sharing my journey. I appreciate your support!!
Running duel Rel 812's sounds amazing especially at low listening levels. Its hard to explain but I live in a tri plex and my neighbors have never complained in two years. The bass is all there and doesn't need to be loud to bring your system to another level.
15" subs are crazy. I find a 10" to be my favorite, matching dual as well. Without those room gadgets I find placement is key. Acoustic subs are nice but rare for me, had a JL audio in my car that was great. Lining them up is key, either together or out to the walls, whatever sounds best. sometimes I raise mine, and keep the front facing ports under the speaker. If you don't want to buy new subs Use your old amp and some old towers or something and hook it all up to the subwoofer out on your main amp and it's already crossover'ed.
3x 10in Jensens vertically stacked in place of what would otherwise be a center channel. one tower each side. power balance between mains and subs is within 50W. sounds sublime thanks for your help dude!
Running dual subs can also "fill in the blanks" so to speak! It can be quite "fulfilling". Working on a budget system as we speak with fairly nice results. Thanks for your guidance!
I just got the second Klipsch R 12SW ... and added it to the system( Yamaha TSR-700/ RX-V6A) ( it has 2 subs pre-out) and run the calibration ... I hear them both playing ...but the system still shows 5.1.2 instead of 5.2.2 ! What should I do to see it displaying 2 subwoofers?
The reciever doesnt have two sub channels. only two subwoofer outputs. theyll both have the same exact output. people have 7.1.4 setups but have 8 subwoofers
My left sub stopped working after I moved to new place. It does not appear anymore even when testing. Each sub would test during testing but now only one works. What could be the problem?
Hi! First of all - your videos are great! I have learned a lot from you and was able to set up my system (mainly bass management part) so that I really like the way it sounds. I am running 5.1 system with PB1000 (have selected it also thanks to your videos), the set of absolutely brilliant speakers - QAcoustics 3000 (with 3050 towers in the front) and the Marantz SR5009 AVR. I am planning to make it 5.2 some day, by adding the second PB1000. Easiest way to place the subs will be on the either side of the towers (will look very much like your front setup just the subs will be outside. Cannot place them inside, because the towers will be too exposed and the kids are running around..). With that the distance between the subs will be around 3 meters (10 feet approx). Is this sufficient to get good sounding bass? The other concern is regarding room correction. This AVR has 2 outs for the subs. Will Audyssey "see" 2 separate subs, or will it see them as one? In one of your videos there was a screen from your Denon menu under bass level adjustment, I saw Subwoofer 1 and Subwoofer 2. So it seams that the AVR is able to see and calibrate 2 subs separately. You might have covered this topic already, but I kinda missed some detailed set up of 2 subs. Maybe need to scroll through the videos again :) Anyway, thanks again for the very helpful information and all the tips! Cheers!
Hello Sir, any idea? I am running dual subwoofer (Front & Rear set up with both subwoofer model the same) , front and rear subwoofer does not turn on at the same time? While listening to music, only front sub will turn on automatically. Watching Blu-Ray movies and concert, both sub will be on automatically. Look forward hearing back from you..... Thanks
Hey subwoofer 101 dude. I’m having a UMIK1 coming in soon do you have tips on how to set up REW for 1st timer? I have 2 PB 2k pros and want to ensure they both blend with fronts paradigm monitor 9s.
I have Two Whalfdale Diamond SW150s on my setup of 7.2. From a Onkyo amp. It has Two sub outs on the back. I was told these are left and right sub channels. So I got a track that had deep sub bass, that runs from right to left and back again, on the Hi Fi. So I put It In the player, and sure Enough It did pan across the subs. So when watching Maverick, and the planes are flying left to right or the other way. The Bass tracks them and sounds much more natural than just one Sub In the system. Also If You can locate Your subs, then they are way two Loud.
Hey guys. I’m a newbie and building a 5.2.4 system. I’m running a Denon 4300 9.2 channel avr. So at the moment I only have 2 front Kef 700s and also 2 subs the Kef 400b. When I’m running a sub from subwoofer preout 1 all sounds great. If I run a sub from preout sub 2 it makes a rattling constant sound. So regardless of which sub I plug into preout sub 2 it does this. Also when I run both subs dual on preout 1 and 2 it does this sound from sub 2. I didn’t run room correction with audessey or anything else. What could be causing this? Thanks!
I live in a medium size apartment. I have a Atmos setup and i gonna run a splitter with Matching Polk Audio subs. Is that ok and will it be too much power for my neighbors above me?
Hi subwoofer 101 I’m running two pb2000 one located at the front left corner and the other on the rear right corner, I have my front sub at 0 phase should I have my rear sub at 180 phase?
I'm getting ready to run dual subs, unfortunately my first sub is not available anymore but the second sub was not available until SVS decided to make a short run of this older model for a nice price. The first is a PC12-NSD and the second is a PB12-NSD, which as know one is a cylinder and the other is a box. As far as I know the two are accoustically equal, so hopefully they will pair just as easy as if they were both the same model.
I got 4 of the same powered polk audio 10 inch woofers. It seemed to hit harder with just 2. I bought new wire. They are all ran the same in a row up front in between the right and left soeakers. They hit but it doesn't seem right I guess I need more time to mess with them.
4 are more complicated than 2. Timing issues, etc... I did a video on 2 vs 4, and I'd rather go with the hardest hitting duals vs less powerful quads. Check these out, especially the very first sub on the list. It's going on special again very soon, and would be a dramatic change: www.subwoofer101.com/best-subwoofers/
I saw in one of your comments on your website where you said the standing waves can be cancelled using the mains as large and bass management as LFE plus Mains on my AVR with having only one PB - 2000. I have done that and find myself enjoying the music and movie greatly. My question, is the standing waves really cancelled using LFE plus Main on single sub configuration. Am I not hearing something or should I be hearing something. Little confused. I have a pair of R-28F and my sub is PB 2000. I want to wait till I can afford a second PB 2000, don't want to pair a cheap sub to match SVS. Any response highly appreciated. Your videos and website is a great source of info. Cheers!!!
Subwoofers in different locations will "excite" different room modes. So when you use your mains as additional bass sources, they aren't "cancelling standing waves", they are just filling in the nulls that you get when you use one subwoofer.
I have dual subs in a weirdly shaped room. The subs are along the left and the right walls. One is about 10 ft away from the seating position and the other about 13ft away. The room correction software (audyssey) shows the sub woofer distance as 10ft. Wondering if that is a correct assesment. Am confused about what the distance should be when using dual subs
Which AVR are you using? And which subs? I'm guessing they aren't DSP controlled, otherwise they would be reading 2-3 feet farther away. You can try adding 4 feet to the post Audyssey subwoofer distance (14 feet instead of 10) and see if that helps. Also, if you don't keep a tight grouping, no more that 2 feet from the first measurement, that can affect your results too. I prefer subs to be on the front wall, but that's just a preference that I'm comfortable with, and I understand limitations.
