MANGO VS HUNGRYBOX
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- They say that Mang0 has made the best Super Smash Bros. Melee losers runs of all time, so much so that PGStats made a documentary video on the topic. Think it'll hold up to Clutchbox? Lets watch this and break it down to see Melee at its absolute finest!
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"you cant make a sick losers run if you arent in losers" -crunch
Crazy that Ken's numbers are still that good after all this time
Hi Ken
Why he's the king
It's just wild how much the game has changed since then. It really is a different era of Melee
turns out the best loser runs of all time are done by the best players of all time who knew
me
@@Flootyy ligma
@@hmmmmmmmmmm_ what's that
@@Flootyy ligma balls
I call losers pool the deadpool, not because it's full of dangerous people, but precisely because it's full of THE most dangerous people, so if you lose in winners, you're gonna IMMEDIETELY lose in losers, unless you're a God.
it's insane to me that hbox can remember his exact movements from a fight because it was so important to him...love ya hbox
This was like the, best clickbait I've ever seen. I'd watch Mango v Hbox, but watching this was more fun I can't even lie.
I stay getting clickbaited by hbox and I’m not even mad about it
@@ofischial8148 fr, I'm to the point he could title it something wholly unrelated and I'd not think twice.
@@ofischial8148 chia's fault
True
i love how the commentators scream for the end of each game
Evo 2016 grands. Is an insane set. Truly one of the best
Mang0, being the least consistent of the gods, had a lot more chances to have a losers run. Armada, being the most consistent, likely had the most winners runs.
While Hbox could make the grind back to top 3
2/3, I doubt he would want to. He is a very good commentator, excellent content creator, and still top 10 material. And while he isn’t as good as he was, many players have just gotten way better.
He’s basically going through the same situation Mang0 went through when he started getting big on Twitch. He can still make a resurgence just like Mang0 did.
The amount of dedication it would take to reach the mountain top again would probably take too much of a toll on his life. A lot of what he’s alluded to in the past is how much getting to the top already took from him
@@colonless7512 idk I think he’s good enough to win now he just doesn’t have the mental discipline or drive anymore.
Lol this aged poorly
and now we're back to irl tournaments and Hbox has placed 5th, 2nd, and 3rd
Hungrybox vs Armada Grand Finals Evo 2016 is definitely a contender for best set of all time, along with Mang0 vs Zain's set.
Man seeing you win your 2016 evo always gets me.
I started watching this at 7:59 PM, never paused once, and it just finished at 8:32 PM. My simulation is breaking.
Ads
@@JonnyfromElma skipped all of them, added maybe 30s
@@kitty9035 loading time and buffering for both the ads *and* vid should add the 2 minutes you're missing, especially since I doubt you started at 7:59 exactly.
The guy who threw the crab at HBox got a crab tattooed on him
Saw that lol
the ending to GTX is historic
The fact that you acknowledged that part where he said you were number 1, i ilked the video, that reaction was gold lmfao. You worked hard AF.
GTX 2017 was an absolute treat, so glad I got to be there and that it happened in my backyard.
These Melee Commentary Videos are great, they bring more life to the game.
Amazing vid i like it, more melee videos are always welcome
7:32 The devil’s greatest trick was convincing the world he did not exist
"Tell me something Box"
Mang0 may be my goat and I am definitely commit to being part of the Nation and the Plup Club, but Box has always had that grit. There is a reason why Waff and Phil call it "Goat Season" game 5 last stock with the Clutchbox on the sticks. Box and Armada always got way too much hate. Glad to see Box is still around even though a crab tried to ruin his career.
finding out hbox watches highroller feels like an anime crossover lmao
Jxmy?
