0:18 Intro & road bike topics 1:10 BMC Road Machine - Category confusion, Endurance, Gravel, Road. 12:16 Romor about Trek Madone 17:42 New Fox Dampers and other stuff
Great convo. Bang on what us mere mortals are so confused over. Thanks fellahs. A disparaged and looked down on Domane Gen4 owner here, lucky enough to buy a new bike/upgrade. Old competitive road dog with early onset arthritis, reconstructed shoulders, low flexibility. Mostly road, crappy back roads, a bit of gravel. Still want to leap up hills and hammer the flats, on good days. What then is the best bike upgrade for me? Answer: Upgrade from the basic Domane SL7 to a heavily discounted Domane SLR7 with an RSL wheelset upgrade and Coefficient AR bars. Yep, for some it’s a Frankenstein, but prices are tumbling and there’s nowt wrong with a bit of Iso cushioning on top of those 32mm tyres. Still, Mr Mapdec’s excursion in Mallorca with the Look got me tempted!
Great podcast guys. Thanks for the super content! I was shocked by the Ergon/Canyon rebranded VCLS seat post plus some 32mm tubeless tyres. The perfect setup for comfort on any endurance adventure but with enough training, the bike with these parts won’t let you down in speed on a fast group ride.
Having owned a few endurance bikes I have to admit that the new All Road name is far more appealing to me than the word Endurance. The latter isn’t always true as lots of people buy them for the more relaxed fit and not necessarily to ride big miles.
As far as I can work out, 'All Road' translates as less lively cross bike. My stable is Giant TCX for all but the very long days where an endurance bike for road is prefered and for off road is my N+1 gravel bike (A market that is still developing rapidly). I think you nailed it with the GT car comparision for endurance bikes but the marketing clarity is a lot harder in the cycling world. Cheifly because Grand Tours are race events on race bikes, ultra events are backpacking, so I guess they should be called Audax bikes?
In reality, most of us UK leisure cyclists only really need a Giant Defy with some decent wheels, 32 or 35 mm tyres and mechanical 105. There are very few areas of the country that have any meaningful miles of what the Americans would recognise as gravel roads, and I'd wager that a lot of what we're riding on our gravel bikes would be better done on a hardtail mountain bike. But we like to have nice(r) things...
I’m going to commit to yoga and stretching to make sure that day never comes. We have a 75 year old member of our gym that rides slammed stems and TT bikes. Inspiration.
@@Mapdec Impressive stuff! I hope I can still ride regularly when I'm 75. At 39, I currently feel fitter than I have been since I was a kid. Some of that may be due to my Alpe d'Huez though. 😂 Especially now it has Roval Alpinist CLX wheels on it... Interested to know why you have the Venon in the workshop? Guessing something to do with Wiggle laying off all their staff before having sold all their bikes...
1.59 about the wider industry…… “I don’t know how we’ve managed to confuse this endurance name” …….had me in stitches lads 🤣we all know that far too many bike brands label a donkey as a racehorse or unicorn to push another sale on unsuspecting buyers. You nailed it ……..about time someone pulled them out……. (it’s dark in there)…………., just be aware they’re a long way up 😁
Chris and Jesse from the Nero show made a podcast asking why Giant is still realinsing new TCRs. The arguments were that it is an iconic bike, they sell tons of them so they had to make a new one for its public. They also said that if the Propel is a no brainer for racing, both bikes feels pretty different : the TCR typically feels very snappy in attacks, which some people prefer to the Propel which is more of a "steady speed" kind of bike. About the RCRs sold out, it was really hard to find one, even here in Lille where they have 2 massive stores, one of them also being the Van Rysel headquarter. It seems that they sorted this out, i saw several RCRs in various colours and sizes this week. I don't know how well they prepared the release in the UK, but I wouldn't be surprised if the stock was pretty slim.