Am using the marantz nr1509 with yamaha sw300 subs. Dont know if they are dsp controlled. Ill try your suggestion and see if that makes them sound better
I didn't like it, despite a better looking graph. Graph looked great but it was uncomfortable. I keep the phase the same and just vary the distance, as explained in my Distance Hack video.
Hi I Have problem to put my dual pb2000 in the front, the Only way in front for me is to put theme like you inside the front speakers. But the problem is that il get a "BIG" dip around 50hz so i have to put one of my subbs behind my couch so i have one subb in the left back corner of the room and the other inside of the right frontspeaker. And then il get a more flat Curve so probloby must have theme that way.. But how do you think i should dial them in so they play at the same volume and il get them in the same distance. I have also checkt whit a spl meter so they have the same volume (db) but howe about distance..? Can i use the phase knob back on the subwoofer and use the spl meter and play a 80hz or 90hz test ton frome the reciver to dial in the phase (distance) or do you have any other sugestions..? Hope you now what i mean..:-)
I usually just add 4 feet to the distance that room correction sets it at. Are you for sure getting cancellation at 50 hertz? What is your crossover set at? I would avoid the phase knob if you can.
I have a subwoofer that does not have a volume control. I thought it will be easier to blend in another subwoofer if I have volume/gain control on it not the AVR volume control.
Thanks for the reply as always. I hope I found the solution to my problem. I was advised to buy a passive volume controller and some cables so I can hook it up between my AVR and subwoofer that don't have a volume control. I decided to go this route for now until I can afford to buy another SVS PB-1000. So what do you think? Will this work? Thanks.
It really depends on what the subwoofer is. It may not be worth the trouble, and the AVR control might achieve the same thing. Which subwoofer and which AVR are you running?
I have the Yamaha (AVR) and Kef HTB2-Se. It a 10" sealed sub with a 250 watt RMS. Anyway, I bought the control and cables that cost me $45 which I think worth the trouble to play with it. I know you mentioned on your other videos about running into problems mixing and blending two different subwoofers. I know SVS PB-1000 is superior than my old sub. So I'm not expecting to perfectly match their output but at least close enough.
Im curious why you have such an extreme amount of toein on ur mains? whenever ive run like that it collapses the stereo center imageing and soundstage...almost strait with no toe in would expand ur movie experience greatly... but to each his own.
Been doing it at the suggestion of viewers for quite some time. Some manufacturers actually recommend extreme toe in, right speaker pointing to the furthest left seat, left speaker pointing to the furthest right seat. I'll play with it, now that you mention it.
Hey! I've followed you for a while now and I really like your videos. they are always highly informative and I've learned a lot from watching them. just got myself new fronts and the centre is on its way, all from Dali. now I just have to save up for dual 10's from svs and things should start to liven up. I'm a bit short on space and the wife factor comes into play, would you recommend the cylindrical ones over the closed 1000's? it will be a huge step up from my current sub from Canton regardless as my new fronts makes it obsolete. The room they are going in is open on one side so I figure i must have two to even stand a chance of even distribution across all listeningpositions. any recommendations? keep up the good work and say hi to the dogs from me! cheers
Hey man. Glad to see you have broached this topic; especially after confirming the details with Ed Mullen. I thoroughly agree that dual subs is the way to go and your points for getting them setup correct seem spot on to me. And I think explaining why dual subs may not work optimally for a few, especially for those limited in placement due to space or aesthetic reasons is really helpful. Glad to see the channel continue to grow and do well. Appreciate your time and effort that you take for this. Living with a condition myself that can make "life" difficult I can sympathise a little with your situation but I hope you continue to have "good" days so that you can keep enjoying your hobby / family and friends.
I had to imagine a lot of the problems rather than speak from experience, so I felt a lot better having Ed check my notes. I've always been surprised when people have issues, but my setup has always been uncomplicated. Running the different driver sizes really brought it to the forefront. I appreciate the acknowledgement, Fibromyalgia is a bigger issue than I let on, but doing this channel is fun so long as I keep it simple, and enjoying home theater is almost always in the cards. I use Low Level Laser Therapy, and it helps a LOT with the pain levels. It doesn't fix the fatigue and the rest of it, but the pain reduction has been truly epic. Ever heard of it? I've seen it do some truly amazing things just by letting friends and family use my laser.
+Taylor Vancoillie Great question! In the end, the best reason for going dual subs is the effect it has on the standing waves within the room. With a single subwoofer, you will have loud spots and dead spots throughout the room, and that will shift within the room as the frequency changes. Dual subwoofers interlace that wave so that the bass is more even throughout the room. If you measure the subs independently, you'll be inadvertently measuring the flaw you're meaning to correct. Some people have even reported having better results by running a splitter on just 1 subwoofer output for 2 subs. I can understand why it might be better, because I do run dual outputs (each sub on its own output instead of a splitter) but I set the distance to the same number. My theory is that the more identical the bass is, the better. That's why I prefer running perfectly matched subs. Great question, I could see that tripping people up.
Thank you for this input. I had no answer to my own dual sub measurement. I did not knew what to expect when you measured the sub appart. And now i understand why. Thank you and Stay healthy😁💪
I got my Klipsch RP setup corrected with Dirac Live. 2 fronts, center and a 15" sub. So i bought another and same 15" sub to symetry the one another😁 My wife did almost kill me...but i made it..almost died😂😭 anyways.. With your input i know what to do. Im not sure what the Dirac graphics will tell me, im just trying to get a good ballance because, the space between the subs are just as the same as in this video. And what i do know for sure is that it does make a big difference, at least what i have seen what it did to my setup with Dirac. Also will use a splitter for the 2 subs. My NAD T758 V3 has only 1 pre out for the sub. What do you think about sub to sub and the outcome after measuring with Dirac? Or is splitter simply better ..any advise?
i agree with comment below...on opposite side of room, usually opposite phase settings ..THOUGH, i run 2 up front on same wall, similiar layout to what is in the video, but if run IN phase, they cancell each other and i have to run one in phase and the other 180 degrees out of phase for the bass to be multiplied....now these are Not identical subs, different manufacturers , but they Are forward firing and both ported...one is ported on the front and the other is ported on the back...That may be why the opposite phasing is needed in my situation...ur ears or a db meter will confirm ur phase settings
when u get ur other svs pb 16.. everything should be good... I think u should use the svs prime bookshelf speakers... the tower looks to crowded in front.... BUT AWESOME SETUP 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
+Mario Duncan If you have the gear to run XLR it's worth trying. I don't have XLR outputs, so I couldn't tell you what difference it makes, but a lot of people swear by them. As I understand it, they increase the signal. If you try it out, let me know what you think.
XLR uses a balanced signal to reduce noise for long cable runs. If you have short cable runs the benefit of an XLR is very small, but if your equipment already supports them you may as well use them over unbalanced RCA.
