As mentioned at the end of the report, Delta merged with Northwest and suddenly had too many hubs too close together. (Minneapolis, Detroit, Cincinnati) They had to get rid of one, and CVG was the one.
Yea, but how do you explain Portland , Oregon ? Still a gateway to Asia and Europe from a city of only 600,00 with Seattle in the same area. I've been stuck working for Delta for the last 10 yrs, 30 yrs with the airlines.....foolish to try figuring them out
@@andyjay729 Not a chance of that happening, Alaska Airlines is more than twice the size of Delta at Seatac, and just over 50% of all passengers fly on Alaska. Delta may call Seatac a hub, but it's not. They have been pushing to almost triple the number of gates they have (from 11 to 30), but the airport doesn't have the capacity Delta wants, especially for international flights. The Customs facility is not equipped to deal with that much international traffic, and they don't want to replicate the "dePort-land-ia" fiasco that their neighbor to the south experienced. Portland used to be a huge international gateway for Delta, but when the Asian economy imploded in the late 1990s, Delta shut down all of the routes through PDX, and now most of the international routes they operate were the ones that they inherited when they absorbed Northwest. They are slowly expanding there, but it's still a shadow of its former self.
@@UserHorologium Too bad Seatac's customs facility is undersized, because it seems like a much bigger airport than PDX (though I've only been to PDX on one trip this decade; I've flown in and out of Seatac much more, so correct me if I'm wrong). If Delta had brains they'd try to make it their second West Coast hub and take the pressure off LAX. Would you say Seatac has enough gates to be a hub for any major international carrier?
The Delta-Northwest merger was the Big Nail in the Coffin for CVG. Why continue with a hub at CVG when you have two larger, stronger Hubs in DTW and MSP so close by.
@@jonesyokc I agree they should not have merged but for different reasons. NW and DL were two totally different cultures. DL had a WAY better reputation and service than NW. Merging with them just dragged DL down in overall quality of everything. I miss the old Delta.
I live and grew up about 5 miles from this airport, and I'm asking the same question. CVG has rebounded since btw, mostly through budget airlines and DHL. Delta is still here but it's not as important as it once was. Only a handful of flights directly leave the country when there used to be a lot more international flights at CVG. It's strange why RUclips is recommending this to people, especially people who don't live in Greater Cincinnati.
Update: It looks like the decline has reversed somewhat. Delta downsizing its hub operations there actually brought back local travelers, as they said almost a decade ago, and Frontier has made it a "focus city". CVG is also one of America's busiest cargo airports. Terminals 1 and 2 have been demolished, though. TLDR: CVG may not retain its former ambitious glory, but it's carved out an important regional niche for itself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati/Northern_Kentucky_International_Airport#Recent_history
Donovan Wikipedia isn’t needed. You can see it for yourself. You can go on flight aware or flight radar to see the crazy amounts of cargo planes that are scheduled to land right now.
I worked as a CVG based Airline Flight Attendant for Comair. Myself and many other Comair Flight Attendants were "displaced" from CVG to JFK, in early 2007. I left Comair in early February, 2007. In April, 2007, I was invited to attend the Initial Flight Attendant with Chautauqua Airlines. At that point, we flew many Delta Connection flights out of CVG. However, in early 2009, our base in CVG closed. Yes, Concourse C, became a ghost town. I enjoyed working with Comair. But it was so sad to see CVG lose hundreds of flights, and many CVG employees laid off.
It is an unregulated and brutal industry,so the bigger picture must be included. Long term this airport could make it if low cost and others come soon.
Yeah they did. However St. Louis would've been a great hub. Way less air traffic and much better waether than the main hub in Chicago! I love St. Louis
@@db60615 I flew into St. Louis in the 90's probably a hundred times. Used to love that place. Went to college about 90 miles from there. American ruined the St. Louis hub.
From Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) "CVG... • is the lowest fare airport in the region as ranked by the U.S. Department of Transportation. • has nonstop service to 39 of the top 40 U.S. markets. • has 180 peak-day flights to 61 nonstop airport destinations (July 2018). • has more nonstop flights than any other airport in the Tri-State (Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana) region. • is the only airport in Ohio and Kentucky with nonstop transoceanic service, serving Paris, France nonstop on a year-round operation. • is the 8th largest cargo airport in North America. • is home to DHL's North American hub and Amazon's first global air hub supporting a fleet of 100+ Prime Air planes. • is recognized globally as a leading U.S. airport by SkyTrax World Airport Awards." Eight years later, it appears CVG has survived and prospered.
How about service to Africa ?. Lagos- Cincinnati by Arik Air a Nigerian Airline. How about service to South America ? Caracas - Cincinnati via Santa Barbara Airlines. Brasilia - Cincinnati via Gol Airlines.
Delta abandoning CVG as a hub was one of the best things to happen for consumers. Low cost carriers now can fly out of CVG without fear of Delta undercutting them out of business.
STL went through the same issue, when AA bought out TWA, STL was still going to be used as a hub with a new 9000 foot runway added to accommodate the higher traffic rate. Two tears after AA committed to STL, they pulled flights and decreased their ops there, lots of money spent on them just to have them pull up stakes and leave a shell of what STL used to see.
Yeah that was kinda silly in my opinion. STL was perfect! Way less air traffic, and not nearly as many weather delays as Chicago. I guess it was just too close for comfort.
I used to work there when they had the abanded part i work there there for 6 years they tore the abanded part down now they just maded out of a big land space for the the planes to land and take off and this airport have a lot of paranormal activity to built on top of a old cemetery
Terribly sad, similar to what the folks in PIT have had to deal with. It hurts twice as the costs have to be divided up among the remaining airlines and flights making it too expensive for new entrants. As I recall the landing fees and rents at PIT are among the most expensive in the US. The mess at CVG has kept SLC from touching their no-amenity, museum to 1970s aviation.
Ohio really needs to have flights between CVG, DAY, CMH, and CLE. It makes no sense to fly all the way to IAH or ATL just to fly to another city within the state. Also, the city needs to work with the airport to facilitate more interest for international carriers.
Just found this video, JEEZZZE, relocated to the EU for work and departed with Delta in 06 from CVG. Sad to see that Delta has basically pulled out! This place was so darn busy the many times I went transatlantic before moving, it reminds me of all the dead malls across the country. So busy with work that it was about a week ago I learned that Gander Mountain Sports was going under or had already closed. Was also sad to hear that another northwest Ohio company closed all of its stores, no more Anderson's General Stores.