My canyon aeroad is not marketed as an endurance bike, but I do 150+ km rides on it. My torso is long, so I'm in quite an upright position on it. Perfectly comfortable. Put 30 mm tyres on it and it works fine on rougher roads - I do have to say I live in the Netherlands so even the bad roads are pretty good ;). In other countries I'd get a bike with more tyre clearance :)
All-road appeals to me - I don’t have the space/money for 5 bikes but I still want to do as much cycling as possible. For me it needs: - Geometry that is comfortable on road, controllable off road. - Enough tyre clearance for light off roading/pothole resistance - Mudguard mounts and maybe some extra bag mounts too. - The usual desirables: high quality, few proprietary parts, easily serviceable, good value etc. The question is, does that bike exist?!
That would be the dream but a bit on the pricey side. I can’t say internal cables bother me a great deal and your BB video has converted me to the BB365evo
I agree it's confusing but after riding my 1x Roadmachine X for a while I thought about getting a 2x with clearance for 32mm GP5000s. But 9/10 brands so far only got listed width of 30mm, some even less. TCR got 32mm listed (propel 30mm), I guess I have to wait for another iteration since wider slick tires are getting more popular.
endurance bikes focuses on geometry and compliance when rim brakes max out on 28c, all road focuses on tire size when disc brakes broke the clearance ceiling.
hee good show dont forget to put a picture in picture when you are talking about a bike than we know what you are talking about rock on always like the small details you show keep it up holland is watching you hahaha cheereo chaps to quote a fish cald wonder hahaha mutch love and thanks for the tech we love to eat tech
What's wrong with the Domane . Looks like the road market is going to get more confusing before it makes sense. Look at the mtb DH, XC, XC race, ENDURO, down country, mid travel long travel short travel, all mountain, free ride, trial, DJ, (some are obvious but it's never ending)
The Domane has so many flexy bits and bobs they creak from everywhere! They also sit you really upright with the weight bias on the saddle. makes the front wheel light and give you a sore butt.
@Mapdec Have you ridden the SL6 Gen4 for a period of time? It has a fixed, non-adjustable rear ISO speed and that is it (not so many flexi bits you mention). Granted its not racebike, but I wouldn't say I'm sat so sat upright when I want to make progress (I'm more legs than torso). Paired with some Carbon 40's and 30C Pirelli P-Zero's, I can't fault it as an all-rounder.
I’m not sure I get the heat for the Domane. I currently have 10,000 km on mine and routinely do 70 to 100 km on a ride. I’ve got a nice set of wheels on it and I’m running 30 mm GP 5000 tires I’m 61 years old and I can go out and do 120 km, with 1100 m elevation and not be sore.
An endurance bike to me is something that I could possibly ride since any other road bike has far too long a reach for my short torso. But even a lot of endurance bikes are too long for me. Hello, 50 mm stems...
Other than a shorter stem, not much. I do have a zero set back post for a different bike build but I'm hesitant to put my weight too far forward because my hands are already going numb. Although I have wondered of that's bike fit or lack of core conditioning. I am planning on using a narrower and shorter reach drop bar for my old steel Trek 400 series from the early 80s.
@@jrother moving your saddle further forward will open hip angle. But then do something with it. Sadly numb hands is nearly always a core issue. You can solve by making bars higher and higher, but then you get a sore butt and zero glute activity.
Seems your definition of All Road is similar to what some brands are saying as gravel race, as opposed to gravel adventure. Even the Time ADHX 45 rides more like an all road, just bigger tires than the ADHX
They ride the S5 in flat and low roller stages, but you are correct, none of them are riding that bike with low profile wheels. Vingo and others also ride the Caledonia 5 in various TDF prep races.
haha, it depends on the size, That frame is a mess. In my size, which would have to be an XL (lol) it would be a crit racing bike. Short, steep, low trail, low stack. In the small sizes its more like a TT bike. in the middle sizes its more like an endurance bike. They haven't done a good job of sizing. I suspect they have tried to reduce the amount of moulds required and tried to squeeze it all together.
(9mins 20ish) OK, so... if someone is always riding on the road, they should be getting an endurance bike, but if they also want to ride off road, then they should get an "all-road" bike. Methinks the terminology problem remains unsolved...