Not worth using, usually for microphones long run sensitivity. sub cables sensitivity aren't as vital, I would say either, I didn't use XLR on my mixer for the subs, but I did for the KRK monitors and It made no difference
Not 100% optimal, but if they have the same guts it's not so bad. Mismatched duals sound better than a single, but oddly the sound takes on the characteristics of the weaker sub. Matched is ideal.
of course you can...but you will need to set the phase adjustments properly so that they dont cancell each other.... down firing subs may require a different phase setting if you are trying to match it to a forward firing sub
You'd need an amplifier to connect it. I have only done that with a really low budget setup, but I believe you would run the subwoofer output to an appropriate amplifier and then to the drivers. The one I used had the sub amp in the AVR. Long ago!! I'm not totally up on how to set up passive subs, so maybe others can chime in with advice. I have a pretty knowledgeable audience. It depends on what you're starting with too, there are plenty of variables.
+Voodoo No, that's kind of the inspiration for the video. The subwoofer on the left is my 15" VTF-15 mk1 from HSU. While not a perfect match for the PB-16, it gave me less trouble than the PB-2000 with a 12" driver. I just hooked up the second PB-16 last night, and my preference for identical subwoofers has been reinforced. Not to say anything bad about the VTF-15, but having a united front is cleaner and more coherent.
If you use DSPeaker's AntiMode SII then you can EQ both subs, you just use the 180 deg port for the 2nd, invert phase on the sub itself, then it EQs both and is summed as mono. As for dual subs in a small room {mine being just 11ft x 10 x 7.5}, I don't think it adds much, as it's too small a space for so much energy, 1 is just fine in my experience. Now I've got a spare PC2000 gathering dust!... such a waste. Haha.
+Paul Mckenzie Output wise, 1 is definitely plenty. In terms of the overall sound quality, I couldn't disagree more. I've found that having the subs equidistant and in phase does just fine with just basic room correction. I have a Mini DSP 2x4, and I know it refines the sound, but I haven't been that motivated to get it set up again. It will clean up the response, but the response isn't that bad to begin with, and you do need to compensate for the added delay. I hook up the 2x4 with no changes, and run room correction on the AVR to ensure the distance/delay is accounted for before making changes. I would keep the phase dial set to zero on both, phase is better handled through distance/delay settings. One time I tried varying the phase of one sub using the dial, and I got a better looking graph, but the sound was just off. If I recall correctly, Ed Mullen told me that the phase dial is a little imperfect, but at the moment I can't recall what he said it does, but if you've got antimode, taking the phase dial out of the equation shouldn't be limiting in any way. Just using the distance settings on the AVR is plenty effective. You may be having an issue from being a little overcomplicated, I've been there. If you don't notice an improvement over single, I'd have to believe something is wrong somewhere. It's night and day to me, and I've gone back to a single a few times, and find a single to be distractingly incorrect. You might try setting both subs to zero phase, delete antimode or keep it as pass through, and just run room correction. Then try adding 4 feet to the subwoofer distance on each sub on the AVR. Seems to be a reliable formula for me, but check to see how much distance gives the best graph with REW or similar. You should be really happy with the addition of a second sub, so something is probably up. Both are PC-2000?
I do agree it improves sound quality, it's just my room's too small for all that power. Until the other day I've had B&W CM10 S2's hooked up {had them for about a year, and before that were 683 S2's, and before that Cambridge Aero 2 - now used as Surrounds... and before that, CA Minx 21 satellites}, not really realising the bigger the speaker, better the sound. While that's true, you'd need a room atleast double to size of mine to give them space to breath, and I was using the CM10's with dual subs too, while wanting to XO no less than 60hz. While obviously you can, as I say, it's just too overpowering, even for me! So now I'm back to using 686 S2's, along with just the 1 sub, and even then the 686's only need a 60hz, or even 40hz XO for a seamless blend. I also auditioned the CM6 S2's yesterday, and they're a great fit too. Basically anything other than Standmounts are a waste in here. I haven't tried the dual PC2000's with the 686's yet, so now I've downsized it may prove to be excellent with duals once again. But due to space limitations, 1 sub's in the front right corner, the 2nd the back left, about 2ft from me, so any attention it draws to itself would be too distracting. As far as AntiMode goes, once you run the EQ you then run YPAO on the AVR, and the extra delay is added automatically. Or even if not they say when you're dealing with such low frequencies anyway you wouldn't likely notice anyway. ...Back to the current setup, from where I sit I don't have any nulls around me anyway. I'd have to run some sweeps to see where they are, but the sound's excellent as it is now. Back to the AVR & AntiMode side of things, dual mono is summed into 1 sub on the AVR, so I only have the option of adjusting 1 sub, which is actually feeding its signal to 2.
Also, you say you found it fine using the AVR's sub EQ? The fact your room looks to be double the size of mine {hell, you've enough to accomodate Floorstanders AND dual PB16U's}, so you'll have an easier time due to that alone. At one time I actually had dual SB13U's in this same room. That's beyond overkill. Did learned something from that, though... ported are SO much better, and not just for movies, excellent for whatever music you throw at 'em too!
Something you might try, once you have duals again, is running your crossover higher, like 90+ hertz (even if temporarily) just to set the bass level. I run 32 hertz towers at 90 hertz, just because I want more going to the subs, but I understand not everyone likes it that way. They towers get signal down to 32 hertz, just not as much, while the subs have a sharper cutoff above the crossover. The reason I say increase the crossover is to get a bigger "picture" when you're getting the bass balanced (14-90 hertz effective, vs 14-60 hertz effective, almost doubling the subwoofer's effective frequency range), making it easier to balance the bass in my opinion. Once it's dialed in at 90 hertz, it should still be pretty good at 60 hertz. When trying to integrate at a lower crossover, it can be easier to miss the target and overdo it. I can get the PB16 Ultra's to act like 200 watt subwoofers by reducing the gain way down, which would be a waste no doubt, but I could pack them into a small room and get them to sound right, I'd just be taking down the gain on the sub and increasing the gain on the AVR subwoofer trim (which I wouldn't do normally in my room). Wasteful for such powerful amps, but functional. I just did a video on adjusting the gain for better dynamics, but for a smaller room, you may need to go the other way if you are getting too much in the way of dynamics, which could be the case. Essentially, the lower you adjust the gain on the sub (and higher on the AVR subwoofer tirm to compensate), the more it will act like a smaller wattage sub. So you can get a PC-2000 to act more like a PB-1000 (in terms of dynamics, not depth) by running the gain on the subwoofer lower and the AVR subwoofer trim higher. If you run the subwoofer gain higher and the AVR subwoofer trim lower, you can get a PB-1000 to act more like a PB-2000. That said, just using the higher crossover to set the bass balance may negate the need to cut any dynamics by reducing the subwoofer gain. You'll just have to play with it, every room and ear is different. So long as both subs are giving you the same db with pink noise, it's shouldn't draw too much attention to itself, but you can run it a touch lower if it does. I have to do the same thing with one of my surrounds for the same reason.
