Double Dragon II: The Revenge (Arcade) - TAS In

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  • Опубликовано: 19 дек 2024

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  • @XenoGuru
    @XenoGuru Год назад +16

    Now THIS was a TAS I've been waiting for. And with no "slow down" in the animation to-boot?
    Great stuff!!

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +3

      Thank you! That means a lot!
      The odd thing is that I achieved the no “slow down” part on another normal run of the first Double Dragon using MAME.
      One of the features, among the many of course, was allowing the user to tweak CPU Speed of the board itself that the ROM was running on.
      The end result pretty much elevates virtually almost all the lag in the entire game!
      Fast forward to experimenting with
      MAME - RR (Outdated TAS Tool). This emulator offered no such features. At least not to my knowledge. Bare in mind it is a pretty bare bones ReRecord Tool and was an absolute nightmare (at least in my opinion) to do any kind of TAS on!
      Now we come to the latest version of BizHawk which has the MAME Core built right into it! I think it’s running version .254? Anyways, you can’t make tweaks to this MAME Core either! You can only adjust the actual Bios Settings of the ROM itself! That’s it! Guess what?! No lag!
      I’m not even sure how the TAS Archives views this at this point? I mean, BizHawk isn’t built that way. You can’t force it from the Users End.
      Sorry for the rant! I just finally got the opportunity to explain the backstory! 😎

    • @XenoGuru
      @XenoGuru Год назад +1

      ​@CinderGamingChannel All good, rant away.
      There was another youtuber who had started a TAS of this, but he never finished it. Now there is a finished version. Keep up the awesome work.
      Edit: Also, you may want to submit this to the TAS Speedrun channel. I'm sure the TAS community would love to see this.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +2

      @@XenoGuru,
      you might be referring to markfloyd3038? We messaged a few times about him running a TAS of DD2. I know he had started on Stage 1/2, but I'm not sure if they were finalized or not. I know you can Submit to the TAS.org, but how would I go about getting submitted just to the Channel? Any info is greatly appreciated and thank you for the positive feedback!

    • @XenoGuru
      @XenoGuru Год назад +1

      @CinderGamingChannel It should be @TasVideosChannel.
      I'm not sure how the submission process works to be honest. But if you ask in the comments of one of the videos on that channel, someone from the channel should get you in the right direction. The channel managers are pretty cool people.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +2

      @@XenoGuru,
      awesome sauce! Thank you!! ✌

  • @sektor2ooo914
    @sektor2ooo914 Год назад +11

    I always hated the pitfalls… cause it was me getting punched into the abyss! Great run!

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +2

      Yeah, but the temptation of putting someone in it was a great trap! 😂

  • @puppylove3781
    @puppylove3781 Год назад +2

    This guy is a professional! Well done.

  • @chengfu7063
    @chengfu7063 Год назад +8

    As tight as everything was back then you wouldn't even believe it's the same country now this is living proof that nothing beats the classics better era excellent today's America 🤮 compared to then keep up the legendary speedrun you can see the life brimming in the arcade alone it has more energy than anything today

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +3

      Yeah, reality is a little different these days. I miss the rivalry in the arcade rooms. It was simply to try and get better than the person on the other controls. Sure, you had those problem peeps from time to time, but nothing like the craziness of these online services. Back then it just felt better to show you could rub their face in the defeat of the match. Such Is Life I Guess.

  • @deddykurniawan5993
    @deddykurniawan5993 Год назад +6

    No other boss after he fight his shadow. In Nes, there is still high rank boss, and good ending.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +2

      And you know there are probably plenty of peeps out there that still don’t know that either! 😎

  • @PrimevalDemon
    @PrimevalDemon Год назад +1

    Good lord that opening is unintentionally hilarious

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      Right!
      I mean, they said the hell with it, we bought the ticket, we want to see the show! 😂

  • @retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106
    @retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106 Год назад +1

    O gotta day of all the years of played the arcade an beat it with countless of quarters this is insanely good on your part.

  • @alexreinos7703
    @alexreinos7703 Год назад +1

    AMAZING.
    THE TECHNIQUE

  • @krispyqwiff8161
    @krispyqwiff8161 Год назад +1

    Outstanding Play!!!🎉

  • @davidkwong3369
    @davidkwong3369 Год назад +3

    That looked flawless! I didn’t even notice one hit on you.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      Thank you! There could be possible Damage Boost to improve the time. This run was really more of a learning curve. I hope to improve the time on the next one. ✌️

  • @EasyGuitarNow
    @EasyGuitarNow 11 месяцев назад

    0 shot taken, big respect for you !! strong you are !

