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Holding an ignited lightsaber against the ground and leaning on it, such bad weapon management. At least pretend its real, even if its an expensive toy :P
It is worth to point out that in EU, cause for Imperial was more rational. Acclimator Assault Ships and Venator Star Destroyers (Carriers) were rushed into service due to the war. But developed around same time Victory class intended as Brawler, was hold in testing by Palpatine. It was to maintain back up in case of if CIS would go too strong (used effectively during late stage of Coruscant battle (so shame we didn't see them in Clone Wars) and to deal with Bulwarks). As prolonged war was needed to maximize death toll of the Jedi. Anyway. To deal final blow to all potential Venator what could go rogue after Order 66, Kuat designed Tector Star Destroyer. What was heavy brawler what could cheese and take down every rouge Venator. It was actually decent ships. Designed in pair with Gladiator SD. What were lighter escort carriers, similar to Quasar Fire. Which job was to drop large number of fighter and escape. When Tector finish the enemy. But success of Order 66 and lack of potential targets (anything larger would face Mandator II) make them obsolete. It is why they decide to scrap Gladiators (only small number was made) and cut hole into Tector, giving it huge hangar. That is how ISD born. In theory is simplified logistic, but in practice it was huge venerability. Ship designed initially for battle line, was too costly and complex to operate. When in many cases it was just running cargo or fighters and ground forces.
He knows he's the hub (or maybe Fulcrum) of a critical arm of the rebellion, and that losing him would severely impair the whole movement, so he'd prepare a similar response to any authority that even threatened to appear. It takes a certain amount of paranoia to keep things running.
The part where Luthen used the countermeasures reminded me of that scene from Spaceballs where Lone Starr and Barf "jam the radar" on Dark Helmet's ship. Although the countermeasures probably didn't taste like raspberry 😂
@@Sin526**Gets Walloped by the Camera, the crew turning back to their stations as if it were a normal thing for Lord Helmet to get walloped by the Camera.**
Also including more TIE Defenders to accompany those smaller, less resource intensive ships would have helped with Imperial power projection and rapid reaction. Yes, TIE Defenders were also expensive compared to regular TIEs but still less so than bringing a big battle wagon that is the ISD.
yea the defenders were expensive for a fighter (about 5 times more than the standard tie) but they would've been a lot more useful simply because of the hyperdrive
1starfighter way cheaper than 10 Target practice And 1 Elite Pilot important than 10 Conscripts Well , one squadron of tie defender is more cheaper than 72(wing)of ties most likely to be target practice blasted by a Ragtap Rebel squadron by the name of Rogue squadron, or blade wing , or some Primary colour squadrons on thier way to blast few star destroyers of Battle stati.(cough) Moons And , Consider You are a rebel pilot or taskforce commander and See ties launching , 1.72 Tie L starfighters launch (target practice) 2.72 Tie interceptors launch (side rolling blades) 2.72 Tie defenders or Avengers launch (😱)
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 not really. Remember, the TIE is the bastard child of the Zero and the BF-109 in terms of capability: high speed, high maneuverability, high firepower (the BF-109 part) with certain survivability features removed to get as much speed, maneuverability, and firepower squeezed out of it as possible (the Zero part). Note that the TIE design evolved over the years, like just the stupid amount of BF-109 and FW-190 variants were made. Each evolution is just a bit faster, more maneuverable, and more killy. So, yeah, even the vaunted X-Wing couldn't keep up with the TIE in the end, as even _they_ get downed by bog-standard TIEs rather effectively when not fighting a main character. TIE Interceptors and similar TIEs? Mince meat.
@Destiny the on-screen evidence says otherwise. X-Wings aren't as superior as the fans make it out to be. They are just as durable outside of main character moments when compared to TIEs.
Wasn't this a concept from Solo that was cut from the film? This communication ship should have been accompanied by a combat frigate specially since it was on a pirate heavy area. Edit: using an ID from Alderaan is brutal.
@@GenerationTech I don't like to think about the Solo movie much, and yet I have to ask: wasn't it's release pushed back a couple of times already? Maybe I'm jaded to CGI now. I'd think that department would have kept working even if the live people were just having a snit.
It's a cool cruiser at first glance it doesn't look like a patrol craft with all of its satellite panels. Can't wait to see more of it, the captain in Andor definitely wasn't as experienced seeing that he still let his boarding crew leave after Luthen became a threat.
@@destiny696 Regardless, carelessly sending the boarding ship after the ship just destroyed your tractor beam ajd is STILL FUNCTIONING was just beyond careless. It was arrogant. Had he followed proper procedures or just being actually careful, he could've at least minimed the damage, *not suffer such humiliation.*
yea the arrestor cruiser looks a lot like some kind of Electronic countermeasure ship like that one Gozanti cruiser made just for datamining that we saw in rebels. ofc now we know all those dishes and antennas are probably the equipment for the tractor beams to operate efficiently, but i just have a feeling that if you remove the tractor beam equipment, you could easily turn all those antennas and dishes into the star wars equivalent of the United States Navy EP-3E Aries II. for those who dont know the EP-3 is basically an Intelligence gathering aircraft, that has lots of electronic countermeasures and jammers.
I think it's a given that the empire went way overboard. If Palpatine knew about the Yuuzhan Von, he could have just manipulated the entire galaxy to create these mass weapons and they probably would have done a really good job fighting them with Thrawn. For cannon there wasn't really a point except scaring the empire's citizens who were being taken advantage of so they wouldn't fight back. But if the empire toned down their *massive* ships, it would have been way better
@@jamesricker3997 Tarkin Doctrine; Leia: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Tarkin: "Fear shall keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battlestation."
@@destiny696 worse, the DS was manned by the best of the best that the Empire had due to the great prestige of the post, so the loss go way beyond the mere numbers...plus at this you must also add the loss of the 7th fleet, the one commanded by Thraw at Lothal just some days before and so you can add between 300.000 and half a million loss of personell including 6 precious ISD. Yes i know that there are a lot of fan than say: oh the empire had a staggering 25000 ISD look at them and despair...but they usually don't take consideration of how huge is the empire and how expensive both in term of money and personell that type of ships.
Using the Yuuzhan Vong as a reason for the Empire's over militarization is just so dumb. That might've worked back in the 90's before we knew anything about Palpatine and the Sith, but implying he was only using the Empire's over militarization as a means to an end for protecting people just makes no sense based on what we know about him. I mean, that's the excuse he used as propaganda after the Clone Wars ended so he could have complete control over the Empire, but he didn't actually believe that shit. Besides, if something that important was the reason for the Empire being so powerful it would've been mentioned in the movies. No, based on the OT alone, the Emperor was a dictator obsessed with having complete control over the galaxy, not someone that was looking to protect people from some greater threat.
@@nagger8216 I never said he cared about or wanted to protect people. He just wanted power, but using the Vong as a way to gain support would have been incredibly easy and justified. The people would become imperial supporters from all over and Palpatine would have endless support for whatever project he wants to make next
Andor is a great inspiration. Series really enjoying it the most from all the spin off's . Great video from you all . From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧
I like to think that he went overboard, so that they would be more likely to try to track or follow him, rather than leave them to try to see what he was doing on the planet, which might get Saw into trouble. Then again, Saw had to receive those excessive wounds some how before Rogue One, which might also explain how he feels betrayed by EVERYONE.
@@davvader **stabs Havelock with a literal mining spike**
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Dog fighting in Star Wars, is just the epiphany of a long tradition of fighting on horse drawn, or otherwise propelled carts, ben-hur style... that's why sometimes traditional axial spikes come to bare... also why young Skywalker compares dog fighting to pod racing, which sprouts from that same tradition, it's practicly the same.
