I did LP about 10 years ago. I was diagnosed with ME/CFS by a specialist previous to that. Strangely enough it did really work and i felt almost normal within a couple days. BUT the process itself is very hard to maintain and i dont think addresses the underlying medical issue. Basically stopping yourself from having negative thoughts, emotions or even awareness of symptoms is impossible in the long run, and it also in my opinion disconnects you from your own body and is very similar to 'positivity bullshit'. So my ME came back, after spending £700 and thinking id got my life back. LP is about removing the physiological stress of ME which apparently causes a vicious circle of symptoms in the body. But why does stress make us so ill? Lots of people have stress and dont get ME. LP is a band aid, which may be enough to keep symptoms at bay for some cases of ME but if it really worked LONG TERM for most cases, we'd know by now. Btw this is a seperate subject but can i just point out that ME and CFS are just two terms for the same disease. Some people have less severe ME but they still have it, and to say 'oh they just had a bit of burn out- it wasnt *PROPER* M.E' or whatever is really a crap thing to say about somebody and really invalidates their experience. We dont know enough about ME but we do know that different things work for different people, and that everybody's symptoms are slightly different. If you fit the criteria, you have ME. I understand that being taken seriously with this disease is a massive challenge, but we dont need to be putting other people down to raise ourselves up.
M.E. and CFS are not the same thing at all. M.E. is the name given to the disease studied by Dr Melvin Ramsay which causes very specific symptoms in specific patterns at different stages of the illness. The diagnostic criteria for CFS is entirely different from Ramsays disease.
The people who I get my healing info from have reasons for why people get worse after suddenly feeling good using Psychology tools. It is VERY SAD to see you have gone to the dark side. and unfortunately you are just so wrong. The LP isn't a bandaid... a band aid suggests its a temporary fix. If you use the tools as one of many tools in your toolkit to heal, you will also fix everything else that is going on and then you can heal.. It disconnects you from your body if you use it that way. It all depends on the practitioner you had... The Optimumm Health Clinic could give you great coaching on this.
Hi again albino hedgehog.. Hopefully you still use this RUclips channel so you see my comments. Below is an article from my practitioner talking about recovery.. If you look carefully, she explains that people go try something, like a psychology technique (LIKE WHAT YOU DID), then they feel amazing for a bit, then they go back over (JUST LIKE YOU DID)... This article was written many years ago. She has over 13 years of clinical daily experience. Its not that the LP doesnt work, its because you didnt take a true holistic, multi-factorial, concurrent approach. THANK YOU, for your comment.. I learn from people all the time. I love learning from peoples mistakes as this will help me on my journey back to full health! Here is the article: www.nikigratrix.com/7-steps-to-optimum-energy-and-well-being/
As she said resting, listen to your body recognise set backs. She also said it depends what stage you are at. Like Alan said don't over do it. more importantly all ME sufferers should support each other x
So nice to see and hear she is on the road to recovery. Everyone with M.E struggles with their own journey through life, but we're all the same, we're all fighting the same battle to keep going through every minute of every day - with the hope that one day (maybe today, maybe tomorrow) 🤞 we'll start to get better - or even be better. (Being diagnosed with M.E is hard) but it's harder not knowing what's wrong with you, not having answers, not being believed - and then being judged by others who dont understand, or worse.. who do but don't believe you because your not as bad as them, or you managed to get better. (Remember when it was you?) Because it sure as hell sticks in my mind the difficulties I had being believed or heard by friends, family and mostly doctors! I'm still fighting my journey to keep my head above water but I'm determined to get better one day. Good on this lady for speaking out - not everyone's journey with M.E is going to start bad and end bad so hats off to her for finding her own recovery, and lets all hope it's ours one day too. Thank You for speaking out and letting people all over the country know that it (isnt burn out /or a simple can't be bothered today, or depression) -.This lady is showing everyone that anyone can get this illness - even successful caree women like herself, and the more people that see it as an illness the better I say so "Thank You Martina McCutcheon" and I'm so happy for you that your on a slow but positive road to recovery 😘 Good Luck. Xx
One thing is for sure, she didn't have ME/CFS if she recovered in the ways she described. It makes me so angry when I see celebs harp on about how they recovered from this illness. She probably had Overtraining Syndrome. Low levels of exercise are beneficial for people suffering from Overtraining Syndrome and can lead to a quicker recovery, but for people with ME that same exercise would make the condition worse. Do not even get me started on that vile Lightning Process!