@@nanashi2146 yea
@@DieselOverGas Cool
man I love HBox. regardless of win or lose, whenever he plays someone it makes the crowd sit on the edge of their seat because we never know what the hell is gonna happen
7:44, the internal emotional volcano of Hbox is undefined. 8:02
I still don't get why the smash community ever hated h-box
He played puff and a bunch of melee nutters only liked watching falco and fox because of their higher skill ceiling than puff, the harassment was real and people didn’t really care about hbox until he got a crab thrown at him because that went way over the line. Then some random documentary’s made about him and these events made people check him out, realize he’s cool and bam now he’s respected by most
@@A_cracker14 Thank EmpLemon for the Never ever video. What a game changer.
@@A_cracker14 well described
It didn't help that Hbox got hate from Mango, then from Leffen.
Mango through a really heated rivalery with a lot of trash talk and lack of sportmanship.
Leffen did a litteral campaign of hate against puff and hbox lol, culminated by the crab which stopped it.
Both Mango and Leffen had far bigger communities than Hbox back in the day, so Hbox was seen as the villain by a lot of people.
@@CK1000997 least he and Mango made up well.
Who would you rather face in Grand Finals.
Losers run Mango, or Winner's Side Armada?
Playing standing up is godlike. Wtf
It exudes alpha energy
Standing up while playing weirdly was optimal for finishing off his game 5 set vs SFAT once, SFAT felt compelled to copy Hbox and stood up, which led him to mess up his inputs due to not being used to playing while standing up.
@@harpot678 sorry I’m a melee noob and only know the 5 gods and then some who is SFAT
@@BernieTTV ruclips.net/video/F80VId7-pCQ/видео.html
@@BernieTTV sfats been a very good player for as long as hbox has, and is also the guy that stood up with hbox at a set at press start
Crunch did for HBox what Tafo couldn’t for Mango
You were the best, and have every right to be proud of your three years as Champ
Now I'm just curious what happened that put it to a halt. Was it Covid?
Streaming. Way more money, more fun to do, no stress.
@@M7md_n29er Then I am happy for Hungrybox
@@syruscoy1244 we are all happy for him. He might figure out a balance between streaming and melee, lets see.
Not just that, but also attention split between games like with mew2king with melee and brawl
@@M7md_n29er Streaming and also dedicating a lot of his time to other games, mainly Ultimate. I have no problem with it, it changed his life for the best.
Every Bronol fan seeing the documentary still isn't here.
YOU KNOW ABOUT JXMMY? He has a chart for EVERYTHING
This video is basically “my favorite loser.”
Wait I’m sorry what did I miss. What happened to prevent HBox from being world number 1 for a 4th time?
Online era
Covid. He had 2nd at Genesis, the first major and first at Smash Summit. Then tournaments stopped for a year. And seeing how his loss to Zain was an extremely close set its reasonable to assume he could have been number 1 for a 4th year.
Covid online era. Hbox did the smart thing and chose the streaming bag instead of going try hard for the four peat
Ah.... Yeah makes sense thx guys
@@paparoes4008 Jigglypuff already has HARD matchups vs the 2 most popular characters in melee, Fox and Marth.
Foxes and Marths got WAY better from grinding during covid
Gotta grind hbox
We all just got Coconut Malled
I hated how mang0 treated people for so many years. He’s better now, but that really soured watching top level melee for me for a while. I love watching and competing in ultimate but damn the ultimate community is so soft and sensitive
Are you calling yourself soft and sensitive?
am i missing something or does this comment seem twosided lol
Yeah, no malice.
This comment is really weird, man. Please elaborate?
Are you saying you now appreciate how Melee is now or are you saying that theres no golden middle for this?
Ultimates too soft and Melees too toxic or something?
You can't say you don't like his attitude and then say the community is soft without insinuating that you are soft lol frankly I believe it though.
Mango is essentially Goku
Yeah I can see that, but what DBZ character would Hbox be?
@@retrozaid1600 Vegeta, Hbox and Mang0 rivalry is the exact same as Goku and Vegeta
Hey Hbox, i know you wount probably get this. But did it ever happend any physical altercation or anything similar?