Regarding TCR vs Propel, one thing that often gets overlooked for some reason is vertical compliance. I haven't ridden either, but I'd suspect that the TCR would be a fair amount more compliant. Since I prefer a bike with race geometry, I'd sacrifice 5 watts of aero performance for a more compliant ride, so TCR for me vs Propel and Defy.
it depends on the tier, both are very stiff frames. I have always felt the TCR flex a bit at the front, felt mostly when out of the saddle or low on the drops. Millions would disagree with me though and claim the TCR is the stiffest thing ever.
No. Dura Ace is a racing spec groupset. It’s been designed for racing on roads. It was never designed for endurance or all road and all weathers like 105 is. It’s about fit for purpose. It’s why 105, Rival etc have different gear ratio options and made of materials less prone to corrosion. No one had really made a really top tier gravel / all road groupset yet. I am sure it will come.
@@Mapdec Totally wrong. People race on Ultegra and 105. People also do epic endurance rides on Dura Ace. How is titanium, carbon and alloy more prone to corrosion than just alloy and steel? If anything those 105 parts are more prone. Painted vs anodized. Dura Ace parts in general lasts longer too. People buy what they want. There is no hard rule that top tier groupset must go on top tier frames. That's just snoody bike shop talk.
@@openwheelracing88 yes. They do. And they can. But come on. Why fit a dura ace groupset on a 2kg trek Domane frame that’s only a couple of hundred grams lighter than an Ultegra groupset. That is mad waste of £1000. It won’t make the bike any faster, better handling or more comfortable. You may as well invest in a personalised 3D printed saddle instead. Problem is that folk rate ‘nice bike’ by the groupset. Hang a Dura Ace off a Dolan and you will get cycle club kudos.
People can do epic rides on DA, but that does not mean it is better suited to such rides or is more durable than Ultegra or 105. By far the 3 biggest points of wear on a bike grouppo are the cassette cogs, the chain and the chainrings. And in none of those cases will DA last as long as Ultegra or 105 because its’ chains and chainrings are more delicate for weight savings and in the case of DA cassettes a number of the cogs are titanium and they absolutely always wear faster than a comparable beefier Ultegra or 105 steel cogged cassette. I think the main point Mapdec is trying to get at is the main advantage of DA over Ultegra or 105 is some minor weight savings that an all out racer would be concerned about. Why spend that extra cash for some minor component weight savings on a relatively heavy endurance or touring bike packing type frame? You have already sacrificed at least if not more weight on the frameset versus a high end race frame with that endurance/touring type frame and now you are going to spend an arm and a leg trying to bring its relative bike weight back down just a bit. It would almost be like putting a super high end performance set of Pirelli tires designed for a Porsche 911 Turbo on a Honda Accord commuter sedan. Why do it?
@@ivanboesky1520 features like gear ratio choice, derailleur capacity, and chain line options. For instance. XPLR and Dub wide is not on Red. DA has no 11-36 option. Durability is also featured. Solid cranks instead of bonded alu or carbon suit bad weather riding. 105 di2 has 2 batteries in levers etc.
There will always be people who, because they can afford it, will buy the most expensive frame of the category they what and stick a top end group set on it to ride to the cafe! That’s their prerogative as a consumer, how ever ill advised it may seem 😉
Why is it ill advised? If the cash price is not really material to them it’s not like a higher end bike is going to fall apart on the way to the cafe for a latte. 😀
Correct. He uses the R5 on mountainous stages and the S5 on flat and low rolling hills stages. On occasion he has also broken out a Caledonia 5 on various stage races in TDF prep races.
@daniels.2720 I haven't rode a steel bike since my last BMX in 1996; it's been two 6061 aluminum mountain bikes. If I had 💰💰12,000🍁 I'd be ordering a MOOTS Titanium "wishbone" frame 😁🤘🤘. I also really like the looks of the MOOTS YBB frames too👍👍
@Mapdec Good to hear🤘🤘. I know carbon has a better strength to weight ratio than Titanium, and that's ok. I'd rather have the material that will last much longer Ti🤘🤘 "YEAH❗️"
Carbon fiber bikes last a long time unless you are regularly crashing them and even then a damaged CF frame is much easier and less costly to repair than a damaged ti, aluminum or steel frame. Not sure where the urban legend comes from that CF frames are not durable because they are. I have a 2014 Cervelo R3 that has several tens of thousands of miles on it. Has been up and back down pretty much every major known climb in France, Switzerland and Northern Italy, some multiple times. Rides exactly the same today as it did in 2014 new. Bought a used early generation Trek OCLV 2300 CF frame with downtube shifters off EBAY about a decade ago for $200. Bike rides perfectly fine and that frameset is now 30 years old.
