THANK YOU!!! I've been looking at all kinds of videos to reduce tire noise, and NO one has had the brains you did to test the car on the same road under the same conditions to compare the before and after results, leaving me to rely on their 'opinion' alone. You seem to be the only one with common sense. Much appreciated!
Decibels are a logarithmic scale, with 6 DBA increace equating to doubling of the sound pressure. Hence going fom 72dBA to 66dBA is half as loud and a significant difference. Thankyou for the video Eric.
Congratulations Eric , for producing a meaningful and pertinent video. Most content on RUclips is BS, people put all manner of meaningless crap to big-note themselves. You've hit the nail on the head with one of the most underrated aspects of motoring. People religiously change their motor oil every 2000 miles but put on the cheap tyres ? Go and ride a motorbike and you learn a lot about adhesion and impact of surface area. And in my old age, I've learnt to appreciate comfort in it's various forms, including reducing / elimination of unnecessary background noise. So well done bringing this into the spotlight.
Eric does a great job once again. I have had great looking tires with good tread and they are noisy and ride rough over bumps. Put new tires on and it's almost like buying a new car for two years. Great points made Eric and thank you.
If you really want it even quieter, coating areas of the under body with a dynamat type material help significantly. Usually most of the sound comes in from the shift tunnel area
You're absolutely right. about new tires and less road noise. One observation about your noise level measurement. In test one the sunroof cover was open and in test 2 it is closed. This will make a difference in your measurements. In my car it's quieter with it closed.
I am a tire fanatic myself. I learned it the hard way, when I was young I preferred to put my money into car speakers and shit, and drove on second hand tires. People just do not realize that it is just as important as having good shoes. Does not matter if you wear crappy jeans and shirts, but shoes are the most important piece of clothing you wear, with tires is the same.
like me, at first shitty audio then performance the quicker the better but shitty tyres brakes and shocks etc now ive got an awesome set of tyres, fast road setup good schocks an brake upgrades on an engine wise completely stock type r and im happy as fuck.
I think my feet are heavy. This means I have steel rims on my car and they are a full inch wider than I want them to be. Because the width of the tire also play a big role in the noise. So I want to have small rims and small tires. And I believe the weight of the wheel also play a big role in the car performance like accelerating and braking.
😄 Back in the 70's, when I had no money, I used to always check out the used tire racks at the gas stations. My friends gave me grief about it but I never had problems with my selections. After awhile you know what's good and what's not. It was actually kind of fun getting a steal vs buying new. I don't know if they still sell used tires or not.
As a viewer, with the old tires fitted I can hear the tire noise easily! In the second part, with the new tires, I can't hear the tires, but the engine, so this is where 67dbs come from, which means the improvement is way larger than what the meter shows! Great video!
a drop from 72.5 db (average) to 67.5 db (average) is 5 db. 3 db less means HALF the sound intensity and 10 db less means HALF the perceived sound volume. So... 5 db less is a big ass drop in volume.
I install tires daily and I must say, Michelin's are good tires. They have siping that goes all the way through the tread so they still preform good after they wear past 50%. Great video Eric, very good information to know 👍
New tires on my 06 Saturn Vue made all the difference several years ago. I made a 200 mile trip on the old ones to find they was so noisy and out of balance I could barely drive 70 mph. They didn't look bad for being 4 years old with 45,000 miles. The new ones was so quiet and no problem driving at 75 mph. I think one had a broken belt. I'm now running Goodyear tires. I have a family member that worked for Goodyear corporate. He says tires are good for 4 year and or 40,000 miles. After that the tires tend to start break down. I enjoy your repair videos. They always help me trouble shoot problems. Even the farimount videos has helped me decide I can not afford a project car. Thanks Eric!!!!!!
thank you for the effort of making this video. I agree with you 100%. I am very sensitive to noisy tyres myself. Ideally, when budget allows, I have them changed every 1.5 -2yrs, even though I don't put in too much miles in them. The ride and sound of driving with new tyres are just so satisfying, which I can also see in your face after the changed. It is like I was there with you. 👍👍
Whomever has the idea that tires don't make a difference should get a bicycle and ride it from time to time. Man oh man do tires affect everything in cars. Ride, sound, performance both on road, and statistics. And it's funny that a simple bicycle can teach you so much about them.
A little late to seeing this video but still worth commenting on. The basic conclusions you came to are spot on. I have a 2003 BMW X5 that originally came with Michelin tires when new. For the first 100K miles at about 10 years, I stayed true to replacing them with the same tires when needed. Little did I know that on my AWD SUV that if one tire when bad you had to replace all 4 at the same time. Do that a couple of times and it gets quite expensive. I decided to switch to Cooper tires which were about half the price of the Michelins. Right off the bat there was a huge difference in the way the vehicle handled and the amount of noise coming inside. It has not been a pleasant experience. As you probably know, BMW's quickly become money pits after several years. In the last 2 years I've sunk over $12K in repairs: oil leaks, rebuilt transmission, new brakes rotors, etc etc etc. I'm trapped into keeping it as I'll never get any of my money back if I sold it. With 175K miles now on it, I've decided to keep it until the wheels fall off. As such I intend to switch back to the original Michelins when the time comes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
8700s14 You can't joke anymore! it seems that RUclips Folk have lost their sense of humor, I always joke and people always complain! so now I do it even more! It's true women can't stop talking, they only stop when they need to breath, as for the idiot that invented the mobile phone? silence has gone forever, we are doomed I tell ya!
Bravo! You have made a video that I can show my teenager and they will understand. I've always appreciated videos like this where you teach basics and can't wait to see more!
It would be interesting to record the noise levels every 5000 miles and make a graph. Depending on the tire brand of course, I imagine it would shoot up around 20000 miles. Thanks for an interesting and informative video.
My Father was a auto mechanic for over 50 years.Front wheel drive unibody cars are a unique challenge for decreasing road noise.I put those same tires on my 2012 corolla and agree completely.
Once I got a set of Michelin Premiere AS tires for my 05 accord my car I love my overall ride quality and its better than when i first bought the car! I have to thank you back from the tire junky video and other tire videos and the suggestion for Michelin on Hondas @EricTheCarGuy! I hope you have a wonderful day!
Couldn't agree with you more about getting the best possible tire for your car/truck. I was driving from Breckenridge, CO to Denver, CO and hit a very icy/slushy patch of highway and almost lost control with my family in the car. Thank God I had good quality tires. I would have lost control if I had sub-par tires.