Some people who are diagnosed with it do seem to get well easier than others .....if it has been caused by a virus some peoples body's will eventually fight it off. But I see what your saying. I had severe me couldn't speak ... Couldn't even have people in my room or anyone near me.... It's a terrible illness. But there is always an underlying cause. I had a severe systemic fungal infection which had gone undiagnosed .... I had to be on anti fungals for over a year as well as build my immune system back up as I had practically no immune function at all. It was the worst time of my life and I truly feel for anyone going through it. It can be beaten ... There is always an underlying pathogenic cause be it a virus, bacteria , or fungal it's just finding what it is killing it and repairing the immune system. I agree with you know that people who are tired and become better with excercise etc really don't have m.e which involves brain and spinal inflammation. They have chronic fatigue....extremely tired basically.
woahhh.. cant believe these comments. Its actually quite sickening. Ive had ME for 5 years and love hearing stories like her. Your not going to heal if you take the negative out of every situation. Shes an inspiration for sharing awareness. Drop the ego and heal yourself.
You're a fellow ill person, so I have no ill will towards you and I applaud you for retaining hope when this illness takes so much from so many. In fact I think people should find hope wherever they can. But take it from an ME sufferer of almost 15yrs, who was bedbound for 7yrs with severe ME and DID get better (not by positive thinking, juices etc btw), what a lot of these celebs and athletes have is something called Overtraining Syndrome. The things that help them will make a person with ME worse. It's not negative - a lot of us work towards research into ME and try to make sure that it is diagnosed correctly in people. That's not too much to ask, right?
absolutely not to much to ask. But how can you know exactly what she had? This is such a complex illness as you & i know, and you expect someone to put everything in a 3 minute interview? you probably been asked this but have you gone down the lyme diagnoses road? With this disagreement aside i do sincerely wish you all the best & hope you find some answers. You are obviously are strong person for keep fighting this. Much love
LP is now officially mentioned in the NICE guidelines as something that should NOT BE DONE for ME/CFS.. Now, finally, Phil Parker (the founder of LP) risks to be prosecuted for scamming people for years. This is a real story about ME/CFS and the lightning process scam from Reddit: “As someone who has M.E. and has been a victim of the lightning process, this guy basically takes CBT therapy and then markets it as a weird cult… When you first look them up, they never tell you what the process is and keep it very secretive, they tell you it's because if someone hears about the process and tries it with a pre-conceived judgement then it wont work, because you need to see the presentation in order to understand it. Then when you go to a consultation with a practitioner, they either tell you that 100% of patients recover or that 90% recover and the other 10% just aren't doing it right or do not want to recover. Then they say it has cured people with Diabetes, cancer, whatever they feel like on the spot. so if you've been diagnosed with any chronic illness and are finding it hard to accept being told there is no cure and this person is telling you there is but you have to pay £800, of course you are desperate, you will pay. I was a child when this happened and i knew it was a scam from the first moment i heard them but my mother was so desperate for a cure she begged me to try it. I went in with an open mind and suspend disbelief desperate to do anything that would make me better They then put you on a long intensive course over the weekend where they show you pseudoscience about the brain being able to reprogram itself through positive thought. Then give you basic tapping on your fingers and saying STOP, I CHOOSE to live the life i want! , stuff like that… Then they replace your language, they tell you that Chronic Fatigue is something you are DOING, not something that is happening TO you. They tell you, you are not allowed to ever say the word "tired" They tell you when you feel bad, to shout "STOP!" and walk around doing this circle ritual repeating positivity crap and choosing to stop "doing" M.E. Then they ask you from 1 to 10 how are you feeling, they ask you before doing the process and after if you say you feel the same as before, they will make you do the process again, this can go on forever, after a while you become frustrated and say a lower number just to get on with it. They take this as proof of it working. Then as time goes on, you do the process every morning, every night, every time you feel tired, every time you're in pain, and then when nothing happens, because your physical illness can't be wished away with positive thinking, you go back to them and they tell you that the process works. The only reason why it's not working for you is because you're not trying hard enough, or you don't really want to get better. Telling that to a child is so damaging that many kids from around the world have tried to kill themselves. It made me believe that my illness was my fault, that if i'm the one "doing" this then I hate myself, i had a decade of suicidal depression after it.”
M.E is recognised by the World Health Organisation alongside M.S, wonder if this works for M.S? Similar symptoms, both neurological disorders. Does the man who charges for the lightning programme have any training as a neurologist or any medical training as I've heard some people have been made worse?
The creator of the Lightning Process is qualified in the field of neuroscience and has done loads of research in neuroscience to develop the Lightning Process. And he used to be a osteopath before going into neuroscience. Lightning Process definitely works but you need to understand it for it to work, and you also need to put in the work to actually do it.
M.E and MS are different. M.E is dysfuntional nervous sytem in the sense that we are stuck in stress/anxious mode. the LP corrects this if used correctly. is it a one shot cure for everyone? No.... Is it a powerful tool as part of a multi factored approach? Yes.