“all road “ and “endurance” not the same? The bike builder should just describe the bike as percentages of road, race, gravel, etc. example: Time ADH 100% road race, Time ADHX 70% endurance, 30% gravel etc
0:18 Intro & road bike topics
1:10 BMC Road Machine - Category confusion, Endurance, Gravel, Road.
12:16 Romor about Trek Madone
17:42 New Fox Dampers and other stuff
Endurance bike definition to me = anything you ride comfortably 200+ miles in a "reasonably" short time, probably in minimalist bikepacking guise.
Built for comfort over speed would be how I see it
Great convo. Bang on what us mere mortals are so confused over. Thanks fellahs.
A disparaged and looked down on Domane Gen4 owner here, lucky enough to buy a new bike/upgrade.
Old competitive road dog with early onset arthritis, reconstructed shoulders, low flexibility. Mostly road, crappy back roads, a bit of gravel. Still want to leap up hills and hammer the flats, on good days. What then is the best bike upgrade for me?
Answer: Upgrade from the basic Domane SL7 to a heavily discounted Domane SLR7 with an RSL wheelset upgrade and Coefficient AR bars. Yep, for some it’s a Frankenstein, but prices are tumbling and there’s nowt wrong with a bit of Iso cushioning on top of those 32mm tyres.
Still, Mr Mapdec’s excursion in Mallorca with the Look got me tempted!
If you are in the area come and try the Time ADHX. If not try out a Cervelo Caledonia,
Second the Caledonia
Great podcast guys. Thanks for the super content!
I was shocked by the Ergon/Canyon rebranded VCLS seat post plus some 32mm tubeless tyres. The perfect setup for comfort on any endurance adventure but with enough training, the bike with these parts won’t let you down in speed on a fast group ride.
Having owned a few endurance bikes I have to admit that the new All Road name is far more appealing to me than the word Endurance. The latter isn’t always true as lots of people buy them for the more relaxed fit and not necessarily to ride big miles.
As far as I can work out, 'All Road' translates as less lively cross bike. My stable is Giant TCX for all but the very long days where an endurance bike for road is prefered and for off road is my N+1 gravel bike (A market that is still developing rapidly).
I think you nailed it with the GT car comparision for endurance bikes but the marketing clarity is a lot harder in the cycling world. Cheifly because Grand Tours are race events on race bikes, ultra events are backpacking, so I guess they should be called Audax bikes?
In reality, most of us UK leisure cyclists only really need a Giant Defy with some decent wheels, 32 or 35 mm tyres and mechanical 105. There are very few areas of the country that have any meaningful miles of what the Americans would recognise as gravel roads, and I'd wager that a lot of what we're riding on our gravel bikes would be better done on a hardtail mountain bike.
But we like to have nice(r) things...
I’m going to commit to yoga and stretching to make sure that day never comes. We have a 75 year old member of our gym that rides slammed stems and TT bikes. Inspiration.
@@Mapdec Impressive stuff! I hope I can still ride regularly when I'm 75. At 39, I currently feel fitter than I have been since I was a kid. Some of that may be due to my Alpe d'Huez though. 😂 Especially now it has Roval Alpinist CLX wheels on it...
Interested to know why you have the Venon in the workshop? Guessing something to do with Wiggle laying off all their staff before having sold all their bikes...
@@SichardRamuels a venon? Where did you spot that?
@@Mapdec It was late last night that I watched the video, but I'm sure you or Jake mentioned having a Vitus Venon in at the moment.
