During the infield fly rule, is there still a tag up situation, or can say a runner take off for 3rd the moment the call is made if like it's a deeper ball for the 1st baseman?
@@EMTDawg even if the runner already took off, the infield fly call means he doesn't have to go back. There's no longer a force at third, but there isn't a force back at second for the tag-up either.
Congratulations! I've THOUGHT I knew the infield fly rule pretty well but......................after 72 years of life I FINALLY understand it! Thank You! (You've taught an old dog something new)
Dan, 25+ year umpire here: a few comments: First, thanks for explaining this rule properly. I think that will go a long way to increasing fan understanding. To be clear, if a fair batted ball hits a runner before a fielder has had the opportunity to make a play on it, that runner is out. Even if they are standing on their base. EXCEPT if they are standing on their base and are hit by an infield fly. Tricky. Excellent explanation about why Infield Fly does NOT apply when there's only a runner on 1st. From an umpire's perspective: 1) we are taught to call this (or not) at the apex of the hit.. at the top. Said differently, when the ball is at its peak, we look to see whether an infielder is in a position to make this catch with ordinary effort. 2) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER is that, even though the offense automatically has a batter out, THIS RULE ACTUALLY PROTECTS THE OFFENSE! When the offense complains about an infield fly being called, it's usually because they don't understand why the rule exists. (unless, of course, it was an uncatchable ball with ordinary effort.) Great work, Dan. It's refreshing to hear a player get this rule absolutely right and spread correct information.
By what you’re saying if I’m on defense, see the infield fly ball going to hit the base runner on base, I’d attempt to make the catch, miss, let it hit him and get a double play. This rarely would happen but you just said “tricky”. It’s the rule right, just got act it out good 😂
I think the rule should not apply to minors Little League. The reason is that the purpose of the rule to prevent intentional dropping of the ball. But in minors they are not strategic enough to intentionally drop it. At least not in our minor league. These are 8 and 9 yr olds. So just let it play out. It just causes more confusion than is worth it.
The umpire’s discretion is what people and younger players have an issue with in this rule. It’s not consistent. And, baseball, or softball, should be as consistent as possible for players of a young age. This rule when actually called does nothing but confuse younger players. And, btw, in my 10 years coaching . I have never seen an umpire explain the rule to children. Most good umps never enforce this rule on kids understanding the fallacy of this rule at younger ages.
I coached Little League for 20 years and I've seen this rule turn into a three ring circus at that level. Many parents, coaches and even umpires at that level don't understand this rule. It would be nice if everybody (including parents) were forced to watch videos such as this before being allowed to be involved in Little League.
Coach absolutely mentioned this, but it's important to remember that bunts are not protected. I'm not sure I agree with him that bunts are neglected because of the speed with which they occur. Rather, when bunts are attempted, the batter loses certain protections -- he assumes certain risks. For example, most people are very aware that a foul bunt attempt with 2 strikes is a strikeout -- the bunt attempt sacrifices the protection of "foul ball can't be strike 3." Same with IFF. Bunt attempts sacrifice IFF protection. So, a batter could actually hit a fairly high pop up off a bunt attempt and IFF will not apply. An aware infield could manufacture a double (or triple) play out of such an instance.
Actually the bunt is not protected by the infield fly because of the history of baseball. The bunt has always been considered a “dirty play”, so if the B/R attempts to bunt then they are on their own.
If an infield fly is called, and the ball is caught, do runners still have to tag up, or can a runner start advancing as soon as the call is made without worrying about whether the ball is caught or dropped?
@@matthewkellar9382 Thank you for answering that question. I have always wondered about that because the rule is badly worded in one spot: runners may advance "if desired" or "at their discretion." This certainly implies that they don't have to tag up, but that never made any sense to me and I always played it that you did have to tag up. I have played the game, watched the game, coached the game, acted as a volunteer ump, and even been an official scorer at the high school level on a couple of occasions over the course of 65 years and I never had that question fully clarified until today. Again, merci beaucoup!
@@MrEsMysteriesMagicks When an infield fly is called, the only thing that changes in the rules is that the batter is out and the force is removed. Thus the runners are no longer forced to advance and the chance for the "cheap" double play is removed. Everything else remains the same so all runners must retouch their time of pitch base if the ball is caught inflight just like on any other fly ball that is caught. Also, runners do not have to wait until the ball is actually caught to retouch and attempt to advance. As long as the runners retouch their time of pitch base when the fly ball is initially touched by a defensive player, they may attempt to advance at that point.
Yeah I guess most people would think that's a given. What's less obvious is when the infield fly rule is called is that runner do not need to tag up if the ball isn't caught although the batter is still out
My daughter intentionally dropped a ball in CF against last year’s state runner up and got an easy double play. This is what the rule is intended to prevent because it’s a heck of a lot easier to pull off on the infield. Needless to say, their coach was pissed. 😂
I'd have a hard time believing that an 8-6-3 double play could be made before the batter made it to 1B with full effort. My guess is that the batter conceded the out and didn't, in fact, run hard to 1B. This, again, is why it's only an IFF rule and not an OFF rule. The rules protect the runners from defensive shenanigans that artificially manufacture a double play. The rules are NEVER meant to protect the batter from less than 100% effort. The other coach should indeed have been pissed ... at his player for not running hard out of the box.
@@backporchradio I considered that after my reply. It's still an awful lot of throwing to gun down what should have been a hard charge from at least 1/4 the way from 1B to 2B. I suspect that poor baserunning was at least partially to blame. But, I wasn't there (obviously).
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER is that, even though the offense automatically has a batter called out, THIS RULE ACTUALLY IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE BATTING TEAM! Think about this before complaining to an umpire that they called your batter out on an infield fly that was dropped. That umpire PROTECTED YOUR RUNNERS.
It was poorly designed if it was intended to protect the batting team. A better execution of it would be to simply have the Infield Fly call remove the need for runners to tag up. No automatic outs and you still prevent the fielders from getting a cheap double or triple play.
@@MikeDCWeld Your solution is poorly designed. If there's no automatic out, and the ball is dropped, where are you putting the batter if the runners don't have to move? And if they aren't in jeopardy of being put out on an infield fly, what's to prevent the offense from trying to hit popups and sacrificing the batter because the runners on 1st and 2nd, or 1st, 2nd, and 3rd can just run freely while the ball is in the air? So basically, under your rules, the offense would benefit from a free sacrifice fly ON THE INFIELD for a lousy hit. The truth is that the infield fly rule allows the offense to get away with only one out on a lousy short pop fly. That's a fair and appropriate result for that hit without completely ruining the offensive inning.
@@FactsMatter where did I say the runners wouldn't have to move? The only baserunning rule that would be affected is the tag-up rule. My version would avoid inherently punishing the batter for a poor hit without putting the runners in a pickle. This is the most fair way for both sides. The defense still has to make the catch or risk the batter making it on base, but the runners are still protected from potential defensive shenanigans. Also, what is stopping the offense from using the current Infield Fly Rule for a free sacrifice fly? Altering the rule as I've suggested would force the defense to play the fly ball honestly while allowing them the option of letting it drop to try for the double or triple play. If they do so, the offense may not even eat one out on the play.
@@FactsMatter Give them all one base from where they started, including the batter. The rule is meant to protect the runners from a cheap double or triple play, so there's no reason it needs to come into effect until the defense actually attempts a double play. If it's a straight up error, and they're not quick enough to recover and throw anyone out, why not give the batter first base? Calling him out just penalises the offense for the defense's mistake.
@@MikeDCWeld bottom of the ninth, tie score , runner on third, no outs. High fly to the short stop, runner on third scores before the ball is caught,,,,, game over!! No need to tag up!
Great explanation. I learned a few things. One thing that might have improved the video a bit for people who really don't know the game of baseball/softball that well would have been to preface the info about the infield fly rule with a quick overview of base running rules when the ball is hit in the air, i.e. tagging up or forced running depending on whether the ball is caught or in play.
I can't imagine this rule NOT existing in early baseball. Seems like the need for it would be very apparent within a few games. Anything that incentivizes a player to not catch a ball, or not throw a ball, or not hit a ball in baseball is a stupid rule.
As a Grandpa, this video is great. I've explained the rule to my grandson twice and I'm not sure if he gets it. This video will help him understand. Thanks for doing this.
I've watched many Atlanta Braves games and I never made the connection between the IFR being called and the number of outs/locations of baserunners. I just assumed it had to do with the way that the batter hit the ball and nothing else.
Great presentation! Am going to watch this again soon to remember more facts as I've always loved baseball and never knew all the details of this rule!
As a long time umpire (50+ years), the Infield Fly (IFF) rule ranks up there with interference, obstruction, and balks when it comes to confusing players, coaches, and (even) umpires. There's nothing magical about the Infield Fly rule (IFF) if you break it down to it's fundamental parts. When I used to teach rule clinics, I explained it this way. 1. An IFF situation exists when there is a potential force play at third base. (That can only happen when there are runners on first and second or first, second, and third.) 2. There must be a possibility for a double play. (That can only happen with less than two outs.) 3. It must be a fair fly ball that an infielder should be able to catch with ordinary effort. (So it can't be a bunt or line drive.) 4. The only part of the rules that change under the IFF is that the batter is out thus removing the force situation; therefore, the runners are no longer forced to advance. If the ball is caught inflight, runners must retouch their time of pitch base as they must on any caught fly ball. If the ball is not caught inflight, they are not required to retouch their time of pitch base before they can attempt to advance. That's just like any other fly ball. I've had coaches argue that runners must retouch their time of pitch base when an IFF is not caught - not so. 5. If the umpire declares an IFF and the batted ball touches a baserunner while he is in contact with the bag, it's not interference and only the batter is out; however, the ball becomes dead and no runners can advance. If the runner is off the base and touched by the IFF, the ball becomes dead, the runner is out for interference and the batter is out on the declared IFF. No other runners can advance. As for calling an IFF, umpires are taught to wait until the ball approaches its apex. That allows us the opportunity to track the ball and judge whether or not it can be caught with ordinary effort by an infielder. We look to see if the fielder has basically "settled" under the ball or if he/she is still trying to get into position. It doesn't matter who actually catches the ball. Once we make the decision, we point up in the air while calling either "Infield fly!" or "Infield fly - the batter's out!" On flyballs hit down the foul lines and judged to be a potential IFF, umpires call "Infield fly if fair!" (Remember #3 - it must be a fair fly ball.) I had a situation where that was the case and the ball fell untouched between the pitcher, catcher, and first baseman about a foot into foul territory. The spin on the ball caused it to roll into fair territory where it was first touched by the catcher. By definition, that was a fair ball and the Infield Fly Rule was enforced. The offensive coach wasn't pleased with that call.