On the shields being down thing, I don't actually know, but I suspect tractor beams need to not have shields between them and the target to work. The obvious objection to this is that obviously the ship it is grabbing may have shields, but I would guess that the tractor beam then grabs on to the shield itself, making it not a problem if it is on the target side. If my speculation is correct, then Luthen's countermeasures would be very hard to defend against specifically in a tractor beam using scenario. Maybe you could reactively turn on the forward shields very quickly, and live with whatever the interaction between the shield and the tractor beam is, since it is likely to at least be less bad than letting the countermeasures do their thing. Or maybe the tractor beam can briefly reverse direction in a pulse at a slightly wider angle aiming to push the particles out of it's firing cone, but you'd have to design that feature specifically with this kind of countermeasure in mind.
Yes, I think you're onto something there. I mean, I'm assuming ships would be running navigational shields at all times per standard, which would render the counter measures completely useless. So either the deflector array has to be switched off when the tractor beam is engaged, or the counter measures are designed in such a way that they shred or cut through the navigational shields.
What if it's not based on line of sight but some radio frequencies ,I am speculating so they might not need to lower the shields ,seems kind of stupid either way to have a ship to capture other ships ,but it's main advantage can just get shreded before it can do it's job. I mean they had stuff like this before when pulling other ships and they didn't shoot any of the dishes . Other option is to use those ion canon's beforehand to disable weapons and other stuff ,but if they can disable engines and use the tractor beam to just fairy the ship aboard
12:12 One of the reasons why this worked is because the battle cruiser had to lower its shields to place the smaller vessel in tow. Nice surprise defensive weapon. He wouldn't be able to get away a 2nd time (once word got out about the tactic) .
The Arrestor cruiser is a local cop set up with a speed gun in the small country town The Interdictor is a highway speed trap looking to catch something more than average speeders.
feels like the empire kind of did what a lot of armchair analysts would do which is prepare their doctrine and infrastructure for the last war instead of the one they have. focusing on warship v warship and planetary conquest instead of insurgents and small scale skirmishes. which considering the basing of starwars on the Vietnam war. feels quite fitting.
The goal was to intimidate people, not kill them efficiently. Successfully scared people obey. Successfully killed people don’t, unless the command is “play dead.”
By contrast, look at the united earth government from HALO. The UNSC was not prepared to fight the covenant when the threat emerged because the UNSC was an anti-piracy force. The largest ship-based weapon in their arsenal was the MAC canon… And those were relatively rare. The majority of the USC was frigates and light cruisers…. Because you didn’t need a ton of heavy cruiser to fight pirates. There are always going to be pluses and minuses to every strategy, but the trade-off to Tarkin’s doctrine of rule by fear…. Is the constant debilitating fear. You are never going to create a status quo that the people are willing to live with, you might beat them down and force them to accept their situation at the moment, but you’re never going to make people happy with their lives willing to just accept the empires dominance of the wider galaxy in exchange for their nice quiet life dirt side. 20,000 star destroyers isn’t enough to truly control the galaxy, but it doesn’t have to be….there are no forces they can actually fight off the empire (Except the Vong) And the actual number of imperial battlewagons could have been reduced by half and the resources used to increase their patrol craft. The shift away from Venators to ISDs came at the expense of the empires ability to actually control the galaxy. They could smash any known resistance, but the resistance simply blended into the background and refused to give them a target to smash. This scene where a single small ship escapes the larger patrol craft simply should not happen under a well structured military. A light cruiser with a small air wing should be virtually impossible to outmaneuver because it maintains a CAP capable of chasing down basically anything but the Millennium Falcon. When the new republic took over, they didn’t just commandeer a bunch of TIE fighters and try to maintain order……they stuck with the X-wings because those gave them MUCH more bang for the buck and far more flexibility.
@@Justanotherconsumer late to this, but scared people is not automatically a subjected people. All the civ bombings by other powers proves that so long as the leaders fight, they will get their peoples support against an enemy. Even if scared and hurting, one do not backstab one's family/leaders just because fear makes you crap your pants, people are incredible stubborn that way. Even if they do not agree with them, or see a way to win, people soldier on, even if you are not a soldier.
I think some of it could be soft power over hard power... No one is afraid of a puny support ship... every one was of the ISD. So in turn you might get more better arms rebels faster as they would only need to beat tiny ships not big ones... But yes after the rebalion started winning the Empire should have switched from the soft power of look scary to hard power of be scary and counter the bg rebel ships with smaller ones they could easly spam while still have ISDs as massive middle figures to the alance that just get in the way of the alance's plans.
I would argue that fielding more Cantwell Class Crusiers would of actually prevented the Rebellion from growing to the point it did. Because it’s not threatening or oppressive
I love how everytime the Empire tries to intercept some smaller vessels with their Star Destroyers, the smaller vessels just proceed to fly near the bridge and then flee
No it was art *understanding*. He didn’t win his battles because he “appreciated” art, it was because he analyzed and understood what a person or culture’s art is representative of.
@@vanlain1528 I always thought the boarding torpedos in Warhammer 40k were a rip off of Starwars ideas, I could be wrong, however I "think" I read somewhere in legends, Sith using such on the front of breech vessel basically "cutting" its own airlock using spinning Saber tech. Again though less a boarding "defense" as much as an offense, ya know how Sith are about those dirty words.
I think that another ship that the Empire could have made more and better use of was the Acclamator class, for several reasons. 1.) The Acclamator, at least as it existed during the Clone Wars, only required a crew of 500, which is frankly insane for a non-droid ship of its tonnage class. This would allow for more ships to be made and crewed to full efficiency better across the galaxy and the massive crew increases (which were most likely just the Empire putting people there for pointless busywork to show the populace they gave a shit about offering them jobs) could be cut back and more evenly spread across more vessels to act as standby personnel to take over injured or deceased personnel in combat. 2.) The Acclamator had a class 0.6 hyperdrive, which is faster than pretty much any mass-produced ship used by known powers at the time. This would allow it to be used really effectively as a rapid-response and interception ship to catch rebels, pirates and unruly dissenting parties before they can do real damage or gather sufficient strength. You could also theoretically build docking ports at strategic locations across the hull to allow for smaller ships like Arquitens, Gozantis, Raiders and Lancers to attach themselves on in order to piggyback off of the Acclamator's superior hyperdrive speed, and deploy to do their thing when it enters the battle. 3.) The Acclamator, due to existing since the inception of the Clone Wars, would have relied entirely on Pre-Imperial logistics chains, meaning that you don't need to worry about the cost of setting up entire support infrastructure and research and development or testing costs that making new ship classes would. 4.) The Acclamator costs about (IIRC) only half as much as the Venator, which in of itself costs less than an ISD, which combined with the other factors listed above meant that you could crank out this simpler, reliable, (relatively) easy-to-maintain battle-tested ship in massive numbers and spread them all across the galaxy, being able to respond to local threats faster than any other vessels from out-of-system and having the armor and firepower to cleanly handle almost any threat the Empire could realistically expect to face. So you would have local system defense ships like the Cantwell, Gozantis and Arquitens and the like, and if reinforcements are required, you could have some Acclamators arrive in record time with a handful of smaller ships deploying off of their hull to help take control of the situation.
@@ReanuKeevesAus To be fair it wasn't just the Empire that could have benefitted from a good deal of practical sense. When the Yuuzhan Vong invaded, the New Republic had multiple functional World Devastators that were just lying around in some scrapheap somewhere, and they didn't use them out of "morality", meaning that they thought that their use would cause enough of a morale loss and public backlash that it would outstrip any benefit they could give to the war effort. There would've been a really easy way to avoid or minimize this problem. They could've just reactivated the WDs to feast on some uninhabited and/or desolate/ultrahostile systems that were rich in natural resources and have them build up tons of highly-automated and droid war assets. They would be mostly out of the way so people wouldn't have to look at them and be reminded of the Dark Empire days but they could still pump out a constant and steadily growing stream of fresh supplies and war material for the front lines. This would allow the New Republic to be less pressured on the front and have more resources with which not only to fight the Vong, but to cover for civilian evacuations and stuff. Another benefit of the WDs is due to them being automated and a lot of the things they can build being automated, they could be used as psychological tools against the Vong themselves, ravaging Vong-infested worlds or tearing apart ships alive and processing that collected mass into swarms of highly-efficient droid war machines to throw right back at them. This would lead to more instances of the Vong becoming enraged and abandoning more sound strategies to take out the giant blocky monuments to absolute sacrilege and it would mean the New Republic could press the attack more often with far less casualties.