I've had newer grippier tires sound louder than the tires they replaced because of more aggressive tread with deeper siping. Also stopped issues with hydroplaning and were better in the winter, so I considered it a worthwhile trade-off given all the other characteristics. Sometimes noise comes with the application, winter or all-season vs. summer only, etc.
Hey Eric, I just noticed, the first time you tested, the sunroof cover was open, on the second test it is closed. I myself drive a car similarly equipped and I notice a difference in ambient noise when open vs. shut. It would be interesting to see if there is a change just from that?
It makes a difference for my 2007 Lexus GS 350 when I have the sunroof shade open and closed. It's has less noise when shade is closed. I do agree good tires help a ton. But a closed sunroof and sunroof shade helps too.
Tires made a HUGE difference on my volvo. I also notice a big difference when my sunroof cover is open vs closed. Keeping a wool blanket in the cargo area of my wagon kinda helped but by far splurge on good tires, youll be glad you did
Fresh tires are always good. My wife's 1999 Honda Civic had the Michelin tires on it for 10 years and I noticed it was wobbling all over the road. I replaced them and found out the actually had CRACKED on the inside due to age. replaced with new Michelin tires and You are Correct! Nice ride!
Lon Willis michelins are good but they dry rot and when that starts you better hurry and get some tire money ready because they go fast then. Their great tires if you can swing the price but they all dry rot before they actually where from normal use for the people I knew that owned them.
Tires over 6 years old are dangerous as they might have dry rot on the inside you cannot see causing blowouts and maybe tire imbalance due to corrosion of the steel belts.
I’m glad you make this kind of video of how to get rid of interior noise because I was trying to get rid of my noise and didn’t find nothing and didn’t even know what to do or if it was possible.
Okay, so i am now halfway through the video. When you commented about money being tied up in the Fairmont, thereby compromising your optimal wheel and tire selection, I got nervous. "What tires will Eric put on there? Kumhos? Conti's? Or...[gasp]....something even lesser?" And then the Primacy A/Ss showed up on the screen. I breathed a big sigh of relief. All is well with the world. I haven't been easy on my set of them but man do I love them still, 20 months later. They handle heat cycles very well. I don't even have the V rated ones and they still haven't fallen apart at 121 mph....
Oh, absolutely! Just changing my noisy winter Hankooks with deep grooves and threads to my all season Michelins (Tour HP) makes a huge difference! The first week after the seasonal change to winters is always a disaster as I am extremely frustrated by any annoying sounds in the cabin. So it takes time to adjust. On the contrary: the first week of spring tire change and it's a blessing!
keep in mind , that different road surfaces will make a big difference in how a car behaves on the road , for instance in New Zealand , most roads are coarse volcanic chip seal , not tar seal , so regardless of tyre choice , road noise is a little higher .
EricTheCarGuy I find the Michelins on my Alfa Romeo a little noisier than the Bridgestone on my Holden Commodore , the Alfa is on 17" and the Holden on 18", On a side note New Zealand 🇳🇿 is basically one gigantic volcano
I don't know about now, but back when I drove a truck... Louisiana roads were the worse. When someone else was driving and you were sleeping, you always could tell as soon as you hit Louisiana. Absent that, go to Chicago in the city, some very nice houses and the streets between were like dirt roads with nothing but pot holes, I mean it was just one big ass pot hole.
My father gave me his 79 GMC pickup. Dad was retired and on a budget. He always put cheap car tires on the truck as he didn’t drive it very much and just needed it for and occasional dump run or trip to the hardware store. The first thing I did was put some real truck tires on it. Just like your video all tires were not in horrible shape. The ride difference was remarkable. So I decided to also change the shock absorbency out. Behaves like a completely different vehicle.
When I bought my Ford Five Hundred as a clean used car, it had Goodyear Comfortread series tires - silky smooth ride, super quiet but not puncture resistant at all. When they aged I had Yokohama tires installed and they were horrible - noisy, hard, rough. The tire dealer swapped them out for Michelins (I just had to pay the difference) and they are much better but the noise level is still high, tar strips are hard. It really pays to search out feedback comments on your model car at sites like Tire Rack and read what others are running into.
I hate how everyone just generically talks about brands of Tires like that is all you need to know. It would be like someone asking what car you drive and all you can manage to tell them is "Honda." There is a lot of difference from one tire to another, even within the same brand of say Michelin or Goodyear.
On a DC2 Integra, road noise from new or old tyres enter the vehicle most easily via: 1. Front subframe mounting points (below your feet and front passenger's feet). Inside the car, identify that spot, and stick 3 small pieces of Dynamat or equivalent on top if it. 2. Front A pillar...you can shoot expanding foam inside. 3. Vertical gap directly behind your 2 door hinges...road + tyre noise from wheel fender area. This is a serious achiles heel in any Honda from that area. You'll need to remove fender liner, stick insulation materials to liner + use waterproof closed-cell foam or butyl rubber sheet (rolled up) to be stuffed into that vertical gap. Huge difference in in-cabin noise level.
New Tires Fresh spongy rubber compounds always will quieter….. After 2 years the rubber will harden up and you will notice the difference not only in harshness of the ride but road noise as well......I love when tires are brand new especially Michelins.
Well done and it's good not to be super scientific. You proved your point without spending days on planning and prep. Well done Sir. Now bring that Fairmont down to Florida and let's have some fun. I have plenty of room and the car will be in the garage just crash at my place. ~Dave
I agree on getting good quality tires but do have to say I have always run mine to the wear bars. Yes tires do degrade but you should always drive sensibly know the limits of your vehicle. If you can afford to change your tires sooner than later great not all of us have that luxury.
I very much agree with you. I have a separate set of summer and winter tires. My current set of summer tires are Michelin Defenders, their mid-range tire. This is my fourth year of running them (in the past I ran them year round). Eric would probably replace them, but they still have probably 50-70% of their tread left. Yes, they definitely have gotten harder (the Defenders are a hard tire when new...they are 90,000 mile tires), but I can't afford to pay $600 for new tires every 2 or 3 years. Especially as I am just running them in the summer, I could get away with running them down until they are truly worn out, which I intend to. They do have some cracking around the tread, which I think is odd for a 4 year old Michelin, but I guess other people have the same issue with Michelins. It's not going to affect anything yet. Anyhow, my point is just that Eric has great general advice, but removing oldish tires with lots of tread on him (like he removes in this video) does cost you money.