I do find ported subs more comfortable to listen to. I can listen all day, even with these monsters doing work. Tried them in sealed mode and I felt the fatigue set in. Did you notice something similar?
Haha! You haven’t had many problems because you bought those monsters. Lol Using a smaller dual setup is harder to setup because of room size, shape, etc. My room is very large and I’m using two PB 1000’s. I’ve had to move them around to find the right spot, and now they sound great. If I bought even the 3000’s, they would certainly punch out dead spots. It still wouldn’t be perfect, but more forgiving.
The power of the sub doesn't have much impact on the even sound, try my Distance Hack. Should be even throughout the room, but some areas can still suffer, like near walls and if you are to the side of the subs, best to be "down stream" from the subs. BTW, the Labor Day outlet sale is happening now: sub101.link/LaborDay2019 About 1/3 of the stock is gone in the first 6-7 hours. They are going quick!
The Outlet sale is happening now, check out my most recent video. Definitely go dual. There are a few PB-2000's at SB-2000 prices, but they will likely be gone today or tomorrow: sub101.link/LaborDay2019 1/3 of the stock gone in the first 6 hours.
I paid for the HSU VTF-15 back before I started the channel, but the SVS products have been provided on a demo basis (on loan) so far, and I send them back when I'm done with them. I try to put that in the description for every video I publish.
having both at the front us a bug no no ...you won't get rid of many bass free zones ... frequency dips ...one in front one at the back ....thick even bass across the whole seating area
+Subwoofer 101 you can't get rid of bass nodes with both up front ..no matter what software you use ..sound waves are sound waves ....or as they call it ..Swiss cheese bass
"As they call it?" As far as I know, I coined the term, but I could be wrong. I've searched for the term and only found it in my own content: ruclips.net/video/865RhwRLUM0/видео.html As far as not being able to reduce the standing wave effect with subs up front, lets agree to disagree. There are certainly some placements that are better than others, but one of the benefits of duals is more freedom in placement. You can get cancellations with the front speakers, but adjusting the distance helps that a lot. I shot the video linked above (Swiss Cheese Bass) as a result of reducing the standing wave effect, with the subs up front. I don't know where you heard that subs up front is wrong, but it does the job.
@@Subwoofer101 Not only the distance between speakers is tragedy here, tragedy is 2 different types of subs , if you go with stereo subs they must be the same, identical, you have here farquency problems, cone and box of subs are different and they make different sound, they have different switch inside, different overcross. This is total disaster.... I have Studio monitors M-audio BX8A Deluxe and 2 Subs m-audio SBX10 overcrossed monitors to 60 hz so my monitors dont go anymore to 35 hz, my sound keeps clean and perfect in every way. Distance between speakers is 4 meters and im distanced 4 meters from them, perfect triangle distance. And yeah i dont keep my subs on the floor, i have them on the Komode high 50 cm from the ground and on the top of them are monitors, its like i have 3-way speakers. That is the whole point with the subs that are identical to get 3 way speakers with your 2 way monitors or whatever.
+Wayne Davis It may seem rediculous, but my health really limits what I can do. I only recently started adding thumbnails after finding a program that made the process super simple, and I don't typically edit. Getting in front of the camera adds another level of stress and preparation that would be too much for me. That I have gone as long as I have with this channel is a personal win for me. Having fun with the subject matter helps. This channel is essentially a podcast in video. I would much rather produce an excellent, well edited and written channel, but this is the best I've been able to sustain so far, and I still miss weeks from time to time. I acknowledge that the content is dry, and simply adding a little b-roll would be a nice change of pace. Editing would be my next attempt to improve my content. I know my viewers deserve better, but this is what is sustainable for me at this point. If they find a cure for fibromyalgia things might change, but I have no expectations for that. I'm grateful for my viewers and subscribers, and would do more if I could.
I think content trumps style in this type of video, flashy editing and shots won't really add much unless it was an install video. I put these on while I work and just listen sometimes. This channel is good stuff, please keep it up. I've learned so much. I direct and edit video for a living. If you have any questions shoot me a message, I'll try to help best I can.
@ Wayne Davis: I completely agree that this dude is soo stinking boring. No wonder everytime he uploads a video his dogs are both sleeping. Monotone voice and very drab. He actually improved abit because at 10:33 we saw a hairy hand. Nice change of pace.
My only critique generally speaking is don't be so afraid of offending someone! Your info is great. Don't need to remind us it's not an absolute truth when you offer advice. We got ya bro! You offer great information. Keep it up!!
+Cole bond I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offended you...
Lol, just kidding! I hear you, I just try not to speak in absolute terms, in this hobby it can draw pretty severe criticism when you do.
I've been wrong before and I know I make mistakes, so I try to give my perspective as a layperson rather than taking the position of an expert. I'm always learning and just enjoy sharing my journey.
I appreciate your support!!
Running duel Rel 812's sounds amazing especially at low listening levels. Its hard to explain but I live in a tri plex and my neighbors have never complained in two years. The bass is all there and doesn't need to be loud to bring your system to another level.
Your dogs seem VERY happy with your setup.
15" subs are crazy. I find a 10" to be my favorite, matching dual as well. Without those room gadgets I find placement is key. Acoustic subs are nice but rare for me, had a JL audio in my car that was great. Lining them up is key, either together or out to the walls, whatever sounds best. sometimes I raise mine, and keep the front facing ports under the speaker. If you don't want to buy new subs Use your old amp and some old towers or something and hook it all up to the subwoofer out on your main amp and it's already crossover'ed.
3x 10in Jensens vertically stacked in place of what would otherwise be a center channel. one tower each side. power balance between mains and subs is within 50W. sounds sublime thanks for your help dude!
Running dual subs can also "fill in the blanks" so to speak! It can be quite "fulfilling".
Working on a budget system as we speak with fairly nice results. Thanks for your guidance!
forget dual sub setup, dual dog is the way forward :)
I just got the second Klipsch R 12SW ... and added it to the system( Yamaha TSR-700/ RX-V6A) ( it has 2 subs pre-out) and run the calibration ... I hear them both playing ...but the system still shows 5.1.2 instead of 5.2.2 ! What should I do to see it displaying 2 subwoofers?
The reciever doesnt have two sub channels. only two subwoofer outputs. theyll both have the same exact output. people have 7.1.4 setups but have 8 subwoofers
What about having your subs facing the front wall, on each side of the couch. Should they be in phase? Or 180?
If I'm running 2 subs in line to speakers should they be in line to my big main speakers or to my smaller secondary speakers?
My left sub stopped working after I moved to new place. It does not appear anymore even when testing. Each sub would test during testing but now only one works.
What could be the problem?