To be honest the entire Republic navy was well suited to dealing with the rebellion. Acclamator's had decent weapons, extremely strong armor and a low crew count and could be pumped out pretty quickly Venator's would have had more then enough firepower to deal with rebellion capital ships and fighters while also having an immense fighter complement that could outnumber anything the rebels could field. Arquitens have already been shown to be very effective ships well armed and fast, small and maneuverable Victory's well equiped with quad turbolasers dozens of twin turbolasers and macross levels of missile spam with it's 80 missile launchers it's also well suited for destroying rebellion ships.
@@phoenixx913 Yeah, and using their existing stockpile of Republic-era ships with some minor refits and situational field adaptations here and there would have had the additional benefit of maintaining popular support and public confidence for longer, as the common citizenry would associate the Imperial navy with the Republic one, meaning that as long as the imperialization of the galaxy was measured and steady, it would take more for potential rebels to commit to rebellion and dissent.
Dude when Luthen kept saying “Plus Krygeer,” it cracked me up like why do you need to keep saying that it’s just going to piss off saw and possibly get you killed or sent to bor gulet
Honestly I thought it was really cool that they brought that into canon and put it on the show shame Cantwell didn't live long enough to see it. I thought it was a nice touch.
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I really like the arrestor design, probably would have had the big dish be a cluster of smaller ones myself but this works for the kinetic bombardment scene.
I don't think Arrestor cruisers would have been a good choice for that battle. The purpose of these ships seems to be to disable and capture individual ships. The arrestor cruiser only has a few powerful ion cannons, a dozen light laser cannons, and a few tractor beams. Although it can carry six times more tie fighters than a gozanti-class ship. It might be suitable for small engagements, but not an actual battle in my opinion.
those side mounted lasers i think serve a different purpose. He was just showing off with that manouver... but picture flying close to a ship like an asserter and turning one of those beems on, dragging it down the length of the ship.
I'd bet my money on the latter. To give Tony credit, I think he is the type of director who recognizes and admits when he doesn't know or like a fictional universe, and thus gets people who really love it and are much more informed about it to help him out. Cause there sure aren't a lack of folks out there who both love and understand Star Wars in all its different details, though sadly they end up working for directors who basically wanna control everything (how things will look, what ships to use, what soldiers, etc), even though they're not as experienced on the subject as the people working under them. *Kind of a Palpatine/Sith parallel there.*
That's the mark of any good leader. They are aware that they know just enough to get themselves in trouble, so they hire true geeks to steer them through the details, then give them enough rope to true up the whole system.
I wonder if there were any workers/slaves that intentionally sabotaged Imperial ships like Galen Erso or that one guy in Rebels (RIP). I could see an inspector/inspection team overlooking some of the sabotages because of their hatred of the Empire.
13:10 Counter idea, what if having shields in front of such a powerful tractor beam messes with the beam? Or the shields? That could be a reason for the lack of use of those ships, they would only be useful for unarmed ships, or at least ships that can't shoot backwards.
Good take. For the vast majority of the Star Wars saga the rebellion was an insurgency, which requires much different tactics. Some of the parallels to our modern world are unsettling.
cassian already mentioned how unusual the ship was the first time they went hyperspace in it. paraphrasing that the ship isn't powered by any normal means. the fact that cassian was given a very valuable khyber crystal was the second clue. the pay off was the two extra-large lightsabers that protruded on the side of the ship during this imperial chase scene.
Force fields in star wars rarely stopped objects. They were designed to protect against high energy weapons. Citation: Saul Gurerra/Droidika Clone Wars. Luthen in Andor and the imperials response to non energy weapons. No reactions with ships on close approaches in all Star Wars films (exception: the planetary force field in Rogue One and the Death Star shield in ROTJ). In short - only the largest (planet/moon sized) shields could defend against a ship, projectile or lightly rolled grenade.
Oh, and having counter-measures to stop guided missiles. Think about it. Why would that be a thing if debris affected shielding? Where are battles most likely to be fought? Would it be within the gravity well of a planet? That's a counter measure that only works in one unique condition. If you think about that more it could be cool...but I know...too much science in star wars. So...the likely need for a defense system is, in this context, invading or defending a planet. Probably going to occur in orbit, right? So the invading force could just unleash debris and it would fly into the defending ships, the planet and could wipe out communication systems and other defenses.
Something to consider on Luthin's ship, he's a spy, a spy master to be specific. Think of his ship as a kind of Star Wars version of the James Bond car.
i feel like luthen could use those lightsaber things to run along the side of a star destroyer or something and do some serious damage. it would be more practical than trying to hit tie fighters with lol
Probably what they were actually for. Question is… could he have taken out the ship? If he could have, did he do it because he wanted Saw to be found? Just keeping it Rael.
Those lightsaber things were dumb, like bringing a sword to a gunfight. I would imagine the smaller ship would have lost its momentum if it were actually physically cutting through the hull of a much larger ship, and could just be shot to pieces, once it was 'stuck' in place, kind of like how a sword could get stuck in a victim for a few seconds with a deep cut into the rib cage, depending on how it was used. Recall that in Phantom Menace Qui-Gon Jinn's lightsaber took a fair amount of time and effort to cut through the trade federation ship's bridge blast doors, and I'd imagine the outer hull of a ship would be similarly tough, and those things would probably drain the smaller ship's energy fast, when cutting through a lot of hull.
I like the ship sabers. Star Wars always has had ship's dog fighting in really close quarters. They're basically the scifi equivalent of spiked wheel hubs. It's also Star Wars. Meant to be entertaining, not practical.
Honestly all the empire REALLY needed to build in order to win was Ton Falk carriers and lancer frigates. Or even just a modification of the venator with heavier armor and shielding.
A Venator with more investment in the SPHA heavy turbolasers would have been enough, I think. Some modifications to the hangar bays to allow for denser storage the TIE series allowed and it would be perfect.
Dunno if you've already done this but I'd be interested in your thoughts of the differences between Thrawn's strategy and development projects (ie the TIE Defender) and Tarkin's (Death Star) and how they may have affected the Empire's strategy as a whole?
this is the 1000th time ive heard "this ship could have saved the empire"..like jesus christ a single ship cant save a giant galactic hegemon on its own!
Personally, I would even say the ISD should be completely different. Get rid of the fighter wing (Including the large hangar), the pre-fabricated base, the stormtrooper legion, and the entire complement of army vehicles. Instead have the bridge be built where the hangar would be. Deep into the ship, like Battlestar Galactica CIC. Have two small hangars for VIP shuttles, supply shuttles, and boarding craft to be housed. You can also build enough space in these hangars for half a squadron of TIE-Defenders each. The rest of the ship would be focused on heavy turbolasers, ion cannons, and a good laser cannon array to destroy any fighter that gets near the vessel. Get rid of the current ISD bridge, that super tall structure in the back. Use the center-middle of the vessel to place the heaviest turbolasers so that you can have the biggest guns always aiming at enemies in front, and sides. For fighters, use some kind of TIE-Droid; take inspiration from the CIS and come up with a Vulture droid kind of fighter, something that can attach to the outside of the vessel. These would act as "wingmen" for the TIE-Defenders and can be controlled from the CIC or even a two-seater TIE-Defender. Basically a blend of Empire and First Order thinking. A much smaller ISD that resembles a Resurgent-Class, but with no large hangars and stormtrooper legion. You want a space battleship, so let it be a battleship. More specialize ships would be amazing for the Galactic Empire, not these jacks of all trades, masters of none. EDIT: Also, make the vessel not so logistics intensive and much easier to manufacture. Make like 2,000 of these. But at the moment you see a serious rebellion forming, you can start making these bad boys like bakery making bread.