1.59 about the wider industry…… “I don’t know how we’ve managed to confuse this endurance name” …….had me in stitches lads 🤣we all know that far too many bike brands label a donkey as a racehorse or unicorn to push another sale on unsuspecting buyers. You nailed it ……..about time someone pulled them out……. (it’s dark in there)…………., just be aware they’re a long way up 😁
Chris and Jesse from the Nero show made a podcast asking why Giant is still realinsing new TCRs. The arguments were that it is an iconic bike, they sell tons of them so they had to make a new one for its public. They also said that if the Propel is a no brainer for racing, both bikes feels pretty different : the TCR typically feels very snappy in attacks, which some people prefer to the Propel which is more of a "steady speed" kind of bike.
About the RCRs sold out, it was really hard to find one, even here in Lille where they have 2 massive stores, one of them also being the Van Rysel headquarter. It seems that they sorted this out, i saw several RCRs in various colours and sizes this week. I don't know how well they prepared the release in the UK, but I wouldn't be surprised if the stock was pretty slim.
The new propel feels very nippy these days.
My canyon aeroad is not marketed as an endurance bike, but I do 150+ km rides on it. My torso is long, so I'm in quite an upright position on it. Perfectly comfortable. Put 30 mm tyres on it and it works fine on rougher roads - I do have to say I live in the Netherlands so even the bad roads are pretty good ;). In other countries I'd get a bike with more tyre clearance :)
For sure. I mean they just raced Paris Roubaix on stiff aero bikes. Experience, fitness and conditioning has the biggest role to play.
All-road appeals to me - I don’t have the space/money for 5 bikes but I still want to do as much cycling as possible. For me it needs:
- Geometry that is comfortable on road, controllable off road.
- Enough tyre clearance for light off roading/pothole resistance
- Mudguard mounts and maybe some extra bag mounts too.
- The usual desirables: high quality, few proprietary parts, easily serviceable, good value etc.
The question is, does that bike exist?!
Umm. I would say come and try the ADHX, but the Bb386 EVO and internal routing might not rock your easy to maintain box
That would be the dream but a bit on the pricey side. I can’t say internal cables bother me a great deal and your BB video has converted me to the BB365evo
I think it's probably best to understand geometry and not be concerned with the labels.
I agree it's confusing but after riding my 1x Roadmachine X for a while I thought about getting a 2x with clearance for 32mm GP5000s.
But 9/10 brands so far only got listed width of 30mm, some even less. TCR got 32mm listed (propel 30mm), I guess I have to wait for another iteration since wider slick tires are getting more popular.
Just in time for the drive home
endurance bikes focuses on geometry and compliance when rim brakes max out on 28c, all road focuses on tire size when disc brakes broke the clearance ceiling.
hee good show dont forget to put a picture in picture when you are talking about a bike than we know what you are talking about rock on always like the small details you show keep it up holland is watching you hahaha cheereo chaps to quote a fish cald wonder hahaha mutch love and thanks for the tech we love to eat tech
we will try, quite a lot going on right now. thanks so much for watching.
So is my Time ADHX an Endurance, All Road or Gravel bike?
What's wrong with the Domane .
Looks like the road market is going to get more confusing before it makes sense. Look at the mtb DH, XC, XC race, ENDURO, down country, mid travel long travel short travel, all mountain, free ride, trial, DJ, (some are obvious but it's never ending)
The Domane has so many flexy bits and bobs they creak from everywhere! They also sit you really upright with the weight bias on the saddle. makes the front wheel light and give you a sore butt.
@@MapdecFunny. I have been considering getting a custom frame based on Domane geometry 🤷♂️
@Mapdec Have you ridden the SL6 Gen4 for a period of time? It has a fixed, non-adjustable rear ISO speed and that is it (not so many flexi bits you mention).
Granted its not racebike, but I wouldn't say I'm sat so sat upright when I want to make progress (I'm more legs than torso).
Paired with some Carbon 40's and 30C Pirelli P-Zero's, I can't fault it as an all-rounder.
In a very crowded premium bicycle market space - Enve has made quite an impression. There’s no denying that.
I’m not sure I get the heat for the Domane. I currently have 10,000 km on mine and routinely do 70 to 100 km on a ride. I’ve got a nice set of wheels on it and I’m running 30 mm GP 5000 tires I’m 61 years old and I can go out and do 120 km, with 1100 m elevation and not be sore.