  • @CinderGamingChannel
    @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

    Thank you! ✌️

  • @hokutoshinken3747
    @hokutoshinken3747 Год назад +1

    complimenti cinder anche contro la tua stessa ombra forte quanto te o di piu' sei stato piu' bravo tu dall'inizio e dell'ombra complimenti ancora

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      E grazie per aver guardato! Apprezzo il feedback come sempre! ✌

  • @waynelarbalestier
    @waynelarbalestier Год назад +4

    One of best DD2 walk views I have seen. What a player . I thought I was handy beating DD1 with one credit years back but Hell I’m not this guy

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +2

      I appreciate the compliment. Tool-Assisted is my all time favorite, but I have many to go back to for normal speedruns.

    • @retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106
      @retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106 Год назад

      I know right. I was able to double dragon 1 back in the arcade days with just one quarter. But this here is on a whole nother level. Like he knows where the enemies gone move before they move.

    • @Walkeranz
      @Walkeranz Год назад

      @@retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106it’s a computer program playing. TAS=tool assisted speedrun. The controller movements have been programmed in. Nobody is playing

    • @retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106
      @retiredsnowbunnyhunterx5106 Год назад

      @@Walkeranz Oh ok. That AI ain't no joke then. Gotta be someone out there to be able beat it like this.

    • @salvadorlobatontanguma1189
      @salvadorlobatontanguma1189 8 месяцев назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel y yo creí que era un vago en este juego jajaja...me quito el sombrero ante este jugador...muy sorprendido...👍👍👍

  • @ERMANGEZER
    @ERMANGEZER Год назад

    izlediğim en iyi dd2 speedrun idi.. ben 91 yılında bu oyunu ilk çıktığı zamanlar zevkle oynuyordum atari salonlarında.. şimdi elinin altında herşey var teknolojiden sıkıldık :)

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      I appreciate the compliment! Yes! The Arcades were a top experience! Yeah, there is way too much technology and bored is definitely a great way to put it! ✌️

  • @ehkimraven
    @ehkimraven 2 месяца назад

    Este man si es un Auténtico pro

  • @samuelherriotiii2114
    @samuelherriotiii2114 6 месяцев назад

    This player is smart. 👌 👏 Fighting to survive on taking the enemy out quick and simple. Not cocky and arrogant like most players. Showing off with no results.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  6 месяцев назад +1

      How right you are. Showing off in this game can have you put on the ground extremely fast! 😂

  • @vidvismmajority7033
    @vidvismmajority7033 Год назад

    Awesome dude

  • @fuel4insanity6
    @fuel4insanity6 Год назад +3

    The Summary of the game....Marion gets killed....Jimmy Lee goes beserk... Reason....Dating is now harder in 2023...So now he has to take to Facebook dating to find his new squeeze and wants to take it out on some ppl.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      Thats definitely a point of view. Probably many more that share it, I’ll give ya that. ✌️

  • @Jaack35
    @Jaack35 Год назад

    Thank you!!

  • @w20h
    @w20h Год назад +2

    The only bad about arcade version is the sad ending. The nes version changed it a lot for happy ending.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      Can’t argue that point.
      At least the Original made it believable.
      Sad?! More like how did she live?! And not the tiniest hint of how she did! 😂

  • @sharptoothtrex4486
    @sharptoothtrex4486 Год назад +1

    Blonde Marian: Who killed my twin sister? I must find the murderer responsible for my twin sister's death!

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      (Billy/Jimmy share awkward stare)
      “Wait! What?!
      There’s another one?!
      No! Hell no!
      Do you know how long it took us to get here?!
      Everyone across town, not to mention countryside, has tried to beat us to death!! A Helicopter you say?! Nnnnoooo??!! On top of that, Willy went completely mental! Oh, I forgot the part where HE TRIED SHOOTING AT US! We are not even going to start about his Poltergeist buddy trying to get inside us! Yes, I just said that!
      Listen, I don’t know where you’ve been all this time, frankly I don’t give a damn, but take your ass back there! We are wwwaaayyy past over this! Duces!” 😂😂

    • @sharptoothtrex4486
      @sharptoothtrex4486 Год назад +1

      @@CinderGamingChannel Blonde Marian: Okay Willy, since you killed my twin sister, I find you guilty giving you the death penalty since I am a mixed martial arts crime buster.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      😂😂😂

