Dean’s comments on making it as a pro now are so true...One common trait of ‘pro punters’ featured in these videos is that many started working for bookmakers on-course, learning the game, pitfalls,the maths etc..Few young recruits are coming through those ranks now..The learning curve is so steep with little room for failure that the opportunities are slim...
Dean was the master at getting on horses just before the price dropped through the floor in the old days.I gather from this interview he is now the gamekeeper and not the poacher and he seems to be saying that the big firms allow him to get a bet on to win a certain amount (£1k-£2k in my experience) and they can then shorten the price based on Deans bet.When the big firms shorten the price and the rumour mill hears Dean is betting Dean is able to ''arb'' out and take a no risk profit so its not really gambling.Dean also mentions that he speaks with the traders at 5 or 6 of the big firms so i'm also guessing he will be getting £500 a week as a retainer from each of these firms.Nice to start the week knowing that you don't need to back a winner.
I don't think that's correct. Dean isn't arb'ing out as you describe it. Why would he? He's a long term punter playing the odds, knowing that over time his advantage will pay off. Arbing out might seem like a risk free bet but he's also giving back some of his advantage to the bookmaker by doing so. Why do you think bookmakers brought in "cashing out" to begin with? Do punters a favour? No chance. Another point of contention is this suggestion of a retainer from the big firms. Not on your life. Why would they do that, there's no need. His "retainer" is getting to put a bet on at decent size and in return they learn what a winning punter likes. It's a relationship that works both ways, there's no need to sweeten the pot any extra. If Dean goes away they'll find another to replace him and trust me bookmakers have a long list of replacements eager to step up. Just pop a text message with a deposit bonus on a banned punters phone and off they go.
I knew this gentleman out racing when i was a tic-tac, his a nice guy, maybe to honest for some but a nice guy. I also now make a living punting & its become almost impossible to win because you cant get money on. They must bring in a minimum liability law like they did in Australia where each bookmaker must lay to lose £200. Ive been restricted to win £50, thats not have £50 on, thats to win £50. Ladbrokes, Skybet ,Betway is to win £5, example a horse is 4/1 im allowed £1,25 on. Its scandalous what goes on. Each bookmaker that offers a price on any subject should be made to lose £200. Im in the process of trying to highlight this but dont hold out much hope. Really enjoyed the video
He’s a great bloke, Met him at Ascot a few years ago and really enjoyed a conversation with him, about Dudley Roberts, his family, Golf, and out mutual dislike of the bookies. If he’s ever over in Wimbledon he would be most welcome to a game of golf at my Club. He’s as genuine as a days long👍
He is cursed with being clever and successful. Bound to upset some,human nature. I was perceived as being " harmless" when I was in the shadow of certain friends/acquaintances then as soon as I started to match them the phone stopped ringing....:)
Dean’s comments on making it as a pro now are so true...One common trait of ‘pro punters’ featured in these videos is that many started working for bookmakers on-course, learning the game, pitfalls,the maths etc..Few young recruits are coming through those ranks now..The learning curve is so steep with little room for failure that the opportunities are slim...
Great interview - plenty to pick up and learn from as there is with any number of the interviews in the series. Thanks both.
Talking about the fobts total honest total respect 100 percent
Too true, that was totally from the heart.
Dean was the master at getting on horses just before the price dropped through the floor in the old days.I gather from this interview he is now the gamekeeper and not the poacher and he seems to be saying that the big firms allow him to get a bet on to win a certain amount (£1k-£2k in my experience) and they can then shorten the price based on Deans bet.When the big firms shorten the price and the rumour mill hears Dean is betting Dean is able to ''arb'' out and take a no risk profit so its not really gambling.Dean also mentions that he speaks with the traders at 5 or 6 of the big firms so i'm also guessing he will be getting £500 a week as a retainer from each of these firms.Nice to start the week knowing that you don't need to back a winner.
I don't think that's correct. Dean isn't arb'ing out as you describe it. Why would he? He's a long term punter playing the odds, knowing that over time his advantage will pay off. Arbing out might seem like a risk free bet but he's also giving back some of his advantage to the bookmaker by doing so. Why do you think bookmakers brought in "cashing out" to begin with? Do punters a favour? No chance. Another point of contention is this suggestion of a retainer from the big firms. Not on your life. Why would they do that, there's no need. His "retainer" is getting to put a bet on at decent size and in return they learn what a winning punter likes. It's a relationship that works both ways, there's no need to sweeten the pot any extra. If Dean goes away they'll find another to replace him and trust me bookmakers have a long list of replacements eager to step up. Just pop a text message with a deposit bonus on a banned punters phone and off they go.
I knew this gentleman out racing when i was a tic-tac, his a nice guy, maybe to honest for some but a nice guy. I also now make a living punting & its become almost impossible to win because you cant get money on.
They must bring in a minimum liability law like they did in Australia where each bookmaker must lay to lose £200. Ive been restricted to win £50, thats not have £50 on, thats to win £50. Ladbrokes, Skybet ,Betway is to win £5, example a horse is 4/1 im allowed £1,25 on. Its scandalous what goes on. Each bookmaker that offers a price on any subject should be made to lose £200. Im in the process of trying to highlight this but dont hold out much hope. Really enjoyed the video
The Oliver story and FOBTs. 😢
well said regarding those stupid machines, they should be banned
Why would you go through life wanting to be someone else based others !
The government has recently reduced the maximum stake to £2 (from £100) on the FOBTs coming in 2020, took long enough though.
Bit of a cocky git. He doesn't seem to know anything about horses. He wouldn't last five minutes on his own
He's always been very well connected, it's not what you know...
I don't like the sounds of the bloke . Bit of a clever shit , but still backs what people tell him to back .
Many bookmakers have found out you come second if you take him on, he likes to give the layers the 'rubdown', it's all part of the fun.
Yes, Dean's clever. That's why he's so well connected.
Yes, Dean's clever. That's why he's so well connected.
He’s a great bloke,
Met him at Ascot a few years ago and really enjoyed a conversation with him, about Dudley Roberts, his family, Golf, and out mutual dislike of the bookies.
If he’s ever over in Wimbledon he would be most welcome to a game of golf at my Club.
He’s as genuine as a days long👍
He is cursed with being clever and successful.
Bound to upset some,human nature.
I was perceived as being " harmless" when I was in the shadow of certain friends/acquaintances then as soon as I started to match them the phone stopped ringing....:)