That's a great example of one of the main problems with the IFF rule: it's supposed to protect the offense. If the defense drops the ball deliberately to get a cheap two or three outs instead of one, the IFF rule limits it to one, and the other runners are safe. **But** if it's an actual error, or if they try for a double play and mess it up, the IFF rule gives them a free out, that they wouldn't have otherwise got. That's the exact opposite of what the rule is meant to do. The ump should be able to reverse the IFF call after the play if the call advantaged the defense, and make a judgement call, just say everyone is safe where they are, or all runners get one base, from where they started, or whatever the case may be. Penalising the offense for an error by the defense seems pretty wrong. Even better, they should be able to just call it after the play, like they can with obstruction, or with a deliberately dropped ball with a runner on first.
@@Jivvi word. like in soccer with the "advantage" rule where a foul is tentatively called but play is not stopped (no whistle), and if the offense retains possession and the ref determines that the fouling team would get an advantage from play being stopped and a free kick being awarded, they just let them play on.
@@mattt.4395 Lots of sports have a similar rule. Rugby, rugby league, hockey, lacrosse, broomball, handball, water polo, ice hockey (but I think that works a bit differently). Even tennis has a sort of advantage rule, where if a line judge makes a bad call, but someone was about to win the point, you can just award the point instead replaying it. Baseball has it too, with obstruction calls. Like if a runner gets obstructed going from second to third, you don't just call the play dead and award them third base; you let the play continue. If they make it to third, you call them safe; if they don't, you award them third base; and if there's an error or something, and they can make it home, you let them score. There's no legitimate reason infield flys couldn't be ruled the same way: let the play continue, and if it advantages the offense, you let it stand; but if it advantages the defense, you award bases as appropriate.
Ump here. Came to watch for reinforcement. While I didn't learn anything new, I thought you made an excellent video. You explained every aspect of the rule perfectly. And... you did the cherry on top of the sundae, which is to explain why the rule doesn't work with a runner only on first, because that's a totally fair thing for people to wonder. Completely explained the rule, umpire's implementation, and the rationale for the rule. Nice job. I've also heard it said that umps can call it after the fact. Like, if the situation arises, the ump fails to call it, then the throw to 3rd and 2nd gets us a double, the umpire can realize after the fact, call infield fly, and nullify the double play. I'm not positive on that, however.
Second video I’m watching and I’m now confirmed: you are a great baseball teacher! I appreciate your energy and clarity. This is really easy to understand. Thank you so much!
The complexity of rules in baseball is a feature, not a bug, of the game, the result of so many years of gradual evolution, both experience with real games and getting to know the heart and the "logic" of the game itself. This rule is probably the best example of that: at first, it seems like a "patch up" rule for a flawed structure, but once you see it it actually shows something about the essence of the game. Great explication by Coach Dan!
It is not a pop up to the infield. It is a fly ball, not counting line drives, that CAN BE FIELDED by an infielder with normal effort. So it can be called on a short fly to the outfield where an umpire believes an infielder could catch it with normal effort. See Cardinals v Braves wildcard game and the play with Pete Kozma 90 feet into left field.
@@DanBlewett absolutely not a bad call according to the wording of the rule. Kozma was camped out under the ball using normal effort and he was an infielder. Granted, if the call had not been infield fly that would have been correct too if that was the judgment of the umpire. An example of when two different calls in baseball could be correct and a example of the perfect imperfection of baseball that make it such a beautiful sport. You welcome for the caps. Some people misuse them to mimic yelling, instead of their long time use as EMPHASIS as I just did again. I use them properly and it is great to have that recognized. Pop ups are actually defined as a ball hit high into the air but not deep, so 90 feet would be considered a pop up, but that is just another type of fly ball. So again, the call was correct and would have been correct also if the judgment of the umpire calling it was different.
Fun fact, the ball can even be played on by an outfielder and it still be an infield fly if an infielder is camped under it and in position to make a play on it. This happened in an MLB playoff game several years ago where it was popped up sky high in shallow left field and F6 camped underneath it and F7 booted it. Still IFF rule.
Braves fan here... yes, and it led to some pretty funny memes later, but it pissed off the entire city when it happened. I can easily say that I had never seen a ball hit that deep be called on the infield fly rule.
@@MrBlakeD82 It was really windy that day, which a lot of people rightly say should have factored into whether it can be caught by an Infielder with reasonable effort. The problem with that play is the SS calls it really quickly and camps under it, and then drifts forever out into the OF after calling it like 5 feet off the IF. Then he drops it because I think a fan yelled they had it, not Holliday behind him. I like to think that's karma on the fan being unsportsmanlike.
You seem like a very good coach Dan. I played little league back in the 80's and i literally can't remember them teaching me anything outside of 'goto right field and don't come back until i tell you to'. You actually explain things and don't seem like you'd be condescending to those who don't immediately understand. 😎🏍💨👍
Yes, if the ball is caught, the same as any other caught ball. From a runner's perspective, all the infield fly call does is prevent a force-out. It doesn't remove the requirement to tag-up, nor prevent them from being tagged out. Way back when I was umpiring there were several times the fielding team was paying attention and got a runner who had come slightly off the base but was strolling back, or took off to the next base because they thought they didn't have to tag up. On the other hand, I've also seen fielding teams get slack and let the ball drop to the ground, and the lead runner recognized it and took the chance it was going to happen and took off and made it successfully.
I still think that the role should be changed so that if the ball is not caught on an infield fly, everyone is safe. Similar to an overthrow going into the dugout; everyone advances. Infield fly >> fly rule is activated >> batter is "provisionally out" >> ball is caught >> runner is out, no one needs to advance Infield fly >> fly rule is activated >> batter is "provisionally out" >> ball is dropped >> batter is safe at first >> runners on first and second and third automatically advance Mostly I've always really hated the idea that the infielders can miss the catch but the batter is still out (even though I totally understand why this rule exists) I think there should essentially be a penalty of some kind to the defense for dropping that ball just like there would be if the bases were empty. This is pretty much the only situation where the batter can get penalized on a fly ball that isn't caught.
I understand your point, and it's an interesting thought. And yes, rarely the hitter could be penalized, as you say, if the ball is dropped. But even if it was dropped, and the infield fly didnt exist, the base runners would never get to advance - at least one would get forced out in 99/100 times. So really, popping a ball up in the infield means the hitter has completely failed and, even if HE would reach base, no one else would advance. So thats why I don't think anyone deserves to move up a base. A pop up is a terrible outcome for the hitter, drop or not - they deserve to be out. Fits with the ethos of the game.
@@DanBlewett The Braves wildcard game is a great counterexample. It was called so far away from the infield that the baserunners easily advanced when it was missed, though the batter was still out. That was a huge penalty for the offense, for which the rule is supposed to protect. I like Justin's proposed change. The onus is on the fielders to catch it, not for the batter to hit the ball better.
@@QuovatisPS that was a poor judgement call by the umpire though and not because of a bad rule. The braves one was well into the outfield and could not be fielded with ordinary effort. Bad call by umpire. I believe the umpire was not in a regular position (at least at that time) because it was playoffs nd so it seemed more like an infield fly because the umpire was positioned deeper in the outfield where he wasnt used to being.
@@DanBlewett im with you. Either youre rewarding the batter for hitting an infield pop up or the fielders for missing one. Take your pick but I think the rule is fair, and if they do miss it you can still advance and perhaps farther than just one base.
Coach nice explanation. But I still have a question someone here can attempt to answer. It is always stated a runner may advance at their own risk so....WHEN can a runner advance? My argument would be once the batter is called out - which of course is immediately upon recognition it is an infield pop up. The umpires will make the call batter out SO.....what if the batter should sky a pop up, all the runners SHOULD take off immediately and the defense would not be able to have a chance to make a play on any runner since the ball is still in the air. Always wanted to try this and listen to any umpire tell me it is not within the rule. Since it matters not if the ball is caught or not, any tagging up is negated. Thoughts?
If you did that--say, you were a runner on 2nd base--the fielder would catch the ball and step on 2nd base (or throw to the 2nd baseman, and he'd step on 2nd base) and you'd be called out for leaving the base before the ball was caught. The infield fly rule does not negate the rule for tagging up.
@@highnrising I am not saying you are wrong because that is how everyone plays it, BUT nowhere in the rule does it state tagging up NOR does the defense have to catch the ball. I would challenge that declaration of batter is out negates tagging up.
@@bobbelf9762 And you would be incorrect. The rule effects the batter, not the runners (except removing the possibility of a force out). The runners still have to follow the same rules for running bases, one of which is that they have to tag up after a caught ball.
@@keith6706 Keith appreciate your response. My own brother sent me the MLB rule and it is stated in the last 2 lines about runners. Been coaching a long time and have never read those 2 lines in the rule.
One thing you didn't mention is that if an infielder goes out into the outfield and can catch the ball with ordinary effort but is called off by an outfielder who ends up catching the ball it can still be called an infield fly.
