A fitting end to The Dark Knight's story, or at least one of them. I love most of what I've read from Gaiman, his keen eye for imagination and inventiveness in storytelling is really what grabs me. Great video guys as always!
This certainly is one of my favorites, and if you're like me you can read this as a synthesis of Miller's Batman, who 'grounded' Batman as an unbalanced psycho savant who through the power of his mania changes the world to conform with his comic book moralities, and Morrison's Batman who is a near mythological and eternal force spanning eras of storytelling. But most of all it's just a good story. Great Show.
accurate as well. He was Bruces legal guardian and he essentially enabled a life styled that could only ever end with him being killed. Honestly, what type of responsible parent lets a 10 year old train to be an urban ninja that dress's up in a Halloween costume to fight gangsters and serial killers? Social services would be involved, charges would be brought........
Hey guys my Batman Black & White arrived in the mail today, what a pleasant surprise! Thanks again for the sketches you made and the kind words. You guys can draw, I'll treasure it always, thank you both!
Pete Marquez our pleasure Pete. I hope you’ll treasure that defaced Batbook for years to come! Thanks for the prize winning drawing of your own as well. It’s currently awaiting a frame in the studio!
I'm with Dave on this one, Troy. The sappiness got me pretty emotional and was kind of fitting for the story's tone. As for the death and rebirth concept, I think Gaiman did in two issues what Morrison tried to do in his entire run. Morrison holds all of Batman as canon and pulls a lot of convoluted things out of his ass to try to explain it away (not that it isn't great at times, it's sometimes my favorite shit in comics!). But if you read this story literally it streamlines the idea of Batman always existing in a really cool way. Great writing, great art, great story for a great character. And great episode guys! As always, keep up the good work.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE you gentlemens stuff!!! Im smiling I'm getting filled in on stuff I missed... its like being at the comic shop talking to a couple of die hards that get comics!!! Keep them coming you guys are the best!!!
I went into this comic with almost no knowledge of Batman continuity, and I came out of it somewhere between the two of you. I loved aspects of it and the overall nostalgic feeling, but it did feel disjointed at times which threw me out of the experience. There's something oddly endearing that even Batman's villains show up to his funeral to tell/hear stories...the comic seems to speak to the timelessness of the Batman persona. It sort of reminds me of Daytripper. That quote hits me in the feels tho...Great analysis!
Jacob Keary I feel like EVERY Gaiman story is incredibly Gaiman. I guess the same could be said for Morrison, Miller, King, etc, but Gaiman really sticks out to me.
@@ImperiusRex I don't know, in my mind it was just that batman stint with Gaiman behind the wheel but looking into it as you guy's did yeah, it fits his mold
Great episode guys! I’m with Dave on this one: I love Sandman but otherwise Gaiman’s other comics have been less than spectacular. With this book, I think the ending is a bit sappy but works well enough not to detail the story. And I appreciated the deaths being regular and mundane! I don’t know about superfans but I think it works for a casual reader of Batman quite well, but without betraying any ‘mythos’.
I can say going into this I wasn’t sure what to expect I liked Sandman but really haven’t read anything else Neil Gaiman. Being a Batman fan I’m mixed .I thought it have some really emotional parts followed by some really cheese parts . Overall I thought it was good not great . Another stellar episode boys . Continue that channel growth !!!
To me is like Batman is living again and again dying in that same year in a different way. Or is just him getting into the deepest thoughts of his foes and beloved ones about him and how somehow they contribuited in his demise.
The Alfred story I reminds me of a older batman short story called mask where bruce Wayne was a crazy guy in a hospital who pretty much was imagining the batman universe I read it when I was like 10 in a public library it blew me away love crazy/mentally ill batman
I love Gaiman, check out his book on norse myth it's great (or listen to it in audio form as read by himself). I think though for me what I'm up for reading drifts around, and while I can pick up a "standard" marvel book, or dip into snyders batman at any time, I feel like my head needs to be in the right place for me to read Sandman. I enjoy it when I do but I need to be in the right mindset to do so, hence why I'm only about three or four books in. Just picked up the next couple of fable books and enjoying working through them.