Great very HELPFUL video , a ROAD NOISE can ALSO be MISDIAGNOSED by you or your mechanic as a WHEEL BEARING issue, when in fact are the TIRES..just learned this the hard way ( $$$$) . Changed all 4 WHEEL BEARINGS = ROAD NOISE still there....were the TIRES.
Hey dude, apart from having a shave which might have decreased the total weight, you had the sunroof blind closed on the second test... this might have affected the results!
Michelins are the best tire made, period. I have the exact same tires on my Corolla. Have 35,000 miles on them and they still look brand new. Great ride and handling as well, especially in rainstorms.
HUGE difference in noise levels. BUT I think most of that is Yokohama Envigor vs. Michelin Premier A/S. Consumer Reports rates tires by noise levels and there are measurable differences. The only way you could eliminate the brand variable would be to buy two complete sets of the same brand and model of tire then put the unused set on years later. BTW I'm not sure whether it is warm/cold cycles that age the tires (or just heat in general) BUT modern tires all come with production dates on the rim and are not supposed to be kept in use after 6 years, even if they spent the last 6 years on the warehouse rack, in storage. How's that for something that can bite you in the butt in terms of safety degradation? abcnews.go.com/Blotter/tire-industry-fighting-legislation-aged-tires-off-road/story
Here in Phoenix the tire pros say you should not keep tires more than 4 years. Thank God I found out about Aerospace 303. We need it here for all rubber and plastic.
Been following you since 2012. Great content 👌 👏 👍 very informative. When I started watching you it was because I was doing a Civic EK H22 swap. After that, LS Vtec Integra Dc2. Then I moved into the Lexus family eventually being lucky enough owning an ISF FBO TUNE. Totaled that and got an "12 C63AMG. Too many headaches with the AMG so now I'm back in a Lexus "16 IS350 F SPORT. My point is.... I've followed you all this time and you've never let your audience down. I applaud you and look to keep on seeing more great content! Keep on keepin on! 💪💪
EJ flores I own about 12 cars Toyota Lexus are very dependable .. I got 309k miles out of a gmc 8.1 no engine or trans problems sold it .. I own a rx350 and a lx570 both great crossover and suv
@@ejflores9151 Hahaha with *michelins* Lol you can put a fucking cheap continental on the Lexus and it will ride smoother than a pos FixOrRepairDaily. Now with that said Michelin with Lexus pairing equals a fucking Rolls Royce killer on quiet and smooth rides. Yeah Rolls may be a more prestigious car brand, but what Lexus offers for the money with RELIABILITY something ford and RR definitely lacks, you can't beat it and is why they are the number 1 vehicle brand along with Toyota sold not just in the U.S but around the world.
People are seriously debating This? This is akin to sleeping is much easier lying down, if you are standing up you will likely not get to REM sleep. I find that by eating 3 meals a day vs not eating for 3 days gives me more energy and I think clearer. Closing and locking your front door seems to keep wildlife, transients, and hobos, wine-os, and squatters out of your home. We tried leaving my front door open for a week and a sign out front- free food, beer, and cable tv. When I returned home it just proved my point because EVERYTHING was stolen and someone pooped in our sink. BRILLANT VIDEO!!! EARTH SHATTERING REVELATIONS!!
EDIT: RUclips Red is not available in my country. Original comment: I always make sure I pay interest to the ads which pop up on the videos of creators I like. Been folowin ETCG for more than 3 years now, but I never see ads. I see yellow mark on the timeline, where ad should show, but I never see the advertisment itself. And I don't use any stuff to block ads, I perfectly understand where the income is coming from. And I see ads on the videos of other creators. My point is, maybe there's something wrong with your monetization settings and maybe this is an issue on a bigger scale.
I have a Ford Escort (2007 Model) which had very quiet tires when I first got it in 2008, and I noticed that after I had an accident where I ran over some electrical wiring which someone had knocked down on the road, the SUV was louder on the highways and it didn't stop. Since I can't afford to change the tires on this vehicle all the time and since the tires on it is so expensive to replace (Michelin), I am waiting for the tires to wear down before replacing them. I am glad that I viewed this video, and learned something new.
good job explaining.i get all paranoid sometimes when the radio is off and i hear all this noise.makes sense too! I have seen the tires at the used car lot and a lot of them have a lot of thread,but they are like you explained,dry and hard. cool video man. thanks a lot for this tip 😉
Facts, I recently bought a car from someone. The tires still had plenty of tread but they were so cracked it looked like it had been sitting for a while. I only had enough money to replace 2 tires for the moment, which were placed on the rear, and I noticed there was a hell of a lot of noise going on. Upon a closer listen you can tell it's coming from the 2 older tires that are still in the front. The noise is so significant I actually have to turn my radio up when going highway speeds just to be able to hear it good.
The U.S. Tire Manufacturers Association would like to thank from the bottom of their hearts. 😉 Seriously though. I agree new tires are awesome, but only for a very short time in my experience. Those virgin tires are like butter. Maybe all the hot cold cycles they endure like you said.
Couldnt agree more, Eric. Tires are the most important part of the car! I know you're very partial to Michelins, and thats what pushed me to buy a set for my Civic. (I got the X-ice Xi3) They were incredible in the winter; I didnt know a winter tire could be so quiet and smooth. Now that it's summer, I have the Nokian zLines on the car. They are lightyears ahead of the stock Firestones that were on the car when I bought it.
So all in all, generally its about peoples preference with regard to the types of tires..kinda like choosing your own insurance companies...freedom to choose. Thanks for the video..Erich the car guy!
Thoroughly Clean then Spray "303" on the entire tire. Let it sit, and for gods sake, don't wipe it off. Then drive the car. Do not do this process on a rainy day, or if the roads are wet. After a few miles, the tires will be ok for wet conditions. This will keep the rubber nice and supple. It's sold ad big box auto stores, but is $16 for a spray bottle where armour all is $4. BUT it's worth it. Spray your belts too.
Great video Eric. I replaced 5 tyres last year yes even the spare and get them rotated every 6 months. Best investment I have ever made. Smoother ride indead. Almost like you with the vigor my ride cost $900 then the Tyres cost $700. I see your point. Cheers!