The rule is there to prevent the defense from scoring an easy double play. I know this won't happen but I think the rule should be if the fielder doesn't catch it, then batter and all runners advance one base, and the batter is credited with a hit. There's no confusion that way. Pop-ups are supposed to be easy hence the rule, so catch it.
@@FUGP72 I can make the same argument in reverse-why reward the defense for an easily caught ball? The point I am making is catch the damn ball, don't try to trick the offense; if you do there's a penalty.
@@steveburke1519 You aren't. This is the EXPECTED outcome. Giving a free base gives the offense no worse than the expected outcome but the potential for a very good outcome. The rule as it is now, offers BOTH teams no worse than the expected outcome. NEITHER side gets any advantage or potential advantage. It is a trade off in that the offense is trading a free base in the EXTERMELY unlikely (literally less than once every season in MLB...for the WHOLE LEAGUE) that an easy pop up is dropped, while the defense is trading an easy double play for just one out the other 99.99% of the time. You want the the defense to make all the sacrifices. Not be able to get ANY better than the outcome of a live ball, but also not get any advantage from them calling an infield fly. You ARE at least smart enough to realize that even if the infielder drops the ball, it doesn't mean they WOULD have dropped the ball if the infield fly rule wasn't called, right? Someone yelling as you as you are focused on the ball.
@@steveburke1519 You want to allow the defense to get cheap outs 9,999 times out of 10,000 just so in the literally AT MOST 1 in 10,000 chance that they drop a pop up that is routine enough to be called an infield fly, the offense isn't cheated? Just plain stupid. It is so simply that LITERALLY a 5 year old understands it. the infield fly rule DOESN'T HELP THE DEFENSE! It helps the offense. And you using scenarios that would happen literally less than once a season in the majors means nothing. I guarantee you that out of the thousands of times the rule has been invoked, not ONCE as the batting team felt cheated if the ball was dropped. The only time that might happen is if the team felt it WASN'T a routine pop up and that he rule shouldn't have been called. But on regular pop ups that are obvious calls for the umpire, nobody gets mad if the ball is dropped and the batter is out anyway. Your rule makes the offense give up nothing? They can do no worse than the "expected" outcome of the play, which is a popout. Whereas the defense can do no BETTER than the expected value, but can do much worse. All on a play where the pitcher CLEARLY got the better of the batter. Do you really not see why that is stupid? You either call the infield fly as it is, or you think they should get rid of it. Your proposal is the worst of both. It would be like a defendant in a criminal case having to choose between pleading guilty and accepting the plea bargain, or going to trial..but even if he is found not guilt, the BEST scenario is they get the sentence of the plea bargain...but could get worse.
@@FUGP72 Why arguing this with me? The rule is what it is and it's not going to change; I'm just observing that the defense should catch these supposedly easy pop-ups. There have been many times, especially in lower levels of play, where the defense didn't catch it and the offense still got penalized by the automatic out. The infield fly rule is one of the most misunderstood rules in baseball, especially to casual fans. I'm done arguing this, because it's pointless. I feel the rule should favor the offense, you don't. That is all.
@@FUGP72 I want to punish the fielder for dropping a weak pop up. I batter getting to first after striking out isn't rewarding the batter for striking out.
I am not a big baseball fan, but it would help to get you more fans if you looked for the right kind of fan....By that I mean, look ONLY for people who are driven by numbers....Baseball is more numerically driven than all other sports combined....And please lessen the time in between pitches, please!!!!!
Great video as usual. An infield flyball rule I witnessed which resulted in a triple play was this: There was a high popup in foul territory near 3rd base where the umpire called the infield fly rule and also added "IF FAIR". The 3rd baseman misplayed the popup, allowing the ball to land behind him in foul territory, but the ball kicked into the infield between 3rd and home plate. The defensive team, being sharper than the team at bat, saw the pitcher field the ball and throw it to the SS covering 3rd base for a tag out on the advancing runner from 2nd base, then the SS threw the ball to the 2nd baseman covering 2nd base who applied a tag to the advancing runner from 1st base. Triple play complete.
@@DanBlewett -- The situation looked worse, because it occurred during a men's league game where the runners ignored the GET BACK commands of the 1st and 3rd base coaches, both of whom had played as high as AA and high A affiliate ball. Even after the inning was over, the two amateur runners were telling the former pros and umpires they didn't know the rules! Oh well.
@@alfalfa5705 All other rules are the same. IFF does not negate normal baserunning rules. So, any time a ball is caught, then players must tag to run; any time a ball is not caught, there is no need to tag up. In this case, it appears that the ball was not caught. It's important to remember that IFF merely declares the batter out immediately and ALL other rules of baseball are still in play and it's a live ball.
@@67L48 I was umpiring a game (just two umpires, me behind the plate and one in the field), runners on first and second, batter hits a fly close to the line so I called infield fly if fair. Third base loses the ball in the sun and drops it...but did so when the ball was foul. The ball scoots away, runners on first and second try to advance, I shoo them back. The coach comes out, ticked off, and starts yelling that runners can advance on an infield fly. I agreed, but the ball ended up being just a foul ball, and runners can't advance on a foul ball. Runners go back, batter goes back to the plate with a 2nd strike. He ends up grounding into a double play to end the at-bat. Coach is fuming because he thought I'd screwed them over. A few innings later, now they've got bases loaded and there's another close one near the line with one out. This time the third basemen catches it, again in foul territory. And then steps on third base as the runner, who'd taken a small lead, strolls back to the base. I call the runner out so, with the infield fly call on the batter, double play that ends the inning.. The coach explodes out of the dugout, screaming at me. "It was a foul ball!" I agreed with him again, but pointed out it was caught, which means runners have to tag up or else risk being put out like any fly ball, including ones in foul territory. He starts ranting that wasn't true if it was an infield fly because the batter was automatically out. It was frankly hilarious. There's nothing quite as funny as a coach trying to rules lawyer you without knowing the actual rule.
I appreciate this video even though it is 2 years old. I already know about the rule. But years ago when I was playing little league the in fly rule actually got called in one of our game. The thing about that was we as kids did not understand anything that was going on when it got called in our coaches never ever taught us about it. So hopefully if that ever happens to the younger generation that they can refer to a video such as this to understand
Great explanation. I never knew there's this much detail in the infield fly rule. I wonder if he has a video going into this level of detail on what exactly a balk..... man read my mind, I know what I'm watching next!
If the runner on first is a speedy guy, and the batter is a fat slow dude, might be worth letting it drop and make it a slower runner on first. Especially if the speedy guy is a SB threat.
MLB made the rule more confusing than necessary. I propose that the rule should say “with a force out at third……” We dont need all the rest about where the runners are and such…
The infield fly rule needs to be abolished. Infielders can drift back onto the outfield grass, and the rule is still called, which is bologna. Infielders drop the ball and the batter is still out; another joke.
You never said whether the runner can go the call of IFF or if he must remain on base until it is called, or does he have to tag up.? Can he run when the ball is hit? Must be wait?
The thing that’s annoying to me is even though there are specific applicable condition you’re waiting on the Ump to say whether it’s an infield fire or not that’s one of annoying parts
For those in attendance, watching on TV or who cannot otherwise hear the umpire call out the ruling, they will also point their index finger straight up to signal it.
Great explanation. This is one of the aspects of baseball that makes it such a great game (may they stop changing the rules!). Many years ago, I was at a Little League game of my brother’s, and, there was a pop-up on the infield, with runners on 1st and 2nd. The ump, who was a teenager, didn’t call infield fly, the ball dropped, and, the runner going to 3rd was easily forced out. Ok. But, the opposing team’s coach comes out and argues with the child ump that it was an infield fly, and the batter is out. The kid calls him out, and leaves the force out at 3rd stand as well. I almost got ejected from the game as a fan for protesting the injustice. Needless to say, this is something for umpires to master from the outset of their careers.
If an umpire doesn’t call it, then there’s no infield fly. You can complain to him that it should have been called, but it can’t be enacted after the play is over. In little league games, it may be debatable whether the ball con be easily caught by a player who can’t judge a pop up.
Interesting, I didn't know that the rule wasn't in effect if there was only a runner on 1st. Seemed strange given they are still in a forced situation , great explanation as to why it isn't.
The easiest way to remember this is: a force out at 3B must be in effect with fewer than 2 outs. That's the best way I used to educate my parents about when an IFF is in play. I found that more than one sentence was too complex for most people to remember on what isn't that common a play.
A high pop up with only a runner on 1st is basically fielders choice in who they want out. Since the ball is up in the air, the batter has ample time to get to 1st before a double play. So the fielder can catch the ball and get the batter out, or if the person on 1st has decent speed and the batter does not, they may opt to take the risk in letting it drop and getting the force out at 2nd.
@@gscurd75 I read recently another reason there must be a force at 3rd and, unsurprising for me, cannot remember it. I've spent most of the afternoon trying to find it or remember where I saw it. It, as I remember, made just as much sense as the above mentioned. If someone else knows, please post it. Otherwise, I'll keep looking. Any ideas, Coach Blewett?
@@John-gj1jr It's based on the rule there has to be runners on first and second or bases loaded before the IFR. In either case, there's a potential force at third, so if there isn't a force at third, there's no way for an IFR call.
