Diablo 4 State Of Sorcs : More Nerfs WHY? Season 5 : Sorc Players are Upset : Suggestions
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Diablo 4 State Of Sorcs : More Nerfs WHY? Season 5 : Sorc Players are Upset : Suggestions
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The fix is easy: Take the team in charge of barb - transfer them to sorc. Take the team in charge of sorc, put them in customer service purgatory. Jobs done.
😂😂😂 I like it
^This guy is a straight talker with upper management written all over him.
@@russelljackson8153 Thanks Bob!
Bro it’s the same team. There is only one class design team. The core issue here, which extends beyond class design, is that the core team in charge of this game have very little experience in designing these kind of games, let alone communicating their vision for the game in general. Adam, the Lead Class designer for the game, by the way, along with Joseph, before D4, were working on Heroes of the Storm. There you go.
Honestly I am at a point where I don’t think these folks know how to design arpg’s, let alone classes.
So customer service to barb team?😂
He had atleast one really bad take he said if they released chain lightning as it is from the ptr the Sorc would be in a really good spot 12:42. If that 1 skill was the strongest skill in the game it still wouldn’t fix the class. We want to be able to play multiple builds obviously.
As a barb player, and with Blizz devs stating that they want to bring classes up to the level of Barb, why don't they just leave Barb unchanged for a season or two and just focus on the balances of the other classes.
They haven’t changed barb and they won’t because he is at good state honestly and other classes will came at his power level at some point
This makes sense but they hate the other classes
@kostisxristoforidis7196 barbs have gotten buffs the last few patches my man. So since they are in amazing state right now means don't nerf them don't buff them don't touch them just push everyone else up to match.
As a sorc main the biggest problem I see is a lack of a scaling damage multiplier like Victimize for rogue and hemorrhage/gushing wounds for barb. These give insane multipliers and sorcs have none. Also the lack of damage resist sustain like dark shrouds for rogue really make the class feel bad when you run out of barrier, very very bad.
As a laymen I still don't understand that if I want to build a pure Electric/Cold Mage I need to put points in Fire passives...
It's because of the enchanment with the Crit combo in the skill tree and some Paragon nodes and the ring from varshan.
Sorcs don’t have the damage mitigation of other top classes AND don’t have even close to the damage of other classes. They need to remove it completely or totally rework it. I hate playing sorc and it’s my favorite class sadly
I found the solution. I downloaded Path of Exile and played the witch. There's more build variety, better skill tree, more things to do, and better development.
Give the sorc a belt slot and 3rd enchant and let’s ride
Not going to do shit, unless they get a unique sorc that says 3000% damage
More accessories slots would be better, since it can equip more resource aspects
I was thinking about this today. I think the easiest fix would be with weapon. Any weapon that can only be equipped by a class that only gets one or two slots get upgraded. An example would be a 2 handed staff gets 3x the stats instead of 2x and either the wand or focus would get 2x. This would be easy to implement and would make up some of the difference in the weapon slots.
Buff and fix Sorc if you want me to buy the expansion there's like 5 games competing for that money so the balls in your court Blizzard.
Great video as always Slaydra! Regarding balancing sorc I have a few thoughts...
First, let's assume that skills and the influence of stats are balanced between classes. I know that they are not but... let's just imagine it for a moment... If you then compare a sorc to a barbarian the sorc is giving up the equivalent of two 2H weapon slots which includes aspects and tempers. In return the sorc is getting two enchantment slots. If there were balance in the game then each enchantment should be equivalent to a 2H weapon. Since the addition of tempering it seems that the 2H weapon is radically stronger than an enchantment slot. Once an enchantment slot really is on par with a 2H weapon then it would be time to try to compare the classes. In the game's current state I don't think Blizz has a useful starting point.
In other words this is a suggestion for how to start the process of balancing the classes.
I think it is really important that the classes are distinct. My preference is not to add more equipment slots to the sorc.