In 2017, CVG is okay and still busy especially now that Amazon's Prime Air is there. It's funny how people freak out over a travel slow down. This all happened during the recession.
AliveWithPassion Amazon Prime is cargo, and will do nothing to increase passenger numbers. This isn't just a slow down, it's a complete de-hubbing of an airport that was once one of the busiest in the country.
I used to go out of my way to fly Delta through CVG. I'd stop at Gold Star Chili in terminal B and get a couple cheese coneys. Anything to avoid the run through ATL "A-1 to E-17 and you have 15 minutes." But I wouldn't go out of my way to fly Comair with their "We'll take off if we feel like it." attitude. CRJ50's? No thanks.
While it is certainly a cargo airport, It still has plenty of passenger flights. Frontier, Southwest, Allegiant, Air Canada, Delta, United, all have daily flights from CVG. I'm not aware of the number of cargo vs passenger flights, etc .
Thank you federal government for going ahead with the terriable Delta Northwest merger. I knew it was always a bad idea there was nothing good about it didn't matter which way you looked at it.
It's not it was a huge surprise. With DTW sitting so close by with the larger international market & the larger Gateway, I don't know how those that managed CVG didn't see this coming. All of us that are accustomed to booking travel saw this coming long before this happened. Not to mention with the city's poor economic growth, it wasn't really a surprise.
No it wasn't I knew this would be bad from day one. The real question is why did the feds apporval this awful merger? Both Delta and Northwest were 2 big airlines as it was before this was just going to create an airline too big. It not only hurt the airline industry and it's consumers but the economies of Cincinati and Memphis.
If it wasn't for the merger Delta wouldn't be here today. The merger helped Delta get out of bankruptcy. Plus the airline industry has been getting a lot more competitive especially with the United-Continental and American-US Airways merger
Give homeless people a job and live there.... sweeping the runway .... shoveling snow... perfect job...work program... Keep people engaged, fed and housed.
Hey WCPO, a follow up to this story 9 years later would be nice. I know they closed/demolished a terminal and rebuilt another. I also remember a few years ago the Delta death grip was released and some smaller regional airlines were allowed to move in. CVG will never see anything close to the glory days of the 80s and 90s, but I think it has come a long way from being a depressing sight.
This also happened to Memphis (NWA Op), Milwaukee (NWA Op), Pittsburgh (USA Hub) and St. Louis (TWA/AA Hub). A result of too many mergers and acquisitions. This is the unfortunate side effect of unchecked crony capitalism and airline deregulation doing the exact opposite of what it was supposed to do. Offer more consumer choice and service. Look how many major legacy carriers this country has lost due to the aforementioned processes, that which in my opinion rapidly accelerated the downfall of mainline service between hub and non-hub city pairs from major airlines now flown by the so called "regional jet" or outright eliminated like CVG. Originally 30-40 seaters 15-20 years ago have now grown to near 100 seat small-big planes (large RJs) as opposed to the large-small planes (shrunken large A/C) of yesteryear. Now the airlines are in this awkward in between of an "RJ" and "mainline". Also mainline airplanes are a 1/3 smaller than their equivalents from a generation ago, and in some cases half smaller covered by 2-3x the flights - but between hubs only. Large airplanes would fly between the hubs and int'l non-stops, freeing up hundreds of 90-150 seat airplanes for each major carrier to fly to minor cities and central regional airports with mainline jet service. Decades ago you'd see nothing but mainline jet service to small US cities and large towns/central regionals where nothing but RJs fly today if at all. The props have been largely retired but the decline of large widebody planes and mainline jet service to just about every sizable US airport in the country before and in the succeeding 20-25 or so years after deregulation in 1978 has been sad to see. 9/11 was also a huge nail in the coffin for mainline jet service to smaller cities and many more mergers and bankruptcies ensued. M&As have also affected and hurt the competition in the aircraft maker market as well and there is less competition and incentive to change the status quo. Eliminating more comfortable widebody airplanes, and continue stretching single aisle airplanes and RJs into oblivion. Sure some ULCCs and LCCs have sprung up as a result of the cannibalizations of M&As and bankruptcies, but those just somewhat filled a void left by something that was there previously. It still pales in comparison to the amount of direct flights many of these mid-size cities used to have.
Indianapolis airport never had this problem because we were never major hub for any airline. Few people ever have a connecting flight there because of that. It's a tiny airport only serving local Indiana folks and probably always will be. CVG has five times the gates than Indianapolis ever did and look what happened. If you pin your hopes on being a hub type airport ( counting on one single airline to stay ) and staying that way, look what happens. CVG was overblown from the start but at least they had a few good years.
My main airport is CVG, I always fly out of it (Look at my trip reports for verification) Today, my home airport of CVG still hasn't changed. The CVG-CDG flight is still it's only transatlantic one, all of its expansion is going to cargo flights and not commercial ones. I've even started to avoid the CDG flight because Paris is such a pain to connect through, and I normally resort to flying to other hubs (ATL, JFK, DTW). I really hope that this can all turn around soon, it's been years that I've been hoping for it to return to its previous state. I blame this decline to Delta's merge with Northwest, as they screwed everything up with that.
Even at the time of this video, nobody knew A380 was going to flop, there would be a huge move to fuel efficient aircraft, and airlines are moving more to the point-to-point model. Going through a hub is often a deal-breaker for me. And sorry, I'm never going to visit Cincinnati unless forced to by work.
02Nawal A lot better. Delta still has this airport as a hub and is the fastest growing cargo airport in America. It is the primary hub for Amazon Prime Air and Wow Air will start services to Iceland next year. Lastly, it is the largest hub for the cargo company DHL.
This also happened to Memphis airport, my dad used to fly direct to Amsterdam all the time for work on klm’s daily flights and traveling through the airport you can’t even imagine having thousands of people through the airport a day
...similar to what happened to MKE after Delta acquired Northwest. The E concourse, that first served North Central and later Northwest (formerly the B Concourse which was completed in the early 1970s) was not only closed after the merger, but is in the process of being demolished. I remember the original master plan was for a five concourse symmetric terminal (including an international arrival area) with capability of handling widebody aircraft (sadly I can find no illustration online of what the terminal would have looked like, all I can say, it was pretty impressive). Like CVG for Delta, MKE was a secondary hub for Northwest which was served by DC-10s, 757s and even 747s. However since the consolidation MKE is also now primarily served by RJs as well, with the only larger passenger aircraft being 737s, and an occasional MD-82, A320, A321 or 757. The only widebody aircraft that regularly appear there today are bulk package freighters for DHL. FedEx, and UPS and occasionally an AN-124 for handling large machine parts and prefab constructions to overseas customers.