A few years ago I saw Xandar Bogarts get an easy double play by dropping a popup on purpose with a runner on first- so it can be done. Up until then, I didn't know that the IFR only applied to runners on first and second or bases loaded (even though I played BB from second grade through HS).
it usually wont work with a runner only on first unless the batter-runner isn't running or its a very low pop-up that maybe only is in the air for 1 second. Pop-ups, especially at higher levels, are in the air for 3+ seconds, so even if the batter-runner is jogging, there won't be enough time to let it drop and throw to 2nd and 1st
It seems like this is something a computer could (and should) do especially well, and totally objectively. Barring wind, a computer can tell the instant a baseball leaves the bat where it's going to drop by its speed and trajectory. A computer should be calling infield flies. (But then, it should also be calling balls and strikes.)
this rule is horse wash cause when i played in my youth we didnt have such horse wash rules.....they making baseball for lazy pansy people that want to have easy win and not put any work into it cause you can have a in fild fly and the play catch it and then ball drop and have a single or double run with a play on the bag at fise base all cause of the player screw the pooch in trying to vatch the ball.....with this horse wash rool then the ump call it and immidy the play is out and every one else could take the ponts and bags on the same play as above......do this rule is for the weak players of this era
There a little more to that line - the rule actually reads "...batter is out - IF FAIR ". I have seen this in action. Batter popped up, umps signal in-field fly but it hits in fair territory but bounces foul between 3rd and home plate without being touched - - - - It's just a foul ball. It doesn't have to BE foul, just end up in foul territory without being touched in fair territory. (don't forget about the ball bouncing foul inside the diamond) Everyone on the field (including the umps) got it wrong but our pitcher understood the true definition and convinced the umps. I give them credit for listening. This is the source of the confusion - when stating this rule people should complete the part of the sentence everyone leaves out - IF FAIR - and understand what a fair/foul ball is.
Yesterday, in my son's Little League Seniors game, we had 1st & 2nd with 1 out. Hitter hit a liner over the 2nd baseman's head that was called an Infield Fly (it wasn't a pop-up) that he didn't catch. Both runners advanced to 2nd & 3rd. The umpire made both the runners return to their base, and still called the batter out. To me, this isn't right. The runners are allowed to advance at their own risk, and since the infielder did NOT catch the ball, both runners are safe at 2nd & 3rd. Right?
This is what makes baseball less fun. Too many complicated rules creating dependency on umpires' judgement. If you want to avoid double and triple plays, just be better at batting. ...Or just take out the force play rule entirely, leaving it up to the runner to decide if they want to leave the base for the runner behind, which would also create more plays trying to tag runners out, adding more action and more exciment for people watching the game as well. If a single rule takes 11 minutes to explain, that's way too complicated. Keeping things simple is usually the better solution. Less frustration and confusion = more fun.
no, you don't know what you're talking about. this rule is important and it's not that complicated for those who play the game. Baseball would be dramatically worse without it. "just be better at batting" is such an ignorant statement, shows you clearly don't know anything about the sport.
Hey Dan we were playing in our playoffs up here in Ontario this weekend and we had bases loaded......no out and pop up between catcher and pitcher......umpire did not say a word just pointed up.......coaches knew rule but were waiting for ump to say something.....of course confusion reigned and they ended up getting a triple play......is it enough for the umpire to point up or is it in the rules they must announce it loud and clear "Infield fly batter out"....or maybe it's just assumed everyone knows the rule
Thx for explanation. Just watched video of MLB guy not running to first on pop up while runner on first. I didn’t get why Vlad Jr was exhibiting high IQ when it let ball drop and get double play. In that moment I realized I didn’t understand infield fly rule.
yeah. it can be risky dropping pop-ups though - they come down with a lot of spin. its safest if they'll fall in the infield grass - they dont shoot away like they sometimes will on hard dirt
There is a big decision where 2012 NL wild card with the Braves and Cardinals where the shortstop ran halfway in the outfield and dropped the ball and its dropped between him and the outfielder. The Umpire didn't call it until after it dropped, I'm interested to read your opinion.
One thing to add as to why the liner/hump-back liner are not included... if a defender decided to not catch it, where does it go? A fly ball will probably drop at his feet to be picked up quickly.. but a liner... that could roll to the wall..So from a defender standpoint, if you don't catch it.. not only do you stand a good chance of NOT making a DP.. you may see multiple runners score. A liner has quite a bit of horizontal movement.. where the flyball is mostly vertical.. So that's why those get excluded... and liners often are in the glove or through the IF before the umpires and runners even have a chance to react enough to think about the play. Let alone for an umpire to make a call... Something tells me that Ty Cobb may have been a big reason this rule was put into play.. him letting a ball drop to gain a DP seems like his type of SOP. (I could be wrong.. both predate me...)
Good explanation! I had to watch this video again because i didn't remember the rule of there being a runner on 1st. Now i got it clear. I'm 78 and have always loved Baseball. Thanks 👍
Now, the issue we see today is that infield fly rule has been applied to balls in the middle of the outfield because the infielder attemped to catch it. MANY unpires believe that if the infielder attempts to catch the ball, they call infield fly giving a free out. No camping necessary. We have had this called 3x this season and the outfielders never attempt to catch the ball but the ss runs 50 feet into the outfield and it drops but they call it. We have seen high deep "infield" , which is really 30 yards into the outfield, blooper hits that land 5 ft into the outfield..... we have also had 4x when the infield fly should have been called but wasnt, the pitcher intentionally dropped the high pop up, with bases loaded no outs, they turned a triple play and we lost the game by 1 run. Every instance they use the part that says unpires discretion to justify their incompetence. Its not hard, if the ball is hit into the outfield, it cannot be infield fly. When the outfielder is standing beside the infielder 5 ft from his normal position, this is not infield fly. Also. Dropping the ball on purpose is a corrupt mindset to teach children. Cheating is not sportsmanship. Its the same as teams tanking to get the nunber one draft.... it shows lack of character
At one point you said that the hypothetical situation the rule is intended to prevent is the shortstop [for example] letting the ball drop then stepping on second and throwing to first. That wouldn't work because you would only get the runner from first out -- the batter would have arrived at first while the ball was still in the air. The averted unfair double play would have to involve some combination of home plate, third base, and second base. I seem to recall a similar rule about an infielder intentionally dropping a line drive; the differences are that it has to be dropped, not just allowed to fall, it has to be intentional, and the batter isn't called out until the ball is actually dropped. Do I recall this correctly?
This is one problem with baseball and softball, in that other sports are trying to make rules that support the inherent drama of that sport, while baseball and softball don’t, and worse give it to umps to decide. And, of course the worst umps will immediately use their tiny authority to get all over this rule. We had this come up today in a 10u game. At that level, they let the kids play it out, but not that one ump who just can’t help but want to control every aspect of the game.
Thought I saw a line drive to short with runner on first, short stop drop the ball intentionally, threw to second to start the double play…. Ump stopped the play saying infield fly, batter out. Could be wrong but thought I saw this.
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Could you explain the purpose of drop third strike? I never understood that one. Why is it a rule?
During the infield fly rule, is there still a tag up situation, or can say a runner take off for 3rd the moment the call is made if like it's a deeper ball for the 1st baseman?
@@EMTDawg even if the runner already took off, the infield fly call means he doesn't have to go back. There's no longer a force at third, but there isn't a force back at second for the tag-up either.
What the call?
Runners on 1st and 2nd.
A pop up which the 1st baseman and R2 get tangled up.
The ball drops in fair territory.
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@@darryberrymemes5739 Whenever the angles are playing, the umpires suddenly act real obtuse. I don't think it is a-cute either.
Congratulations! I've THOUGHT I knew the infield fly rule pretty well but......................after 72 years of life I FINALLY understand it! Thank You! (You've taught an old dog something new)
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching.
I love your comment. It easily teaches young "know it alls" that they in fact don't know everything.
60 here and the same thing. Really appreciate it.
Dan, 25+ year umpire here: a few comments:
First, thanks for explaining this rule properly. I think that will go a long way to increasing fan understanding.
To be clear, if a fair batted ball hits a runner before a fielder has had the opportunity to make a play on it, that runner is out. Even if they are standing on their base. EXCEPT if they are standing on their base and are hit by an infield fly. Tricky.
Excellent explanation about why Infield Fly does NOT apply when there's only a runner on 1st.
From an umpire's perspective: 1) we are taught to call this (or not) at the apex of the hit.. at the top. Said differently, when the ball is at its peak, we look to see whether an infielder is in a position to make this catch with ordinary effort.
2) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER is that, even though the offense automatically has a batter out, THIS RULE ACTUALLY PROTECTS THE OFFENSE! When the offense complains about an infield fly being called, it's usually because they don't understand why the rule exists. (unless, of course, it was an uncatchable ball with ordinary effort.)
Great work, Dan. It's refreshing to hear a player get this rule absolutely right and spread correct information.
Thanks! Appreciate your contribution.
By what you’re saying if I’m on defense, see the infield fly ball going to hit the base runner on base, I’d attempt to make the catch, miss, let it hit him and get a double play. This rarely would happen but you just said “tricky”. It’s the rule right, just got act it out good 😂
I think the rule should not apply to minors Little League. The reason is that the purpose of the rule to prevent intentional dropping of the ball. But in minors they are not strategic enough to intentionally drop it. At least not in our minor league. These are 8 and 9 yr olds. So just let it play out. It just causes more confusion than is worth it.
@@ICLight412 He said that the infield fly was an exception to that rule.
The umpire’s discretion is what people and younger players have an issue with in this rule. It’s not consistent. And, baseball, or softball, should be as consistent as possible for players of a young age. This rule when actually called does nothing but confuse younger players. And, btw, in my 10 years coaching . I have never seen an umpire explain the rule to children. Most good umps never enforce this rule on kids understanding the fallacy of this rule at younger ages.
I coached Little League for 20 years and I've seen this rule turn into a three ring circus at that level. Many parents, coaches and even umpires at that level don't understand this rule. It would be nice if everybody (including parents) were forced to watch videos such as this before being allowed to be involved in Little League.
What’s the point of the infield fly rule!?!? To make Braves fans come completely unwound by the mere mention of it!
Those umpires should never set foot in Georgia again. That was still one of the most moronic IFR calls ever.
@@Turamwdd I was at a football game in Jasper and we went nuts there! The whole stadium.