I doubt you have a 2009 Integra, they stopped making them in 2001. It is a great car though. You can't have it. ;) I waited 15 years for it. ruclips.net/video/H0Ij-vONzfA/видео.html
I bought my 2008 TSX in March of 2016 and it had Cooper CS5 Touring tires with many miles on them (I actually have no idea when they were installed). The car didn't drive straight, made tons of noise, and I thought it was an alignment issue. Come April 2017, my mechanic says the tires are shot. Instead of cheaping out, I invested in the Michelin Premier A/S 215/55/R17. They made an incredible difference. I just finished a 250 mile road trip, and the experience was awesome. Hands down the best purchase I've made for my car (outside of actually buying it lol).
I have found that for me to get a quieter ride and with cooler running tires, I have had them filled with nitrogen. It doesn't give the tires that heat up and cool down cycle and saves the tires. So far, we have 62,000 miles on the first set of tires and have had no problems with them! We also have not had to add air to them--we have the tire pressure monitoring system on our 2013 Dodge Grand Caravan Crew.
Of course those are "quiet" tires. They are all season tires that costs $150 a piece. xD However, for a GSR, you'd rather have stickie UHPS tires like Yokohama S drive. The one you took off was high performance all season.
Maybe reword "most important purchase" to best return on investment upgrade. At least, that's usually the case for most mid-range to economy vehicles. As someone who has raced/driven on both cheap and expensive rubber, I fully agree with what you're saying. Good tires can both improve ride AND handling over cheap tires. You can spend a small fortune on a nice suspension set up and feel little difference of you're still rolling on off-brand Chinese rubber.
Thanks for the video. Super spot on. Have had many a struggle with tires. Tires are NOT cheap and it sucks $ bad when you choose wrong. Takes a bit to find just the right balance.
Nice video Eric, though I need to say the noise is also a function of the thread shape, for instance mud tyres make more noise. it is also true that each manufacturer publishes the noise level (probably when the tyre is new). so a fair comparison would be using the same tyre type in both tests
About 2 months ago I put brand new tires on my Envoy. When I got my Envoy 2 years ago it had brand new Good Year Fortera tires on it, and when I pulled them off, they had about 20% left. I pulled them off to put brand new Cooper Discoverer HTs on it, and it is insane how much quieter than it was, even when the Good Years were new.
It is really worth it to buy good tires. Not necessarily expensive tires, but good tires. I put Michelins on my car and instantly, the steering was so much better and I simply couldn't believe how much quieter the car was. The tread looks non-aggressive, almost like straight lines, but the snow and rain traction is excellent. When deciding on a tire, do your homework online, look at reviews and ask others.
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THANK YOU!!! I've been looking at all kinds of videos to reduce tire noise, and NO one has had the brains you did to test the car on the same road under the same conditions to compare the before and after results, leaving me to rely on their 'opinion' alone. You seem to be the only one with common sense. Much appreciated!
The most honest mechanic I've seen in my life time. Wish this guy live in my area. He's the truth....ERIC
Check out south main auto on youtube aswell! His name is Eric aswell and just as honest!
Scotty Kilmer also
Chris fix can't forget that
Decibels are a logarithmic scale, with 6 DBA increace equating to doubling of the sound pressure. Hence going fom 72dBA to 66dBA is half as loud and a significant difference. Thankyou for the video Eric.
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@@akalkevin the fuck kinda comment is that even? You clearly hate knowledge, and it shows.. dumbass 😂
@akalkevin you must not have known anything about DB if you called him a geek 😂
Congratulations Eric , for producing a meaningful and pertinent video. Most content on RUclips is BS, people put all manner of meaningless crap to big-note themselves. You've hit the nail on the head with one of the most underrated aspects of motoring. People religiously change their motor oil every 2000 miles but put on the cheap tyres ? Go and ride a motorbike and you learn a lot about adhesion and impact of surface area. And in my old age, I've learnt to appreciate comfort in it's various forms, including reducing / elimination of unnecessary background noise. So well done bringing this into the spotlight.
Eric does a great job once again. I have had great looking tires with good tread and they are noisy and ride rough over bumps. Put new tires on and it's almost like buying a new car for two years. Great points made Eric and thank you.
What tires did you go for?
If you really want it even quieter, coating areas of the under body with a dynamat type material help significantly. Usually most of the sound comes in from the shift tunnel area
I didn't know the shift tunnel area was the main source. Thank you.
Yup lift the carpet and lint the inrtior floors, firewall etc then put the carpet back - huge difference
You're absolutely right. about new tires and less road noise. One observation about your noise level measurement. In test one the sunroof cover was open and in test 2 it is closed. This will make a difference in your measurements. In my car it's quieter with it closed.
Chris Stith that made his test irrelevant, the cover open vs closed makes a big difference in my Jag.
Chris Stith The window is closed in both, it's just the shade that's closed in the second one.
That's why he said cover. Cover/shade, same thing.
yeah i have that on my car too and there is a sound difference with it opened and closed. i can even tell with radio
Same thing in my Lexus. Wind noise is way more noticeable with it open vs the closed.
When I bought my TL, the previous owner recently installed Michelin tires. I never had that brand before and was blown away by how good they were.
I am a tire fanatic myself. I learned it the hard way, when I was young I preferred to put my money into car speakers and shit, and drove on second hand tires. People just do not realize that it is just as important as having good shoes. Does not matter if you wear crappy jeans and shirts, but shoes are the most important piece of clothing you wear, with tires is the same.
like me, at first shitty audio then performance the quicker the better but shitty tyres brakes and shocks etc now ive got an awesome set of tyres, fast road setup good schocks an brake upgrades on an engine wise completely stock type r and im happy as fuck.
I think my feet are heavy. This means I have steel rims on my car and they are a full inch wider than I want them to be. Because the width of the tire also play a big role in the noise. So I want to have small rims and small tires. And I believe the weight of the wheel also play a big role in the car performance like accelerating and braking.
Second hand tires and the like are dangerous and will cost you money soon.
@@recon1071 how so? Is this anecdotal or empirical?
😄 Back in the 70's, when I had no money, I used to always check out the used tire racks at the gas stations. My friends gave me grief about it but I never had problems with my selections. After awhile you know what's good and what's not. It was actually kind of fun getting a steal vs buying new. I don't know if they still sell used tires or not.
As a viewer, with the old tires fitted I can hear the tire noise easily! In the second part, with the new tires, I can't hear the tires, but the engine, so this is where 67dbs come from, which means the improvement is way larger than what the meter shows! Great video!
a drop from 72.5 db (average) to 67.5 db (average) is 5 db. 3 db less means HALF the sound intensity and 10 db less means HALF the perceived sound volume. So... 5 db less is a big ass drop in volume.