ISD's were designed for planetary invasions, which is why it carried troops and ground armor. There were dedicated naval combat ISD versions like the Tector class.
@@gasparayakos8215 correct. But my argument is why not allow the Acclamator-class to do most of the planetary invasion operations? And the Tector-class was cool, but still has vulnerabilities from the ISD. Such as an exposed bridge and a weapons array that do not take advantage of the vessel's shape.
@@LordVader5738 Acclamators where phased out during the Imperial era. No one had the firepower to slug it out with an ISD anyways so dedicated warships or transports weren't really needed, as the ISD filled out all those roles.
@@gasparayakos8215 Correct, and the Acclamator-class should have been kept in service. I would have come up with a better version of the Acclamator-class, perhaps a 2 or 3 model. ISDs did all those roles so well, the Empire lasted only a couple decades versus the Republic that lasted thousands of years. Shows how horrible Palpatine managed the government.
Tony Gilroy seems to accurately reproduce the 70s Star Wars style in everything. The interfaces look like the Death Star plans in the movie. I'm so thankful for Rogue One and Andor, definitely the highlights of Disney Star Wars as well as Mando s1+2 following it.
That thing's tractor beam is waaaay too exposed man. They should just streamline interdictor cruisers and use them. With the gravity well generator an enemy ship just couldn't escape at all.
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I like to think that the plans to reach power were made by Plagueis, and Palpatine was only following them until they reached it’s conclusion. That would close many holes…
I was legit waiting for the end to have an end credit scene where we see the IBS suddenly under new leadership and that leader ends up being Thrawn... would have blown my mind. I'm still waiting for Benedict Cumberbatch to bring the character to life.
Building tens of thousands of star destroyers to take on rebels is like building nothing but a fleet of battleships to take on speed boats and the occasional tug boat that someone mounted a couple of guns to.
In fairness the Rebel Alliance in the old Legends continuity was a more massive military power than what we see in the new Canon material. The war also lasted a lot longer, spanning decades rather than a handful of years. The Empire going overkill with producing a fleet to fight it made more sense there.
I would have to agree: more bigger is not more better. Many CAPABLE smaller cruisers would provide an ECONOMICAL flexibility that the ISD's simply couldn't provide. Well done video and I subscribed .
I remember reading something in the old Starwars rpg about the Star Destroyers in that the rebels considered them to be a bit of a white elephant...2354 known exploitable design flaws and counting.
2:58 Wait, that looks an awful lot like the concept carrier that was supposed to carry star destroyers back when they were planned to be the dogfighters of the empire, instead of tie fighters, interesting nod
@@GenerationTech well it sounded like 3 different types, and one was the cc detainer . ( and the immobiliser prototype as well ) i forget the other one . I thought maybe corealian corporation , but cantwel class . Makes sense.
Yes, I fully agree. Fleets of these should have been made, instead of the other. Maybe quite a heavy battle ready beast -but..!..if ..as you properly point out, put to use correctly, could have been a means to extend the life of the Empire..as long as the right people were in command ..even though most bad guys, aren't as technically..sensible as the very few like Thran..(thank heavens).
Well when I saw the countermeasures I was wondering why it worked so well and why that kind of weapon is not more popular among all the ships, but then I realized that the Empire helped boost its strength - the tractor beam was at its maximum power so it only accelerated those shrapnels. Also why there is no reverse tractor beam (mixed with those shrapnels launcher) it would be so good AA weapon for Empire to deal with the rebels.
I would have just spammed Cantweel and Arquitence cruisers in the hundreds of thousands and at the very most had 5K ISDs. And I would have kept far more Victory and venator class ships in service for longer. And the only way I would build any SSDs is if they had superlasers and I would probably only build one for myself and perhaps afew to protect HVTs(no more than 10). Basically I have the star destroyers I can occasionally send if I need the tarkin doctrine to be shown but I still mostly use a practical police fleet
The counter measures were awesome, very much a case of "using the enemy's strength against them". The laser beams were, hmm... I think I'd have preferred them if they were just like fixed rapid firing blasters, unless there's some practical use for them.
In essence: the ISD can do everything, but it's a waste of resources to use a swat team, a crack detective, and a bomb defusal unit to pull over a drunk driver.
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Holding an ignited lightsaber against the ground and leaning on it, such bad weapon management. At least pretend its real, even if its an expensive toy :P
It is worth to point out that in EU, cause for Imperial was more rational. Acclimator Assault Ships and Venator Star Destroyers (Carriers) were rushed into service due to the war. But developed around same time Victory class intended as Brawler, was hold in testing by Palpatine. It was to maintain back up in case of if CIS would go too strong (used effectively during late stage of Coruscant battle (so shame we didn't see them in Clone Wars) and to deal with Bulwarks). As prolonged war was needed to maximize death toll of the Jedi.
Anyway. To deal final blow to all potential Venator what could go rogue after Order 66, Kuat designed Tector Star Destroyer. What was heavy brawler what could cheese and take down every rouge Venator. It was actually decent ships. Designed in pair with Gladiator SD. What were lighter escort carriers, similar to Quasar Fire. Which job was to drop large number of fighter and escape. When Tector finish the enemy. But success of Order 66 and lack of potential targets (anything larger would face Mandator II) make them obsolete. It is why they decide to scrap Gladiators (only small number was made) and cut hole into Tector, giving it huge hangar. That is how ISD born. In theory is simplified logistic, but in practice it was huge venerability. Ship designed initially for battle line, was too costly and complex to operate. When in many cases it was just running cargo or fighters and ground forces.
That would explain the existence of proton torpedoes.
crazy how luthen already knew they were gonna mess with him so he instantly started preparing when he was stopped
I don't think he KNEW, but he considered the possibility and prepared for it. He probably prepared for all sorts of potential situations.
Luthen’s cover would have been blown out there near Saw Guerrera
Kinda like real life.
He knows he's the hub (or maybe Fulcrum) of a critical arm of the rebellion, and that losing him would severely impair the whole movement, so he'd prepare a similar response to any authority that even threatened to appear. It takes a certain amount of paranoia to keep things running.
I think they weren't going to mess with him but he was acting suspicious so they decided to do more investigation
The part where Luthen used the countermeasures reminded me of that scene from Spaceballs where Lone Starr and Barf "jam the radar" on Dark Helmet's ship. Although the countermeasures probably didn't taste like raspberry 😂
Pretty sure there's already a meme about this heh heh.
@@lordwintertown8284 that's dope! I need to find it!
"There's only ONE man who would DARE give me the raspberries..."
(Helmet mask closes)
"LONE STAR!!!"
@@Sin526**Gets Walloped by the Camera, the crew turning back to their stations as if it were a normal thing for Lord Helmet to get walloped by the Camera.**
@@Victor-056 *is laughing so hard*
Also including more TIE Defenders to accompany those smaller, less resource intensive ships would have helped with Imperial power projection and rapid reaction. Yes, TIE Defenders were also expensive compared to regular TIEs but still less so than bringing a big battle wagon that is the ISD.
yea the defenders were expensive for a fighter (about 5 times more than the standard tie) but they would've been a lot more useful simply because of the hyperdrive
1starfighter way cheaper than 10 Target practice
And 1 Elite Pilot important than 10 Conscripts
Well , one squadron of tie defender is more cheaper than 72(wing)of ties most likely to be target practice blasted by a Ragtap Rebel squadron by the name of Rogue squadron, or blade wing , or some Primary colour squadrons on thier way to blast few star destroyers of Battle stati.(cough) Moons
And , Consider You are a rebel pilot or taskforce commander and See ties launching ,
1.72 Tie L
starfighters launch (target practice)
2.72 Tie interceptors launch (side rolling blades)
2.72 Tie defenders or Avengers launch (😱)
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 not really. Remember, the TIE is the bastard child of the Zero and the BF-109 in terms of capability: high speed, high maneuverability, high firepower (the BF-109 part) with certain survivability features removed to get as much speed, maneuverability, and firepower squeezed out of it as possible (the Zero part). Note that the TIE design evolved over the years, like just the stupid amount of BF-109 and FW-190 variants were made. Each evolution is just a bit faster, more maneuverable, and more killy.