Mang0 is to Melee what MKLeo is to Ultimate
Supposedly the best but plays a mid tier so other players can match them?
@Hungrybox what type of pc do you have to play Melee Online? I would like to know because I’ve been wanting to get into competitive melee for quite a while.
Networking stability and ping are far more important than PC specs. If you aren't sure if your computer can run melee, download slippi.gg and grab a melee 1.02 iso and play around with the settings in dolphin. Even my budget laptop from 2007 can run melee over slippi
Thank you so much you really helped me out
and if you're graphics card is struggling look up crystal melee, it lightens alot of the graphical load.
Yes!! I'm horrible at any new game that comes out so im going to stay on the same game 10+ years, AFTER the actual good players allready left LMAO!!!
This teaches you how to massage numbers to create any narrative you want.... its called stats
We all simp for cap'n crunch
Greatest set of Melee is M2K revival or Leffen 'Set's I will Win evo.
Hey hungrybox is it okay with you if I use just a little 10sec clip from your live stream to put in one of my video ? Its just to make fun of how I play puff compared to you but didnt wanted to upset you or do something illegal xD
Thank you for anyone who can answer me :D
Hbox 2016 Evo run > Mango at Summit 11
Why does he say “should’ve been 4”? I haven’t been following competitive melee for a while now.
He says that literally because he was the best player from 2017-2019 before covid hit
Hbox knows jxmy? pog
Seeing smash summit 11 blows me away.
Hungrybox you should go live on RUclips on super Smash Bros ultimate
jimmy the homie
when does summit 13 happen? is it going to happen?
How the fuck there were 20k tournaments. There are 7300 days in 20 years (first tourney was in 2002) so that makes 2.87 tournaments A DAY. Also that’s a win from losers bracket a day. ?????????
My guess is maybe they include regionals and locals in that count. There could be like Dozens of locals in one weekend.
But idk man. That’s just my best guess
I really despise this trend of popular streamers taking well-produced, high-effort videos and re-uploading them with their face cam in the corner and making money from it.
Cody just usurped the title
I love turndownforwalt but he keeps making videos about certain topics that quickly become videos about hbox. This is the second mango video that is about hbox. But it goes to show how much hbox means to the community.
Tbh7 and evo 2015 are 2 turning points in hbox's character. Evo 2015 hbox had fully embraced being disliked and rolled with it. Then we get to the big house 7 and hbox wins. It's that moment where he turns to the crowd after winning a super major and people are just leaving and not cheering. I think that was the moment hbox thought "this sucks. I don't want to be the heel." I could be wrong though but visually that's what I have always seen.
To answer Walt's question about why hbox isn't as hype there are a few things but I think it's boils down to puff is not as cool as fox/Falco. Also leffen ruined hboxes reputation. We all bought into this idea that hbox is a bad person lead on by leffen. Only now are people starting to realize that was wrong, leffen is a scum bag, and puff with ledge grab limits can be kinda sick. Don't get me wrong I'm never going to cheer for hbox over mango but I'm starting to be happy seeing hbox is top 8. Also now hbox isn't in every top 8 so it's not the norm anymore
Another topic I like to rant about when it comes to hbox is sportsmanship. Watch the difference between hbox losing Evo 2015 and almost popping off for armada vs watching Armada lose Evo 2016 to hbox and pout on stage for a long long time. Hbox, at least in public, has the best sportsmanship in the game. Very few occasions do you see him upset on stage after losing. Half the time he is stoked for the winner. Not sure about off stage but that doesn't matter.
What's the other tdfw video that turns into Hbox?
Walt has to put the stats in context and making the video in a logical format. He isn't just fan boying over Hbox. He is explaining the stats well.
Just want to clarify that I do not write our videos on PGstats
@@turndownforwalt lmao I kinda find it funny you actually here
Smash Bros is not going to be in Evo 2022. Dammit Nintendo.