I'm in the same mind set about Sandman too. Honestly I've never cracked into them, because I need to be in the right mind to do so. And every time I'm thinking about pulling the trigger I hesitate and it never comes.
Im up for anything sappy batman so might give this a read... also Guys... guys... fellas... how about Darwin cookes batman: ego and other tails... my first darwyn cooke book and still holds a special place in my heart... pretty much an animated series episode... nothing revolutionary... just a overall well done, one and done story by one of the best in the industry (rip)
Gaiman is definitely one of my favorite writers, and while I like this story I don't think it encapsulates the best of batman. I love how he shows batman as just a man, but some of the stories of his death didn't feel as if it was i guess "honoring" batman. It was a little bit too storybooky.
For the first time reading it i thought they were performing an act on stage where every character got to do their part of the scenery which evolves Batman death as part of the show but later I realized it's rather expressing the death story of the Batman 😂😂 which it made me ponder wether it's a theatrical act or wether it's the true story about Batmans death 😂😂
A fitting end to The Dark Knight's story, or at least one of them. I love most of what I've read from Gaiman, his keen eye for imagination and inventiveness in storytelling is really what grabs me. Great video guys as always!
This certainly is one of my favorites, and if you're like me you can read this as a synthesis of Miller's Batman, who 'grounded' Batman as an unbalanced psycho savant who through the power of his mania changes the world to conform with his comic book moralities, and Morrison's Batman who is a near mythological and eternal force spanning eras of storytelling. But most of all it's just a good story.
Great Show.
I think Alfred story is about how he feels about the whole Batman thing, how he feels culpable
That's a good theory- I'd subscribe to that.
accurate as well. He was Bruces legal guardian and he essentially enabled a life styled that could only ever end with him being killed. Honestly, what type of responsible parent lets a 10 year old train to be an urban ninja that dress's up in a Halloween costume to fight gangsters and serial killers? Social services would be involved, charges would be brought........
This is the canonical last Batman story for me. Whatever shenanigans happen to him in the following runs and years, I will always know the end
Hey guys my Batman Black & White arrived in the mail today, what a pleasant surprise! Thanks again for the sketches you made and the kind words. You guys can draw, I'll treasure it always, thank you both!
Pete Marquez our pleasure Pete. I hope you’ll treasure that defaced Batbook for years to come! Thanks for the prize winning drawing of your own as well. It’s currently awaiting a frame in the studio!
I'm glad you like it!
I loved this story! but is cool you guys put diferent perspectives.
I'm with Dave on this one, Troy. The sappiness got me pretty emotional and was kind of fitting for the story's tone.
As for the death and rebirth concept, I think Gaiman did in two issues what Morrison tried to do in his entire run. Morrison holds all of Batman as canon and pulls a lot of convoluted things out of his ass to try to explain it away (not that it isn't great at times, it's sometimes my favorite shit in comics!). But if you read this story literally it streamlines the idea of Batman always existing in a really cool way. Great writing, great art, great story for a great character. And great episode guys! As always, keep up the good work.
Troy Thux
You guys keep on being my favorite RUclips channel!
And you're our favorite viewer, Chris... not to pick favorites or anything.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE you gentlemens stuff!!! Im smiling I'm getting filled in on stuff I missed... its like being at the comic shop talking to a couple of die hards that get comics!!! Keep them coming you guys are the best!!!
Thanks Miguel- great to hear we struck a chord with you! Join us on more zany adventures, won't you? :)
I went into this comic with almost no knowledge of Batman continuity, and I came out of it somewhere between the two of you. I loved aspects of it and the overall nostalgic feeling, but it did feel disjointed at times which threw me out of the experience. There's something oddly endearing that even Batman's villains show up to his funeral to tell/hear stories...the comic seems to speak to the timelessness of the Batman persona. It sort of reminds me of Daytripper. That quote hits me in the feels tho...Great analysis!
I thought of the Daytripper analogy after we stopped recording on the way home and was upset with myself.
I never realized _how_ Gaiman this story is.