It's upsetting when celebs get these serious conditions and like magic they're cured. For the rest of us the condition reaks havoc for decades. I think these celebs are paid to do these fake interviews and promote a product, service or place e.g. LP, the Priory etc. Like I was a suicidal alcoholic drug addict but I went to the Priory and a week later I'm fine.
madam, i know you are genuine, but even to give free advertisement for the lightning process is doing a tremendous disservice to patients. much more medical research is needed and you are not helping by endorsing the lightning process
LP is now officially mentioned in the NICE guidelines as something that should NOT BE DONE for ME/CFS.. Now, finally, Phil Parker (the founder of LP) risks to be prosecuted for scamming people for years. This is a real story about ME/CFS and the lightning process scam from Reddit: “As someone who has M.E. and has been a victim of the lightning process, this guy basically takes CBT therapy and then markets it as a weird cult… When you first look them up, they never tell you what the process is and keep it very secretive, they tell you it's because if someone hears about the process and tries it with a pre-conceived judgement then it wont work, because you need to see the presentation in order to understand it. Then when you go to a consultation with a practitioner, they either tell you that 100% of patients recover or that 90% recover and the other 10% just aren't doing it right or do not want to recover. Then they say it has cured people with Diabetes, cancer, whatever they feel like on the spot. so if you've been diagnosed with any chronic illness and are finding it hard to accept being told there is no cure and this person is telling you there is but you have to pay £800, of course you are desperate, you will pay. I was a child when this happened and i knew it was a scam from the first moment i heard them but my mother was so desperate for a cure she begged me to try it. I went in with an open mind and suspend disbelief desperate to do anything that would make me better They then put you on a long intensive course over the weekend where they show you pseudoscience about the brain being able to reprogram itself through positive thought. Then give you basic tapping on your fingers and saying STOP, I CHOOSE to live the life i want! , stuff like that… Then they replace your language, they tell you that Chronic Fatigue is something you are DOING, not something that is happening TO you. They tell you, you are not allowed to ever say the word "tired" They tell you when you feel bad, to shout "STOP!" and walk around doing this circle ritual repeating positivity crap and choosing to stop "doing" M.E. Then they ask you from 1 to 10 how are you feeling, they ask you before doing the process and after if you say you feel the same as before, they will make you do the process again, this can go on forever, after a while you become frustrated and say a lower number just to get on with it. They take this as proof of it working. Then as time goes on, you do the process every morning, every night, every time you feel tired, every time you're in pain, and then when nothing happens, because your physical illness can't be wished away with positive thinking, you go back to them and they tell you that the process works. The only reason why it's not working for you is because you're not trying hard enough, or you don't really want to get better. Telling that to a child is so damaging that many kids from around the world have tried to kill themselves. It made me believe that my illness was my fault, that if i'm the one "doing" this then I hate myself, i had a decade of suicidal depression after it.”
oh just watched the whole interview, didn't before, I was too ill. if she got better through exercising it definitely wasn't m.e. one of the defining symptoms of m.e. is that every activity especially exercise makes you worse. if you're not made worse by exercise, you don't have m.e.
What has medical science done for us? I wouldn't do the LP but I agree about nutrition and listening to our bodies. The medical profession won't even let me see a nutritionist on the NHS to get help with my numerous food intolerances and I've asked my doctor repeatedly for allergy testing to no avail. In my experience they don't see ME as serious enough that they want to help us.
They say 10% of people that have chronic fatigue get better within 6mth to a year. some mistake viral fatigue which give same symptoms has cfs but get better in it own time.
I remember seeing her in a music video in 1998 and thinking she looked like she had M.E. There's a certain look M.E. patients have. But then she spoke somewhere about using bleach while cleaning her house. Anyone with Ramsay's M.E. would be made dramatically worse for weeks by inhaling bleach, which makes me think she has something else. I don't doubt she was very ill though.
All depence how bad your is and sometime you can go in remission. Some people have chronic fatigue not Myalgia encephalomyelitis. They are not the same . Still got to be careful never the less.
Why do people feel the need to say people didn’t really have the illness because they got better?!!! It makes me mad. Be pleased for people who get well and maybe learn something from them.
Thank you for your recommendations. You’re making the assumption though that I haven’t and that I don’t know what I’m talking about. As someone who has had ALL of the symptoms stated for ME including being bedridden and housebound for most of 18 months, and as someone who has spent probably thousands of hours researching the illness, I can assure you that I do know what I’m talking about. However I have also read many, many stories of recovery. And I choose not to do those people the dis-service of refusing to believe them. Instead I choose to learn about what those people have done to improve their health and apply what I can to myself. I choose to believe it’s possible to recover. From ANY illness, whatever name it is given. I would rather believe in recovery and have hope than believe in the story that recovery isn’t possible, and have no hope. Either way I have the illness, but a much more pleasant experience of it if I have hope. I’m sure you’ll be happy for me when I say that I am slowly recovering. I am no longer housebound. Whether I will ever be fully recovered I don’t know. But I hope I will. And if you are also trying to recover from ME or CFS then I very much hope you will too. I’d thoroughly recommend watching the documentary Heal if you haven’t already, I found it hugely helpful.