So, yeah, even the vaunted X-Wing couldn't keep up with the TIE in the end, as even _they_ get downed by bog-standard TIEs rather effectively when not fighting a main character. TIE Interceptors and similar TIEs? Mince meat.
Now you're just creating the Imperial ewuivalent of a true invencible armada! _(eat your hearts out, Spain)_
@Destiny the on-screen evidence says otherwise. X-Wings aren't as superior as the fans make it out to be. They are just as durable outside of main character moments when compared to TIEs.
It's not even a bad looking ship. I like the kind of diamond configuration, and as a Star Trek fan having a giant dish in the front feels cozy.
Wasn't this a concept from Solo that was cut from the film? This communication ship should have been accompanied by a combat frigate specially since it was on a pirate heavy area.
Edit: using an ID from Alderaan is brutal.
Yup you are correct they didn’t finish the cgi completely though.
@@GenerationTech cool, thanks for the information, Solo was a missed opportunity to see more early Empire gear.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 i loved solo. It was released at a bad time. Only reason the movie did not do well. They should make a han solo show
@@GenerationTech I don't like to think about the Solo movie much, and yet I have to ask: wasn't it's release pushed back a couple of times already? Maybe I'm jaded to CGI now. I'd think that department would have kept working even if the live people were just having a snit.
It's actually a concept from the original Star Wars concept art
It's a cool cruiser at first glance it doesn't look like a patrol craft with all of its satellite panels.
Can't wait to see more of it, the captain in Andor definitely wasn't as experienced seeing that he still let his boarding crew leave after Luthen became a threat.
_Now that I think about it..._ 🤔 yeah, you're right, sending the boarding party while the craft is still functioning is a really bad BAD move!
The arrogance of the empire gets displayed perfectly again.
@@destiny696 Regardless, carelessly sending the boarding ship after the ship just destroyed your tractor beam ajd is STILL FUNCTIONING was just beyond careless. It was arrogant.
Had he followed proper procedures or just being actually careful, he could've at least minimed the damage, *not suffer such humiliation.*
yea the arrestor cruiser looks a lot like some kind of Electronic countermeasure ship like that one Gozanti cruiser made just for datamining that we saw in rebels. ofc now we know all those dishes and antennas are probably the equipment for the tractor beams to operate efficiently, but i just have a feeling that if you remove the tractor beam equipment, you could easily turn all those antennas and dishes into the star wars equivalent of the United States Navy EP-3E Aries II. for those who dont know the EP-3 is basically an Intelligence gathering aircraft, that has lots of electronic countermeasures and jammers.
I think it's a given that the empire went way overboard. If Palpatine knew about the Yuuzhan Von, he could have just manipulated the entire galaxy to create these mass weapons and they probably would have done a really good job fighting them with Thrawn. For cannon there wasn't really a point except scaring the empire's citizens who were being taken advantage of so they wouldn't fight back. But if the empire toned down their *massive* ships, it would have been way better
Tarkin was overcompensating to hide the Empire's logistical weakness
That weakness became apparent post Endor
@@jamesricker3997 Tarkin Doctrine;
Leia: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
Tarkin: "Fear shall keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battlestation."
@@destiny696 worse, the DS was manned by the best of the best that the Empire had due to the great prestige of the post, so the loss go way beyond the mere numbers...plus at this you must also add the loss of the 7th fleet, the one commanded by Thraw at Lothal just some days before and so you can add between 300.000 and half a million loss of personell including 6 precious ISD. Yes i know that there are a lot of fan than say: oh the empire had a staggering 25000 ISD look at them and despair...but they usually don't take consideration of how huge is the empire and how expensive both in term of money and personell that type of ships.
Using the Yuuzhan Vong as a reason for the Empire's over militarization is just so dumb. That might've worked back in the 90's before we knew anything about Palpatine and the Sith, but implying he was only using the Empire's over militarization as a means to an end for protecting people just makes no sense based on what we know about him. I mean, that's the excuse he used as propaganda after the Clone Wars ended so he could have complete control over the Empire, but he didn't actually believe that shit. Besides, if something that important was the reason for the Empire being so powerful it would've been mentioned in the movies. No, based on the OT alone, the Emperor was a dictator obsessed with having complete control over the galaxy, not someone that was looking to protect people from some greater threat.
@@nagger8216 I never said he cared about or wanted to protect people. He just wanted power, but using the Vong as a way to gain support would have been incredibly easy and justified. The people would become imperial supporters from all over and Palpatine would have endless support for whatever project he wants to make next
Andor is a great inspiration. Series really enjoying it the most from all the spin off's . Great video from you all . From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧
"The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers."
I like to think that he went overboard, so that they would be more likely to try to track or follow him, rather than leave them to try to see what he was doing on the planet, which might get Saw into trouble.
Then again, Saw had to receive those excessive wounds some how before Rogue One, which might also explain how he feels betrayed by EVERYONE.
I love the arrestor cruiser, even if it hardly ever gets mentioned.
Did anyone else catch the Cantwell in Solo? It was one of the ships on the recruitment screen where Han signed up to join the imperial navy.
Renember the Cant!
@@davvader **stabs Havelock with a literal mining spike**
Dog fighting in Star Wars, is just the epiphany of a long tradition of fighting on horse drawn, or otherwise propelled carts, ben-hur style... that's why sometimes traditional axial spikes come to bare... also why young Skywalker compares dog fighting to pod racing, which sprouts from that same tradition, it's practicly the same.
I always compare it more so to traditional WWII naval battles. It’s almost a 1 for 1 parallel.
On the shields being down thing, I don't actually know, but I suspect tractor beams need to not have shields between them and the target to work. The obvious objection to this is that obviously the ship it is grabbing may have shields, but I would guess that the tractor beam then grabs on to the shield itself, making it not a problem if it is on the target side.
If my speculation is correct, then Luthen's countermeasures would be very hard to defend against specifically in a tractor beam using scenario. Maybe you could reactively turn on the forward shields very quickly, and live with whatever the interaction between the shield and the tractor beam is, since it is likely to at least be less bad than letting the countermeasures do their thing. Or maybe the tractor beam can briefly reverse direction in a pulse at a slightly wider angle aiming to push the particles out of it's firing cone, but you'd have to design that feature specifically with this kind of countermeasure in mind.
Yes, I think you're onto something there. I mean, I'm assuming ships would be running navigational shields at all times per standard, which would render the counter measures completely useless. So either the deflector array has to be switched off when the tractor beam is engaged, or the counter measures are designed in such a way that they shred or cut through the navigational shields.
What if it's not based on line of sight but some radio frequencies ,I am speculating so they might not need to lower the shields ,seems kind of stupid either way to have a ship to capture other ships ,but it's main advantage can just get shreded before it can do it's job. I mean they had stuff like this before when pulling other ships and they didn't shoot any of the dishes . Other option is to use those ion canon's beforehand to disable weapons and other stuff ,but if they can disable engines and use the tractor beam to just fairy the ship aboard
12:12 One of the reasons why this worked is because the battle cruiser had to lower its shields to place the smaller vessel in tow. Nice surprise defensive weapon. He wouldn't be able to get away a 2nd time (once word got out about the tactic) .
This is probably my favorite ship in star wars now to be honest
Thrawn could have saved the Empire if he was at Endor
Yup for sure
Thrawn could’ve save the empire if he was CNO and Palps didn’t meddle
Well that would have never happened because Palpatine thought he was smarter then Thrawn and everyone else in the galaxy!
@@chrisyanover1777 he was smarter in gaining power than in keeping it.