Damn what happened?
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Been watching baseball for 35 years. This was an awesome overview and I learned a few things ! Great content 🍻
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Coach absolutely mentioned this, but it's important to remember that bunts are not protected. I'm not sure I agree with him that bunts are neglected because of the speed with which they occur. Rather, when bunts are attempted, the batter loses certain protections -- he assumes certain risks. For example, most people are very aware that a foul bunt attempt with 2 strikes is a strikeout -- the bunt attempt sacrifices the protection of "foul ball can't be strike 3." Same with IFF. Bunt attempts sacrifice IFF protection. So, a batter could actually hit a fairly high pop up off a bunt attempt and IFF will not apply. An aware infield could manufacture a double (or triple) play out of such an instance.
@@SirJacko999 No. You can foul off pitches for all of eternity.
Actually the bunt is not protected by the infield fly because of the history of baseball. The bunt has always been considered a “dirty play”, so if the B/R attempts to bunt then they are on their own.
If an infield fly is called, and the ball is caught, do runners still have to tag up, or can a runner start advancing as soon as the call is made without worrying about whether the ball is caught or dropped?
Runners still need to tag up on a caught/touched ball even when the batter is called out on a ball mid air.
@@matthewkellar9382 Thank you for answering that question. I have always wondered about that because the rule is badly worded in one spot: runners may advance "if desired" or "at their discretion." This certainly implies that they don't have to tag up, but that never made any sense to me and I always played it that you did have to tag up. I have played the game, watched the game, coached the game, acted as a volunteer ump, and even been an official scorer at the high school level on a couple of occasions over the course of 65 years and I never had that question fully clarified until today. Again, merci beaucoup!
@@MrEsMysteriesMagicks When an infield fly is called, the only thing that changes in the rules is that the batter is out and the force is removed. Thus the runners are no longer forced to advance and the chance for the "cheap" double play is removed. Everything else remains the same so all runners must retouch their time of pitch base if the ball is caught inflight just like on any other fly ball that is caught.
Also, runners do not have to wait until the ball is actually caught to retouch and attempt to advance. As long as the runners retouch their time of pitch base when the fly ball is initially touched by a defensive player, they may attempt to advance at that point.
Why doesn’t anyone ever mention that if the pop up is caught in the air, baserunners must tag up. Very important point
Yeah I guess most people would think that's a given. What's less obvious is when the infield fly rule is called is that runner do not need to tag up if the ball isn't caught although the batter is still out
Yeah I didnt explicitly mention that because it should be obvious; standard baseball rules still apply
My daughter intentionally dropped a ball in CF against last year’s state runner up and got an easy double play. This is what the rule is intended to prevent because it’s a heck of a lot easier to pull off on the infield. Needless to say, their coach was pissed. 😂
I'd have a hard time believing that an 8-6-3 double play could be made before the batter made it to 1B with full effort. My guess is that the batter conceded the out and didn't, in fact, run hard to 1B. This, again, is why it's only an IFF rule and not an OFF rule. The rules protect the runners from defensive shenanigans that artificially manufacture a double play. The rules are NEVER meant to protect the batter from less than 100% effort. The other coach should indeed have been pissed ... at his player for not running hard out of the box.
@@67L48 it was an 8-5-4
@@backporchradio I considered that after my reply. It's still an awful lot of throwing to gun down what should have been a hard charge from at least 1/4 the way from 1B to 2B. I suspect that poor baserunning was at least partially to blame. But, I wasn't there (obviously).
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER is that, even though the offense automatically has a batter called out, THIS RULE ACTUALLY IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE BATTING TEAM!
Think about this before complaining to an umpire that they called your batter out on an infield fly that was dropped. That umpire PROTECTED YOUR RUNNERS.
It was poorly designed if it was intended to protect the batting team. A better execution of it would be to simply have the Infield Fly call remove the need for runners to tag up. No automatic outs and you still prevent the fielders from getting a cheap double or triple play.
@@MikeDCWeld Your solution is poorly designed. If there's no automatic out, and the ball is dropped, where are you putting the batter if the runners don't have to move? And if they aren't in jeopardy of being put out on an infield fly, what's to prevent the offense from trying to hit popups and sacrificing the batter because the runners on 1st and 2nd, or 1st, 2nd, and 3rd can just run freely while the ball is in the air? So basically, under your rules, the offense would benefit from a free sacrifice fly ON THE INFIELD for a lousy hit.
The truth is that the infield fly rule allows the offense to get away with only one out on a lousy short pop fly. That's a fair and appropriate result for that hit without completely ruining the offensive inning.
@@FactsMatter where did I say the runners wouldn't have to move? The only baserunning rule that would be affected is the tag-up rule. My version would avoid inherently punishing the batter for a poor hit without putting the runners in a pickle. This is the most fair way for both sides. The defense still has to make the catch or risk the batter making it on base, but the runners are still protected from potential defensive shenanigans.
Also, what is stopping the offense from using the current Infield Fly Rule for a free sacrifice fly? Altering the rule as I've suggested would force the defense to play the fly ball honestly while allowing them the option of letting it drop to try for the double or triple play. If they do so, the offense may not even eat one out on the play.
@@FactsMatter Give them all one base from where they started, including the batter. The rule is meant to protect the runners from a cheap double or triple play, so there's no reason it needs to come into effect until the defense actually attempts a double play. If it's a straight up error, and they're not quick enough to recover and throw anyone out, why not give the batter first base? Calling him out just penalises the offense for the defense's mistake.
@@MikeDCWeld bottom of the ninth, tie score , runner on third, no outs. High fly to the short stop, runner on third scores before the ball is caught,,,,, game over!! No need to tag up!
1895 baseball player: "Hey, you know that rule about pop flies in the infield with two men on ... someone should write that one down."
Great explanation. I learned a few things. One thing that might have improved the video a bit for people who really don't know the game of baseball/softball that well would have been to preface the info about the infield fly rule with a quick overview of base running rules when the ball is hit in the air, i.e. tagging up or forced running depending on whether the ball is caught or in play.
I was not aware of it not applying with only a runner on first and you gave a great explanation as to why. Thanks.
I can't imagine this rule NOT existing in early baseball. Seems like the need for it would be very apparent within a few games. Anything that incentivizes a player to not catch a ball, or not throw a ball, or not hit a ball in baseball is a stupid rule.
As a Grandpa, this video is great. I've explained the rule to my grandson twice and I'm not sure if he gets it. This video will help him understand. Thanks for doing this.
I've watched many Atlanta Braves games and I never made the connection between the IFR being called and the number of outs/locations of baserunners. I just assumed it had to do with the way that the batter hit the ball and nothing else.
The IFR should be changed to require the defense actually catch the ball and if they error and drop it the runners are advanced automatically.
Great presentation! Am going to watch this again soon to remember more facts as I've always loved baseball and never knew all the details of this rule!
This happened to me in junior high, I was so confused.
I always wondered about this rule, thanks for the intel. Now if I could figure out when its a balk and when its not a balk.
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So unless you are a terrible person as a batter!
Love it
As a long time umpire (50+ years), the Infield Fly (IFF) rule ranks up there with interference, obstruction, and balks when it comes to confusing players, coaches, and (even) umpires. There's nothing magical about the Infield Fly rule (IFF) if you break it down to it's fundamental parts. When I used to teach rule clinics, I explained it this way.
1. An IFF situation exists when there is a potential force play at third base. (That can only happen when there are runners on first and second or first, second, and third.)
2. There must be a possibility for a double play. (That can only happen with less than two outs.)
3. It must be a fair fly ball that an infielder should be able to catch with ordinary effort. (So it can't be a bunt or line drive.)
4. The only part of the rules that change under the IFF is that the batter is out thus removing the force situation; therefore, the runners are no longer forced to advance. If the ball is caught inflight, runners must retouch their time of pitch base as they must on any caught fly ball. If the ball is not caught inflight, they are not required to retouch their time of pitch base before they can attempt to advance. That's just like any other fly ball. I've had coaches argue that runners must retouch their time of pitch base when an IFF is not caught - not so.
5. If the umpire declares an IFF and the batted ball touches a baserunner while he is in contact with the bag, it's not interference and only the batter is out; however, the ball becomes dead and no runners can advance. If the runner is off the base and touched by the IFF, the ball becomes dead, the runner is out for interference and the batter is out on the declared IFF. No other runners can advance.
As for calling an IFF, umpires are taught to wait until the ball approaches its apex. That allows us the opportunity to track the ball and judge whether or not it can be caught with ordinary effort by an infielder. We look to see if the fielder has basically "settled" under the ball or if he/she is still trying to get into position. It doesn't matter who actually catches the ball. Once we make the decision, we point up in the air while calling either "Infield fly!" or "Infield fly - the batter's out!"
On flyballs hit down the foul lines and judged to be a potential IFF, umpires call "Infield fly if fair!" (Remember #3 - it must be a fair fly ball.) I had a situation where that was the case and the ball fell untouched between the pitcher, catcher, and first baseman about a foot into foul territory. The spin on the ball caused it to roll into fair territory where it was first touched by the catcher. By definition, that was a fair ball and the Infield Fly Rule was enforced. The offensive coach wasn't pleased with that call.
Awesome name, Bill Bell.
That's a great example of one of the main problems with the IFF rule: it's supposed to protect the offense. If the defense drops the ball deliberately to get a cheap two or three outs instead of one, the IFF rule limits it to one, and the other runners are safe. **But** if it's an actual error, or if they try for a double play and mess it up, the IFF rule gives them a free out, that they wouldn't have otherwise got. That's the exact opposite of what the rule is meant to do. The ump should be able to reverse the IFF call after the play if the call advantaged the defense, and make a judgement call, just say everyone is safe where they are, or all runners get one base, from where they started, or whatever the case may be. Penalising the offense for an error by the defense seems pretty wrong.