To everyone saying she never had ME, shh! I don't know her, nor do I know how her body is but it seems like she's suffered with a very mild case of ME/CFS (if she has it as she says) or a case of just plain old chronic fatigue which you can get over. I've personally suffered with the very mild case of ME and now my health has gone down hill big time because this horrible chronic illness takes you on a roller coaster. I hope with whatever she has suffered with isn't stopping her now and I hope she's able to live a healthy life.
I do not want to judge Martine personally, because I have every sympathy for her whatever she has or has had. However, if it is ME she will be used to not only having to live with such a debilitating disease and illness, but also she will be used to all the ignorance and taboo around it, not to mention very little, if any real help from the NHS. So she may be just used to hiding talking about it fully as barely anyone out there understands it, few really sympathise and many minimise it or just dismiss it, unless they either know someone who has it or has it themselves. She may well have put the public cloak on around the invisible cage, that many, even doctors think it is nothing major or you appear well.
LP is now officially mentioned in the NICE guidelines as something that should NOT BE DONE for ME/CFS.. Now, finally, Phil Parker (the founder of LP) risks to be prosecuted for scamming people for years. This is a real story about ME/CFS and the lightning process scam from Reddit: “As someone who has M.E. and has been a victim of the lightning process, this guy basically takes CBT therapy and then markets it as a weird cult… When you first look them up, they never tell you what the process is and keep it very secretive, they tell you it's because if someone hears about the process and tries it with a pre-conceived judgement then it wont work, because you need to see the presentation in order to understand it. Then when you go to a consultation with a practitioner, they either tell you that 100% of patients recover or that 90% recover and the other 10% just aren't doing it right or do not want to recover. Then they say it has cured people with Diabetes, cancer, whatever they feel like on the spot. so if you've been diagnosed with any chronic illness and are finding it hard to accept being told there is no cure and this person is telling you there is but you have to pay £800, of course you are desperate, you will pay. I was a child when this happened and i knew it was a scam from the first moment i heard them but my mother was so desperate for a cure she begged me to try it. I went in with an open mind and suspend disbelief desperate to do anything that would make me better They then put you on a long intensive course over the weekend where they show you pseudoscience about the brain being able to reprogram itself through positive thought. Then give you basic tapping on your fingers and saying STOP, I CHOOSE to live the life i want! , stuff like that… Then they replace your language, they tell you that Chronic Fatigue is something you are DOING, not something that is happening TO you. They tell you, you are not allowed to ever say the word "tired" They tell you when you feel bad, to shout "STOP!" and walk around doing this circle ritual repeating positivity crap and choosing to stop "doing" M.E. Then they ask you from 1 to 10 how are you feeling, they ask you before doing the process and after if you say you feel the same as before, they will make you do the process again, this can go on forever, after a while you become frustrated and say a lower number just to get on with it. They take this as proof of it working. Then as time goes on, you do the process every morning, every night, every time you feel tired, every time you're in pain, and then when nothing happens, because your physical illness can't be wished away with positive thinking, you go back to them and they tell you that the process works. The only reason why it's not working for you is because you're not trying hard enough, or you don't really want to get better. Telling that to a child is so damaging that many kids from around the world have tried to kill themselves. It made me believe that my illness was my fault, that if i'm the one "doing" this then I hate myself, i had a decade of suicidal depression after it.”
They say 10% of people that have chronic fatigue get better within 6mth to a year. some mistake viral fatigue which give same symptoms has cfs but get better in it own time.
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Thank you to martine for raising awareness! Modest interview to boot x
I did LP about 10 years ago. I was diagnosed with ME/CFS by a specialist previous to that. Strangely enough it did really work and i felt almost normal within a couple days. BUT the process itself is very hard to maintain and i dont think addresses the underlying medical issue. Basically stopping yourself from having negative thoughts, emotions or even awareness of symptoms is impossible in the long run, and it also in my opinion disconnects you from your own body and is very similar to 'positivity bullshit'. So my ME came back, after spending £700 and thinking id got my life back. LP is about removing the physiological stress of ME which apparently causes a vicious circle of symptoms in the body. But why does stress make us so ill? Lots of people have stress and dont get ME. LP is a band aid, which may be enough to keep symptoms at bay for some cases of ME but if it really worked LONG TERM for most cases, we'd know by now.
Btw this is a seperate subject but can i just point out that ME and CFS are just two terms for the same disease. Some people have less severe ME but they still have it, and to say 'oh they just had a bit of burn out- it wasnt *PROPER* M.E' or whatever is really a crap thing to say about somebody and really invalidates their experience. We dont know enough about ME but we do know that different things work for different people, and that everybody's symptoms are slightly different. If you fit the criteria, you have ME. I understand that being taken seriously with this disease is a massive challenge, but we dont need to be putting other people down to raise ourselves up.