I feel like Endor wouldn't have happened if Thrawn was around at the time
The Arrestor cruiser is a local cop set up with a speed gun in the small country town
The Interdictor is a highway speed trap looking to catch something more than average speeders.
feels like the empire kind of did what a lot of armchair analysts would do which is prepare their doctrine and infrastructure for the last war instead of the one they have. focusing on warship v warship and planetary conquest instead of insurgents and small scale skirmishes. which considering the basing of starwars on the Vietnam war. feels quite fitting.
The goal was to intimidate people, not kill them efficiently.
Successfully scared people obey. Successfully killed people don’t, unless the command is “play dead.”
By contrast, look at the united earth government from HALO. The UNSC was not prepared to fight the covenant when the threat emerged because the UNSC was an anti-piracy force. The largest ship-based weapon in their arsenal was the MAC canon… And those were relatively rare. The majority of the USC was frigates and light cruisers…. Because you didn’t need a ton of heavy cruiser to fight pirates.
There are always going to be pluses and minuses to every strategy, but the trade-off to Tarkin’s doctrine of rule by fear…. Is the constant debilitating fear. You are never going to create a status quo that the people are willing to live with, you might beat them down and force them to accept their situation at the moment, but you’re never going to make people happy with their lives willing to just accept the empires dominance of the wider galaxy in exchange for their nice quiet life dirt side. 20,000 star destroyers isn’t enough to truly control the galaxy, but it doesn’t have to be….there are no forces they can actually fight off the empire (Except the Vong) And the actual number of imperial battlewagons could have been reduced by half and the resources used to increase their patrol craft. The shift away from Venators to ISDs came at the expense of the empires ability to actually control the galaxy. They could smash any known resistance, but the resistance simply blended into the background and refused to give them a target to smash.
This scene where a single small ship escapes the larger patrol craft simply should not happen under a well structured military. A light cruiser with a small air wing should be virtually impossible to outmaneuver because it maintains a CAP capable of chasing down basically anything but the Millennium Falcon.
When the new republic took over, they didn’t just commandeer a bunch of TIE fighters and try to maintain order……they stuck with the X-wings because those gave them MUCH more bang for the buck and far more flexibility.
@@Justanotherconsumer late to this, but scared people is not automatically a subjected people. All the civ bombings by other powers proves that so long as the leaders fight, they will get their peoples support against an enemy. Even if scared and hurting, one do not backstab one's family/leaders just because fear makes you crap your pants, people are incredible stubborn that way. Even if they do not agree with them, or see a way to win, people soldier on, even if you are not a soldier.
I'm always enjoy seeing the other ships of the Imperial Navy. Interdictor and Arquetence Class are my favorites.
Give me an Interdictor, a Cantwell, a Victory, and a few Arquetens and I would end the rebellion in days.
I think some of it could be soft power over hard power... No one is afraid of a puny support ship... every one was of the ISD. So in turn you might get more better arms rebels faster as they would only need to beat tiny ships not big ones... But yes after the rebalion started winning the Empire should have switched from the soft power of look scary to hard power of be scary and counter the bg rebel ships with smaller ones they could easly spam while still have ISDs as massive middle figures to the alance that just get in the way of the alance's plans.
I would argue that fielding more Cantwell Class Crusiers would of actually prevented the Rebellion from growing to the point it did. Because it’s not threatening or oppressive
@@Gothic7876 That's a good point and for sure different groups would have different reactions. Also it would have helped cut smuggling to.
we should just strap rockets to the matilda 2, everyone will fall to it because there is nothing wrong with the matilda 2
I love how everytime the Empire tries to intercept some smaller vessels with their Star Destroyers, the smaller vessels just proceed to fly near the bridge and then flee
This ship could have saved the Empire. But it didn't want to. This ship is a cat.
Tharwn's superpower was art appreciation.
No it was art *understanding*. He didn’t win his battles because he “appreciated” art, it was because he analyzed and understood what a person or culture’s art is representative of.
Actually I think those lightsaber blades are to prevent any boarding shuttles from docking with him, and he just found a creative use for it
*sends boarding party*
"What boarding party?"
@@incompleteriver770 pretty much
They are not unprecedented either. Ship breakers in Fallen Order had a similar setup.
@@vanlain1528 I always thought the boarding torpedos in Warhammer 40k were a rip off of Starwars ideas, I could be wrong, however I "think" I read somewhere in legends, Sith using such on the front of breech vessel basically "cutting" its own airlock using spinning Saber tech. Again though less a boarding "defense" as much as an offense, ya know how Sith are about those dirty words.
@@steelgreyed Nah... Space Marines carried by torpedoes... That's Starship Troopers from the 1950s.
When you realize they probably stopped using the Cantwell Arrestor Cruiser because Luthen proved how easy it was to circumvent
Just use ION cannon lol?
All I could think of this scene was Spaceballs. “Radar about to be JAMMED!”
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I think that another ship that the Empire could have made more and better use of was the Acclamator class, for several reasons.
1.) The Acclamator, at least as it existed during the Clone Wars, only required a crew of 500, which is frankly insane for a non-droid ship of its tonnage class. This would allow for more ships to be made and crewed to full efficiency better across the galaxy and the massive crew increases (which were most likely just the Empire putting people there for pointless busywork to show the populace they gave a shit about offering them jobs) could be cut back and more evenly spread across more vessels to act as standby personnel to take over injured or deceased personnel in combat.
2.) The Acclamator had a class 0.6 hyperdrive, which is faster than pretty much any mass-produced ship used by known powers at the time. This would allow it to be used really effectively as a rapid-response and interception ship to catch rebels, pirates and unruly dissenting parties before they can do real damage or gather sufficient strength. You could also theoretically build docking ports at strategic locations across the hull to allow for smaller ships like Arquitens, Gozantis, Raiders and Lancers to attach themselves on in order to piggyback off of the Acclamator's superior hyperdrive speed, and deploy to do their thing when it enters the battle.
3.) The Acclamator, due to existing since the inception of the Clone Wars, would have relied entirely on Pre-Imperial logistics chains, meaning that you don't need to worry about the cost of setting up entire support infrastructure and research and development or testing costs that making new ship classes would.
4.) The Acclamator costs about (IIRC) only half as much as the Venator, which in of itself costs less than an ISD, which combined with the other factors listed above meant that you could crank out this simpler, reliable, (relatively) easy-to-maintain battle-tested ship in massive numbers and spread them all across the galaxy, being able to respond to local threats faster than any other vessels from out-of-system and having the armor and firepower to cleanly handle almost any threat the Empire could realistically expect to face.
So you would have local system defense ships like the Cantwell, Gozantis and Arquitens and the like, and if reinforcements are required, you could have some Acclamators arrive in record time with a handful of smaller ships deploying off of their hull to help take control of the situation.
@@ReanuKeevesAus To be fair it wasn't just the Empire that could have benefitted from a good deal of practical sense. When the Yuuzhan Vong invaded, the New Republic had multiple functional World Devastators that were just lying around in some scrapheap somewhere, and they didn't use them out of "morality", meaning that they thought that their use would cause enough of a morale loss and public backlash that it would outstrip any benefit they could give to the war effort.
There would've been a really easy way to avoid or minimize this problem. They could've just reactivated the WDs to feast on some uninhabited and/or desolate/ultrahostile systems that were rich in natural resources and have them build up tons of highly-automated and droid war assets. They would be mostly out of the way so people wouldn't have to look at them and be reminded of the Dark Empire days but they could still pump out a constant and steadily growing stream of fresh supplies and war material for the front lines. This would allow the New Republic to be less pressured on the front and have more resources with which not only to fight the Vong, but to cover for civilian evacuations and stuff.
Another benefit of the WDs is due to them being automated and a lot of the things they can build being automated, they could be used as psychological tools against the Vong themselves, ravaging Vong-infested worlds or tearing apart ships alive and processing that collected mass into swarms of highly-efficient droid war machines to throw right back at them. This would lead to more instances of the Vong becoming enraged and abandoning more sound strategies to take out the giant blocky monuments to absolute sacrilege and it would mean the New Republic could press the attack more often with far less casualties.
To be honest the entire Republic navy was well suited to dealing with the rebellion.