I was about to say this too! It's easy to think "eh, 5db that's not much" - it really is a big change in volume.
I install tires daily and I must say, Michelin's are good tires. They have siping that goes all the way through the tread so they still preform good after they wear past 50%. Great video Eric, very good information to know 👍
New tires on my 06 Saturn Vue made all the difference several years ago. I made a 200 mile trip on the old ones to find they was so noisy and out of balance I could barely drive 70 mph. They didn't look bad for being 4 years old with 45,000 miles. The new ones was so quiet and no problem driving at 75 mph. I think one had a broken belt. I'm now running Goodyear tires.
I have a family member that worked for Goodyear corporate. He says tires are good for 4 year and or 40,000 miles. After that the tires tend to start break down.
I enjoy your repair videos. They always help me trouble shoot problems. Even the farimount videos has helped me decide I can not afford a project car.
Thanks Eric!!!!!!
"all my money is tied up in the Fairmont." That is the ONLY time in the history of humanity that that sentence has been said.
thank you for the effort of making this video.
I agree with you 100%. I am very sensitive to noisy tyres myself.
Ideally, when budget allows, I have them changed every 1.5 -2yrs, even though I don't put in too much miles in them.
The ride and sound of driving with new tyres are just so satisfying, which I can also see in your face after the changed.
It is like I was there with you.
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Whomever has the idea that tires don't make a difference should get a bicycle and ride it from time to time. Man oh man do tires affect everything in cars. Ride, sound, performance both on road, and statistics. And it's funny that a simple bicycle can teach you so much about them.
aserta great point.
Now that's what I call a valid point. Thank you, sir, great video.
If you can hear your tyres while driving, your exhaust isn't loud enough.
yep
who is that photo off of? i have seen it around the net
farerse Haven't got a clue mate. Found the piccy a couple of years ago.
If you can hear your tyres while driving, your engine's stopped working.
On my car the engine is there to make power, not noise.
A little late to seeing this video but still worth commenting on. The basic conclusions you came to are spot on. I have a 2003 BMW X5 that originally came with Michelin tires when new. For the first 100K miles at about 10 years, I stayed true to replacing them with the same tires when needed. Little did I know that on my AWD SUV that if one tire when bad you had to replace all 4 at the same time. Do that a couple of times and it gets quite expensive. I decided to switch to Cooper tires which were about half the price of the Michelins. Right off the bat there was a huge difference in the way the vehicle handled and the amount of noise coming inside. It has not been a pleasant experience. As you probably know, BMW's quickly become money pits after several years. In the last 2 years I've sunk over $12K in repairs: oil leaks, rebuilt transmission, new brakes rotors, etc etc etc. I'm trapped into keeping it as I'll never get any of my money back if I sold it. With 175K miles now on it, I've decided to keep it until the wheels fall off. As such I intend to switch back to the original Michelins when the time comes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The secret to a quiet ride? Leave the wife and kids at home!
Which is why I'm much happier after the divorce (=
8700s14
I can tell by your comment you're a happy family Man!
wow, that's a bit harsh? It was just a harmless joke.
I tried that but if I do that she think i'm chilling with another woman lol
8700s14 You can't joke anymore! it seems that RUclips Folk have lost their sense of humor, I always joke and people always complain! so now I do it even more! It's true women can't stop talking, they only stop when they need to breath, as for the idiot that invented the mobile phone? silence has gone forever, we are doomed I tell ya!
Bravo! You have made a video that I can show my teenager and they will understand. I've always appreciated videos like this where you teach basics and can't wait to see more!
You must have stupid kids
It would be interesting to record the noise levels every 5000 miles and make a graph. Depending on the tire brand of course, I imagine it would shoot up around 20000 miles.
Thanks for an interesting and informative video.
My Father was a auto mechanic for over 50 years.Front wheel drive unibody cars are a unique challenge for decreasing road noise.I put those same tires on my 2012 corolla and agree completely.
Does anyone else get goosebumps when you see that iconic 8k redline tach?.... Be still my heart
Once I got a set of Michelin Premiere AS tires for my 05 accord my car I love my overall ride quality and its better than when i first bought the car! I have to thank you back from the tire junky video and other tire videos and the suggestion for Michelin on Hondas @EricTheCarGuy! I hope you have a wonderful day!
Couldn't agree with you more about getting the best possible tire for your car/truck. I was driving from Breckenridge, CO to Denver, CO and hit a very icy/slushy patch of highway and almost lost control with my family in the car. Thank God I had good quality tires. I would have lost control if I had sub-par tires.
Shawn Briggs
You can't possibly guarantee this claim.
I've had newer grippier tires sound louder than the tires they replaced because of more aggressive tread with deeper siping. Also stopped issues with hydroplaning and were better in the winter, so I considered it a worthwhile trade-off given all the other characteristics. Sometimes noise comes with the application, winter or all-season vs. summer only, etc.
Hey Eric, I just noticed, the first time you tested, the sunroof cover was open, on the second test it is closed. I myself drive a car similarly equipped and I notice a difference in ambient noise when open vs. shut. It would be interesting to see if there is a change just from that?
It makes a difference for my 2007 Lexus GS 350 when I have the sunroof shade open and closed. It's has less noise when shade is closed.
I do agree good tires help a ton. But a closed sunroof and sunroof shade helps too.
@C Hansen he's referring to the shade, not the glass itself. Big difference for me too in my 4runner
@Mr Hansen he was referring to the shade not the sunroof...
@Mr Hansen Lol you're so fragile
Tires made a HUGE difference on my volvo. I also notice a big difference when my sunroof cover is open vs closed. Keeping a wool blanket in the cargo area of my wagon kinda helped but by far splurge on good tires, youll be glad you did
Don't forget proper alignment and balancing effects tire noise level as well. Your point about new tires is true a well illustrated.
Fresh tires are always good.
My wife's 1999 Honda Civic had the Michelin tires on it for 10 years and I noticed it was wobbling all over the road.
I replaced them and found out the actually had CRACKED on the inside due to age.
replaced with new Michelin tires and You are Correct! Nice ride!
Lon Willis 10 years? Wow
Lon Willis michelins are good but they dry rot and when that starts you better hurry and get some tire money ready because they go fast then. Their great tires if you can swing the price but they all dry rot before they actually where from normal use for the people I knew that owned them.