Quite a few 737’s come through MKE with SW only using them and AA removing the Embraer planes with them for Dallas. UA flies a 757 to Ord from MKE. Kind of a big airplane for a extremely short flight. Still a good spoke airport m, though.
@@TheSjuris .I wonder if that United flight continues on to another destination. I remember Northwest in the old days using 707s and 720s on the route but it was usually a continuation of flights to/from Florida. I also thought it odd that Northwest would fly DC-10s between on 45 min flights between just MSP and MKE. I do remember flying on 747s between MKE and JFK as well as DC-8s (both standard and stretch) on United to DEN and SFO/LAX as well as DC-10s. Back in the 50s and early 60s, DC-7s and Boeing Stratocruisers were a common sight on Northwest as were as Connies for Capitol. I really miss Midwest which had a their their primary hub operation there. during the 70s through the 90s, Northwest had a mini hub at MKE as well. Yeah today it's pretty sad when a 737 (which originally were designed as a small town, short/medium haul aircraft) is considered a "big" jet now. So what is American changing to on the Dallas flights, A320s/321s (as the Max is still grounded, and will be into next year)?
kyotokid4 737-800s for AA pretty much replaced all of their md-90s with them. Delta still has a mini-hub at MKE. Not sure where the 757 ends up for United. Somebody is restarting Midwest again.
@@TheSjuris ...thought I saw on one plane spotter video, A321s for American. Yeah, the -800 is the current "long range" version of the old twinjet which Southwest is also using for their Hawai'i services. I thought Delta pared down service to just their four hubs: MSP, SLC, DTW, and ATL as well as a few other destinations served via their regional operation with RJs. Hopefully with the addition of the A220 to their fleet they well will replace the RJs like American is doing on the Dallas route. I always considered RJ's to be little more than bizjets on steroids without the bizjet amenities (the Bombardier CRJ is actually based off the old Canadair Challenger). LIke CVG the only "big jets" that land there are bulk package freighters for DHL (767F), UPS (DC-10F/MD11F), and FedEx DC-10F, A300F) the KC-135s for the Air Guard Refuelling Wing, and like I mentioned above an occasional AN-124. The A380 and A350 prototypes have made a couple appearances but only for testing or staging for the Oshkosh EAA airshow. About the only other times passenger widebodies show up is if weather or other factors temporarily shut O'Hare down. One possible bright spot on the horizon is what is being done with the unused Concourse E (formerly concourse B) as they are turning it into an international arrivals terminal with hopes of attracting overseas service. Still disappointed in the loss of Midwest which I preferred over the tenant which replaced them, Southwest. A total 180° turnabout with regard to comfort, boarding (never liked SWA's "cattle call" approach) and inflight service. Alaska (my preferred carrier) does have one flight a day from Seattle (which I think is an A320 now) and used to have one out of PDX where I live, but I believe that was cancelled after this past summer.
more of a connection point nowadays rather than origin international departure point.. or any other origin point of travel for that matter. but I do remember the days not too long ago KMEM used to be one of the busiest with a variety of carriers and flights both international and domestic. ..seems to be a slow death for the hub :(
It’s nice that CVG is bustling again 8 years later. And delta still has a bustling concourse. And that the empty concourses now have Allegiant Airlines, Frontier Airlines, and air canada.
Interesting algorithm recommendation. True story - I spent weeks designing traffic for this airport in X-Plane 11. I thought this video got recommended because of that but looking at the other comments I guess not.
LightningZap please google this and it will confirm Virgin only own 51% and Delta now own 49% of Virgin COPIED AND PASTED FROM GOOGLE.... The airline along with Virgin Holidays is controlled by a holding company, Virgin Atlantic Limited, which is 51% owned by the Virgin Group and 49% by Delta Air Lines. It is administratively separate from other Virgin-branded airlines.
Keyboard Krazy that's not a merger. And the fact that delta owns most of it is common knowledge. Delta and Virgin Atlantic have different operating certificates and 51% is owned by virgin group which means that virgin group has control over the company. If they merged it would be much more assimilation. Right now delta is just a major investor and partner of virgin Atlantic. virgin group has a controlling stake in the company so delta does not own it.
My flight to Montreal had me switching planes there in early 2000's, the place was packed. It was on Delta $410 to American who wanted $1200 after advertising $397...that pissed me off.
It’s really sad too see stuff like this. Unfortunately I saw this too at Pittsburgh international airport. A lot of abandoned gates where US airways used too be a major hub.
In 2020, every online package I get goes through CVG. I am in Indiana. It would seem that the airport replaced people with cargo and are doing very well now.
😩" THIS very dated CVG report is still ' eerie ' , 12 years later. Why? Because such downsizing continues to happen in the 21st century. If anything should be learned from such unexpected occurrences, it should be that air travel rates and the private sector can be fickle. Therefore, all communities should weigh the risk of heavily investing significant public resources into transportation facilities and infrastructure for private sector usage without having a secondary adaptive reuse plan in the event that market conditions eliminate original intended usage. Delta Airlines withdrew all flights from my hometown's far smaller Peoria International Airport, without a clear public explanation, back in early 2020. Although COVID-19 travel reductions played somewhat of a factor, the flight termination decision was questionable because Delta moved local flights to a competitive regional airport just 40 miles away. Fortunately, not relying upon any sole carrier for passenger airline flights, our local metropolitan airport was served by more than one airline and continues thriving against the odds. "
Proctor and Gamble was the sole corporate customer in Cincinnati. It's why they still have a flight to Paris. The rest of the flights were killed off by oil spikes. You can't fly connecting passengers through an RJ hub with $100 oil.
American's lie. What's new with that? You think they didn't know what was going to occur in 2-3 years? Both the corporate CxO's knew and the politicians and the accounts and the Chamber knew. They are not idiots. They got paid their hush monies and that is all that mattered to them. They knew, believe me maneuvers at that level are plotted, studies, and analyzed to death.
CVG only became a hub, because O'Hare got so congested in the 80s and 90s. Delta built a 10-gate concourse at ORD about the same time United built it's new terminal and American added gates in its concourses. Delta went from flying to a number of southern destinations to ATL, CVG, SLC, and JFK, while the CVG hub was created. What airlines have learned the hard way is that a hub airport has to generate a fair amount of O&D traffic. That's why Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, and New York have hubs, and Cinci, St. Louis, Dayton, Memphis, Nashville, Raleigh-Durham, and Pittsburgh have lost their hubs.