If anyone from Blizz sees this all I can say is that I am not putting money down on the expansion until this class balance issue is addressed. In my honest opinion the recent changes to teleport and ice armor make no sense. I like playing sorc in D4 but for some reason Blizzard seems intent on making it a frustrating process. Leveling a sorc is great. I think that is fine in nightmare dungeons too. Playing the pit is a completely different story. In fairness I feel it was much worse earlier in season 4 than it is now.
When making changes to the classes I wish Blizz could imagine D4 in a state where PVP was important or at least some sort of priority. With the current balance if Blizz had a PVP tournament with one on one competitions which class would you bet on to win? Would anyone not bet on the barbarian? It should not be this way. I would like to see Blizz have that competition every week and use that kind of information to help inform their choices when it comes time to balance the classes.
I have my fingers crossed for season 5... I enjoyed playing the PTR but the class imbalance issue was clearly not a priority.
The odd seasons have not been to my liking and since my plan for S5 was to play Sorc... I'll see you in the expansion.
Sorc dmg still locked behind layer vulnerable and cc or you hit like wet noodles, melee range requirements, give/take stats, worthless enchants, need third enchant slot as well, paragon boards are a joke, dex requirements on a sorc!? Wtf!
Our aspects don't synergize well and hurt eachother! Just throw sorc in the trash as they clearly have done.
Another good video. You play multiple classes so you have a good understanding of the issues. I do disagree with you about the new lightning build. Not every sorc player will use if it's the only viable build. I tried ball lightning in season 2 and hated it. I enjoy ice builds so thanks for the ice shards video. I've been enjoying the build.
I don't know how they expect us to survive. Any time I don't have a barrier or shield I get one shot by a trash mob.
One of the problems is that there is almost always a condition to anything they give the sorc.
You were right about the caps. If they have to have a cap they should just leave it alone and make all caps the same. Don't cap one class at 40% and another at 300%.
The only reason right now for sorc players to be excited about season 5 is the new generic uniques. If we can put generic uniques in every slot we MIGHT be able to do some damage and survive. Sorc uniques are just crap.
The non defence aspect you got wrong it's changed in PTR, can now have 1 defense skill and loose %damage for any others. The loss only works if you have denfence skill on your skill bar. Flameshield can proc 2 ways now on PTR. As an enchantment and as a new aspect that gives you free Flameshield.
The other defence you can have that doesn't negate this damage is by using teleport as an enchantment which puts it on your Evade. Evade is not counted as being on your skill bar. Can do similar with frost shield as you do with flameshield, don't assign it use as enchantment. If you enchant either of those two they become passive defence skills.
In every fantasy kind of game Iv’e ever played, I play a magic caster of some kind. Wizard, sorcerer, whatever it is.
I love the play style of just using the elements or warping reality or summoning things to help.
That being said, I just got my barb to 100. I just can’t play a class that has its shoelaces tied together anymore
Last Epoch releases a huge patch and new season today. Should try it out, Wizards are actually alive and the game is pretty good.
I played a lot of sorc builds in PTR, the 2 that stood out was incinerate, its burning damage has been fixed. It melted everything, quickly. It was almost as good as a bleed barb.
The best build I played was in the last 2 days of PTR after getting temper recipe drop. Hydras are going to be totally insane. You can temper 4+ heads to hydras. With extra hydra aspect that's 3 hydras. With theory crafting you can get heads to 12 extra heads and 4 standard when healthy. 16 heads per hydra. There's also a temper to increase hydra lucky hit chance up to 20% as it goes on to armor gear.
I only had 4 extra on my 3 hydras and it was a brilliant build. I found out I only need to use a basic to proc crit so my hydras passive procs 30% crit strike.
The hydras annihilated everything with ease and I hadn't properly geared and masterwork gear.
What pit lvl tho?