Jacob Keary I feel like EVERY Gaiman story is incredibly Gaiman. I guess the same could be said for Morrison, Miller, King, etc, but Gaiman really sticks out to me.
@@ImperiusRex I don't know, in my mind it was just that batman stint with Gaiman behind the wheel but looking into it as you guy's did yeah, it fits his mold
Great episode guys! I’m with Dave on this one: I love Sandman but otherwise Gaiman’s other comics have been less than spectacular.
With this book, I think the ending is a bit sappy but works well enough not to detail the story. And I appreciated the deaths being regular and mundane! I don’t know about superfans but I think it works for a casual reader of Batman quite well, but without betraying any ‘mythos’.
4:28 I THREW A ROCK AT HIM!
...IT WAS A BIG ROCK.
Yea I really like this book and you guys are awesome
I can say going into this I wasn’t sure what to expect I liked Sandman but really haven’t read anything else Neil Gaiman. Being a Batman fan I’m mixed .I thought it have some really emotional parts followed by some really cheese parts . Overall I thought it was good not great . Another stellar episode boys . Continue that channel growth !!!
To me is like Batman is living again and again dying in that same year in a different way. Or is just him getting into the deepest thoughts of his foes and beloved ones about him and how somehow they contribuited in his demise.
Just realizing now that it almost has a Daytripper vibe to it that I never noticed before.
@@ImperiusRex I will search it.
The Alfred story I reminds me of a older batman short story called mask where bruce Wayne was a crazy guy in a hospital who pretty much was imagining the batman universe I read it when I was like 10 in a public library it blew me away love crazy/mentally ill batman
I'm sure most psychologists would argue that Batman is ALWAYS mentally ill Batman.
There's also a pretty good Buffy episode in which you see her in an asylum and it's all in her head!
I love Gaiman, check out his book on norse myth it's great (or listen to it in audio form as read by himself). I think though for me what I'm up for reading drifts around, and while I can pick up a "standard" marvel book, or dip into snyders batman at any time, I feel like my head needs to be in the right place for me to read Sandman. I enjoy it when I do but I need to be in the right mindset to do so, hence why I'm only about three or four books in. Just picked up the next couple of fable books and enjoying working through them.
I'm in the same mind set about Sandman too. Honestly I've never cracked into them, because I need to be in the right mind to do so. And every time I'm thinking about pulling the trigger I hesitate and it never comes.
17:24 - Dave's expression is now my go to meme when I want to convey a sense of forlorn.
jared baldon haha! Amazing. It could be the next sad Affleck “ Sound of Silence.”
The goddamn Batman
That's the original cat woman from the 1940's
Well this seems like a interesting read.
Do you think you'll cover any Dredd?
I'd be into doing some. We'll talk it over into doing some in 2019.
@@troytothemax8767 nice one! Look forward to it! ☺👍
Sad times damn you Neil. goodnight batman!
Im up for anything sappy batman so might give this a read... also Guys... guys... fellas... how about Darwin cookes batman: ego and other tails... my first darwyn cooke book and still holds a special place in my heart... pretty much an animated series episode... nothing revolutionary... just a overall well done, one and done story by one of the best in the industry (rip)
I just bought Ego on one of comixology's sales a while back. Don't have room to squeeze it in this year, but its def planned for next year.
*_Who wins, Troy with a wooden bat in the Flex Mentalo outfit or Dave with a sharpened broomstick, 3 ninja stars and waaay more blood lust._*
#QnA
Jacob Keary amazing question.
Gaiman is fucking awesome
Gaiman is definitely one of my favorite writers, and while I like this story I don't think it encapsulates the best of batman. I love how he shows batman as just a man, but some of the stories of his death didn't feel as if it was i guess "honoring" batman. It was a little bit too storybooky.
For the first time reading it i thought they were performing an act on stage where every character got to do their part of the scenery which evolves Batman death as part of the show but later I realized it's rather expressing the death story of the Batman 😂😂 which it made me ponder wether it's a theatrical act or wether it's the true story about Batmans death 😂😂
Dude in the Superman shirt is not to be trusted. This is a great book.
I dig it. I dig Neil a lot already though