Delta had to operate out of Concourse B in ORD which looks like a dungeon out of the dark age compared with 1+3. Thank God Ohare is finally fixing that. Took them a long time.
@@TheSjuris In the 1990s, Delta sublet half of the gates on Concourse L to American. The remaining 5 gates were enough for flying to Atlanta, CVG, New York, and SLC. Delta had tried flying to its hub at DFW, but American saturated the route, between it's two largest hubs at the time, so that Delta could not make money. Delta moved to Concourse E at ORD, after the merger with Northwest. NW's gates on E couldn't fit wide bodies like the gates on L. (Delta flew L-1011s and 767s to ATL, 767s to CVG, and 757s to SLC.) But there were more narrowbody gates on E. So, the combined carrier set up on E.
Kent Frederick Delta is switching to Terminal 5 at ORD after Terminal 2 is redone. International departures and arrivals will land and use whatever gates their codeshare partner uses. AA used to use Terminal 1 until UAL took it over.
@@TheSjuris Terminal 1, until the late 1980s, was ORD's international terminal. At that time, both AA and UA had virtually no international service, other than Mexico. TWA had the most flights out of 1. That terminal, which had been the oldest, was torn down and UA's terminal was built. While UA was building Terminal 1, AA was adding more gate space in Terminal 3. First it took Republic's space on H after the merger with NW. Then it took Delta's space with the opening of L. As TWA shifted flights to St. Louis, AA started taking space on G. AA took full control of G when TWA moved to E, and Air Canada moved to Terminal 1 with the creation of Star.
Kent Frederick UAL until they built Terninal 1 used the dungeon at 2. AA didn’t really revamp 3 until they realized how crappy the revamped 1 made it look. UAL still has a presence at 2.
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youtube recommend in 2019
Yup lol
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Yuo
same wtf?!
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Why did I get recommended this 9 years after it was posted?
Why is this getting so much attention?
me as well lol
Me as well
Same guys
Same lol
Me too (while I remember watching it a few years ago)
Why is everyone here just now even though this is from 10 years ago
Why not?
Because its youtube
Because this same shit is currently happening with American airlines
cause it popped up in recommend lol
It’s a government plot to tell us about how they are going to cut service off of more rural airports in the future.
As mentioned at the end of the report, Delta merged with Northwest and suddenly had too many hubs too close together. (Minneapolis, Detroit, Cincinnati) They had to get rid of one, and CVG was the one.
Yea, but how do you explain Portland , Oregon ? Still a gateway to Asia and Europe from a city of only 600,00 with Seattle in the same area.
I've been stuck working for Delta for the last 10 yrs, 30 yrs with the airlines.....foolish to try figuring them out
Northwest where annexed into Delta
@@rampking1 Isn't Delta trying to make Seatac its main PNW hub?
@@andyjay729 Not a chance of that happening, Alaska Airlines is more than twice the size of Delta at Seatac, and just over 50% of all passengers fly on Alaska. Delta may call Seatac a hub, but it's not. They have been pushing to almost triple the number of gates they have (from 11 to 30), but the airport doesn't have the capacity Delta wants, especially for international flights. The Customs facility is not equipped to deal with that much international traffic, and they don't want to replicate the "dePort-land-ia" fiasco that their neighbor to the south experienced.
Portland used to be a huge international gateway for Delta, but when the Asian economy imploded in the late 1990s, Delta shut down all of the routes through PDX, and now most of the international routes they operate were the ones that they inherited when they absorbed Northwest. They are slowly expanding there, but it's still a shadow of its former self.
@@UserHorologium Too bad Seatac's customs facility is undersized, because it seems like a much bigger airport than PDX (though I've only been to PDX on one trip this decade; I've flown in and out of Seatac much more, so correct me if I'm wrong). If Delta had brains they'd try to make it their second West Coast hub and take the pressure off LAX. Would you say Seatac has enough gates to be a hub for any major international carrier?
The Delta-Northwest merger was the Big Nail in the Coffin for CVG. Why continue with a hub at CVG when you have two larger, stronger Hubs in DTW and MSP so close by.
johnsax1445 they still got some Europe flights, but definitely shrunk, I'm actually in MSP waiting for a connection 😂😂
Exactly
The merger between NW and DL never should have been allowed. It was a very anti-competitive merger and damaging to Cincinnati and Memphis.
@@jonesyokc I agree they should not have merged but for different reasons. NW and DL were two totally different cultures. DL had a WAY better reputation and service than NW. Merging with them just dragged DL down in overall quality of everything. I miss the old Delta.
I live right next to MSP, and I flight out of it quite often.
Why is this in my recommended
Get this 9 Years old!!
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CINCINNATI STILL SUCKS.
I think thanos has something to do with this
its only logical
Yeahhhh
NorCal Aviation 200th like
I neither live in Cincinnati/N Kentucky nor is it still 2010. Why was this top of my recommended?
I live and grew up about 5 miles from this airport, and I'm asking the same question. CVG has rebounded since btw, mostly through budget airlines and DHL. Delta is still here but it's not as important as it once was. Only a handful of flights directly leave the country when there used to be a lot more international flights at CVG. It's strange why RUclips is recommending this to people, especially people who don't live in Greater Cincinnati.
Andy Pritchard I live in France and have never been to Ohio or Kentucky. RUclips is weird.
American is pulling out now
Update: It looks like the decline has reversed somewhat. Delta downsizing its hub operations there actually brought back local travelers, as they said almost a decade ago, and Frontier has made it a "focus city". CVG is also one of America's busiest cargo airports. Terminals 1 and 2 have been demolished, though. TLDR: CVG may not retain its former ambitious glory, but it's carved out an important regional niche for itself.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati/Northern_Kentucky_International_Airport#Recent_history
lol obvious lies, who is paying you to say this shit dude?
No Name you’re an idiot everything he said is true.
andyjay729 one word Amazon.
andyjay729 hahaha who never taught you that you NEVER trust Wikipedia
Donovan Wikipedia isn’t needed. You can see it for yourself. You can go on flight aware or flight radar to see the crazy amounts of cargo planes that are scheduled to land right now.
I guess youtube recommendations have brought us all back together again
who saw this video and didn't notice the date
Knew something was up when they said "until 2015".
andyjay729
Meto!