I feel like a good way for sorc to establish its own identity and get the buffs it needs is to lean in to lucky hit mechanics. For example, a tempered affix that gives 3 - 6% of max hp as a barrier on a lucky hit would go a long way towards helping sorcs survive endgame and maybe even make a "no defensive skill" build possble. Other examples of lucky hit affixes might include things like "Reduce CD of all skills by 0.1 - 0.15 seconds," "Deal 10 - 15% damage of a random element," or "+80 - 100% vulnerable or critical strike damage (additive) for 2 seconds." Pair that with an overall (small) buff to lucky hit chance on sorc skills and you'd end up with a build that looks chaotic but gets more consistent in endgame, and could finally keep up on damage with pretty much every other class without needing to be in that top 1% of players.
For ultimates I feel like Overwhelming currents is in a good place, but Inferno and Deep Freeze are kinda trash but easy to fix. Allowing movement during Deep freeze is pretty much all that skill needs, and Inferno applying a +20% multiplier to damage received while active would make it worth taking in endgame.
For build variety I think a passive that gives a 1/2/3%[x] bonus to damage while reducing mana cost by 2/4/6% for 5 seconds for each unique core skill used (new stacks refresh the timer) would open up a ton of gameplay options (especially if you can get a bonus to this passive from gear/tempering).
One of the things they should do more as a general improvement is remove unstoppable from enemies.
Pretty much every class esp the sorc relies on crowd control to deal damage, by making the enemies go UNSTOPPABLE, theres that gap where youre dealing NO damage because youre not getting your multipliers.
If blizzard is concerned about perma CC just bloody give it a diminishing return effect not full immunity.
All glass no cannon
They expect people to re-roll from Sorc into another class, but having to learn a new class is like trying to learn a new remote controll. Not gonna happen, ppl will just quit instead.
Buffed the dmg of teleport...Are you kidding?? There is no hope
I mean the rogues dash can one shot pit 120 elites because of the victimise proc if only the sorc had a key passive that was worth a damn
I feel like like the itemization rework in S04 should also transfer maybe at the expansion release a rework on all classes. Perhaps more options and variety in the skill tree, just not A or B. Last Epoch did this kind of well imho. At the end i feel like every build the player chooses to play should be possible running at least a certain threshold like for example pit 60/NMD100, and other builds can exceed higher. So that not every class resorts to just the "meta" builds and every other variety just can't. Perhaps then every unique can shine in their own way as the dev's intended even in the future seasons to come.
The thing about the other classes is barb has 4 stat stick weapons they need to add another slot or two to the other classes to let them fit in another stat weapon and aspect. They need to explain more of these changes to us bc Necro got a nerf like what ? Also are they going to change Ai for pets/minions to help more often
I come back to D4 S4 to play Sorcerer, I love to play with incinerate, and I enjoyed it until the end game part where I can't go higher in the pit or even kill Uber Lilith. So I did what any good gamer would do, uninstall D4, and download Elden Ring 😂 enjoying my Sorcerer again 😊
True! The only fix for sorcs in D4 is to quit the game completely, but we have to let them know we sorcs quit because of how fucked up the devs are. My only choices are either play other classes, or just say bb to the game for good.
If you enjoy ARPGs I would suggest testing last epoch. It’s got a new patch today and new season, it’s a pretty fun game and wizard has multiple viable builds.
@Mas-ij3ti I play on PS5. When I play on PC, it feels like I'm at work 😅
@@perkiro11 Ah Last Epoch is sadly not on consoles yet since it just officially came out. However i heavily recommend looking at it on twitch or youtube at least. Its beginner friendly but has a lot more depth and viable builds than Diablo 4. Its like 27 $ on steam, 15$ on some sites. For sure worth checking it out at least if you enjoy ARPGs.