M.E. and CFS are not the same thing at all. M.E. is the name given to the disease studied by Dr Melvin Ramsay which causes very specific symptoms in specific patterns at different stages of the illness. The diagnostic criteria for CFS is entirely different from Ramsays disease.
The people who I get my healing info from have reasons for why people get worse after suddenly feeling good using Psychology tools. It is VERY SAD to see you have gone to the dark side. and unfortunately you are just so wrong. The LP isn't a bandaid... a band aid suggests its a temporary fix. If you use the tools as one of many tools in your toolkit to heal, you will also fix everything else that is going on and then you can heal.. It disconnects you from your body if you use it that way. It all depends on the practitioner you had... The Optimumm Health Clinic could give you great coaching on this.
Hi again albino hedgehog.. Hopefully you still use this RUclips channel so you see my comments. Below is an article from my practitioner talking about recovery.. If you look carefully, she explains that people go try something, like a psychology technique (LIKE WHAT YOU DID), then they feel amazing for a bit, then they go back over (JUST LIKE YOU DID)... This article was written many years ago. She has over 13 years of clinical daily experience. Its not that the LP doesnt work, its because you didnt take a true holistic, multi-factorial, concurrent approach. THANK YOU, for your comment.. I learn from people all the time. I love learning from peoples mistakes as this will help me on my journey back to full health! Here is the article: www.nikigratrix.com/7-steps-to-optimum-energy-and-well-being/
@@michaelfortune9997 Don't blame the patient for an unscientific treatment not working.
Michael fortune what a load of old tripe, as usual followed by ways to spend money
As she said resting, listen to your body recognise set backs. She also said it depends what stage you are at. Like Alan said don't over do it. more importantly all ME sufferers should support each other x
So nice to see and hear she is on the road to recovery.
Everyone with M.E struggles with their own journey through life, but we're all the same, we're all fighting the same battle to keep going through every minute of every day - with the hope that one day (maybe today, maybe tomorrow) 🤞 we'll start to get better - or even be better.
(Being diagnosed with M.E is hard) but it's harder not knowing what's wrong with you, not having answers, not being believed - and then being judged by others who dont understand, or worse.. who do but don't believe you because your not as bad as them, or you managed to get better. (Remember when it was you?) Because it sure as hell sticks in my mind the difficulties I had being believed or heard by friends, family and mostly doctors! I'm still fighting my journey to keep my head above water but I'm determined to get better one day.
Good on this lady for speaking out - not everyone's journey with M.E is going to start bad and end bad so hats off to her for finding her own recovery, and lets all hope it's ours one day too.
Thank You for speaking out and letting people all over the country know that it (isnt burn out /or a simple can't be bothered today, or depression) -.This lady is showing everyone that anyone can get this illness - even successful caree women like herself, and the more people that see it as an illness the better I say so "Thank You Martina McCutcheon" and I'm so happy for you that your on a slow but positive road to recovery 😘 Good Luck. Xx
We need more videos on youtube about M.E.! Well described here, thank you for this xx
Thanks Martine for raising awareness!!! xxx
Stephen Wright She newer had me/cfs she had a depression and good she got over it...….
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 Try T3. It has been shown in CFS as low. ruclips.net/video/CVXvYrJJ5dU/видео.html
She's gorgeous! Wish she'd go back to Eastenders as Tiffany's long lost twin! Stranger things have happened!
Yep. It is real and described so accurately. Been trying to overcome it for one year now.
She just said publicly that she’s still sick. Lightning Process made her lie about recovery.
One thing is for sure, she didn't have ME/CFS if she recovered in the ways she described. It makes me so angry when I see celebs harp on about how they recovered from this illness. She probably had Overtraining Syndrome. Low levels of exercise are beneficial for people suffering from Overtraining Syndrome and can lead to a quicker recovery, but for people with ME that same exercise would make the condition worse. Do not even get me started on that vile Lightning Process!
Some people who are diagnosed with it do seem to get well easier than others .....if it has been caused by a virus some peoples body's will eventually fight it off. But I see what your saying. I had severe me couldn't speak ... Couldn't even have people in my room or anyone near me.... It's a terrible illness. But there is always an underlying cause. I had a severe systemic fungal infection which had gone undiagnosed .... I had to be on anti fungals for over a year as well as build my immune system back up as I had practically no immune function at all. It was the worst time of my life and I truly feel for anyone going through it. It can be beaten ... There is always an underlying pathogenic cause be it a virus, bacteria , or fungal it's just finding what it is killing it and repairing the immune system. I agree with you know that people who are tired and become better with excercise etc really don't have m.e which involves brain and spinal inflammation. They have chronic fatigue....extremely tired basically.
woahhh.. cant believe these comments. Its actually quite sickening. Ive had ME for 5 years and love hearing stories like her. Your not going to heal if you take the negative out of every situation. Shes an inspiration for sharing awareness. Drop the ego and heal yourself.