  • @watts4200
    @watts4200 Год назад

    Well done 👌

  • @MrCrazyrob666
    @MrCrazyrob666 Год назад

    Love how they used Andre The Giant from WWF Superstars as level 2 boss

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      Let’s be straight here, when you seen the characters walk/size, it was one of those “hold up! wait a minute!” moments! 😂

    • @MrCrazyrob666
      @MrCrazyrob666 Год назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel it's him, 100%. Both games came out in the same year, from the same studio 😄

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      @@MrCrazyrob666
      Lmao! That is so dirty, but yet so smart in the same breath! He does look good though!

  • @reydavidhernandez6872
    @reydavidhernandez6872 Год назад

    Amazing...

  • @팝콘-p3y
    @팝콘-p3y Год назад +1

    Nice play

  • @steveN111333
    @steveN111333 Год назад

    6:03 AWESOME !!!!! LMFAO :)

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      What goes up, must come down. They just thought of it differently after the initial jump. 😂

  • @lazuardialdi2646
    @lazuardialdi2646 Год назад

    The endong in Arcade ver. Is Less Obvious, But NES and PC ver. Does looks Obvious

  • @thetexasranger
    @thetexasranger Год назад

    The boss man on level 2 looks a lot like the mission coordinator from Dragon Ninja

  • @theaquariancontrarian3316
    @theaquariancontrarian3316 Год назад

    Did anyone notice the intro music sounds just like the street fighter character select music but slowed way down???

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      For the longest time, I was wondering if anyone else would pick up on that! 😂

  • @theaquariancontrarian3316
    @theaquariancontrarian3316 Год назад

    5:32 abobo looks like emo jimmy butler 😂😂😂

  • @冠升陳-c6u
    @冠升陳-c6u Год назад +1

    依2代的難度能玩到這樣,版主稱得上高手了!

  • @RetroGamesMas
    @RetroGamesMas Год назад

    The shadow is your dark side..because u are fighting vs your inner rage who wants to kill..

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      That’s actually not a bad perspective when you think of this game.
      I mean, The Revenge?
      You might be on to something there! 😎

    • @RetroGamesMas
      @RetroGamesMas Год назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel yep u need to stop..because u can kill everyone with no problem..or i say...the dragons can kill every enemy if the wanted?

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      Definitely the Dragons for sure!

  • @jfliguy
    @jfliguy 3 месяца назад

    5:48 is the funniest death of all time

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  3 месяца назад

      He had two sticks,
      so he got the elbow to the teeth to send him on his journey! 😂

    • @jfliguy
      @jfliguy 3 месяца назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel I was talking about them trying to jump kick and they fell to their death. It was hilarious

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  3 месяца назад

      Ooooooo!
      Sorry! Wrong time stamp! 😂

  • @MrVariant
    @MrVariant Год назад

    2:20 knife to knock boss on conveyor belt lol

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      Knock? Hell, when he seen that coming at him he jumped on it! 😂

    • @MrVariant
      @MrVariant Год назад +1

      @CinderGamingChannel lol as you say jump I think of the rage quit Kamikaze 6:06 by those demoted bosses. But yes you're right lol these guys are more suicidal than tactics ogre reborn AI

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      @@MrVariant😂🤣😂

  • @markfloyd3038
    @markfloyd3038 Год назад +1

    How solid is bizhawk emulator?
    I worked on a double dragon 2 TAS a while back. Gave up midway through because of how badly mame performed with dd2. Constant crashing while attempting to save/load from save state😅

    • @markfloyd3038
      @markfloyd3038 Год назад +1

      And amazing run by the way!

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      Put it this way, you will never look back! The MAME Core works fantastically and they have made many improvements with it! They have also made big time improvements to the other Cores as well!
      Check it out the details: github.com/TASEmulators/BizHawk

    • @markfloyd3038
      @markfloyd3038 Год назад +1

      @@CinderGamingChannel sweet will check it out.
      Oh man super excited to get back into TAS work [time permitting].
      Did you happen to compile any notes you don't mind sharing.. for your TAS work on dd2?
      I'm happy to share the in progress notes I have... but guessing you already have it [basic hex address info for player and enemy health totals... I didn't use much else for my dd1 and dd2 tas work]