Acclamator's had decent weapons, extremely strong armor and a low crew count and could be pumped out pretty quickly
Venator's would have had more then enough firepower to deal with rebellion capital ships and fighters while also having an immense fighter complement that could outnumber anything the rebels could field.
Arquitens have already been shown to be very effective ships well armed and fast, small and maneuverable
Victory's well equiped with quad turbolasers dozens of twin turbolasers and macross levels of missile spam with it's 80 missile launchers it's also well suited for destroying rebellion ships.
@@phoenixx913 Yeah, and using their existing stockpile of Republic-era ships with some minor refits and situational field adaptations here and there would have had the additional benefit of maintaining popular support and public confidence for longer, as the common citizenry would associate the Imperial navy with the Republic one, meaning that as long as the imperialization of the galaxy was measured and steady, it would take more for potential rebels to commit to rebellion and dissent.
Dude when Luthen kept saying “Plus Krygeer,” it cracked me up like why do you need to keep saying that it’s just going to piss off saw and possibly get you killed or sent to bor gulet
Honestly I thought it was really cool that they brought that into canon and put it on the show shame Cantwell didn't live long enough to see it. I thought it was a nice touch.
I really appreciate your deep analysis of all things Star Wars, i thought I knew Star Wars, but I always come away from your videos with some new insight. Thanks!
I really like the arrestor design, probably would have had the big dish be a cluster of smaller ones myself but this works for the kinetic bombardment scene.
Now imagine if Thrawn had just one of these Arrestor cruisers
The battle of Atolon could've been a devastating blow for the Rebels
I don't think Arrestor cruisers would have been a good choice for that battle. The purpose of these ships seems to be to disable and capture individual ships. The arrestor cruiser only has a few powerful ion cannons, a dozen light laser cannons, and a few tractor beams. Although it can carry six times more tie fighters than a gozanti-class ship. It might be suitable for small engagements, but not an actual battle in my opinion.
those side mounted lasers i think serve a different purpose. He was just showing off with that manouver... but picture flying close to a ship like an asserter and turning one of those beems on, dragging it down the length of the ship.
Tony is either a huge Star Wars nut or he's got people feeding him REALLY good information😂
I'd bet my money on the latter.
To give Tony credit, I think he is the type of director who recognizes and admits when he doesn't know or like a fictional universe, and thus gets people who really love it and are much more informed about it to help him out.
Cause there sure aren't a lack of folks out there who both love and understand Star Wars in all its different details, though sadly they end up working for directors who basically wanna control everything (how things will look, what ships to use, what soldiers, etc), even though they're not as experienced on the subject as the people working under them. *Kind of a Palpatine/Sith parallel there.*
That's the mark of any good leader. They are aware that they know just enough to get themselves in trouble, so they hire true geeks to steer them through the details, then give them enough rope to true up the whole system.
I wonder if there were any workers/slaves that intentionally sabotaged Imperial ships like Galen Erso or that one guy in Rebels (RIP). I could see an inspector/inspection team overlooking some of the sabotages because of their hatred of the Empire.
13:10 Counter idea, what if having shields in front of such a powerful tractor beam messes with the beam? Or the shields? That could be a reason for the lack of use of those ships, they would only be useful for unarmed ships, or at least ships that can't shoot backwards.
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Good take. For the vast majority of the Star Wars saga the rebellion was an insurgency, which requires much different tactics. Some of the parallels to our modern world are unsettling.
What parallels to our modern world have you noticed? Would love to hear your thoughts thanks!!
@@ReanuKeevesAus just take any glance at what's currently occuring on the persian plataeu
9:13
Alan: As you guys know logistics is what wins wars
Me: *Cough “Russia” *Cough
My god someone who actually respects lore
cassian already mentioned how unusual the ship was the first time they went hyperspace in it. paraphrasing that the ship isn't powered by any normal means. the fact that cassian was given a very valuable khyber crystal was the second clue. the pay off was the two extra-large lightsabers that protruded on the side of the ship during this imperial chase scene.
Force fields in star wars rarely stopped objects. They were designed to protect against high energy weapons.
Citation:
Saul Gurerra/Droidika Clone Wars.
Luthen in Andor and the imperials response to non energy weapons.
No reactions with ships on close approaches in all Star Wars films (exception: the planetary force field in Rogue One and the Death Star shield in ROTJ).
In short - only the largest (planet/moon sized) shields could defend against a ship, projectile or lightly rolled grenade.
Oh, and having counter-measures to stop guided missiles. Think about it. Why would that be a thing if debris affected shielding?
Where are battles most likely to be fought? Would it be within the gravity well of a planet? That's a counter measure that only works in one unique condition.
If you think about that more it could be cool...but I know...too much science in star wars.
So...the likely need for a defense system is, in this context, invading or defending a planet. Probably going to occur in orbit, right? So the invading force could just unleash debris and it would fly into the defending ships, the planet and could wipe out communication systems and other defenses.
I like the Cantwell. I think it looks cool and unique and I welcome seeing more variety
I gotta say 30 men plus Kreyger sounds more frightening than Emma and her 2 moms
Something to consider on Luthin's ship, he's a spy, a spy master to be specific. Think of his ship as a kind of Star Wars version of the James Bond car.
I was thinking it's more along the lines of the Batmobile, but I'll allow the Bond comparison
@@fumfering Yeah, I can see it
i feel like luthen could use those lightsaber things to run along the side of a star destroyer or something and do some serious damage. it would be more practical than trying to hit tie fighters with lol
Probably what they were actually for.
Question is… could he have taken out the ship? If he could have, did he do it because he wanted Saw to be found?
Just keeping it Rael.
Those lightsaber things were dumb, like bringing a sword to a gunfight. I would imagine the smaller ship would have lost its momentum if it were actually physically cutting through the hull of a much larger ship, and could just be shot to pieces, once it was 'stuck' in place, kind of like how a sword could get stuck in a victim for a few seconds with a deep cut into the rib cage, depending on how it was used. Recall that in Phantom Menace Qui-Gon Jinn's lightsaber took a fair amount of time and effort to cut through the trade federation ship's bridge blast doors, and I'd imagine the outer hull of a ship would be similarly tough, and those things would probably drain the smaller ship's energy fast, when cutting through a lot of hull.
I like the ship sabers. Star Wars always has had ship's dog fighting in really close quarters. They're basically the scifi equivalent of spiked wheel hubs.
It's also Star Wars. Meant to be entertaining, not practical.
Honestly all the empire REALLY needed to build in order to win was Ton Falk carriers and lancer frigates. Or even just a modification of the venator with heavier armor and shielding.
A Venator with more investment in the SPHA heavy turbolasers would have been enough, I think. Some modifications to the hangar bays to allow for denser storage the TIE series allowed and it would be perfect.
Use the ISD when you fight a war, invasions snd defences. Use the arrestor for small insurgents and everything else.
That's a really interesting point and one I had mostly forgotten about.
"Wow! That ship spin looks like a creative way to throw light saber culture into a space ship battle." (-James)
Dunno if you've already done this but I'd be interested in your thoughts of the differences between Thrawn's strategy and development projects (ie the TIE Defender) and Tarkin's (Death Star) and how they may have affected the Empire's strategy as a whole?
this is the 1000th time ive heard "this ship could have saved the empire"..like jesus christ a single ship cant save a giant galactic hegemon on its own!
Great vid GenTech. I like the Victory class ISDs more than the Imperial class.
I did wonder why they launched an imperial bomber.. now I know it was a bording craft ty allen
Personally, I would even say the ISD should be completely different. Get rid of the fighter wing (Including the large hangar), the pre-fabricated base, the stormtrooper legion, and the entire complement of army vehicles. Instead have the bridge be built where the hangar would be. Deep into the ship, like Battlestar Galactica CIC. Have two small hangars for VIP shuttles, supply shuttles, and boarding craft to be housed. You can also build enough space in these hangars for half a squadron of TIE-Defenders each. The rest of the ship would be focused on heavy turbolasers, ion cannons, and a good laser cannon array to destroy any fighter that gets near the vessel. Get rid of the current ISD bridge, that super tall structure in the back. Use the center-middle of the vessel to place the heaviest turbolasers so that you can have the biggest guns always aiming at enemies in front, and sides. For fighters, use some kind of TIE-Droid; take inspiration from the CIS and come up with a Vulture droid kind of fighter, something that can attach to the outside of the vessel. These would act as "wingmen" for the TIE-Defenders and can be controlled from the CIC or even a two-seater TIE-Defender.