You're a fellow ill person, so I have no ill will towards you and I applaud you for retaining hope when this illness takes so much from so many. In fact I think people should find hope wherever they can. But take it from an ME sufferer of almost 15yrs, who was bedbound for 7yrs with severe ME and DID get better (not by positive thinking, juices etc btw), what a lot of these celebs and athletes have is something called Overtraining Syndrome. The things that help them will make a person with ME worse. It's not negative - a lot of us work towards research into ME and try to make sure that it is diagnosed correctly in people. That's not too much to ask, right?
absolutely not to much to ask. But how can you know exactly what she had? This is such a complex illness as you & i know, and you expect someone to put everything in a 3 minute interview? you probably been asked this but have you gone down the lyme diagnoses road? With this disagreement aside i do sincerely wish you all the best & hope you find some answers. You are obviously are strong person for keep fighting this. Much love
LP is now officially mentioned in the NICE guidelines as something that should NOT BE DONE for ME/CFS..
Now, finally, Phil Parker (the founder of LP) risks to be prosecuted for scamming people for years.
This is a real story about ME/CFS and the lightning process scam from Reddit:
“As someone who has M.E. and has been a victim of the lightning process, this guy basically takes CBT therapy and then markets it as a weird cult… When you first look them up, they never tell you what the process is and keep it very secretive, they tell you it's because if someone hears about the process and tries it with a pre-conceived judgement then it wont work, because you need to see the presentation in order to understand it.
Then when you go to a consultation with a practitioner, they either tell you that 100% of patients recover or that 90% recover and the other 10% just aren't doing it right or do not want to recover.
Then they say it has cured people with Diabetes, cancer, whatever they feel like on the spot.
so if you've been diagnosed with any chronic illness and are finding it hard to accept being told there is no cure and this person is telling you there is but you have to pay £800, of course you are desperate, you will pay.
I was a child when this happened and i knew it was a scam from the first moment i heard them but my mother was so desperate for a cure she begged me to try it.
I went in with an open mind and suspend disbelief desperate to do anything that would make me better
They then put you on a long intensive course over the weekend where they show you pseudoscience about the brain being able to reprogram itself through positive thought. Then give you basic tapping on your fingers and saying STOP, I CHOOSE to live the life i want! , stuff like that…
Then they replace your language, they tell you that Chronic Fatigue is something you are DOING, not something that is happening TO you.
They tell you, you are not allowed to ever say the word "tired"
They tell you when you feel bad, to shout "STOP!" and walk around doing this circle ritual repeating positivity crap and choosing to stop "doing" M.E.
Then they ask you from 1 to 10 how are you feeling, they ask you before doing the process and after
if you say you feel the same as before, they will make you do the process again, this can go on forever, after a while you become frustrated and say a lower number just to get on with it. They take this as proof of it working.
Then as time goes on, you do the process every morning, every night, every time you feel tired, every time you're in pain, and then when nothing happens, because your physical illness can't be wished away with positive thinking, you go back to them and they tell you that the process works. The only reason why it's not working for you is because you're not trying hard enough, or you don't really want to get better.
Telling that to a child is so damaging that many kids from around the world have tried to kill themselves.
It made me believe that my illness was my fault, that if i'm the one "doing" this then I hate myself, i had a decade of suicidal depression after it.”
Thanks for this video! :)
She never mentioned Post Exertional Malaise. THE hallmark of this disease. Yes she was chronically fatigued. But that's not ME.
+Blue Skyze I know. It's sad. Hope with all the development in the US things might change in the UK. At some point
she said she can go out on a tour now . i doubt it’s ME then . that would be impossible
It turns out she wasn’t cured at all and now she sells another product for chronic illness…
M.E is recognised by the World Health Organisation alongside M.S, wonder if this works for M.S? Similar symptoms, both neurological disorders. Does the man who charges for the lightning programme have any training as a neurologist or any medical training as I've heard some people have been made worse?
Thank you Caro mac. Yes neurological disorder, NOT psychological
The creator of the Lightning Process is qualified in the field of neuroscience and has done loads of research in neuroscience to develop the Lightning Process. And he used to be a osteopath before going into neuroscience. Lightning Process definitely works but you need to understand it for it to work, and you also need to put in the work to actually do it.
Claire C. ..and the money.
M.E and MS are different. M.E is dysfuntional nervous sytem in the sense that we are stuck in stress/anxious mode. the LP corrects this if used correctly. is it a one shot cure for everyone? No.... Is it a powerful tool as part of a multi factored approach? Yes.
@@clairec.3485 quack quack. ME is hypothyroidism with a conversion fault.
I try everything ME did not get better for me.
Some people can have Chronic fatigue and get better
Forever gorgeous.