Hi! First of all - your videos are great! I have learned a lot from you and was able to set up my system (mainly bass management part) so that I really like the way it sounds. I am running 5.1 system with PB1000 (have selected it also thanks to your videos), the set of absolutely brilliant speakers - QAcoustics 3000 (with 3050 towers in the front) and the Marantz SR5009 AVR. I am planning to make it 5.2 some day, by adding the second PB1000. Easiest way to place the subs will be on the either side of the towers (will look very much like your front setup just the subs will be outside. Cannot place them inside, because the towers will be too exposed and the kids are running around..). With that the distance between the subs will be around 3 meters (10 feet approx). Is this sufficient to get good sounding bass?
The other concern is regarding room correction. This AVR has 2 outs for the subs. Will Audyssey "see" 2 separate subs, or will it see them as one? In one of your videos there was a screen from your Denon menu under bass level adjustment, I saw Subwoofer 1 and Subwoofer 2. So it seams that the AVR is able to see and calibrate 2 subs separately.
You might have covered this topic already, but I kinda missed some detailed set up of 2 subs. Maybe need to scroll through the videos again :)
Anyway, thanks again for the very helpful information and all the tips!
Cheers!
Hello Sir, any idea? I am running dual subwoofer (Front & Rear set up with both subwoofer model the same) , front and rear subwoofer does not turn on at the same time? While listening to music, only front sub will turn on automatically. Watching Blu-Ray movies and concert, both sub will be on automatically. Look forward hearing back from you..... Thanks
I have them in the back..what do you know about that method?
Hey subwoofer 101 dude. I’m having a UMIK1 coming in soon do you have tips on how to set up REW for 1st timer? I have 2 PB 2k pros and want to ensure they both blend with fronts paradigm monitor 9s.
I have Two Whalfdale Diamond SW150s on my setup of 7.2. From a Onkyo amp. It has Two sub outs on the back. I was told these are left and right sub channels. So I got a track that had deep sub bass, that runs from right to left and back again, on the Hi Fi. So I put It In the player, and sure Enough It did pan across the subs. So when watching Maverick, and the planes are flying left to right or the other way. The Bass tracks them and sounds much more natural than just one Sub In the system. Also If You can locate Your subs, then they are way two Loud.
Hey guys. I’m a newbie and building a 5.2.4 system. I’m running a Denon 4300 9.2 channel avr.
So at the moment I only have 2 front Kef 700s and also 2 subs the Kef 400b. When I’m running a sub from subwoofer preout 1 all sounds great. If I run a sub from preout sub 2 it makes a rattling constant sound. So regardless of which sub I plug into preout sub 2 it does this. Also when I run both subs dual on preout 1 and 2 it does this sound from sub 2.
I didn’t run room correction with audessey or anything else. What could be causing this? Thanks!
I live in a medium size apartment. I have a Atmos setup and i gonna run a splitter with Matching Polk Audio subs. Is that ok and will it be too much power for my neighbors above me?
I guess you’ll have to ask your neighbors! Lol
Hi subwoofer 101 I’m running two pb2000 one located at the front left corner and the other on the rear right corner, I have my front sub at 0 phase should I have my rear sub at 180 phase?
I’m running 4 10 inch subwoofer polks! Sounds amazing!
Haha Polk? No they don’t sound amazing
@@kratoslostson3427 Zactly
I love the dual dog’s ❤️
I'm getting ready to run dual subs, unfortunately my first sub is not available anymore but the second sub was not available until SVS decided to make a short run of this older model for a nice price. The first is a PC12-NSD and the second is a PB12-NSD, which as know one is a cylinder and the other is a box. As far as I know the two are accoustically equal, so hopefully they will pair just as easy as if they were both the same model.
+Arthur Schamne I think you will be good with that set-up. The subs are so close that it shouldn't be an issue.
Video and Audio is great. Good info.
Thanks!!
I got 4 of the same powered polk audio 10 inch woofers. It seemed to hit harder with just 2. I bought new wire. They are all ran the same in a row up front in between the right and left soeakers. They hit but it doesn't seem right I guess I need more time to mess with them.
4 are more complicated than 2. Timing issues, etc...
I did a video on 2 vs 4, and I'd rather go with the hardest hitting duals vs less powerful quads.
Check these out, especially the very first sub on the list. It's going on special again very soon, and would be a dramatic change:
www.subwoofer101.com/best-subwoofers/
@@Subwoofer101 thanks for the reply. I agree with you get what you pay for and that 2 hard hitting subs will be better than 4 ok hitting subs.
I saw in one of your comments on your website where you said the standing waves can be cancelled using the mains as large and bass management as LFE plus Mains on my AVR with having only one PB - 2000. I have done that and find myself enjoying the music and movie greatly. My question, is the standing waves really cancelled using LFE plus Main on single sub configuration. Am I not hearing something or should I be hearing something. Little confused. I have a pair of R-28F and my sub is PB 2000. I want to wait till I can afford a second PB 2000, don't want to pair a cheap sub to match SVS. Any response highly appreciated. Your videos and website is a great source of info. Cheers!!!
Subwoofers in different locations will "excite" different room modes. So when you use your mains as additional bass sources, they aren't "cancelling standing waves", they are just filling in the nulls that you get when you use one subwoofer.
I have dual subs in a weirdly shaped room. The subs are along the left and the right walls. One is about 10 ft away from the seating position and the other about 13ft away. The room correction software (audyssey) shows the sub woofer distance as 10ft. Wondering if that is a correct assesment. Am confused about what the distance should be when using dual subs
Which AVR are you using? And which subs? I'm guessing they aren't DSP controlled, otherwise they would be reading 2-3 feet farther away.
You can try adding 4 feet to the post Audyssey subwoofer distance (14 feet instead of 10) and see if that helps. Also, if you don't keep a tight grouping, no more that 2 feet from the first measurement, that can affect your results too.
I prefer subs to be on the front wall, but that's just a preference that I'm comfortable with, and I understand limitations.
Am using the marantz nr1509 with yamaha sw300 subs. Dont know if they are dsp controlled. Ill try your suggestion and see if that makes them sound better
Does placement in opposite corners work such as front right and back left
Never put them In the Corner, It Increases Bass.
🙈I didnt notice the dog till 4 minutes in!😄
There are 2 dogs...
Don't you mean dogs.....
I’ve seen some videos where it is recommended to have one sub out of phase when using two. Is this true?
I didn't like it, despite a better looking graph. Graph looked great but it was uncomfortable.
I keep the phase the same and just vary the distance, as explained in my Distance Hack video.
Subwoofer 101, thank you for responding.
Hi
I Have problem to put my dual pb2000 in the front, the Only way in front for me is to put theme like you inside the front speakers. But the problem is that il get a "BIG" dip around 50hz so i have to put one of my subbs behind my couch so i have one subb in the left back corner of the room and the other inside of the right frontspeaker. And then il get a more flat Curve so probloby must have theme that way..