Lon Willis I inherited a 99 Acura TL in 2009 and it still had the original tires on it!
lol wut loool
Tires over 6 years old are dangerous as they might have dry rot on the inside you cannot see causing blowouts and maybe tire imbalance due to corrosion of the steel belts.
I’m glad you make this kind of video of how to get rid of interior noise because I was trying to get rid of my noise and didn’t find nothing and didn’t even know what to do or if it was possible.
05:31 - Your camera man is hiding in the footwell.
Jim Griffiths he lives there
Okay, so i am now halfway through the video. When you commented about money being tied up in the Fairmont, thereby compromising your optimal wheel and tire selection, I got nervous. "What tires will Eric put on there? Kumhos? Conti's? Or...[gasp]....something even lesser?" And then the Primacy A/Ss showed up on the screen. I breathed a big sigh of relief. All is well with the world.
I haven't been easy on my set of them but man do I love them still, 20 months later. They handle heat cycles very well. I don't even have the V rated ones and they still haven't fallen apart at 121 mph....
4:55 I'm glad this wasn't a spiel for the Dollar Shave Club.
Holy Toledo what a difference in the sound, Great job Eric!!!
110% agree. I've always noticed how much quieter and smoother the ride in my vehicles are after getting new tires.
Thanks for pointing my thinking to the amount of heat cycles tires have had and not just remaining tread life as a consideration for replacement.
Oh, absolutely! Just changing my noisy winter Hankooks with deep grooves and threads to my all season Michelins (Tour HP) makes a huge difference! The first week after the seasonal change to winters is always a disaster as I am extremely frustrated by any annoying sounds in the cabin. So it takes time to adjust. On the contrary: the first week of spring tire change and it's a blessing!
keep in mind , that different road surfaces will make a big difference in how a car behaves on the road , for instance in New Zealand , most roads are coarse volcanic chip seal , not tar seal , so regardless of tyre choice , road noise is a little higher .
You are correct, that's the reason I chose a freshly paved road for the test in the video.
EricTheCarGuy
I find the Michelins on my Alfa Romeo a little noisier than the Bridgestone on my Holden Commodore , the Alfa is on 17" and the Holden on 18",
On a side note New Zealand 🇳🇿 is basically one gigantic volcano
commodore665 our New Zealand roads are cheap, nasty, and shocking at best.
Which puts them about 10 levels above Michigan roads...worst roads in the country... :(
I don't know about now, but back when I drove a truck... Louisiana roads were the worse. When someone else was driving and you were sleeping, you always could tell as soon as you hit Louisiana.
Absent that, go to Chicago in the city, some very nice houses and the streets between were like dirt roads with nothing but pot holes, I mean it was just one big ass pot hole.
My father gave me his 79 GMC pickup. Dad was retired and on a budget. He always put cheap car tires on the truck as he didn’t drive it very much and just needed it for and occasional dump run or trip to the hardware store. The first thing I did was put some real truck tires on it. Just like your video all tires were not in horrible shape. The ride difference was remarkable. So I decided to also change the shock absorbency out. Behaves like a completely different vehicle.
When I bought my Ford Five Hundred as a clean used car, it had Goodyear Comfortread series tires - silky smooth ride, super quiet but not puncture resistant at all. When they aged I had Yokohama tires installed and they were horrible - noisy, hard, rough. The tire dealer swapped them out for Michelins (I just had to pay the difference) and they are much better but the noise level is still high, tar strips are hard. It really pays to search out feedback comments on your model car at sites like Tire Rack and read what others are running into.
Alan Maier go Michelin
So did you just not read his comment at all Michael? lol
Wrex Wrecks yes. That's meant as in always go Michelin. Don't even second guess it
I hate how everyone just generically talks about brands of Tires like that is all you need to know. It would be like someone asking what car you drive and all you can manage to tell them is "Honda." There is a lot of difference from one tire to another, even within the same brand of say Michelin or Goodyear.
Alan Maier
The Goodyear comfortreds are very quiet. I had them on my van.
On a DC2 Integra, road noise from new or old tyres enter the vehicle most easily via:
1. Front subframe mounting points (below your feet and front passenger's feet). Inside the car, identify that spot, and stick 3 small pieces of Dynamat or equivalent on top if it.
2. Front A pillar...you can shoot expanding foam inside.
3. Vertical gap directly behind your 2 door hinges...road + tyre noise from wheel fender area. This is a serious achiles heel in any Honda from that area. You'll need to remove fender liner, stick insulation materials to liner + use waterproof closed-cell foam or butyl rubber sheet (rolled up) to be stuffed into that vertical gap. Huge difference in in-cabin noise level.
Great Vid Eric ! I learn something new everyday from your channel
I dont know why but, when you changed tyres to the new ones it was pretty satisfying to watch :)
New Tires Fresh spongy rubber compounds always will quieter….. After 2 years the rubber will harden up and you will notice the difference not only in harshness of the ride but road noise as well......I love when tires are brand new especially Michelins.
Well done and it's good not to be super scientific. You proved your point without spending days on planning and prep. Well done Sir. Now bring that Fairmont down to Florida and let's have some fun. I have plenty of room and the car will be in the garage just crash at my place. ~Dave
I agree on getting good quality tires but do have to say I have always run mine to the wear bars. Yes tires do degrade but you should always drive sensibly know the limits of your vehicle. If you can afford to change your tires sooner than later great not all of us have that luxury.
I very much agree with you. I have a separate set of summer and winter tires. My current set of summer tires are Michelin Defenders, their mid-range tire. This is my fourth year of running them (in the past I ran them year round). Eric would probably replace them, but they still have probably 50-70% of their tread left. Yes, they definitely have gotten harder (the Defenders are a hard tire when new...they are 90,000 mile tires), but I can't afford to pay $600 for new tires every 2 or 3 years. Especially as I am just running them in the summer, I could get away with running them down until they are truly worn out, which I intend to. They do have some cracking around the tread, which I think is odd for a 4 year old Michelin, but I guess other people have the same issue with Michelins. It's not going to affect anything yet.
Anyhow, my point is just that Eric has great general advice, but removing oldish tires with lots of tread on him (like he removes in this video) does cost you money.
Sensible 90 miles an hour.
when you wear through the metal its time to replace them
I drive slower and more cautious not that I am over the hill. But's it's 80-90 MPH on long road trips. Got to trust your car to do that.
Great very HELPFUL video , a ROAD NOISE can ALSO be MISDIAGNOSED by you or your mechanic as a WHEEL BEARING issue, when in fact are the TIRES..just learned this the hard way ( $$$$) . Changed all 4 WHEEL BEARINGS = ROAD NOISE still there....were the TIRES.