Nice
What does the swiss bracket ken thing mean?
swiss is a format type that is radically different from the typical format we use currently, rather than eliminating players in a tournament style format, each player plays a match in a pool to advance to the next smaller pool of victors/losers, again and again, winning brings you up one pool while losing lowers your pool. The people in the top pool/whatever the tournament organizer decides is called 'top cut', and then is placed in a single elimination bracket seeded by your Swiss ranking. Since Swiss provides you with an ample amount of leniency, the single elimination bracket is justified.
Ken my goat
Cool
hbox goat
ill take this clickbait all day
lol, h is watching just so he can remind himself and his audience he's cool. XD
NM
Imagine if these content creators spent their creativity, data analysis, design, and other skills toward a serious business. They would be so rich
Perhaps, but it's the passion that drives them it seems
Hi hbox
,?
pin this comment because mang0 is crazy.
"Why does H-Box's loser's runs feel different?" Lol they are trying to justify their bias haha
did you watch the video, he literally says that the video is not about statistical truths, its about understanding why players think mang0 is the losers god
@@rcon3209 Also the stats went into losers runs in majors made outside of top 8 and all time Mango holds half of those runs (4/8) which is another huge factor that plays into it.
Nah, theyre showing the psychology
Hbox>Mango
Alternative title: we twist some data to try to explain why we like mango and gloss over the fact we hate hbox.
Yes, they said at the end, it’s not because of the stats be because of the mark he made.
27:45
Oh man it's almost like you guys don't even pay attention to the videos and just need to blindly white knight for Hungrybox. Pretty embarrassing.
Cope
People overhype that Zain - Mang0 set at summit 11 way too much. The only reason why Mang0 was able to clutch it out was that Zain played like absolute dog shit especially in the FD games when he had so many opportunities to close out the game but choked. Not to mention 90% of the melee fanbase glorify Mang0 as if he's the messiah of melee so whenever he wins, it automatically becomes one of the greatest sets ever lmfao.
Its far from over hyped. Its arguably one of the greatest melee sets in history. I still think the Evo 2016 come back is more legendary but you gotta give props to the crazy plays mang0 had.
@@dereklewis4321 I'm not saying that Mang0 played bad but that Mang0 win was attributed to Zain playing bad more so than Mang0 playing good. I swear if Zain played like he did at LACS 4, he would've easily demolished Mang0 at Summit 11.
if you think about it, he kinda is the messiah of melee. Imagine if he didn't win EVO 2013 after the community campaigned and got in. Remember this is the tournament that M2K was told to stop playing boring (or something of the sort). Nintendo tried to pull the plug on Melee being at EVO 2013 before community backlash made them retract their actions. Melee probably would be dead or at least not nearly as lively as it is now if EVO 2013 wasn't hype, and Mang0 did that. The one chance to prove your game is worth a bunch of strangers' time, and he delivered.
@@jasmithyantro9680 Mango played out of his mind. It's not overhyped, it was peak melee.
The stakes were so high, and Mango's dashdance was so on point, Zain crumbled. That's what you seem to miss: Zain played poorly because of Mango's relentless offense.
It's not like the crowd overhypes it as the best set in melee history: all the top players that were there said it was the best set in history. All those people that are way more competent than we will ever be universally agreed.
@@MrFlejon Zain dealing with mang0's relentless offence is nothing new for him, and he crumbled because he dropped crucial FD punishes. Unless you're saying mang0's relentless offence shook him up so much that he dropped his FD punishes, I'm not sure you could say that statement is true. There could have been so many other aspects inside and outside of play that made Zain crumble, like how it was the first time the Summit studio had a chant reverberating the room they're playing in, the pressure that everyone was placing on Zain to win a 60-40 matchup (Zain once mentioned SFAT being the person he's the most scared to face in tournament), the largest prize pool in Melee history, the mental strain mang0's gameplay had on Zain, etc.
One last thing, if Zain won the final game, would those people say that it was the best set of all time? Or did the winner heavily contribute to that sentiment?
Melee is dead