TCR will sell like hot cakes. Not everyone is fond of aero frames.
I spent £2000 on a bike and wanted that to work perfectly, it didn’t, but £2000 or £9000 it doesn’t matter the cost, it should work.😊👍
Yes. Fundamentally whatever the cost, a bike should be safe and functional.
An endurance bike to me is something that I could possibly ride since any other road bike has far too long a reach for my short torso. But even a lot of endurance bikes are too long for me. Hello, 50 mm stems...
What have you tried to push your weight further forward instead and have some control of your front wheel? 0 layback post, steeper seat angles, etc
Other than a shorter stem, not much. I do have a zero set back post for a different bike build but I'm hesitant to put my weight too far forward because my hands are already going numb. Although I have wondered of that's bike fit or lack of core conditioning. I am planning on using a narrower and shorter reach drop bar for my old steel Trek 400 series from the early 80s.
@@jrother moving your saddle further forward will open hip angle. But then do something with it. Sadly numb hands is nearly always a core issue. You can solve by making bars higher and higher, but then you get a sore butt and zero glute activity.
Seems your definition of All Road is similar to what some brands are saying as gravel race, as opposed to gravel adventure.
Even the Time ADHX 45 rides more like an all road, just bigger tires than the ADHX
...MMMMM AGAIN!! 11.40 you might want to check the geo charts on the those cervelos...S5 shorter chain stays...they are both heavy.
Off topic: please do a video reviewing Hambini vs Reginald Scot bearing removal 😂
I’m not stepping into that cat fight
@@Mapdec 🤣🤣🤣 do a Kickstarter campaign
They ride the R5 in mountain stages. Who is riding S5 with shallow wheels?
They ride the S5 in flat and low roller stages, but you are correct, none of them are riding that bike with low profile wheels. Vingo and others also ride the Caledonia 5 in various TDF prep races.
What would you consider the class of bike the windspace SLC 2.0 is.
haha, it depends on the size, That frame is a mess. In my size, which would have to be an XL (lol) it would be a crit racing bike. Short, steep, low trail, low stack. In the small sizes its more like a TT bike. in the middle sizes its more like an endurance bike. They haven't done a good job of sizing. I suspect they have tried to reduce the amount of moulds required and tried to squeeze it all together.
(9mins 20ish) OK, so... if someone is always riding on the road, they should be getting an endurance bike, but if they also want to ride off road, then they should get an "all-road" bike. Methinks the terminology problem remains unsolved...
Yes, I think the answer is less marketing BS and some info on geo choice.
@@Mapdec ………exactly 👍
Regarding TCR vs Propel, one thing that often gets overlooked for some reason is vertical compliance. I haven't ridden either, but I'd suspect that the TCR would be a fair amount more compliant. Since I prefer a bike with race geometry, I'd sacrifice 5 watts of aero performance for a more compliant ride, so TCR for me vs Propel and Defy.
it depends on the tier, both are very stiff frames. I have always felt the TCR flex a bit at the front, felt mostly when out of the saddle or low on the drops. Millions would disagree with me though and claim the TCR is the stiffest thing ever.
Why can’t people use top end groupset on $3k $4k mid tier frames? Is Dura Ace only reserved for frames costing $5k more? Bazaar thoughts.
No. Dura Ace is a racing spec groupset. It’s been designed for racing on roads. It was never designed for endurance or all road and all weathers like 105 is. It’s about fit for purpose. It’s why 105, Rival etc have different gear ratio options and made of materials less prone to corrosion. No one had really made a really top tier gravel / all road groupset yet. I am sure it will come.
@@Mapdec Totally wrong. People race on Ultegra and 105. People also do epic endurance rides on Dura Ace. How is titanium, carbon and alloy more prone to corrosion than just alloy and steel? If anything those 105 parts are more prone. Painted vs anodized. Dura Ace parts in general lasts longer too. People buy what they want. There is no hard rule that top tier groupset must go on top tier frames. That's just snoody bike shop talk.