I knew once I saw that old Delta livery in the beginning
I knew something was off with the video quality, then took a look at the date
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I thought it was a coppy
Looking a Google maps One of the empty terminal was torn down
And it still hasn't been completed unless it's an old map.
well Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 were torn down, while the Comair concourse is in the process of being demolished
Excuse me RUclips? Why am I being recommended this now on December 20th 2019?
Anakin Skywalker same here 😂😂
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CINCINNATI STILL SUCKS.
10 years later this airport is doing fine. Amazon prime is now using this airport as a facility
I worked as a CVG based Airline Flight Attendant for Comair. Myself and many other Comair Flight Attendants were "displaced" from CVG to JFK, in early 2007. I left Comair in early February, 2007. In April, 2007, I was invited to attend the Initial Flight Attendant with Chautauqua Airlines. At that point, we flew many Delta Connection flights out of CVG. However, in early 2009, our base in CVG closed. Yes, Concourse C, became a ghost town. I enjoyed working with Comair. But it was so sad to see CVG lose hundreds of flights, and many CVG employees laid off.
It is an unregulated and brutal industry,so the bigger picture must be included. Long term this airport could make it if low cost and others come soon.
An old video with old news. American did the same thing to St. Louis when they bought TWA in the early 2000’s.
357Shakey yeah this was posted 10 years ago dumbass
Yeah they did. However St. Louis would've been a great hub. Way less air traffic and much better waether than the main hub in Chicago! I love St. Louis
@@shredder_mang3211 Yes - that's why I said old video. But only a double dumbass would have missed that. Double dumbass!
@@db60615 I flew into St. Louis in the 90's probably a hundred times. Used to love that place. Went to college about 90 miles from there. American ruined the St. Louis hub.
I hated flying through St. Louis
From Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG)
"CVG... • is the lowest fare airport in the region as ranked by the U.S. Department of Transportation. • has nonstop service to 39 of the top 40 U.S. markets. • has 180 peak-day flights to 61 nonstop airport destinations (July 2018). • has more nonstop flights than any other airport in the Tri-State (Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana) region. • is the only airport in Ohio and Kentucky with nonstop transoceanic service, serving Paris, France nonstop on a year-round operation. • is the 8th largest cargo airport in North America. • is home to DHL's North American hub and Amazon's first global air hub supporting a fleet of 100+ Prime Air planes. • is recognized globally as a leading U.S. airport by SkyTrax World Airport Awards."
Eight years later, it appears CVG has survived and prospered.
How about service to Africa ?. Lagos- Cincinnati by Arik Air a Nigerian Airline. How about service to South America ? Caracas - Cincinnati via Santa Barbara Airlines. Brasilia - Cincinnati via Gol Airlines.
is youtube just trying to distract us from how bad youtube rewind 2019 was?
How did this show up in my recommendations?
B E C A U S E --
CINCINNATI STILL SUCKS.
Delta abandoning CVG as a hub was one of the best things to happen for consumers. Low cost carriers now can fly out of CVG without fear of Delta undercutting them out of business.
STL went through the same issue, when AA bought out TWA, STL was still going to be used as a hub with a new 9000 foot runway added to accommodate the higher traffic rate. Two tears after AA committed to STL, they pulled flights and decreased their ops there, lots of money spent on them just to have them pull up stakes and leave a shell of what STL used to see.
Yes I remember when that happened. I used to fly home and I noticed that in STL the last time I was there
Yeah that was kinda silly in my opinion. STL was perfect! Way less air traffic, and not nearly as many weather delays as Chicago. I guess it was just too close for comfort.
Delta always wanted Detroit as a hub I knew this was going to happen after they took over northwest
I used to work there when they had the abanded part i work there there for 6 years they tore the abanded part down now they just maded out of a big land space for the the planes to land and take off and this airport have a lot of paranormal activity to built on top of a old cemetery
Nice to see massive changes have happened since this. Now rated the 26th best airport in the world. Thank god delta allow competition.
Terribly sad, similar to what the folks in PIT have had to deal with. It hurts twice as the costs have to be divided up among the remaining airlines and flights making it too expensive for new entrants. As I recall the landing fees and rents at PIT are among the most expensive in the US. The mess at CVG has kept SLC from touching their no-amenity, museum to 1970s aviation.
According to Wikipedia it is the fastest growing cargo airport in North America and WOW Air will offer flights to Reykjavik in the future.
this is from 2010!
Wow won’t anymore
Wow is gone by now.
canuckleaf wow is making a return!
Logan Donnelly just like FedEx made Memphis a major freight airport.
“This place use to be home to 10,000 people, now it is a ghost time.”
Ohio really needs to have flights between CVG, DAY, CMH, and CLE. It makes no sense to fly all the way to IAH or ATL just to fly to another city within the state. Also, the city needs to work with the airport to facilitate more interest for international carriers.
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Nobody:
99% of everyone else in the comments: “why is this just now being recommended 10 years later?”
Just found this video, JEEZZZE, relocated to the EU for work and departed with Delta in 06 from CVG. Sad to see that Delta has basically pulled out! This place was so darn busy the many times I went transatlantic before moving, it reminds me of all the dead malls across the country. So busy with work that it was about a week ago I learned that Gander Mountain Sports was going under or had already closed. Was also sad to hear that another northwest Ohio company closed all of its stores, no more Anderson's General Stores.
Subgunman it’s fine now!
2020 anyone?
They could have a flight school there. That could be a good use of the runways at CVG.
Haha good to see I'm not the only person watching this video in 2017!
Leanne Strong You can always have a private charter flights to operate there
Lincoln Riddle KLUK is right by it and is a flight school
delta could sublet C, the airlines that use C would pay a split cost, half would go to the airport the other half to Delta
Welcome to another episode of why is this on my recommended.
Maybe make it so people actually want to travel to Cincishatty
Same as Memphis
In 2017, CVG is okay and still busy especially now that Amazon's Prime Air is there. It's funny how people freak out over a travel slow down. This all happened during the recession.
AliveWithPassion Amazon Prime is cargo, and will do nothing to increase passenger numbers. This isn't just a slow down, it's a complete de-hubbing of an airport that was once one of the busiest in the country.
Justin Hopkins Have You Been recently? It’s perfectly back to normal
it was not a recession it was just suddenly the money was worth more (heavy deflation)
punker4Real airplane travel went away with the dot com crash of 2000. 9/11 didn’t help it anymore.
hate the comments that say why was this recommended in 2019 even though it was posted in 2010
idk why but i don't watch planes and i got recommended this
Depressing, but that’s business.