@@perkiro11hook up a ps5 controller to pc. I couch play on pc quite alot
Blizzard has once again proven that it has no idea about games
When ball lightning was really good (bugged af)
The dives at this game apparently have not learned their lesson
Adding a weapon slot is actually very hard for the dev, it’s a lot of work. Adding an enchantment slot on the other hand would be very easy, let alone it existed before. The problem of the sorc is the design direction they didn’t give up. They want sorc to be sorc, whatever that means. It’s at the end not the numbers, but how they want sorc to be played. Maybe sorc squish and powerful, but at the end, they didn’t realize the game is pretty much single player. They simply can’t balance the Barb and Sorc without giving Sorc big numbers, literally like 300% on aspects for most. Druid has spirit boons, that’s 4 passives. Necro has book of death, 3 passives. Rogue has 3 weapons and specialization, only 1 two handed less than Barb. Sorc has enchantment, it’s very powerful, but not as great as other classes. D4 a lot of these stupid things based on D2, and D2 is extremely unholily unbalanced between classes. It’s based on group play and also expecting you to play different characters. Hopefully they will figure out something to actually balance the game.
Well eventually they're going to nerf the firebolt enchantment and say it's because to many builds use it😂. My favorite class is on life support and the prognosis is not looking good. The fixes could be adding a unused weapon slot that is active at all times. They could add 1-2 more enchantment slots so we have more variety. The third thing is another piece of armor like a belt this would be harder to do because then all other classes would likely have to have it added in as well.
Already can't stay alive without perma shield.
Kefka has some good videos on what needs to help buff them.
Make Intelligence do damage 1.5 per 1 int.
Give us 3 enchantment slots.
Make unique staffs wands instead. The stats are terrible on them. Also give us 3 weapon slots.
The 1.5 intelligence thing is pretty outrageous if you ask me. It wouldnt be fair that sorc would get that only and not any of the other classes. That wouldnt fix any issues.
Most enchantment are underwhelming. They all need a rework then a buff. All enchantments should act like you casted them when they proc so we can actually take advantage of them with aspects and other skills. None of that you spawn, or summon, or form nonsense. None of those have synergies because of the wording.
Paragon boards are too specific and need more scaling. Its the same with the aspects, they are all too specific and dont offer a multiplicative damage buff on top of it. Some still have a negative effects when some shouldn't.
Having a 3rd enchantment, another weapon slot or being able to carry both a staff and wand and focus, the intelligence thing are all bandaids to the actual issues. 3rd enchantment slot would be cool but isnt needed if the enchantments were actually good and worked as a cast.
@kevinsims5791 try to say pumping sorcs up with int isn't fair to other classes... yet sorcs have caps on so many things when other classes don't.
I just listed a few things he said could help and I agree these would help. It's needs a lot more help then just this though. As you stated those others need to be buffed as well.
But what was mentioned would give a small boost up to druid level.
@@playhere-gu2lz it doesnt matter that sorcs have those caps. Extra damage multipliers on their main stat isnt fair. That would have to be something that all classes would have to get. It's basically the same thing with having a staff and wand a focus all at the same time. If you do that then you would have to do that with druid and necro as well cause it wouldnt be fair to them. Those again are bandaids and dont actually fix the sorc. The higher scaling with the keypassives is a little better since it would fix the key passive and give more damage at the same time instead of just giving damage without fixing anything.
@kevinsims5791 they don't have to give anything to other classes.. that's the thing. The game isn't fair. It's not balanced at all. Barbs get 4 weapons, rogues get 3. Get the other classes 3 weapons too. Sure.
@kevinsims5791 also, right now the int is about .9 so moving it to 1.5 isn't that much. And int boosts skill damage.. other classes use skills too right?
give us a third enchantment and let us wear the staff on our backs :)
Just let the bugs that buff sorc remain if the devs can't get their shit together. Stop thinking they can fix the game.