Is it coincidence that the tyres @ 0:39 have Vigor written on them? I think not
SuperLaugh20. OEM made just for that production vehicle.
nah...put on by the previous owner
I like the artistic shots. Makes this seem more raw and candid.
Hey dude, apart from having a shave which might have decreased the total weight, you had the sunroof blind closed on the second test... this might have affected the results!
Michelins are the best tire made, period. I have the exact same tires on my Corolla. Have 35,000 miles on them and they still look brand new. Great ride and handling as well, especially in rainstorms.
HUGE difference in noise levels. BUT I think most of that is Yokohama Envigor vs. Michelin Premier A/S. Consumer Reports rates tires by noise levels and there are measurable differences. The only way you could eliminate the brand variable would be to buy two complete sets of the same brand and model of tire then put the unused set on years later.
BTW I'm not sure whether it is warm/cold cycles that age the tires (or just heat in general) BUT modern tires all come with production dates on the rim and are not supposed to be kept in use after 6 years, even if they spent the last 6 years on the warehouse rack, in storage. How's that for something that can bite you in the butt in terms of safety degradation? abcnews.go.com/Blotter/tire-industry-fighting-legislation-aged-tires-off-road/story
Here in Phoenix the tire pros say you should not keep tires more than 4 years. Thank God I found out about Aerospace 303. We need it here for all rubber and plastic.
Been following you since 2012. Great content 👌 👏 👍 very informative. When I started watching you it was because I was doing a Civic EK H22 swap. After that, LS Vtec Integra Dc2. Then I moved into the Lexus family eventually being lucky enough owning an ISF FBO TUNE. Totaled that and got an "12 C63AMG. Too many headaches with the AMG so now I'm back in a Lexus "16 IS350 F SPORT.
My point is.... I've followed you all this time and you've never let your audience down. I applaud you and look to keep on seeing more great content!
Keep on keepin on! 💪💪
My secret for a quiet ride is a Lexus
yukk lexus piece of toyota shit.. Ford is better with michelins
EJ flores I own about 12 cars Toyota Lexus are very dependable .. I got 309k miles out of a gmc 8.1 no engine or trans problems sold it .. I own a rx350 and a lx570 both great crossover and suv
@@ejflores9151 Hahaha with *michelins* Lol you can put a fucking cheap continental on the Lexus and it will ride smoother than a pos FixOrRepairDaily. Now with that said Michelin with Lexus pairing equals a fucking Rolls Royce killer on quiet and smooth rides. Yeah Rolls may be a more prestigious car brand, but what Lexus offers for the money with RELIABILITY something ford and RR definitely lacks, you can't beat it and is why they are the number 1 vehicle brand along with Toyota sold not just in the U.S but around the world.
Just installed premium Ltx Michelin’s on my rx350 and michelin tour on my lx570
What’s the difference between the As and the premier ltx ?
Thank you! Great video and illustration of tire noise reduction and performance.
It's a logarithmic scale, so 65 is 10X less than 75
DBa
-10dB is roughly half as loud but it was more like -5dB.
People are seriously debating This? This is akin to sleeping is much easier lying down, if you are standing up you will likely not get to REM sleep.
I find that by eating 3 meals a day vs not eating for 3 days gives me more energy and I think clearer.
Closing and locking your front door seems to keep wildlife, transients, and hobos, wine-os, and squatters out of your home. We tried leaving my front door open for a week and a sign out front- free food, beer, and cable tv. When I returned home it just proved my point because EVERYTHING was stolen and someone pooped in our sink.
BRILLANT VIDEO!!!
EARTH SHATTERING REVELATIONS!!
The secret to a quiet ride: Don't buy a Miata.
So true!
or s2000
Or a Honda FIT!!!!!
i keep ear defenders in one of my cars its so bad. and its a diesel engine so not got a loud exhaust.
I used to wear ear plugs when taking my Miata on the interstate.
Before I even watched a second of the video or looked at the description, I knew you were going to talk about tires. Yay for tires!
EDIT: RUclips Red is not available in my country. Original comment: I always make sure I pay interest to the ads which pop up on the videos of creators I like. Been folowin ETCG for more than 3 years now, but I never see ads. I see yellow mark on the timeline, where ad should show, but I never see the advertisment itself. And I don't use any stuff to block ads, I perfectly understand where the income is coming from. And I see ads on the videos of other creators. My point is, maybe there's something wrong with your monetization settings and maybe this is an issue on a bigger scale.
Garage Dilettante, I saw the same thing, that's not right because I think Eric is monetizing.
Of course he is. Everyone, who lives off youtube, is monetizing
So you may be on to something when you said "...on a bigger scale". I have seen commercials play on his videos, but I did not see it on this one.
It happens sometimes, that there are no ad impressions on certain videos at certain moments, but the fact is I NEVER see ANY ads on ETCG videos.
That is very strange.
I have a Ford Escort (2007 Model) which had very quiet tires when I first got it in 2008, and I noticed that after I had an accident where I ran over some electrical wiring which someone had knocked down on the road, the SUV was louder on the highways and it didn't stop. Since I can't afford to change the tires on this vehicle all the time and since the tires on it is so expensive to replace (Michelin), I am waiting for the tires to wear down before replacing them. I am glad that I viewed this video, and learned something new.
good job explaining.i get all paranoid sometimes when the radio is off and i hear all this noise.makes sense too! I have seen the tires at the used car lot and a lot of them have a lot of thread,but they are like you explained,dry and hard.
cool video man.
thanks a lot for this tip 😉
Facts, I recently bought a car from someone. The tires still had plenty of tread but they were so cracked it looked like it had been sitting for a while. I only had enough money to replace 2 tires for the moment, which were placed on the rear, and I noticed there was a hell of a lot of noise going on. Upon a closer listen you can tell it's coming from the 2 older tires that are still in the front. The noise is so significant I actually have to turn my radio up when going highway speeds just to be able to hear it good.
The U.S. Tire Manufacturers Association would like to thank from the bottom of their hearts. 😉
Seriously though. I agree new tires are awesome, but only for a very short time in my experience. Those virgin tires are like butter. Maybe all the hot cold cycles they endure like you said.
Would've been interesting if you bought same Yokohama model for a true new to old test
Exactly. Were the differences in sound due to the age of the tires or the fact that they were completely different tires?