It's upsetting when celebs get these serious conditions and like magic they're cured. For the rest of us the condition reaks havoc for decades. I think these celebs are paid to do these fake interviews and promote a product, service or place e.g. LP, the Priory etc. Like I was a suicidal alcoholic drug addict but I went to the Priory and a week later I'm fine.
She was paid for this. It was also recently clear that she’s still sick. She is now paid to promote CBD oil for chronic illness.
she looks very well now
probably her hypothyroidism (ME lol) cleared up.
madam, i know you are genuine, but even to give free advertisement for the lightning process is doing a tremendous disservice to patients. much more medical research is needed and you are not helping by endorsing the lightning process
LP is now officially mentioned in the NICE guidelines as something that should NOT BE DONE for ME/CFS..
Now, finally, Phil Parker (the founder of LP) risks to be prosecuted for scamming people for years.
This is a real story about ME/CFS and the lightning process scam from Reddit:
“As someone who has M.E. and has been a victim of the lightning process, this guy basically takes CBT therapy and then markets it as a weird cult… When you first look them up, they never tell you what the process is and keep it very secretive, they tell you it's because if someone hears about the process and tries it with a pre-conceived judgement then it wont work, because you need to see the presentation in order to understand it.
Then when you go to a consultation with a practitioner, they either tell you that 100% of patients recover or that 90% recover and the other 10% just aren't doing it right or do not want to recover.
Then they say it has cured people with Diabetes, cancer, whatever they feel like on the spot.
so if you've been diagnosed with any chronic illness and are finding it hard to accept being told there is no cure and this person is telling you there is but you have to pay £800, of course you are desperate, you will pay.
I was a child when this happened and i knew it was a scam from the first moment i heard them but my mother was so desperate for a cure she begged me to try it.
I went in with an open mind and suspend disbelief desperate to do anything that would make me better
They then put you on a long intensive course over the weekend where they show you pseudoscience about the brain being able to reprogram itself through positive thought. Then give you basic tapping on your fingers and saying STOP, I CHOOSE to live the life i want! , stuff like that…
Then they replace your language, they tell you that Chronic Fatigue is something you are DOING, not something that is happening TO you.
They tell you, you are not allowed to ever say the word "tired"
They tell you when you feel bad, to shout "STOP!" and walk around doing this circle ritual repeating positivity crap and choosing to stop "doing" M.E.
Then they ask you from 1 to 10 how are you feeling, they ask you before doing the process and after
if you say you feel the same as before, they will make you do the process again, this can go on forever, after a while you become frustrated and say a lower number just to get on with it. They take this as proof of it working.
Then as time goes on, you do the process every morning, every night, every time you feel tired, every time you're in pain, and then when nothing happens, because your physical illness can't be wished away with positive thinking, you go back to them and they tell you that the process works. The only reason why it's not working for you is because you're not trying hard enough, or you don't really want to get better.
Telling that to a child is so damaging that many kids from around the world have tried to kill themselves.
It made me believe that my illness was my fault, that if i'm the one "doing" this then I hate myself, i had a decade of suicidal depression after it.”
oh just watched the whole interview, didn't before, I was too ill. if she got better through exercising it definitely wasn't m.e. one of the defining symptoms of m.e. is that every activity especially exercise makes you worse. if you're not made worse by exercise, you don't have m.e.
As she said it depends what stage you're at.
If you have to still be careful how you eat and manage your day your not cured, your manage in it well if your is not the very severe long term cases.
And here's why people who don't know what they're talking about should be more responsible and learn some medical science.
What has medical science done for us? I wouldn't do the LP but I agree about nutrition and listening to our bodies. The medical profession won't even let me see a nutritionist on the NHS to get help with my numerous food intolerances and I've asked my doctor repeatedly for allergy testing to no avail. In my experience they don't see ME as serious enough that they want to help us.
They say 10% of people that have chronic fatigue get better within 6mth to a year.
some mistake viral fatigue which give same symptoms has cfs but get better in it own time.
Gorgeous girl
Vague on the lightening process
I remember seeing her in a music video in 1998 and thinking she looked like she had M.E. There's a certain look M.E. patients have. But then she spoke somewhere about using bleach while cleaning her house. Anyone with Ramsay's M.E. would be made dramatically worse for weeks by inhaling bleach, which makes me think she has something else. I don't doubt she was very ill though.
What “look” do all M.E patients have ? Just curious .....
You got out of a depression got for you never had ME/CFS
All depence how bad your is and sometime you can go in remission.
Some people have chronic fatigue not Myalgia encephalomyelitis.
They are not the same .
Still got to be careful never the less.
Why do people feel the need to say people didn’t really have the illness because they got better?!!! It makes me mad. Be pleased for people who get well and maybe learn something from them.
@@hazelstinson9911 Maybe you should look up Ramsey defined ME. Read Byron Hyde. or Twisk.