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      @@markfloyd3038, very little, and not at the moment. My setup is almost back up, but I was dealing with the BSOD/Ram Errors from a faulty stick of Ram. Add in 10 hours days at work and that leaves little time to get back up at least from a testing standpoint. I think I also relied more on Savestates for the initial run.
      Aside from Enemy Placement/slowdown, I would look into possible ways to manipulate Enemy Spawn Points. If it is possible of course. I’ve seen your DD1 runs, so you obviously are no stranger to the normal tricks of saving time in these games. 🤙
      Feel free to comb my run as well. There are several places I noticed that could be time savers. Maybe even running the stage an entirely different way.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  11 месяцев назад

      @@markfloyd3038
      Is it possible that you know what is required to upload to TAS.org/to their RUclips Channel? I appreciate any help. Oh, I am holding on to the .tasproj file from the updated run about to release. Let me know if you are interested in taking a look at it. ✌️

  • @dycedargselderbrother5353
    @dycedargselderbrother5353 Год назад +2

    6:00 They're not sending their best.

  • @p0host
    @p0host 11 месяцев назад

    Wow. That was impressive. Not even one single hit against you.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  11 месяцев назад

      I appreciate that very much. Bear in mind that this is a Tool-Assisted Speedrun (TAS).

    • @p0host
      @p0host 11 месяцев назад

      What is TAS?@@CinderGamingChannel

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  11 месяцев назад

      @@p0host
      Think of it as a way of perfecting a Speedrun.
      It also allows the community more opportunities to develop techniques/scenarios in a Speedrun that wouldn't be possible for a person to perform on the spot.
      However, there have been times where a TAS has shown how a player could improve their Personal Best time in a Normal Speedrun.
      Of course, any runner should not attempt to use these types of tools, and pass the run off as one of their own.
      This is a very understood guideline from the community for anyone doing these types of runs.
      Below will give you good start to research and hopefully I was able to make it make a little more sense! Lol!
      tasvideos.org/WelcomeToTASVideos

    • @p0host
      @p0host 11 месяцев назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel Thanks. Never knew that. I figured you sped it up, but I was most impressed with how they never landed a finger on you. Inspired me to play last night. Oh the memories.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  11 месяцев назад

      @@p0host
      The feedback is always appreciated.
      As for the speed, the Bizhawk Emulator that I use, has an actual core of the MAME Emulator built into it. Along with other platforms respectively.
      Perhaps it able to perform better when it comes to MAME ROMS/GAMES? I'm not actually sure myself.
      You definitely have an eye for the classics to notice that speed change for sure!
      Memories is for certain! I remember playing it as a kid at the beach! It even had the second screen on top for everyone to watch! Turns out, that was an option that was available, but wasn't common! I didn't know that!

  • @sleepy3d
    @sleepy3d Год назад

    I like the part where he kicked everyone's ass

  • @skytube6161
    @skytube6161 Год назад

    good~

  • @michael2244
    @michael2244 Год назад

    I had this game Nintedo

  • @bukpark
    @bukpark Год назад

    Perfect!!!!!

  • @dave99887
    @dave99887 10 месяцев назад

    Fantastic music...

  • @Steve-mx6lz
    @Steve-mx6lz Год назад

    Love me some Double Dragon but after watching this I’ve came to a couple questions.
    1.) what’s the story of part 2 ?
    Almost looks like a similar backdrop.
    Why is the girlfriend alive in a photo after dude shot here ?
    Why did you fight a zombie version of yourself at the very end?
    Sick animations of the sprites.
    I was wondering about the slow downs was this a hardware issue or something done on purpose like a slow mo hit ?

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      Incoming! Lol..........
      1. The Revenge is like a retelling of the first with an obvious plot twist. Marian is shot to death by the Black Warriors leader Willy.
      2. A fair amount of Arcade games used the method back in the day. Not exactly like Double Dragon, but reusing assets in a new game from an earlier one, to make a new one. Perfect example is Mortal Kombat 3 to Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. You can obviously see it from Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 to Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Think of it as a way of expanding a game without increasing the cost of it. I believe they referred to them as Upgrade Kits? However, The Revenge ended up being a stand-alone game due to this. Check out a game called Renegade. It'll make sense. My example/version of course.
      2. Ah yes, the picture that is worth a thousand words, or shall we say questions in this case? I'm not sure what that move was to be honest with you. Especially when the first made that much more sense. The NES Version even went another way with this as well.
      3. I would imagine fighting your shadow is referring to ridding yourself of a inner darkness. Being called The Revenge, it makes pretty good sense.
      4. Good eye on the slowdown. No slow motion is applied though. This is due to there be too many assets/movements on the screen at one time. So, you are correct, it is due to a hardware limitation. Which is odd when you think of it being on an Upgrade Kit? 😂