Adjust, or die.
The fortunes of the airport have change since 2010.
I used to go out of my way to fly Delta through CVG. I'd stop at Gold Star Chili in terminal B and get a couple cheese coneys. Anything to avoid the run through ATL "A-1 to E-17 and you have 15 minutes."
But I wouldn't go out of my way to fly Comair with their "We'll take off if we feel like it." attitude. CRJ50's? No thanks.
"CRJ50s"
Not sure why this was recommended now but ok lol
Stupid statistics: 80% used to be pass-through versus 50% “today”, how has total NUMBERS of passengers changed?
It's mainly a cargo airport now. One of the largest in the region.
While it is certainly a cargo airport, It still has plenty of passenger flights. Frontier, Southwest, Allegiant, Air Canada, Delta, United, all have daily flights from CVG. I'm not aware of the number of cargo vs passenger flights, etc .
Louisville is the largest cargo airport round there. UPS is based outta it.
Thank you federal government for going ahead with the terriable Delta Northwest merger. I knew it was always a bad idea there was nothing good about it didn't matter which way you looked at it.
It's not it was a huge surprise. With DTW sitting so close by with the larger international market & the larger Gateway, I don't know how those that managed CVG didn't see this coming. All of us that are accustomed to booking travel saw this coming long before this happened. Not to mention with the city's poor economic growth, it wasn't really a surprise.
No it wasn't I knew this would be bad from day one. The real question is why did the feds apporval this awful merger? Both Delta and Northwest were 2 big airlines as it was before this was just going to create an airline too big. It not only hurt the airline industry and it's consumers but the economies of Cincinati and Memphis.
If it wasn't for the merger Delta wouldn't be here today. The merger helped Delta get out of bankruptcy. Plus the airline industry has been getting a lot more competitive especially with the United-Continental and American-US Airways merger
FREE MARKET! CAPITALISM! LESS-GOVERNMENT CONTROL!
All the airline mergers have been bad for fliers. Unfortunately in 2017 America corporations do pretty much whatever they want.
I hope someone turned off the water connection....the "dripping faucet" is unnerving.
I wanted to tell an airplane joke but it might be way over your head
My five year old grandson loves this joke
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RUclips: Ghost town airport from 9 years ago...
Turn it into a homeless shelter
Yes, so that their piles of trash, crack pipes and heroin needles can make it out to the runway and get sucked into jet engines.
Give homeless people a job and live there.... sweeping the runway .... shoveling snow... perfect job...work program... Keep people engaged, fed and housed.
@@N75911_ you don't have to be homeless to own the crack pipe and needles. Check your trash can foo.
Update: Effective November 2019 Delta named CVG its 6th crew base for its Endeavor Air jets. This video is old and my message updates it.
Did CVG bought the search results and leading audiences gathering together in here?
Hey WCPO, a follow up to this story 9 years later would be nice. I know they closed/demolished a terminal and rebuilt another. I also remember a few years ago the Delta death grip was released and some smaller regional airlines were allowed to move in. CVG will never see anything close to the glory days of the 80s and 90s, but I think it has come a long way from being a depressing sight.
This also happened to Memphis (NWA Op), Milwaukee (NWA Op), Pittsburgh (USA Hub) and St. Louis (TWA/AA Hub). A result of too many mergers and acquisitions. This is the unfortunate side effect of unchecked crony capitalism and airline deregulation doing the exact opposite of what it was supposed to do. Offer more consumer choice and service. Look how many major legacy carriers this country has lost due to the aforementioned processes, that which in my opinion rapidly accelerated the downfall of mainline service between hub and non-hub city pairs from major airlines now flown by the so called "regional jet" or outright eliminated like CVG. Originally 30-40 seaters 15-20 years ago have now grown to near 100 seat small-big planes (large RJs) as opposed to the large-small planes (shrunken large A/C) of yesteryear. Now the airlines are in this awkward in between of an "RJ" and "mainline". Also mainline airplanes are a 1/3 smaller than their equivalents from a generation ago, and in some cases half smaller covered by 2-3x the flights - but between hubs only. Large airplanes would fly between the hubs and int'l non-stops, freeing up hundreds of 90-150 seat airplanes for each major carrier to fly to minor cities and central regional airports with mainline jet service. Decades ago you'd see nothing but mainline jet service to small US cities and large towns/central regionals where nothing but RJs fly today if at all. The props have been largely retired but the decline of large widebody planes and mainline jet service to just about every sizable US airport in the country before and in the succeeding 20-25 or so years after deregulation in 1978 has been sad to see. 9/11 was also a huge nail in the coffin for mainline jet service to smaller cities and many more mergers and bankruptcies ensued. M&As have also affected and hurt the competition in the aircraft maker market as well and there is less competition and incentive to change the status quo. Eliminating more comfortable widebody airplanes, and continue stretching single aisle airplanes and RJs into oblivion. Sure some ULCCs and LCCs have sprung up as a result of the cannibalizations of M&As and bankruptcies, but those just somewhat filled a void left by something that was there previously. It still pales in comparison to the amount of direct flights many of these mid-size cities used to have.
Dude coming up with puns left and right
Indianapolis airport never had this problem because we were never major hub for any airline. Few people ever have a connecting flight there because of that. It's a tiny airport only serving local Indiana folks and probably always will be. CVG has five times the gates than Indianapolis ever did and look what happened. If you pin your hopes on being a hub type airport ( counting on one single airline to stay ) and staying that way, look what happens. CVG was overblown from the start but at least they had a few good years.
Well, budget airlines have taken over CVG
My main airport is CVG, I always fly out of it (Look at my trip reports for verification) Today, my home airport of CVG still hasn't changed. The CVG-CDG flight is still it's only transatlantic one, all of its expansion is going to cargo flights and not commercial ones. I've even started to avoid the CDG flight because Paris is such a pain to connect through, and I normally resort to flying to other hubs (ATL, JFK, DTW). I really hope that this can all turn around soon, it's been years that I've been hoping for it to return to its previous state. I blame this decline to Delta's merge with Northwest, as they screwed everything up with that.
Even at the time of this video, nobody knew A380 was going to flop, there would be a huge move to fuel efficient aircraft, and airlines are moving more to the point-to-point model. Going through a hub is often a deal-breaker for me. And sorry, I'm never going to visit Cincinnati unless forced to by work.
Most mergers do not relate to happy employees. Airlines are ruthless & loyalty means nothing to these entities.