Basically a blend of Empire and First Order thinking. A much smaller ISD that resembles a Resurgent-Class, but with no large hangars and stormtrooper legion. You want a space battleship, so let it be a battleship. More specialize ships would be amazing for the Galactic Empire, not these jacks of all trades, masters of none.
EDIT: Also, make the vessel not so logistics intensive and much easier to manufacture. Make like 2,000 of these. But at the moment you see a serious rebellion forming, you can start making these bad boys like bakery making bread.
ISD's were designed for planetary invasions, which is why it carried troops and ground armor. There were dedicated naval combat ISD versions like the Tector class.
@@gasparayakos8215 correct. But my argument is why not allow the Acclamator-class to do most of the planetary invasion operations?
And the Tector-class was cool, but still has vulnerabilities from the ISD. Such as an exposed bridge and a weapons array that do not take advantage of the vessel's shape.
@@LordVader5738 Acclamators where phased out during the Imperial era. No one had the firepower to slug it out with an ISD anyways so dedicated warships or transports weren't really needed, as the ISD filled out all those roles.
@@gasparayakos8215 Correct, and the Acclamator-class should have been kept in service. I would have come up with a better version of the Acclamator-class, perhaps a 2 or 3 model.
ISDs did all those roles so well, the Empire lasted only a couple decades versus the Republic that lasted thousands of years. Shows how horrible Palpatine managed the government.
Bringing a battleship when all you need is a patrol boat would be an overkill... definitely.
Serious Andor quotes taken out of context used like a meme is so funny
"You were supposed to bring the nachos, not eat them"
I almost choked on the nacho I was eating lmao
Tony Gilroy seems to accurately reproduce the 70s Star Wars style in everything. The interfaces look like the Death Star plans in the movie. I'm so thankful for Rogue One and Andor, definitely the highlights of Disney Star Wars as well as Mando s1+2 following it.
This feels the same as “Germany would have won had they just produced more Panzer 4s”
So great that we're finally seeing some imperial ships other than the ISD
Those lazers are a Easter egg. Luthen's Sith!
Saw: That's 30 men!
Luthen: Plus Krieger. 🤣
All I can think about in that scene is... "Let's try spinning! Spinning's a good trick!"
That thing's tractor beam is waaaay too exposed man. They should just streamline interdictor cruisers and use them. With the gravity well generator an enemy ship just couldn't escape at all.
That dual lightsaber for the ship was also a weapon power up for Guardian Legend
"Sgt Tactical Blueberry" just kills me.
I love your reviews and all your infinite Star Wars wisdom. For me, it's unparalleled, sir!! You are a fountain of SW knowledge - kinda like that fountain on planet Aleen (sp?) from Mercy Mission (only from better days when the planet likely had a different biosphere and water, perhaps, was in much more prominence across the planet's boundaries, thus water gushing from said fountain with regularity!) in the Clone Wars series in season four, episode five; it's the fountain on Aleen, I believe, the fountain that spat out R2D2 & C3P0 once R2D2 solved the riddle given out by the fairy Orphne (sp?)! Keep up the great work, sir! I love listening to you talk Star Wars!!!!
"Why do you need thousands of these ships when your enemy is bringing at most, what?
-30 men
-plus Crigur"
LMAAOO
I like to think that the plans to reach power were made by Plagueis, and Palpatine was only following them until they reached it’s conclusion. That would close many holes…
they certainly planned it together at the very least , & parts of the plan may be even older
Your whole description of the Empire at 5 BBY is what the real world is now.
I was legit waiting for the end to have an end credit scene where we see the IBS suddenly under new leadership and that leader ends up being Thrawn... would have blown my mind.
I'm still waiting for Benedict Cumberbatch to bring the character to life.
Isn't the ISB even more humanocentric than the Navy?
The James Bond equivalent of the Aston Martin.
Building tens of thousands of star destroyers to take on rebels is like building nothing but a fleet of battleships to take on speed boats and the occasional tug boat that someone mounted a couple of guns to.
In fairness the Rebel Alliance in the old Legends continuity was a more massive military power than what we see in the new Canon material. The war also lasted a lot longer, spanning decades rather than a handful of years. The Empire going overkill with producing a fleet to fight it made more sense there.
To be honest functionality has alot of beauty behind it
Timothy Zahn also wrote an original sci-fi series called the Dragonback series.
Love it.
if one dish is a tractor beam what r the other two? more tractor beams or possibly comms?
3:07 What do you mean, it’s badass.
I’ve always believed that Palpatine just wanted the galaxy to burn, he knows that fear easily turn into hate and hate would create a rebellion
Meanwhile the interdictor:
*AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!*
I would have to agree: more bigger is not more better. Many CAPABLE smaller cruisers would provide an ECONOMICAL flexibility that the ISD's simply couldn't provide. Well done video and I subscribed .
I remember reading something in the old Starwars rpg about the Star Destroyers in that the rebels considered them to be a bit of a white elephant...2354 known exploitable design flaws and counting.
2:58 Wait, that looks an awful lot like the concept carrier that was supposed to carry star destroyers back when they were planned to be the dogfighters of the empire, instead of tie fighters, interesting nod
Those things Luthen used to shred that beam reminded me of Mando's Whistling Birds.
Those side lasers reminds me of Iron Man 2 when Tony destroys multiple drones with lasers on his wrists
I don't know what you're smoking, the Cantor looks Dope
I think this ship is mentioned in the tarkin novel, trying to catch Corvette.
I believe those were the interdiction ships like the immobilized
@@GenerationTech well it sounded like 3 different types, and one was the cc detainer . ( and the immobiliser prototype as well ) i forget the other one . I thought maybe corealian corporation , but cantwel class . Makes sense.
Gilroy is very familiar with how different governments run. The ISB meetings are very similar to the meetings in the BOURNE movies.
Beating the rebellion with facts and logic
This would be more like the navy stopping some smugglers, state troopers would be like those x wings in mando pulling over the razorcrest
Yes, I fully agree. Fleets of these should have been made, instead of the other. Maybe quite a heavy battle ready beast -but..!..if ..as you properly point out, put to use correctly, could have been a means to extend the life of the Empire..as long as the right people were in command ..even though most bad guys, aren't as technically..sensible as the very few like Thran..(thank heavens).
Excellent vid, ty
Well when I saw the countermeasures I was wondering why it worked so well and why that kind of weapon is not more popular among all the ships, but then I realized that the Empire helped boost its strength - the tractor beam was at its maximum power so it only accelerated those shrapnels.
Also why there is no reverse tractor beam (mixed with those shrapnels launcher) it would be so good AA weapon for Empire to deal with the rebels.
I would have just spammed Cantweel and Arquitence cruisers in the hundreds of thousands and at the very most had 5K ISDs. And I would have kept far more Victory and venator class ships in service for longer. And the only way I would build any SSDs is if they had superlasers and I would probably only build one for myself and perhaps afew to protect HVTs(no more than 10). Basically I have the star destroyers I can occasionally send if I need the tarkin doctrine to be shown but I still mostly use a practical police fleet
The counter measures were awesome, very much a case of "using the enemy's strength against them". The laser beams were, hmm... I think I'd have preferred them if they were just like fixed rapid firing blasters, unless there's some practical use for them.
In essence: the ISD can do everything, but it's a waste of resources to use a swat team, a crack detective, and a bomb defusal unit to pull over a drunk driver.
It’s basically as if highways were patrolled with M1 Abrams instead of patrol cars