951k subscribers!? woah.. haven't watch for ages but remember some years ago when you were doing simple videos in a garage. Cool man
Spend 350$ to reduce road noise by 8 decibels great idea eric
mian fazle razik
8 decibels is a lot. The scale is based on logarithmic principals.
8 decibels is 8 times quieter than the original reading...
8 decibels is actually 6.25 times quiter :p
Couldnt agree more, Eric. Tires are the most important part of the car! I know you're very partial to Michelins, and thats what pushed me to buy a set for my Civic. (I got the X-ice Xi3) They were incredible in the winter; I didnt know a winter tire could be so quiet and smooth. Now that it's summer, I have the Nokian zLines on the car. They are lightyears ahead of the stock Firestones that were on the car when I bought it.
Oddly enough, the same applies to bicycles. Installing different tires on a bicycle is the most effective way to improve its ride quality.
So all in all, generally its about peoples preference with regard to the types of tires..kinda like choosing your own insurance companies...freedom to choose. Thanks for the video..Erich the car guy!
Thoroughly Clean then Spray "303" on the entire tire. Let it sit, and for gods sake, don't wipe it off. Then drive the car. Do not do this process on a rainy day, or if the roads are wet. After a few miles, the tires will be ok for wet conditions. This will keep the rubber nice and supple. It's sold ad big box auto stores, but is $16 for a spray bottle where armour all is $4. BUT it's worth it. Spray your belts too.
I replaced the tires on my Prius with a more premium brand and was stunned at how much quieter it was.
Which tires from to?
maybe refinish the rims
The noises those machines make is so awesome.
I'm really liking these type of videos, variety is nice sometimes.
New tire are notoriously slippery and take a few days to break in to where they can stop a car at their best.
Robert Jensen: true
Great video Eric. I replaced 5 tyres last year yes even the spare and get them rotated every 6 months. Best investment I have ever made. Smoother ride indead. Almost like you with the vigor my ride cost $900 then the Tyres cost $700. I see your point. Cheers!
That Integra has ONLY 101,000 miles!!! Our 2009 Kia Sorento has almost 200,000, I WANT THAT CAR!
Astral Auto Repairs thing is a baby compared to most craigslist hondas
Tyler Schwartz, heck yeah, and those cars are selling like hot cakes!
My 86 integra has a whopping 60k on it
Astral Auto Repairs I had a 95 Integra with 320k before the automatic trans went out completely.
I doubt you have a 2009 Integra, they stopped making them in 2001. It is a great car though. You can't have it. ;) I waited 15 years for it. ruclips.net/video/H0Ij-vONzfA/видео.html
I agree. Tires most important. They hold vehicle to the road, stopping, going, turning, and comfort.
I bought my 2008 TSX in March of 2016 and it had Cooper CS5 Touring tires with many miles on them (I actually have no idea when they were installed). The car didn't drive straight, made tons of noise, and I thought it was an alignment issue. Come April 2017, my mechanic says the tires are shot. Instead of cheaping out, I invested in the Michelin Premier A/S 215/55/R17.
They made an incredible difference. I just finished a 250 mile road trip, and the experience was awesome. Hands down the best purchase I've made for my car (outside of actually buying it lol).
I miss my GSR! I had a green ‘98 years ago! Super fun and quick. Still probably my favorite car I’ve owned.
I'd love to have a tire machine and balancer in my garage. I'd be the favorite person of all the neighborhood. ;)
I have found that for me to get a quieter ride and with cooler running tires, I have had them filled with nitrogen. It doesn't give the tires that heat up and cool down cycle and saves the tires. So far, we have 62,000 miles on the first set of tires and have had no problems with them! We also have not had to add air to them--we have the tire pressure monitoring system on our 2013 Dodge Grand Caravan Crew.
Eric have a full shave just for shits and giggles, you'l feel and look 20 years younger!
He should start a video and at a random point not have a beard for no reason, but then end the video with the beard again.
Same clothes too
he should bring back the long rocker hair also...lol
Yeah,maybe in the winter time. Too hot in summer for long hair.
lezlethal remember his Pantera intro music lol
Wow! This was really interesting. Honestly, I had no idea about this. Thank you for the video!
Of course those are "quiet" tires. They are all season tires that costs $150 a piece. xD However, for a GSR, you'd rather have stickie UHPS tires like Yokohama S drive. The one you took off was high performance all season.
Maybe reword "most important purchase" to best return on investment upgrade. At least, that's usually the case for most mid-range to economy vehicles.
As someone who has raced/driven on both cheap and expensive rubber, I fully agree with what you're saying. Good tires can both improve ride AND handling over cheap tires. You can spend a small fortune on a nice suspension set up and feel little difference of you're still rolling on off-brand Chinese rubber.
Omg I didn't know you lived in my city HOLY SHIT
That looked like Sandusky. I live in Toledo so that's only a stone's throw away
Agreed. This along with alignment and balancing makes a world of difference.
Quiet ride you say...leave the wife at home niaaaa
Wow!! Even before readout there was quite a big audible difference.
I appreciate the effort on the shower and shave.
Thanks for the video. Super spot on. Have had many a struggle with tires. Tires are NOT cheap and it sucks $ bad when you choose wrong. Takes a bit to find just the right balance.
"Something that's pliable and sticky ends up being hard and not so sticky". My life.
I thought it starts out being hard and not so sticky, and ends up pliable and sticky. If you're doing it right.
Nice video Eric, though I need to say the noise is also a function of the thread shape, for instance mud tyres make more noise. it is also true that each manufacturer publishes the noise level (probably when the tyre is new). so a fair comparison would be using the same tyre type in both tests
2 minute video streched to 9
About 2 months ago I put brand new tires on my Envoy. When I got my Envoy 2 years ago it had brand new Good Year Fortera tires on it, and when I pulled them off, they had about 20% left. I pulled them off to put brand new Cooper Discoverer HTs on it, and it is insane how much quieter than it was, even when the Good Years were new.
This video should have been 3 minutes long
Great video! The type of experiment someone might like to do themselves (and know the answer to) but will never get around to doing.
I'm trying. ;)
It's working :-)
It is really worth it to buy good tires. Not necessarily expensive tires, but good tires. I put Michelins on my car and instantly, the steering was so much better and I simply couldn't believe how much quieter the car was.
The tread looks non-aggressive, almost like straight lines, but the snow and rain traction is excellent.
When deciding on a tire, do your homework online, look at reviews and ask others.
We appreciate the effort Eric!