I live in Cincinnati and I it wasn’t that ba- hold up I saw another person who is not dead
Zak Cielica hi zak
Did the situation there get any better?
02Nawal A lot better. Delta still has this airport as a hub and is the fastest growing cargo airport in America. It is the primary hub for Amazon Prime Air and Wow Air will start services to Iceland next year. Lastly, it is the largest hub for the cargo company DHL.
Also to allegiant air is becoming pretty bif their
Frontier made a big expansion at CVG for leisure travelers while Delta increased its presence for business travelers.
Memphis suffered a similar fate after the Delta/NWA merger. Perhaps not as severe as Cincinnati.
Strange that this was recommended to everyone. Used to live in NKY. My family was affected first hand by businesses leaving the airport.
This also happened to Memphis airport, my dad used to fly direct to Amsterdam all the time for work on klm’s daily flights and traveling through the airport you can’t even imagine having thousands of people through the airport a day
So get more companies to fly there.... sheez
...similar to what happened to MKE after Delta acquired Northwest. The E concourse, that first served North Central and later Northwest (formerly the B Concourse which was completed in the early 1970s) was not only closed after the merger, but is in the process of being demolished. I remember the original master plan was for a five concourse symmetric terminal (including an international arrival area) with capability of handling widebody aircraft (sadly I can find no illustration online of what the terminal would have looked like, all I can say, it was pretty impressive).
Like CVG for Delta, MKE was a secondary hub for Northwest which was served by DC-10s, 757s and even 747s. However since the consolidation MKE is also now primarily served by RJs as well, with the only larger passenger aircraft being 737s, and an occasional MD-82, A320, A321 or 757. The only widebody aircraft that regularly appear there today are bulk package freighters for DHL. FedEx, and UPS and occasionally an AN-124 for handling large machine parts and prefab constructions to overseas customers.
Quite a few 737’s come through MKE with SW only using them and AA removing the Embraer planes with them for Dallas. UA flies a 757 to Ord from MKE. Kind of a big airplane for a extremely short flight. Still a good spoke airport m, though.
@@TheSjuris .I wonder if that United flight continues on to another destination.
I remember Northwest in the old days using 707s and 720s on the route but it was usually a continuation of flights to/from Florida. I also thought it odd that Northwest would fly DC-10s between on 45 min flights between just MSP and MKE. I do remember flying on 747s between MKE and JFK as well as DC-8s (both standard and stretch) on United to DEN and SFO/LAX as well as DC-10s. Back in the 50s and early 60s, DC-7s and Boeing Stratocruisers were a common sight on Northwest as were as Connies for Capitol.
I really miss Midwest which had a their their primary hub operation there. during the 70s through the 90s, Northwest had a mini hub at MKE as well.
Yeah today it's pretty sad when a 737 (which originally were designed as a small town, short/medium haul aircraft) is considered a "big" jet now. So what is American changing to on the Dallas flights, A320s/321s (as the Max is still grounded, and will be into next year)?
kyotokid4 737-800s for AA pretty much replaced all of their md-90s with them. Delta still has a mini-hub at MKE. Not sure where the 757 ends up for United. Somebody is restarting Midwest again.
@@TheSjuris ...thought I saw on one plane spotter video, A321s for American. Yeah, the -800 is the current "long range" version of the old twinjet which Southwest is also using for their Hawai'i services. I thought Delta pared down service to just their four hubs: MSP, SLC, DTW, and ATL as well as a few other destinations served via their regional operation with RJs. Hopefully with the addition of the A220 to their fleet they well will replace the RJs like American is doing on the Dallas route. I always considered RJ's to be little more than bizjets on steroids without the bizjet amenities (the Bombardier CRJ is actually based off the old Canadair Challenger).
LIke CVG the only "big jets" that land there are bulk package freighters for DHL (767F), UPS (DC-10F/MD11F), and FedEx DC-10F, A300F) the KC-135s for the Air Guard Refuelling Wing, and like I mentioned above an occasional AN-124. The A380 and A350 prototypes have made a couple appearances but only for testing or staging for the Oshkosh EAA airshow. About the only other times passenger widebodies show up is if weather or other factors temporarily shut O'Hare down.
One possible bright spot on the horizon is what is being done with the unused Concourse E (formerly concourse B) as they are turning it into an international arrivals terminal with hopes of attracting overseas service. Still disappointed in the loss of Midwest which I preferred over the tenant which replaced them, Southwest. A total 180° turnabout with regard to comfort, boarding (never liked SWA's "cattle call" approach) and inflight service. Alaska (my preferred carrier) does have one flight a day from Seattle (which I think is an A320 now) and used to have one out of PDX where I live, but I believe that was cancelled after this past summer.
kyotokid Delta has 321s out of MKE. Midwest was good, I hate SWA.
My home airport, I go there many times and isn’t to bad but CVG has added airlines!
Im from Cincy...why am i getting this in my recommends circa 2020?
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CINCINNATI STILL SUCKS.
nobody :
youtube ..i love this clip from 10 years ago here u go
Kills me how hostile they were towards delta for making a business decision that made sense for them and their customers lol.
My grandkid just got a toy sloth that says "hey....what's up", it just met my hammer
Somebody got fired
Why am I watching this 10 years later
Maybe because you clicked on this video or you got sent here via youtube autoplay.
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Why Did this get recommended?
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Memphis International Airport is the same way. Literally only FedEx cargo flights keep it afloat at this point
Sol Invictus well not many people want to go to Memphis
more of a connection point nowadays rather than origin international departure point.. or any other origin point of travel for that matter. but I do remember the days not too long ago KMEM used to be one of the busiest with a variety of carriers and flights both international and domestic. ..seems to be a slow death for the hub :(
Andres Reyes, Guess I'm one the few, want try the BBQ
Sol Invictus yeah
Sol Invictus Memphis is being grown by southwest
It’s nice that CVG is bustling again 8 years later. And delta still has a bustling concourse. And that the empty concourses now have Allegiant Airlines, Frontier Airlines, and air canada.
Rose Kahn that’s the spirit we need!
Very nice to hear. From Charlotte and hope to visit Cincinnati soon.
This is a great piece.
The way the reporter so venomously says “Delta” over & over.
Calm down queen
why in my recommendations
RUclips you better fix this
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Interesting algorithm recommendation. True story - I spent weeks designing traffic for this airport in X-Plane 11. I thought this video got recommended because of that but looking at the other comments I guess not.