    • @Steve-mx6lz
      @Steve-mx6lz Год назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel thanks for the detailed response 🤘

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад +1

      @@Steve-mx6lz
      Never a problem! ✌

  • @James-ki5ix
    @James-ki5ix 8 месяцев назад

    Now I see why they made double dragon 3 on arcade and it was a total bust because this one was almost if not 90 percent identical to the first one just different characters as the put an Andre the giant character in from 1989 WWF superstar arcade game,no wonder dd3 looked so different, NES version was good though.

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  8 месяцев назад +2

      DD3 NES version was great indeed!
      Couldn't agree with you more!
      DD2 was actually based off an Upgrade Kit. That is why it looks so similar to DD. For years, I didn't know that, but still wondered why they looked so similar to each other.

  • @ryliefranco3910
    @ryliefranco3910 10 месяцев назад

    this amt of carnage puts chuck norris, terminator, and rambo to shame. how sore would your knuckles be after this destruction???

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  10 месяцев назад

      Sore?! Hell, after a few, would you be able to feel them at all?! 😂

  • @theaquariancontrarian3316
    @theaquariancontrarian3316 Год назад

    The ending makes no sense the guy shot her up with a machine gun in the beginning 😂😂😂

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      Hey, she was getting that photo, even if it meant coming back from the dead! 😂

  • @emmanueljames8404
    @emmanueljames8404 Год назад

    @ 6:06...Lol!!

  • @ЕвгенийРовенский-н2щ
    @ЕвгенийРовенский-н2щ 10 месяцев назад

    What's the device? NES?

  • @smondine
    @smondine Год назад

    🤩🤩🤩🤩👏👏👏👏

  • @Cluez31
    @Cluez31 Год назад

    6:04 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      They said we can jump high. I said, ok, how high? 😂

    • @Cluez31
      @Cluez31 Год назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel Lol yeah, I laughed too hard at that part.

  • @toddpatterson5445
    @toddpatterson5445 10 месяцев назад

    He got punched one time.... AMATEUR! lol

  • @吉田くん-g6y
    @吉田くん-g6y 2 месяца назад

    1と違いずらし落としは出来ないんだな
    前作のボスウィリー出てくるんだなAC
    FCはヤツとか宿敵としか書かれてなくて1やらんとわからんかった

  • @skizzzle
    @skizzzle Год назад

    Moo

  • @rodolfovallejo7901
    @rodolfovallejo7901 Год назад +1

    dificult very easy

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      Negative. The Difficulty is set to Default. Higher will be in another run and is a way different beast to tackle. ✌️

  • @SmokeySkies
    @SmokeySkies Год назад

    This is too much..

  • @johncraftenworth7847
    @johncraftenworth7847 Год назад +2

    why is this game good, but double dragon 3 absolute trash???

    • @MrCrazyrob666
      @MrCrazyrob666 Год назад

      This very similar to DD1 but much more challenging. DD3 was very different and not in a good way

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      Greed? I’m not sure why a developer would make such a direction change with a game like Double Dragon.

    • @solarflare9078
      @solarflare9078 6 месяцев назад

      @@CinderGamingChannel The answer? Simple
      It was not made by Technos Japan
      It was developed by East Technology, who were also behind such games like Operation Wolf 1 and 3

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  6 месяцев назад

      I didn't know that either!
      Although, I do remember Operation Wolf!

    • @johncraftenworth7847
      @johncraftenworth7847 6 месяцев назад

      @@solarflare9078 wow operation wolf is up there as greatest gun game of all time. up there with Terminator 2, Lethal Enforcers, House of the Dead. Can't believe they screwed up Double D so badly

  • @ErikNouvel-mh4tq
    @ErikNouvel-mh4tq Год назад

    All that work for a dumb ending

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      They could have at least worked in a remake of the original ending.

  • @deg6788
    @deg6788 Год назад

    is this double dragon 1 remake ?

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      I mean,
      no,
      but technically you could say that it is? 🧐

    • @Munkyo99
      @Munkyo99 Год назад

      is the sequel

    • @CinderGamingChannel
      @CinderGamingChannel  Год назад

      @@Munkyo99
      Agreed. Although, I think this is debated due to their similarities.