But how do you think i should dial them in so they play at the same volume and il get them in the same distance. I have also checkt whit a spl meter so they have the same volume (db) but howe about distance..? Can i use the phase knob back on the subwoofer and use the spl meter and play a 80hz or 90hz test ton frome the reciver to dial in the phase (distance) or do you have any other sugestions..?
Hope you now what i mean..:-)
I usually just add 4 feet to the distance that room correction sets it at. Are you for sure getting cancellation at 50 hertz? What is your crossover set at? I would avoid the phase knob if you can.
Subwoofer 101
I set my cross over to 90hz
But if i set one of the subbs behind the coush cross the room that dissaperes.
Trust your ears. You may have some wonky reaction to your room. If it sounds better behind the couch, it's probably not wrong.
What do you think is a good solution on how to control subwoofer without a volume control?
What's the situation? What kind of subwoofer in what kind of setup?
I have a subwoofer that does not have a volume control. I thought it will be easier to blend in another subwoofer if I have volume/gain control on it not the AVR volume control.
Thanks for the reply as always. I hope I found the solution to my problem. I was advised to buy a passive volume controller and some cables so I can hook it up between my AVR and subwoofer that don't have a volume control. I decided to go this route for now until I can afford to buy another SVS PB-1000. So what do you think? Will this work? Thanks.
It really depends on what the subwoofer is. It may not be worth the trouble, and the AVR control might achieve the same thing. Which subwoofer and which AVR are you running?
I have the Yamaha (AVR) and Kef HTB2-Se. It a 10" sealed sub with a 250 watt RMS. Anyway, I bought the control and cables that cost me $45 which I think worth the trouble to play with it. I know you mentioned on your other videos about running into problems mixing and blending two different subwoofers. I know SVS PB-1000 is superior than my old sub. So I'm not expecting to perfectly match their output but at least close enough.
Im curious why you have such an extreme amount of toein on ur mains? whenever ive run like that it collapses the stereo center imageing and soundstage...almost strait with no toe in would expand ur movie experience greatly... but to each his own.
Been doing it at the suggestion of viewers for quite some time. Some manufacturers actually recommend extreme toe in, right speaker pointing to the furthest left seat, left speaker pointing to the furthest right seat. I'll play with it, now that you mention it.
Hey! I've followed you for a while now and I really like your videos. they are always highly informative and I've learned a lot from watching them.
just got myself new fronts and the centre is on its way, all from Dali.
now I just have to save up for dual 10's from svs and things should start to liven up.
I'm a bit short on space and the wife factor comes into play, would you recommend the cylindrical ones over the closed 1000's?
it will be a huge step up from my current sub from Canton regardless as my new fronts makes it obsolete.
The room they are going in is open on one side so I figure i must have two to even stand a chance of even distribution across all listeningpositions.
any recommendations?
keep up the good work and say hi to the dogs from me! cheers
How can i daisy chain my two subwoofers if both of my subwoofers dont have an output?please help
I got you: ruclips.net/video/R75zx5NXleg/видео.html
Hey man. Glad to see you have broached this topic; especially after confirming the details with Ed Mullen. I thoroughly agree that dual subs is the way to go and your points for getting them setup correct seem spot on to me.
And I think explaining why dual subs may not work optimally for a few, especially for those limited in placement due to space or aesthetic reasons is really helpful.
Glad to see the channel continue to grow and do well. Appreciate your time and effort that you take for this. Living with a condition myself that can make "life" difficult I can sympathise a little with your situation but I hope you continue to have "good" days so that you can keep enjoying your hobby / family and friends.
I had to imagine a lot of the problems rather than speak from experience, so I felt a lot better having Ed check my notes. I've always been surprised when people have issues, but my setup has always been uncomplicated. Running the different driver sizes really brought it to the forefront.
I appreciate the acknowledgement, Fibromyalgia is a bigger issue than I let on, but doing this channel is fun so long as I keep it simple, and enjoying home theater is almost always in the cards. I use Low Level Laser Therapy, and it helps a LOT with the pain levels. It doesn't fix the fatigue and the rest of it, but the pain reduction has been truly epic. Ever heard of it? I've seen it do some truly amazing things just by letting friends and family use my laser.
Do you really have to measure you subs at the same time? If so why? When you measure speakers you do them separately.
+Taylor Vancoillie Great question! In the end, the best reason for going dual subs is the effect it has on the standing waves within the room.
With a single subwoofer, you will have loud spots and dead spots throughout the room, and that will shift within the room as the frequency changes.
Dual subwoofers interlace that wave so that the bass is more even throughout the room. If you measure the subs independently, you'll be inadvertently measuring the flaw you're meaning to correct.
Some people have even reported having better results by running a splitter on just 1 subwoofer output for 2 subs. I can understand why it might be better, because I do run dual outputs (each sub on its own output instead of a splitter) but I set the distance to the same number. My theory is that the more identical the bass is, the better.
That's why I prefer running perfectly matched subs. Great question, I could see that tripping people up.
Thank you for this input.
I had no answer to my own dual sub measurement.
I did not knew what to expect when you measured the sub appart.
And now i understand why.
Thank you and Stay healthy😁💪
I got my Klipsch RP setup corrected with Dirac Live.
2 fronts, center and a 15" sub.
So i bought another and same 15" sub to symetry the one another😁
My wife did almost kill me...but i made it..almost died😂😭 anyways..
With your input i know what to do.
Im not sure what the Dirac graphics will tell me, im just trying to get a good ballance because, the space between the subs are just as the same as in this video.
And what i do know for sure is that it does make a big difference, at least what i have seen what it did to my setup with Dirac.
Also will use a splitter for the 2 subs.
My NAD T758 V3 has only 1 pre out for the sub.
What do you think about sub to sub and the outcome after measuring with Dirac?
Or is splitter simply better ..any advise?
isn't that a bit overkill for such a small room?
Does each subwoofer need to be set to opposite phases of each other?
only if one is in front of you and the other behind
i agree with comment below...on opposite side of room, usually opposite phase settings ..THOUGH, i run 2 up front on same wall, similiar layout to what is in the video, but if run IN phase, they cancell each other and i have to run one in phase and the other 180 degrees out of phase for the bass to be multiplied....now these are Not identical subs, different manufacturers , but they Are forward firing and both ported...one is ported on the front and the other is ported on the back...That may be why the opposite phasing is needed in my situation...ur ears or a db meter will confirm ur phase settings
when u get ur other svs pb 16.. everything should be good... I think u should use the svs prime bookshelf speakers... the tower looks to crowded in front.... BUT AWESOME SETUP 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Question iif you have a sub that has xlr should you use that over rca cable
+Mario Duncan If you have the gear to run XLR it's worth trying. I don't have XLR outputs, so I couldn't tell you what difference it makes, but a lot of people swear by them. As I understand it, they increase the signal. If you try it out, let me know what you think.