OMG I used to fly Delta from CVG what happened ??? This is so sad for people who had jobs here. Delta is now merged with our UK Virgin Atlantic???
Keyboard Krazy no they haven't merged with virgin Atlantic
LightningZap please google this and it will confirm Virgin only own 51% and Delta now own 49% of Virgin
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The airline along with Virgin Holidays is controlled by a holding company, Virgin Atlantic Limited, which is 51% owned by the Virgin Group and 49% by Delta Air Lines. It is administratively separate from other Virgin-branded airlines.
Keyboard Krazy that's not a merger. And the fact that delta owns most of it is common knowledge. Delta and Virgin Atlantic have different operating certificates and 51% is owned by virgin group which means that virgin group has control over the company. If they merged it would be much more assimilation. Right now delta is just a major investor and partner of virgin Atlantic. virgin group has a controlling stake in the company so delta does not own it.
My flight to Montreal had me switching planes there in early 2000's, the place was packed.
It was on Delta $410 to American who wanted $1200 after advertising $397...that pissed me off.
They have a joint venture and code share agreement.
American did the same to Saint Louis. I remember when STL was a major hub, but now it's nothing more than a spoke.
Okay, this is from 9 years ago. Has anything changed since?
The concourse C has been torn down, and terminal 1 & 2 have been torn down. It appears they moved all flights to terminal 3 and concourses b & c.
Cincinnati is a big cargo airport now. DHL and Amazon have a global hub there
I'd say the airlines owe to payback the taxpayers.
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It’s really sad too see stuff like this. Unfortunately I saw this too at Pittsburgh international airport. A lot of abandoned gates where US airways used too be a major hub.
Literally was just telling someone today about this lol
In 2020, every online package I get goes through CVG. I am in Indiana. It would seem that the airport replaced people with cargo and are doing very well now.
They’re not a hub if they’re not getting flights like they used to
😩" THIS very dated CVG report is still ' eerie ' , 12 years later. Why? Because such downsizing continues to happen in the 21st century. If anything should be learned from such unexpected occurrences, it should be that air travel rates and the private sector can be fickle. Therefore, all communities should weigh the risk of heavily investing significant public resources into transportation facilities and infrastructure for private sector usage without having a secondary adaptive reuse plan in the event that market conditions eliminate original intended usage.
Delta Airlines withdrew all flights from my hometown's far smaller Peoria International Airport, without a clear public explanation, back in early 2020. Although COVID-19 travel reductions played somewhat of a factor, the flight termination decision was questionable because Delta moved local flights to a competitive regional airport just 40 miles away. Fortunately, not relying upon any sole carrier for passenger airline flights, our local metropolitan airport was served by more than one airline and continues thriving against the odds. "
Endeavor opened up a crew base here a few months back which will have more Delta Connection flights
Proctor and Gamble was the sole corporate customer in Cincinnati. It's why they still have a flight to Paris. The rest of the flights were killed off by oil spikes. You can't fly connecting passengers through an RJ hub with $100 oil.
you can fly to paris directly from cvg?? noted
IT'S B E C A U S E --
CINCINNATI STILL SUCKS. P & G DOES TOO. 😂
What does CVG stand for, anyway. It sounds like a contraception prevention device that was banned by the FDA in the 70's.
Covington, the closest town to where the airport is.
They can at least give us an update. Is CVG any better off now?
My family used to always fly out of Cincinnati airport what’s delta airline when I was a young child wow
Cool intro with the planes disappearing. Eerie.
When Delta merged with Northwest, the had one hub to many. They opted for Detroit. Sad but true. CVG was a major connection point at one time.
Same thing American did to the city of St Louis after lying and said that it would remain a hub
American's lie. What's new with that? You think they didn't know what was going to occur in 2-3 years? Both the corporate CxO's knew and the politicians and the accounts and the Chamber knew. They are not idiots. They got paid their hush monies and that is all that mattered to them. They knew, believe me maneuvers at that level are plotted, studies, and analyzed to death.
DeNO504 No that's not the same thing! AA cut St.Louis because of 9/11!
I can agree with that statement very much! But you would have to agree that 9/11 played a big factor!
Delta did axed Memphis plus United axed Cleveland and AA successor USAir axed Pittsburgh
CVG only became a hub, because O'Hare got so congested in the 80s and 90s. Delta built a 10-gate concourse at ORD about the same time United built it's new terminal and American added gates in its concourses.
Delta went from flying to a number of southern destinations to ATL, CVG, SLC, and JFK, while the CVG hub was created.
What airlines have learned the hard way is that a hub airport has to generate a fair amount of O&D traffic. That's why Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, and New York have hubs, and Cinci, St. Louis, Dayton, Memphis, Nashville, Raleigh-Durham, and Pittsburgh have lost their hubs.
Delta had to operate out of Concourse B in ORD which looks like a dungeon out of the dark age compared with 1+3. Thank God Ohare is finally fixing that. Took them a long time.
@@TheSjuris In the 1990s, Delta sublet half of the gates on Concourse L to American. The remaining 5 gates were enough for flying to Atlanta, CVG, New York, and SLC. Delta had tried flying to its hub at DFW, but American saturated the route, between it's two largest hubs at the time, so that Delta could not make money.
Delta moved to Concourse E at ORD, after the merger with Northwest. NW's gates on E couldn't fit wide bodies like the gates on L. (Delta flew L-1011s and 767s to ATL, 767s to CVG, and 757s to SLC.) But there were more narrowbody gates on E. So, the combined carrier set up on E.
Kent Frederick Delta is switching to Terminal 5 at ORD after Terminal 2 is redone. International departures and arrivals will land and use whatever gates their codeshare partner uses. AA used to use Terminal 1 until UAL took it over.
@@TheSjuris Terminal 1, until the late 1980s, was ORD's international terminal. At that time, both AA and UA had virtually no international service, other than Mexico. TWA had the most flights out of 1. That terminal, which had been the oldest, was torn down and UA's terminal was built.
While UA was building Terminal 1, AA was adding more gate space in Terminal 3. First it took Republic's space on H after the merger with NW. Then it took Delta's space with the opening of L. As TWA shifted flights to St. Louis, AA started taking space on G. AA took full control of G when TWA moved to E, and Air Canada moved to Terminal 1 with the creation of Star.
Kent Frederick UAL until they built Terninal 1 used the dungeon at 2. AA didn’t really revamp 3 until they realized how crappy the revamped 1 made it look. UAL still has a presence at 2.