Even better, they should be able to just call it after the play, like they can with obstruction, or with a deliberately dropped ball with a runner on first.
@@Jivvi word. like in soccer with the "advantage" rule where a foul is tentatively called but play is not stopped (no whistle), and if the offense retains possession and the ref determines that the fouling team would get an advantage from play being stopped and a free kick being awarded, they just let them play on.
@@mattt.4395 Lots of sports have a similar rule. Rugby, rugby league, hockey, lacrosse, broomball, handball, water polo, ice hockey (but I think that works a bit differently). Even tennis has a sort of advantage rule, where if a line judge makes a bad call, but someone was about to win the point, you can just award the point instead replaying it.
Baseball has it too, with obstruction calls. Like if a runner gets obstructed going from second to third, you don't just call the play dead and award them third base; you let the play continue. If they make it to third, you call them safe; if they don't, you award them third base; and if there's an error or something, and they can make it home, you let them score. There's no legitimate reason infield flys couldn't be ruled the same way: let the play continue, and if it advantages the offense, you let it stand; but if it advantages the defense, you award bases as appropriate.
Ump here. Came to watch for reinforcement. While I didn't learn anything new, I thought you made an excellent video. You explained every aspect of the rule perfectly. And... you did the cherry on top of the sundae, which is to explain why the rule doesn't work with a runner only on first, because that's a totally fair thing for people to wonder. Completely explained the rule, umpire's implementation, and the rationale for the rule. Nice job. I've also heard it said that umps can call it after the fact. Like, if the situation arises, the ump fails to call it, then the throw to 3rd and 2nd gets us a double, the umpire can realize after the fact, call infield fly, and nullify the double play. I'm not positive on that, however.
thanks!
Second video I’m watching and I’m now confirmed: you are a great baseball teacher! I appreciate your energy and clarity. This is really easy to understand. Thank you so much!
Awesome! Thank you!
I would see this in Mario Super Sluggers and always wondered what it meant. Thanks for the explanation 👍
Great explanation. Never understood this rule.
The complexity of rules in baseball is a feature, not a bug, of the game, the result of so many years of gradual evolution, both experience with real games and getting to know the heart and the "logic" of the game itself. This rule is probably the best example of that: at first, it seems like a "patch up" rule for a flawed structure, but once you see it it actually shows something about the essence of the game. Great explication by Coach Dan!
It is not a pop up to the infield. It is a fly ball, not counting line drives, that CAN BE FIELDED by an infielder with normal effort. So it can be called on a short fly to the outfield where an umpire believes an infielder could catch it with normal effort. See Cardinals v Braves wildcard game and the play with Pete Kozma 90 feet into left field.
That was a bad call. Fly balls hit on the infield or just in the outfield by a few feet ARE CALLED POP UPS. Thanks for using caps.
@@DanBlewett absolutely not a bad call according to the wording of the rule. Kozma was camped out under the ball using normal effort and he was an infielder. Granted, if the call had not been infield fly that would have been correct too if that was the judgment of the umpire. An example of when two different calls in baseball could be correct and a example of the perfect imperfection of baseball that make it such a beautiful sport. You welcome for the caps. Some people misuse them to mimic yelling, instead of their long time use as EMPHASIS as I just did again. I use them properly and it is great to have that recognized. Pop ups are actually defined as a ball hit high into the air but not deep, so 90 feet would be considered a pop up, but that is just another type of fly ball. So again, the call was correct and would have been correct also if the judgment of the umpire calling it was different.
Fun fact, the ball can even be played on by an outfielder and it still be an infield fly if an infielder is camped under it and in position to make a play on it. This happened in an MLB playoff game several years ago where it was popped up sky high in shallow left field and F6 camped underneath it and F7 booted it. Still IFF rule.
Braves fan here... yes, and it led to some pretty funny memes later, but it pissed off the entire city when it happened. I can easily say that I had never seen a ball hit that deep be called on the infield fly rule.
@@MrBlakeD82 It was really windy that day, which a lot of people rightly say should have factored into whether it can be caught by an Infielder with reasonable effort.
The problem with that play is the SS calls it really quickly and camps under it, and then drifts forever out into the OF after calling it like 5 feet off the IF. Then he drops it because I think a fan yelled they had it, not Holliday behind him. I like to think that's karma on the fan being unsportsmanlike.
@@robertdouth8979 The fact of the matter is that the infielder did not have a position on the ball. It shouldn't have been called.
I've heard it described as "a double play should not be trivially easy."
agree with that sentiment
Thanks. I have tried to explain this to my husband but apparently wasn’t making it clear. Now I can just hand him this video 😊
Shout out to the Washington Monument
You seem like a very good coach Dan. I played little league back in the 80's and i literally can't remember them teaching me anything outside of 'goto right field and don't come back until i tell you to'. You actually explain things and don't seem like you'd be condescending to those who don't immediately understand. 😎🏍💨👍
Never heard that explained so well. Thanks.
I thought this was all pretty intuitive. I guess reading the comment section gives me a brief and unimportant sense of superiority for a few seconds.
I don’t play but adore the game. Your videos have been entertaining and informative regardless.
thank you! This rule is definitely confusing for some, so I wanted to help clear it up
Nice break down - thank you
Do the base runners have to tag up with the infield fly rule?
Yes, if the ball is caught, the same as any other caught ball. From a runner's perspective, all the infield fly call does is prevent a force-out. It doesn't remove the requirement to tag-up, nor prevent them from being tagged out. Way back when I was umpiring there were several times the fielding team was paying attention and got a runner who had come slightly off the base but was strolling back, or took off to the next base because they thought they didn't have to tag up.
On the other hand, I've also seen fielding teams get slack and let the ball drop to the ground, and the lead runner recognized it and took the chance it was going to happen and took off and made it successfully.
I still think that the role should be changed so that if the ball is not caught on an infield fly, everyone is safe. Similar to an overthrow going into the dugout; everyone advances.
Infield fly >> fly rule is activated >> batter is "provisionally out" >> ball is caught >> runner is out, no one needs to advance
Infield fly >> fly rule is activated >> batter is "provisionally out" >> ball is dropped >> batter is safe at first >> runners on first and second and third automatically advance
Mostly I've always really hated the idea that the infielders can miss the catch but the batter is still out (even though I totally understand why this rule exists) I think there should essentially be a penalty of some kind to the defense for dropping that ball just like there would be if the bases were empty. This is pretty much the only situation where the batter can get penalized on a fly ball that isn't caught.
I understand your point, and it's an interesting thought. And yes, rarely the hitter could be penalized, as you say, if the ball is dropped. But even if it was dropped, and the infield fly didnt exist, the base runners would never get to advance - at least one would get forced out in 99/100 times. So really, popping a ball up in the infield means the hitter has completely failed and, even if HE would reach base, no one else would advance. So thats why I don't think anyone deserves to move up a base. A pop up is a terrible outcome for the hitter, drop or not - they deserve to be out. Fits with the ethos of the game.
@@DanBlewett The Braves wildcard game is a great counterexample. It was called so far away from the infield that the baserunners easily advanced when it was missed, though the batter was still out. That was a huge penalty for the offense, for which the rule is supposed to protect. I like Justin's proposed change. The onus is on the fielders to catch it, not for the batter to hit the ball better.
Yeah but thats such a rare occurrence - why should they make sure a rare thing the rule? That doesnt make sense either.
@@QuovatisPS that was a poor judgement call by the umpire though and not because of a bad rule. The braves one was well into the outfield and could not be fielded with ordinary effort. Bad call by umpire. I believe the umpire was not in a regular position (at least at that time) because it was playoffs nd so it seemed more like an infield fly because the umpire was positioned deeper in the outfield where he wasnt used to being.
@@DanBlewett im with you. Either youre rewarding the batter for hitting an infield pop up or the fielders for missing one. Take your pick but I think the rule is fair, and if they do miss it you can still advance and perhaps farther than just one base.
Recently got back into baseball, and your videos are well explained and helps to brush up on the game.
Baseball be complicated! Very well explained though 👍
Excellent thorough description with examples. Thank you!
Coach nice explanation. But I still have a question someone here can attempt to answer. It is always stated a runner may advance at their own risk so....WHEN can a runner advance? My argument would be once the batter is called out - which of course is immediately upon recognition it is an infield pop up. The umpires will make the call batter out SO.....what if the batter should sky a pop up, all the runners SHOULD take off immediately and the defense would not be able to have a chance to make a play on any runner since the ball is still in the air. Always wanted to try this and listen to any umpire tell me it is not within the rule. Since it matters not if the ball is caught or not, any tagging up is negated. Thoughts?
If you did that--say, you were a runner on 2nd base--the fielder would catch the ball and step on 2nd base (or throw to the 2nd baseman, and he'd step on 2nd base) and you'd be called out for leaving the base before the ball was caught. The infield fly rule does not negate the rule for tagging up.
@@highnrising I am not saying you are wrong because that is how everyone plays it, BUT nowhere in the rule does it state tagging up NOR does the defense have to catch the ball. I would challenge that declaration of batter is out negates tagging up.
@@bobbelf9762 And you would be incorrect. The rule effects the batter, not the runners (except removing the possibility of a force out). The runners still have to follow the same rules for running bases, one of which is that they have to tag up after a caught ball.
@@keith6706 Keith appreciate your response. My own brother sent me the MLB rule and it is stated in the last 2 lines about runners. Been coaching a long time and have never read those 2 lines in the rule.
One thing you didn't mention is that if an infielder goes out into the outfield and can catch the ball with ordinary effort but is called off by an outfielder who ends up catching the ball it can still be called an infield fly.
That's true and correct - thanks for adding that!
@@DanBlewett I've umpired for 30 years and have had some coaches argue about that one.