XLR uses a balanced signal to reduce noise for long cable runs. If you have short cable runs the benefit of an XLR is very small, but if your equipment already supports them you may as well use them over unbalanced RCA.
Not worth using, usually for microphones long run sensitivity. sub cables sensitivity aren't as vital, I would say either, I didn't use XLR on my mixer for the subs, but I did for the KRK monitors and It made no difference
can I use one down firing sub & normal sub in dual woofer set up???
Not 100% optimal, but if they have the same guts it's not so bad. Mismatched duals sound better than a single, but oddly the sound takes on the characteristics of the weaker sub. Matched is ideal.
of course you can...but you will need to set the phase adjustments properly so that they dont cancell each other.... down firing subs may require a different phase setting if you are trying to match it to a forward firing sub
that hsu is amazing
Good audio and video by the way!👍🏼
Is it posible to duel subs with JBL 9.1?
No,the '.1' refers to number of subs ..in your case only 1 sub is supported
How do I connect dual passive subs to home theater?
You'd need an amplifier to connect it. I have only done that with a really low budget setup, but I believe you would run the subwoofer output to an appropriate amplifier and then to the drivers. The one I used had the sub amp in the AVR. Long ago!! I'm not totally up on how to set up passive subs, so maybe others can chime in with advice. I have a pretty knowledgeable audience. It depends on what you're starting with too, there are plenty of variables.
are those matching pb16?
Voodoo hey, as he mentioned in the video, they are not. right is pb16 ultra, left is a 15 inch different brand.
+Voodoo No, that's kind of the inspiration for the video. The subwoofer on the left is my 15" VTF-15 mk1 from HSU. While not a perfect match for the PB-16, it gave me less trouble than the PB-2000 with a 12" driver. I just hooked up the second PB-16 last night, and my preference for identical subwoofers has been reinforced. Not to say anything bad about the VTF-15, but having a united front is cleaner and more coherent.
If you use DSPeaker's AntiMode SII then you can EQ both subs, you just use the 180 deg port for the 2nd, invert phase on the sub itself, then it EQs both and is summed as mono.
As for dual subs in a small room {mine being just 11ft x 10 x 7.5}, I don't think it adds much, as it's too small a space for so much energy, 1 is just fine in my experience.
Now I've got a spare PC2000 gathering dust!... such a waste. Haha.
+Paul Mckenzie Output wise, 1 is definitely plenty. In terms of the overall sound quality, I couldn't disagree more. I've found that having the subs equidistant and in phase does just fine with just basic room correction.
I have a Mini DSP 2x4, and I know it refines the sound, but I haven't been that motivated to get it set up again. It will clean up the response, but the response isn't that bad to begin with, and you do need to compensate for the added delay. I hook up the 2x4 with no changes, and run room correction on the AVR to ensure the distance/delay is accounted for before making changes.
I would keep the phase dial set to zero on both, phase is better handled through distance/delay settings. One time I tried varying the phase of one sub using the dial, and I got a better looking graph, but the sound was just off.
If I recall correctly, Ed Mullen told me that the phase dial is a little imperfect, but at the moment I can't recall what he said it does, but if you've got antimode, taking the phase dial out of the equation shouldn't be limiting in any way. Just using the distance settings on the AVR is plenty effective.
You may be having an issue from being a little overcomplicated, I've been there. If you don't notice an improvement over single, I'd have to believe something is wrong somewhere. It's night and day to me, and I've gone back to a single a few times, and find a single to be distractingly incorrect.
You might try setting both subs to zero phase, delete antimode or keep it as pass through, and just run room correction. Then try adding 4 feet to the subwoofer distance on each sub on the AVR. Seems to be a reliable formula for me, but check to see how much distance gives the best graph with REW or similar.
You should be really happy with the addition of a second sub, so something is probably up. Both are PC-2000?
I do agree it improves sound quality, it's just my room's too small for all that power.
Until the other day I've had B&W CM10 S2's hooked up {had them for about a year, and before that were 683 S2's, and before that Cambridge Aero 2 - now used as Surrounds... and before that, CA Minx 21 satellites}, not really realising the bigger the speaker, better the sound. While that's true, you'd need a room atleast double to size of mine to give them space to breath, and I was using the CM10's with dual subs too, while wanting to XO no less than 60hz.
While obviously you can, as I say, it's just too overpowering, even for me!
So now I'm back to using 686 S2's, along with just the 1 sub, and even then the 686's only need a 60hz, or even 40hz XO for a seamless blend.
I also auditioned the CM6 S2's yesterday, and they're a great fit too. Basically anything other than Standmounts are a waste in here.
I haven't tried the dual PC2000's with the 686's yet, so now I've downsized it may prove to be excellent with duals once again. But due to space limitations, 1 sub's in the front right corner, the 2nd the back left, about 2ft from me, so any attention it draws to itself would be too distracting.
As far as AntiMode goes, once you run the EQ you then run YPAO on the AVR, and the extra delay is added automatically. Or even if not they say when you're dealing with such low frequencies anyway you wouldn't likely notice anyway.
...Back to the current setup, from where I sit I don't have any nulls around me anyway. I'd have to run some sweeps to see where they are, but the sound's excellent as it is now.
Back to the AVR & AntiMode side of things, dual mono is summed into 1 sub on the AVR, so I only have the option of adjusting 1 sub, which is actually feeding its signal to 2.
Also, you say you found it fine using the AVR's sub EQ? The fact your room looks to be double the size of mine {hell, you've enough to accomodate Floorstanders AND dual PB16U's}, so you'll have an easier time due to that alone.
At one time I actually had dual SB13U's in this same room. That's beyond overkill.
Did learned something from that, though... ported are SO much better, and not just for movies, excellent for whatever music you throw at 'em too!
Something you might try, once you have duals again, is running your crossover higher, like 90+ hertz (even if temporarily) just to set the bass level. I run 32 hertz towers at 90 hertz, just because I want more going to the subs, but I understand not everyone likes it that way. They towers get signal down to 32 hertz, just not as much, while the subs have a sharper cutoff above the crossover.
The reason I say increase the crossover is to get a bigger "picture" when you're getting the bass balanced (14-90 hertz effective, vs 14-60 hertz effective, almost doubling the subwoofer's effective frequency range), making it easier to balance the bass in my opinion. Once it's dialed in at 90 hertz, it should still be pretty good at 60 hertz. When trying to integrate at a lower crossover, it can be easier to miss the target and overdo it.
I can get the PB16 Ultra's to act like 200 watt subwoofers by reducing the gain way down, which would be a waste no doubt, but I could pack them into a small room and get them to sound right, I'd just be taking down the gain on the sub and increasing the gain on the AVR subwoofer trim (which I wouldn't do normally in my room). Wasteful for such powerful amps, but functional.