How can the sorc be worst then the druid no way
Why do yall obsess so much about extra weapon slots. Stop trying to make every class the same. Just buff them ffs. Get rid of stupid shit like ice shards being spread across 3 aspects and you won't need extra slots. Make a sorc specific defensive aspect so you only need 1. Build resource gen into the talents/paragons to free up another aspect slot. Buff the ridiculously low lucky hit chances. Replace shatter with a buffed tal rashas effect. Make avalanches damage amp a temporary cold dmg buff so ice spikes can benefit. Buff the skill coefficients. Sorcs have 6 schools of damage, their school-specific talents/paragons need to be strong to compensate for the wasted and/or sub par talents/paragons you have to take. Enchants are a joke, 75% arent worth using even in the builds that would want them. Devouring blaze is absolutely mandatory, bake burning damage into the tree so every sorc build till the end of time doesn't have to take firebolt enchant. Give them something cool like a horadric cube that only works with uniques.
A weapon slot won't do shit. My half ass barbs gushing wounds is worth ~8500% multiplicative damage vs shatters 30%.
Let's be real, the druids are the most hated characters in this game. BUFF the DRUIDS!
I’m sick of sorc nerfs barb buffs. First Descendant time.
I have crackling energy build it’ll be garbage now -.-
My current bonus with my build is 261 % for ceaseless conduit and now it caps at 60 yikes
Yal upset about Sorc. But yal completely forgot about blood builds 😂
Fixing bugs aren’t nerfs
wow whats new?😅
Yeah, sorcerer is a weak class. I play all classes and I've taken all to first capstone at lvl 30. My sorcerer is lvl 35 with 600 item level weapon and she still can't clear trash quickly. Being on HC, I won't bother trying her out with the bosses in the capstone.
While you guys are complaining, i am still stuck with 100k+ damage by playing my way. I hate to follow guides and thus dont really know how to achieve millions of damage. I can do Pit 50 and NM90.
Literally every class except barb is garbage when Compared and needs to be minmaxed to the fullest to compete in any way. Just Balance Shit out so every class is Strong that would make the Game so much better. I hate being forced to play a handful of builds which none of them is fun and mostly need Uber uniques to work properly
Fuck blizzard! I'm done. College football comes next week. I'll be 100% on that and MLB the Show 24. And if Sorc doesn't improve by the expansion..I'll be skipping that too. I have not preordered and will not be until I see some balancing
Give them that feedback since they listen to you and not us on Twitter. I'll be deleting the game from my PS5 and using that memory for NCAA Football 25
i dont think your opinion matters much or anyone care much your like a nobody my dude on the internet
they hating on Class that cast spell damage look at necro blizzard cater to barbs only, shit game now
Time to Nerf sorc, too many buffs. The best way to play a good sorc is to play Last Epoch, the reworks are amazing. Or PoE if people have some time.
solution to diablo 4 issues = deinstall again but never coming back again , too much disappointment by blizzard
I will skip season 5 not for the Sorc nerf, but by the amount of bugs present, obviously these devs are not playing the game at all since the beta says it all. Microsoft or whoever owns it at this point should sell this game to a dev who actually cares. Stop calling it Blizzard, this is not by gamers for gamers anymore, and the actual devs that designed Diablo and Diablo II, did not work is any way shape or form in the development of Diablo III or Diablo IV
Tired of playing broken games where the rewards I want to chase are in the crown store.
ESO player are you
@@barrymacdonald3439 Lol. Indeed.
I'll quit and go back to d2 until they fix it
never played a sorc but every leader board i see, sorcs at the top but everyone says they suck?
Because every sorc at the top abused some kind of bug.
i must admit i gave this vid a dislike, even thou we sorcs need all the help to make devs see the issues. I hope you look at this as constructive feedback and not in a bad way and i will explain why: 1, you spend too much time talking assumptions that make no sense (e.g you talked a few mins about crackling energy assumption). 2. you tend to put more accent on your own solutions of the issue rather than pointing out the main issues.
complaining about nerfing sorc when the season isn't even out yet lol.
PTR had like 60% of the items we got.
Its last epoch time 🦦🍺 skip D4 S5 🛌 and go with LE 1.1
I will be done with last epoch in about a week unfortunately the monaliths are so bad and coop is very buggy I hope with more time there is more to do as I want all Arpg to be great as I will only benefit from it