The rule is there to prevent the defense from scoring an easy double play. I know this won't happen but I think the rule should be if the fielder doesn't catch it, then batter and all runners advance one base, and the batter is credited with a hit. There's no confusion that way. Pop-ups are supposed to be easy hence the rule, so catch it.
There is no confusion with the current rule. Why do you want to reward a batter for weakly popping up?
@@FUGP72 I can make the same argument in reverse-why reward the defense for an easily caught ball? The point I am making is catch the damn ball, don't try to trick the offense; if you do there's a penalty.
@@steveburke1519 You aren't. This is the EXPECTED outcome. Giving a free base gives the offense no worse than the expected outcome but the potential for a very good outcome. The rule as it is now, offers BOTH teams no worse than the expected outcome. NEITHER side gets any advantage or potential advantage. It is a trade off in that the offense is trading a free base in the EXTERMELY unlikely (literally less than once every season in MLB...for the WHOLE LEAGUE) that an easy pop up is dropped, while the defense is trading an easy double play for just one out the other 99.99% of the time. You want the the defense to make all the sacrifices. Not be able to get ANY better than the outcome of a live ball, but also not get any advantage from them calling an infield fly.
You ARE at least smart enough to realize that even if the infielder drops the ball, it doesn't mean they WOULD have dropped the ball if the infield fly rule wasn't called, right? Someone yelling as you as you are focused on the ball.
@@steveburke1519 You want to allow the defense to get cheap outs 9,999 times out of 10,000 just so in the literally AT MOST 1 in 10,000 chance that they drop a pop up that is routine enough to be called an infield fly, the offense isn't cheated? Just plain stupid. It is so simply that LITERALLY a 5 year old understands it. the infield fly rule DOESN'T HELP THE DEFENSE! It helps the offense. And you using scenarios that would happen literally less than once a season in the majors means nothing.
I guarantee you that out of the thousands of times the rule has been invoked, not ONCE as the batting team felt cheated if the ball was dropped. The only time that might happen is if the team felt it WASN'T a routine pop up and that he rule shouldn't have been called. But on regular pop ups that are obvious calls for the umpire, nobody gets mad if the ball is dropped and the batter is out anyway.
Your rule makes the offense give up nothing? They can do no worse than the "expected" outcome of the play, which is a popout. Whereas the defense can do no BETTER than the expected value, but can do much worse. All on a play where the pitcher CLEARLY got the better of the batter.
Do you really not see why that is stupid? You either call the infield fly as it is, or you think they should get rid of it. Your proposal is the worst of both. It would be like a defendant in a criminal case having to choose between pleading guilty and accepting the plea bargain, or going to trial..but even if he is found not guilt, the BEST scenario is they get the sentence of the plea bargain...but could get worse.
@@FUGP72 Why arguing this with me? The rule is what it is and it's not going to change; I'm just observing that the defense should catch these supposedly easy pop-ups. There have been many times, especially in lower levels of play, where the defense didn't catch it and the offense still got penalized by the automatic out. The infield fly rule is one of the most misunderstood rules in baseball, especially to casual fans. I'm done arguing this, because it's pointless. I feel the rule should favor the offense, you don't. That is all.
Appretiate your effort for explaining these rules, especially for someone that plays out of the States!
Prevent intentional errors
That's probably the simplest and best explanation
That was the first thing he said.
I always thought that if the ball is dropped the runners should automatically get 1 base and it's called an error.
That's ridiculous.
You want to reward a batter for hitting a weak pop up?
@@FUGP72 I want to punish the fielder for dropping a weak pop up. I batter getting to first after striking out isn't rewarding the batter for striking out.
I am not a big baseball fan, but it would help to get you more fans if you looked for the right kind of fan....By that I mean, look ONLY for people who are driven by numbers....Baseball is more numerically driven than all other sports combined....And please lessen the time in between pitches, please!!!!!
I didn't know I didn't know this! So cool. Thanks
I really don't watch baseball and you made it super easy to understand.
Excellent explanation. I summed it up as "Less than 2 outs, force out opportunity at 3rd base, and ordinary effort by defender."
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on the infield fly called during the 2012 Wild card between the Braves and the Cardinals….
Great video as usual. An infield flyball rule I witnessed which resulted in a triple play was this: There was a high popup in foul territory near 3rd base where the umpire called the infield fly rule and also added "IF FAIR". The 3rd baseman misplayed the popup, allowing the ball to land behind him in foul territory, but the ball kicked into the infield between 3rd and home plate. The defensive team, being sharper than the team at bat, saw the pitcher field the ball and throw it to the SS covering 3rd base for a tag out on the advancing runner from 2nd base, then the SS threw the ball to the 2nd baseman covering 2nd base who applied a tag to the advancing runner from 1st base. Triple play complete.
so the team at bat just decided to send their runners even though the batter was out? Terrible blunder on their part.
Do runners have to tag up ?
@@DanBlewett -- The situation looked worse, because it occurred during a men's league game where the runners ignored the GET BACK commands of the 1st and 3rd base coaches, both of whom had played as high as AA and high A affiliate ball. Even after the inning was over, the two amateur runners were telling the former pros and umpires they didn't know the rules! Oh well.
@@alfalfa5705 All other rules are the same. IFF does not negate normal baserunning rules. So, any time a ball is caught, then players must tag to run; any time a ball is not caught, there is no need to tag up. In this case, it appears that the ball was not caught. It's important to remember that IFF merely declares the batter out immediately and ALL other rules of baseball are still in play and it's a live ball.
@@67L48 I was umpiring a game (just two umpires, me behind the plate and one in the field), runners on first and second, batter hits a fly close to the line so I called infield fly if fair. Third base loses the ball in the sun and drops it...but did so when the ball was foul. The ball scoots away, runners on first and second try to advance, I shoo them back. The coach comes out, ticked off, and starts yelling that runners can advance on an infield fly. I agreed, but the ball ended up being just a foul ball, and runners can't advance on a foul ball. Runners go back, batter goes back to the plate with a 2nd strike. He ends up grounding into a double play to end the at-bat. Coach is fuming because he thought I'd screwed them over.
A few innings later, now they've got bases loaded and there's another close one near the line with one out. This time the third basemen catches it, again in foul territory. And then steps on third base as the runner, who'd taken a small lead, strolls back to the base. I call the runner out so, with the infield fly call on the batter, double play that ends the inning.. The coach explodes out of the dugout, screaming at me. "It was a foul ball!" I agreed with him again, but pointed out it was caught, which means runners have to tag up or else risk being put out like any fly ball, including ones in foul territory. He starts ranting that wasn't true if it was an infield fly because the batter was automatically out. It was frankly hilarious. There's nothing quite as funny as a coach trying to rules lawyer you without knowing the actual rule.
I appreciate this video even though it is 2 years old. I already know about the rule. But years ago when I was playing little league the in fly rule actually got called in one of our game. The thing about that was we as kids did not understand anything that was going on when it got called in our coaches never ever taught us about it. So hopefully if that ever happens to the younger generation that they can refer to a video such as this to understand
Great explanation. I never knew there's this much detail in the infield fly rule. I wonder if he has a video going into this level of detail on what exactly a balk..... man read my mind, I know what I'm watching next!
appreciate the love from VanDelay Industries
If the runner on first is a speedy guy, and the batter is a fat slow dude, might be worth letting it drop and make it a slower runner on first. Especially if the speedy guy is a SB threat.
Good explanation but a bad rule.
Why? Why is it bad?
MLB made the rule more confusing than necessary. I propose that the rule should say “with a force out at third……”
We dont need all the rest about where the runners are and such…
Not gonna lie, I've always hated the IFF rule. But that's just me. You explain it well though.
The infield fly rule needs to be abolished. Infielders can drift back onto the outfield grass, and the rule is still called, which is bologna. Infielders drop the ball and the batter is still out; another joke.
You never said whether the runner can go the call of IFF or if he must remain on base until it is called, or does he have to tag up.? Can he run when the ball is hit? Must be wait?
Would you consider the infamous IFR call against the braves to be an accurate call. I say no because of the easy effort portion of the rule.
The thing that’s annoying to me is even though there are specific applicable condition you’re waiting on the Ump to say whether it’s an infield fire or not that’s one of annoying parts
One advantage with a runner only on first base would be to swap a fast runner for a slow runner... but that's rather meta-thinking
For those in attendance, watching on TV or who cannot otherwise hear the umpire call out the ruling, they will also point their index finger straight up to signal it.
'Unless your batter is a terrible person, (ahem, B.J. Upton), that's not going to happen.'
Great explanation. This is one of the aspects of baseball that makes it such a great game (may they stop changing the rules!). Many years ago, I was at a Little League game of my brother’s, and, there was a pop-up on the infield, with runners on 1st and 2nd. The ump, who was a teenager, didn’t call infield fly, the ball dropped, and, the runner going to 3rd was easily forced out. Ok. But, the opposing team’s coach comes out and argues with the child ump that it was an infield fly, and the batter is out. The kid calls him out, and leaves the force out at 3rd stand as well. I almost got ejected from the game as a fan for protesting the injustice. Needless to say, this is something for umpires to master from the outset of their careers.
Teenagers volunteering to umpire children's games don't have an "umpiring career"
It's up to the local little leagues to train their own umpires.
If an umpire doesn’t call it, then there’s no infield fly. You can complain to him that it should have been called, but it can’t be enacted after the play is over. In little league games, it may be debatable whether the ball con be easily caught by a player who can’t judge a pop up.
Thank you for explaining the runner on first only portion. I suspected this was the reason.
Great video, great simple explanation. Thank you.
"Unless your batter is a terrible person, that's not going to happen." Justin Bour in shambles.
Interesting, I didn't know that the rule wasn't in effect if there was only a runner on 1st. Seemed strange given they are still in a forced situation , great explanation as to why it isn't.