I just did a video on adjusting the gain for better dynamics, but for a smaller room, you may need to go the other way if you are getting too much in the way of dynamics, which could be the case. Essentially, the lower you adjust the gain on the sub (and higher on the AVR subwoofer tirm to compensate), the more it will act like a smaller wattage sub.
So you can get a PC-2000 to act more like a PB-1000 (in terms of dynamics, not depth) by running the gain on the subwoofer lower and the AVR subwoofer trim higher. If you run the subwoofer gain higher and the AVR subwoofer trim lower, you can get a PB-1000 to act more like a PB-2000.
That said, just using the higher crossover to set the bass balance may negate the need to cut any dynamics by reducing the subwoofer gain. You'll just have to play with it, every room and ear is different.
So long as both subs are giving you the same db with pink noise, it's shouldn't draw too much attention to itself, but you can run it a touch lower if it does. I have to do the same thing with one of my surrounds for the same reason.
I do find ported subs more comfortable to listen to. I can listen all day, even with these monsters doing work. Tried them in sealed mode and I felt the fatigue set in. Did you notice something similar?
Haha! You haven’t had many problems because you bought those monsters. Lol
Using a smaller dual setup is harder to setup because of room size, shape, etc.
My room is very large and I’m using two PB 1000’s. I’ve had to move them around to find the right spot, and now they sound great. If I bought even the 3000’s, they would certainly punch out dead spots. It still wouldn’t be perfect, but more forgiving.
The power of the sub doesn't have much impact on the even sound, try my Distance Hack. Should be even throughout the room, but some areas can still suffer, like near walls and if you are to the side of the subs, best to be "down stream" from the subs.
BTW, the Labor Day outlet sale is happening now: sub101.link/LaborDay2019
About 1/3 of the stock is gone in the first 6-7 hours. They are going quick!
Subwoofer 101 I can agree with that, but I just that if I had larger ones the fine tuning might be more forgiving.
Dual PB 1000s or dual SB 2000s?
The Outlet sale is happening now, check out my most recent video. Definitely go dual. There are a few PB-2000's at SB-2000 prices, but they will likely be gone today or tomorrow: sub101.link/LaborDay2019
1/3 of the stock gone in the first 6 hours.
can I ask, are you paying for these subs?
I paid for the HSU VTF-15 back before I started the channel, but the SVS products have been provided on a demo basis (on loan) so far, and I send them back when I'm done with them. I try to put that in the description for every video I publish.
Ahh yep no problem mate :)
Your two subwoofers are so close together it's essentially one big subwoofer you're not getting the true dual subwoofer benefits.
I was wondering about this. These subs seem too big for this room.
having both at the front us a bug no no ...you won't get rid of many bass free zones ... frequency dips ...one in front one at the back ....thick even bass across the whole seating area
I use my "distance hack" and get great response overall, which I've measured. Duals are more flexible.
+Subwoofer 101 you can't get rid of bass nodes with both up front ..no matter what software you use ..sound waves are sound waves ....or as they call it ..Swiss cheese bass
"As they call it?" As far as I know, I coined the term, but I could be wrong. I've searched for the term and only found it in my own content: ruclips.net/video/865RhwRLUM0/видео.html
As far as not being able to reduce the standing wave effect with subs up front, lets agree to disagree. There are certainly some placements that are better than others, but one of the benefits of duals is more freedom in placement.
You can get cancellations with the front speakers, but adjusting the distance helps that a lot. I shot the video linked above (Swiss Cheese Bass) as a result of reducing the standing wave effect, with the subs up front. I don't know where you heard that subs up front is wrong, but it does the job.
The white dog rug kinda creeps me out.
That space looks way too small for dual subs that size.
So the WIFE decided where everything is ALLOWED to be. Not, Where it should be?
Worst scenario of speaker setup is this....
they are so close to each other that its tragedy...
I'm within the 25-30 degree spread from my main listening position.
@@Subwoofer101 Not only the distance between speakers is tragedy here, tragedy is 2 different types of subs , if you go with stereo subs they must be the same, identical, you have here farquency problems, cone and box of subs are different and they make different sound, they have different switch inside, different overcross.
This is total disaster....
I have Studio monitors M-audio BX8A Deluxe and 2 Subs m-audio SBX10 overcrossed monitors to 60 hz so my monitors dont go anymore to 35 hz, my sound keeps clean and perfect in every way.
Distance between speakers is 4 meters and im distanced 4 meters from them, perfect triangle distance.
And yeah i dont keep my subs on the floor, i have them on the Komode high 50 cm from the ground and on the top of them are monitors, its like i have 3-way speakers.
That is the whole point with the subs that are identical to get 3 way speakers with your 2 way monitors or whatever.
Don't let your subs lay on the floor. Get them off the floor a coupe of inches.
I bought a pair of these Cone shaped feet. to put on the bottom of mine. With Minimal contact with the floor, Improves bass sound.
Never understood why people spend all this money on speakers for a home theater, but have a small TV....
Your subs are bigger than you front speakers
Man the videos are boring just staring at your dogs and TV! get more involved and speak to us from the front! But information provide is great.
+Wayne Davis It may seem rediculous, but my health really limits what I can do. I only recently started adding thumbnails after finding a program that made the process super simple, and I don't typically edit. Getting in front of the camera adds another level of stress and preparation that would be too much for me. That I have gone as long as I have with this channel is a personal win for me. Having fun with the subject matter helps.
This channel is essentially a podcast in video. I would much rather produce an excellent, well edited and written channel, but this is the best I've been able to sustain so far, and I still miss weeks from time to time.
I acknowledge that the content is dry, and simply adding a little b-roll would be a nice change of pace. Editing would be my next attempt to improve my content. I know my viewers deserve better, but this is what is sustainable for me at this point. If they find a cure for fibromyalgia things might change, but I have no expectations for that.
I'm grateful for my viewers and subscribers, and would do more if I could.
I think content trumps style in this type of video, flashy editing and shots won't really add much unless it was an install video. I put these on while I work and just listen sometimes. This channel is good stuff, please keep it up. I've learned so much. I direct and edit video for a living. If you have any questions shoot me a message, I'll try to help best I can.
^^^^when you're doing subwoofer research but you're five and have add.
More respect for a dog lover than an “audiophile🐶🔇‼️
Too bad the dogs are deaf
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Get on with i man too much waffle ,switced off looked elsewhere.
Your subs are too close together
@ Wayne Davis: I completely agree that this dude is soo stinking boring. No wonder everytime he uploads a video his dogs are both sleeping. Monotone voice and very drab. He actually improved abit because at 10:33 we saw a hairy hand. Nice change of pace.
AVS JUNKIE good thing you have the option to not watch the video.
But i did want to watch it. I was having a hard time sleeping so i figured this would help.
I'm sure that helped. I'll be honest, I've actually fallen asleep while watching some of his videos but they are informative.
I agree
Sleeping dogs LOL