Thank you for your recommendations. You’re making the assumption though that I haven’t and that I don’t know what I’m talking about. As someone who has had ALL of the symptoms stated for ME including being bedridden and housebound for most of 18 months, and as someone who has spent probably thousands of hours researching the illness, I can assure you that I do know what I’m talking about. However I have also read many, many stories of recovery. And I choose not to do those people the dis-service of refusing to believe them. Instead I choose to learn about what those people have done to improve their health and apply what I can to myself. I choose to believe it’s possible to recover. From ANY illness, whatever name it is given. I would rather believe in recovery and have hope than believe in the story that recovery isn’t possible, and have no hope. Either way I have the illness, but a much more pleasant experience of it if I have hope. I’m sure you’ll be happy for me when I say that I am slowly recovering. I am no longer housebound. Whether I will ever be fully recovered I don’t know. But I hope I will. And if you are also trying to recover from ME or CFS then I very much hope you will too. I’d thoroughly recommend watching the documentary Heal if you haven’t already, I found it hugely helpful.
Don't doubt she was unwell, but if she thinks the LP cured her then it is very highly unlikely she had ME.
To everyone saying she never had ME, shh! I don't know her, nor do I know how her body is but it seems like she's suffered with a very mild case of ME/CFS (if she has it as she says) or a case of just plain old chronic fatigue which you can get over. I've personally suffered with the very mild case of ME and now my health has gone down hill big time because this horrible chronic illness takes you on a roller coaster. I hope with whatever she has suffered with isn't stopping her now and I hope she's able to live a healthy life.
Ending up in a wheelchair and being unable to wash your own hair isn't mild.
I do not want to judge Martine personally, because I have every sympathy for her whatever she has or has had. However, if it is ME she will be used to not only having to live with such a debilitating disease and illness, but also she will be used to all the ignorance and taboo around it, not to mention very little, if any real help from the NHS. So she may be just used to hiding talking about it fully as barely anyone out there understands it, few really sympathise and many minimise it or just dismiss it, unless they either know someone who has it or has it themselves. She may well have put the public cloak on around the invisible cage, that many, even doctors think it is nothing major or you appear well.
LP is now officially mentioned in the NICE guidelines as something that should NOT BE DONE for ME/CFS..
Now, finally, Phil Parker (the founder of LP) risks to be prosecuted for scamming people for years.
This is a real story about ME/CFS and the lightning process scam from Reddit:
“As someone who has M.E. and has been a victim of the lightning process, this guy basically takes CBT therapy and then markets it as a weird cult… When you first look them up, they never tell you what the process is and keep it very secretive, they tell you it's because if someone hears about the process and tries it with a pre-conceived judgement then it wont work, because you need to see the presentation in order to understand it.
Then when you go to a consultation with a practitioner, they either tell you that 100% of patients recover or that 90% recover and the other 10% just aren't doing it right or do not want to recover.
Then they say it has cured people with Diabetes, cancer, whatever they feel like on the spot.
so if you've been diagnosed with any chronic illness and are finding it hard to accept being told there is no cure and this person is telling you there is but you have to pay £800, of course you are desperate, you will pay.
I was a child when this happened and i knew it was a scam from the first moment i heard them but my mother was so desperate for a cure she begged me to try it.
I went in with an open mind and suspend disbelief desperate to do anything that would make me better
They then put you on a long intensive course over the weekend where they show you pseudoscience about the brain being able to reprogram itself through positive thought. Then give you basic tapping on your fingers and saying STOP, I CHOOSE to live the life i want! , stuff like that…
Then they replace your language, they tell you that Chronic Fatigue is something you are DOING, not something that is happening TO you.
They tell you, you are not allowed to ever say the word "tired"
They tell you when you feel bad, to shout "STOP!" and walk around doing this circle ritual repeating positivity crap and choosing to stop "doing" M.E.
Then they ask you from 1 to 10 how are you feeling, they ask you before doing the process and after
if you say you feel the same as before, they will make you do the process again, this can go on forever, after a while you become frustrated and say a lower number just to get on with it. They take this as proof of it working.
Then as time goes on, you do the process every morning, every night, every time you feel tired, every time you're in pain, and then when nothing happens, because your physical illness can't be wished away with positive thinking, you go back to them and they tell you that the process works. The only reason why it's not working for you is because you're not trying hard enough, or you don't really want to get better.
Telling that to a child is so damaging that many kids from around the world have tried to kill themselves.
It made me believe that my illness was my fault, that if i'm the one "doing" this then I hate myself, i had a decade of suicidal depression after it.”
Sound like Chronic fatigue not ME, Or very mild ME which people can recover from.
Fucking BS
I knew she wasn’t to be trusted on this when she started on Juicing. Pseudoscience bollocks, unhelpful.
Sounds like hypothyroidism to me.
They say 10% of people that have chronic fatigue get better within 6mth to a year.
some mistake viral fatigue which give same symptoms has cfs but get better in it own time.