The easiest way to remember this is: a force out at 3B must be in effect with fewer than 2 outs. That's the best way I used to educate my parents about when an IFF is in play. I found that more than one sentence was too complex for most people to remember on what isn't that common a play.
A high pop up with only a runner on 1st is basically fielders choice in who they want out. Since the ball is up in the air, the batter has ample time to get to 1st before a double play. So the fielder can catch the ball and get the batter out, or if the person on 1st has decent speed and the batter does not, they may opt to take the risk in letting it drop and getting the force out at 2nd.
100%.
@@gscurd75 I read recently another reason there must be a force at 3rd and, unsurprising for me, cannot remember it. I've spent most of the afternoon trying to find it or remember where I saw it. It, as I remember, made just as much sense as the above mentioned. If someone else knows, please post it. Otherwise, I'll keep looking. Any ideas, Coach Blewett?
@@John-gj1jr It's based on the rule there has to be runners on first and second or bases loaded before the IFR. In either case, there's a potential force at third, so if there isn't a force at third, there's no way for an IFR call.
A few years ago I saw Xandar Bogarts get an easy double play by dropping a popup on purpose with a runner on first- so it can be done. Up until then, I didn't know that the IFR only applied to runners on first and second or bases loaded (even though I played BB from second grade through HS).
it usually wont work with a runner only on first unless the batter-runner isn't running or its a very low pop-up that maybe only is in the air for 1 second. Pop-ups, especially at higher levels, are in the air for 3+ seconds, so even if the batter-runner is jogging, there won't be enough time to let it drop and throw to 2nd and 1st
Do the runners still have to tag up on an infield fly if they are going to advance. Even if the infielder catches the ball?
It seems like this is something a computer could (and should) do especially well, and totally objectively. Barring wind, a computer can tell the instant a baseball leaves the bat where it's going to drop by its speed and trajectory. A computer should be calling infield flies. (But then, it should also be calling balls and strikes.)
nah. its not that hard of a call to make. It rarely gets messed up.
So glad I watched this yesterday! This situation just happened in the FSU @ UNC game and I understand what's happening better than the announcers do!
Awesome - I’m making more videos like this one, glad it helped.
It certainly makes it easier to understand the rule when the reason why it exists is elaborated on.
6:34 Actually, you can go almost all the way to the warning track and have it be an infield fly.
Why yes, I'm still angry, why do you ask?
@@DanBlewett I'm being a little sarcastic. Braves Cardinals 10/5/12
this rule is horse wash cause when i played in my youth we didnt have such horse wash rules.....they making baseball for lazy pansy people that want to have easy win and not put any work into it cause you can have a in fild fly and the play catch it and then ball drop and have a single or double run with a play on the bag at fise base all cause of the player screw the pooch in trying to vatch the ball.....with this horse wash rool then the ump call it and immidy the play is out and every one else could take the ponts and bags on the same play as above......do this rule is for the weak players of this era
This rule has been around since Babe Ruth. Please learn how to spell.
I wish it was simply whether it was caught before it hit the ground or not.
There a little more to that line - the rule actually reads "...batter is out - IF FAIR ". I have seen this in action. Batter popped up, umps signal in-field fly but it hits in fair territory but bounces foul between 3rd and home plate without being touched - - - - It's just a foul ball.
It doesn't have to BE foul, just end up in foul territory without being touched in fair territory.
(don't forget about the ball bouncing foul inside the diamond)
Everyone on the field (including the umps) got it wrong but our pitcher understood the true definition and convinced the umps. I give them credit for listening.
This is the source of the confusion - when stating this rule people should complete the part of the sentence everyone leaves out - IF FAIR - and understand what a fair/foul ball is.
...I covered this in the video
Yesterday, in my son's Little League Seniors game, we had 1st & 2nd with 1 out. Hitter hit a liner over the 2nd baseman's head that was called an Infield Fly (it wasn't a pop-up) that he didn't catch. Both runners advanced to 2nd & 3rd. The umpire made both the runners return to their base, and still called the batter out. To me, this isn't right. The runners are allowed to advance at their own risk, and since the infielder did NOT catch the ball, both runners are safe at 2nd & 3rd. Right?
they made the wrong call.
If "infield fly" IS CAUGHT the runners MUST TAG UP. If "infield fly" IS NOT CAUGHT the runners are NOT REQUIRED TO TAG UP.
yes this was all covered in the video
This is what makes baseball less fun.
Too many complicated rules creating dependency on umpires' judgement.
If you want to avoid double and triple plays, just be better at batting.
...Or just take out the force play rule entirely, leaving it up to the runner to decide if they want to leave the base for the runner behind, which would also create more plays trying to tag runners out, adding more action and more exciment for people watching the game as well.
If a single rule takes 11 minutes to explain, that's way too complicated. Keeping things simple is usually the better solution. Less frustration and confusion = more fun.
no, you don't know what you're talking about. this rule is important and it's not that complicated for those who play the game. Baseball would be dramatically worse without it. "just be better at batting" is such an ignorant statement, shows you clearly don't know anything about the sport.
Hey Dan we were playing in our playoffs up here in Ontario this weekend and we had bases loaded......no out and pop up between catcher and pitcher......umpire did not say a word just pointed up.......coaches knew rule but were waiting for ump to say something.....of course confusion reigned and they ended up getting a triple play......is it enough for the umpire to point up or is it in the rules they must announce it loud and clear "Infield fly batter out"....or maybe it's just assumed everyone knows the rule
they need to yell it. pointing isnt enough. the players in the field will be looking at the ball, not the umpire, so of course confusion will ensure
Thx for explanation. Just watched video of MLB guy not running to first on pop up while runner on first. I didn’t get why Vlad Jr was exhibiting high IQ when it let ball drop and get double play.
In that moment I realized I didn’t understand infield fly rule.
yeah. it can be risky dropping pop-ups though - they come down with a lot of spin. its safest if they'll fall in the infield grass - they dont shoot away like they sometimes will on hard dirt
When an infield fly is called, do you have to wait until the ball drops/is caught to run or can you just run right when it is called?
this was addressed in the video and multiple places in the comments
There is a big decision where 2012 NL wild card with the Braves and Cardinals where the shortstop ran halfway in the outfield and dropped the ball and its dropped between him and the outfielder. The Umpire didn't call it until after it dropped, I'm interested to read your opinion.
It was a bad call. it was way too far in the outfield and no one was camped.
@@DanBlewett Thank you.
Yeah it protects the hitting team from an unfair double play
One thing to add as to why the liner/hump-back liner are not included... if a defender decided to not catch it, where does it go? A fly ball will probably drop at his feet to be picked up quickly.. but a liner... that could roll to the wall..So from a defender standpoint, if you don't catch it.. not only do you stand a good chance of NOT making a DP.. you may see multiple runners score. A liner has quite a bit of horizontal movement.. where the flyball is mostly vertical.. So that's why those get excluded... and liners often are in the glove or through the IF before the umpires and runners even have a chance to react enough to think about the play. Let alone for an umpire to make a call...
Something tells me that Ty Cobb may have been a big reason this rule was put into play.. him letting a ball drop to gain a DP seems like his type of SOP. (I could be wrong.. both predate me...)
no, those are not the reasons those types of hits are not part of the infield fly. its because they could be hits, as I mentioned.
Good explanation! I had to watch this video again because i didn't remember the rule of there being a runner on 1st. Now i got it clear. I'm 78 and have always loved Baseball. Thanks 👍
Glad it helped!
Now, the issue we see today is that infield fly rule has been applied to balls in the middle of the outfield because the infielder attemped to catch it. MANY unpires believe that if the infielder attempts to catch the ball, they call infield fly giving a free out. No camping necessary. We have had this called 3x this season and the outfielders never attempt to catch the ball but the ss runs 50 feet into the outfield and it drops but they call it. We have seen high deep "infield" , which is really 30 yards into the outfield, blooper hits that land 5 ft into the outfield..... we have also had 4x when the infield fly should have been called but wasnt, the pitcher intentionally dropped the high pop up, with bases loaded no outs, they turned a triple play and we lost the game by 1 run. Every instance they use the part that says unpires discretion to justify their incompetence. Its not hard, if the ball is hit into the outfield, it cannot be infield fly. When the outfielder is standing beside the infielder 5 ft from his normal position, this is not infield fly. Also. Dropping the ball on purpose is a corrupt mindset to teach children. Cheating is not sportsmanship. Its the same as teams tanking to get the nunber one draft.... it shows lack of character
you're being dramatic
At one point you said that the hypothetical situation the rule is intended to prevent is the shortstop [for example] letting the ball drop then stepping on second and throwing to first. That wouldn't work because you would only get the runner from first out -- the batter would have arrived at first while the ball was still in the air. The averted unfair double play would have to involve some combination of home plate, third base, and second base.
I seem to recall a similar rule about an infielder intentionally dropping a line drive; the differences are that it has to be dropped, not just allowed to fall, it has to be intentional, and the batter isn't called out until the ball is actually dropped. Do I recall this correctly?
yes - i misspoke in the moment - its mostly for a 3rd to 2nd double play
Baseball needs to take more steriods. Bring back 90s
The high rise flat bill tells me all I need to know about this guy.
This is one problem with baseball and softball, in that other sports are trying to make rules that support the inherent drama of that sport, while baseball and softball don’t, and worse give it to umps to decide. And, of course the worst umps will immediately use their tiny authority to get all over this rule. We had this come up today in a 10u game. At that level, they let the kids play it out, but not that one ump who just can’t help but want to control every aspect of the game.
no. this rule is necessary.
Thought I saw a line drive to short with runner on first, short stop drop the ball intentionally, threw to second to start the double play…. Ump stopped the play saying infield fly, batter out. Could be wrong but thought I saw this.
no, wouldnt be infield fly - there is an intentional drop rule the umpire can use for that