@@openwheelracing88 yes. They do. And they can. But come on. Why fit a dura ace groupset on a 2kg trek Domane frame that’s only a couple of hundred grams lighter than an Ultegra groupset. That is mad waste of £1000. It won’t make the bike any faster, better handling or more comfortable. You may as well invest in a personalised 3D printed saddle instead. Problem is that folk rate ‘nice bike’ by the groupset. Hang a Dura Ace off a Dolan and you will get cycle club kudos.
People can do epic rides on DA, but that does not mean it is better suited to such rides or is more durable than Ultegra or 105. By far the 3 biggest points of wear on a bike grouppo are the cassette cogs, the chain and the chainrings. And in none of those cases will DA last as long as Ultegra or 105 because its’ chains and chainrings are more delicate for weight savings and in the case of DA cassettes a number of the cogs are titanium and they absolutely always wear faster than a comparable beefier Ultegra or 105 steel cogged cassette.
I think the main point Mapdec is trying to get at is the main advantage of DA over Ultegra or 105 is some minor weight savings that an all out racer would be concerned about. Why spend that extra cash for some minor component weight savings on a relatively heavy endurance or touring bike packing type frame? You have already sacrificed at least if not more weight on the frameset versus a high end race frame with that endurance/touring type frame and now you are going to spend an arm and a leg trying to bring its relative bike weight back down just a bit. It would almost be like putting a super high end performance set of Pirelli tires designed for a Porsche 911 Turbo on a Honda Accord commuter sedan. Why do it?
@@ivanboesky1520 features like gear ratio choice, derailleur capacity, and chain line options. For instance. XPLR and Dub wide is not on Red. DA has no 11-36 option. Durability is also featured. Solid cranks instead of bonded alu or carbon suit bad weather riding. 105 di2 has 2 batteries in levers etc.
There will always be people who, because they can afford it, will buy the most expensive frame of the category they what and stick a top end group set on it to ride to the cafe! That’s their prerogative as a consumer, how ever ill advised it may seem 😉
Why is it ill advised? If the cash price is not really material to them it’s not like a higher end bike is going to fall apart on the way to the cafe for a latte. 😀
It’s confusing 🙈
Vingegaard mostly rides mountain stages... on R5. sorry guys.
Correct. He uses the R5 on mountainous stages and the S5 on flat and low rolling hills stages. On occasion he has also broken out a Caledonia 5 on various stage races in TDF prep races.
@@ivanboesky1520they've used the soloist
Are all Endurance bikes carbon, or are some Titanium?
Mine is steel: Ritchey
@daniels.2720 I haven't rode a steel bike since my last BMX in 1996; it's been two 6061 aluminum mountain bikes. If I had 💰💰12,000🍁 I'd be ordering a MOOTS Titanium "wishbone" frame 😁🤘🤘. I also really like the looks of the MOOTS YBB frames too👍👍
There are some excellent titanium custom builder s
@Mapdec Good to hear🤘🤘. I know carbon has a better strength to weight ratio than Titanium, and that's ok. I'd rather have the material that will last much longer Ti🤘🤘 "YEAH❗️"
Carbon fiber bikes last a long time unless you are regularly crashing them and even then a damaged CF frame is much easier and less costly to repair than a damaged ti, aluminum or steel frame. Not sure where the urban legend comes from that CF frames are not durable because they are.
I have a 2014 Cervelo R3 that has several tens of thousands of miles on it. Has been up and back down pretty much every major known climb in France, Switzerland and Northern Italy, some multiple times. Rides exactly the same today as it did in 2014 new. Bought a used early generation Trek OCLV 2300 CF frame with downtube shifters off EBAY about a decade ago for $200. Bike rides perfectly fine and that frameset is now 30 years old.
6:50 isn’t that just a CX Bike? Instead of endurance or gravel
Yeah. You could well be right.
“all road “ and “endurance” not the same?
The bike builder should just describe the bike as percentages of road, race, gravel, etc. example: Time ADH 100% road race, Time ADHX 70% endurance, 30% gravel etc
Isospeed is nice
Has yours started creaking and turning your frame oval yet?
No. I have a carbon rim brake domane 2019. Hopefully it won’t happen lol
MAMIL Bike?
Look are a progressive company… really 🤣