Just like many newer vehicles that have components like water pumps that run fine when belt driven having "electronic components" added to them. I will be keeping my OLD car (2010 Toyota) and 3 snowblowers (Two 1969 and one 1971 Ariens) running as long as possible!
@michaelt1349 YES!!!!!! Electronics and plastic have ruined new things, a damn washing machine, WHY do we need all that bullshit on a washing machine that lasted WAY longer without that expensive, soon to be obsolete crap?? I drive my '82 CJ-7
Yes but consider boat outboards, snowmobiles and off-road motorcycles have had fuel injection, electronic sesnors, ECU's,... for a few decades now and they are use used in or around water and snow.
For the money Cub wasted on this useless tech, they could have installed an EFI on that machine which would actually be practical. Sometimes I think engineers get bored and come up with useless crap just to annoy mechanics.
They tried that 4 years ago saw one at Homo depot when shopping for a new one It was bluetooth enabled I said NOPE and it was a disaster they stopped making it . The one I bought was a disaster too it caught fire !!
Some high end small engines actually do have fuel injection now. I’m not sure if it’s mechanical fuel injection or electronic though, that was a bit unclear in the video I saw. Makes sense since so many people are too lazy or don’t know how to maintain their own equipment these days.
@@ChristopherSteward-j8v The guy thats been mowing mine has a commercial Scrub Cadet zero turn its EFI . when you turn on the key you hear the pump run for 3 seconds like a car does to prime it . I liked that machine until I looked and saw how tight the engine is shoe horned on 4 sides by metal you cant hardly get to it if it needed repair his starter failed and it was $1500 bucks to replace and service it The engine has to be pulled to replace a starter .
So it’s electronic throttle, but the choke is manual??? WTF?!?!?!? I think I’ll stick with my late 2000s MTD Snowblower with the 8hp Tecumseh Snowking motor.
I work in the IT field and it comes down to this. Companies have to have a new product to sell every year or two. You don't have to need it you don't have to want it but they have to come up with something to keep sales up and the stockholders happy.
The worst vehicle I ever owned for driveability, idle smoothness, consistent operation was a 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with 307 V8. The reason for that was the e-QuadraJUNK carb that GM designed to fit emissions regs instead of putting their effort into a fuel injection system for the engine. My point? Carburetors were not designed to have a computer try to tell them what to do. That's like trying to have a computer controlled butter churn.
The absolute worst engine design was Chrysler's "Lean Burn" V8 engines with "miles" of vacuum hoses that would become brittle and leak, in addition cold weather performance was sometimes erratic. The complexity was too much for most mechanics, so they would disconnect the "mess" and problem solved! LOL
@@TheOzthewiz that hose problem wasnt confined to chrysler, that was a common theme back in the day, guys would comment, i ripped all that emission crap off, then it ran.
Old saying: If not broken don't fix it. Stop trying to invent a new mouse trap. Just the basics, easy to diagnose and fix. Always in very informative and intuitive. Great channel
They just keep getting worse with all this crap. Been working on small engines for the last 40 years and aside from a few bad designs, mechanical governors work just fine. I’ll keep my old Wheelhorse and Gravely tractors running and know I have quality machines while cashing in on all this Chinese inspired junk that people buy these days. Thanks again for the entertaining videos Taryl.
I am "pushing" 82, and I still remember where automotive technology was in '50s with carburetors that had to be adjusted on a WEEKLY basis, along with "vapor lock" that left you "stranded" until the engine cooled down! Also, the "chokes" that would stick and give you a NO START or stalling after starting. Compare that to today's cars, get in the car push a button and drive away, regardless of the temperature! I would not want to go back to those "good old days"!!!
@@stewcarew49431995-2008 were the peak of vehicles. My dad had an 04 Saturn ion. We didn’t have to touch the fuel system until around 420k miles because the fuel tank pressure sensor went bad causing a “large evap leak” code. We just replaced the whole assembly fuel pump and everything. Then the fuel tank level sender immediately quit working. New parts just suck now
When my Mom was having a bad day with dementia/Alzheimer she would look out her kitchen table and tell me that she didn't recognize this place... Then she would say why am I here in PodunkVille. I guess that was upscale of Podunk IL. She was great even through the tough times.
And for some of their stuff there is NO info you can get. MTD 'says' they can TALK you through your repairs. I got a battery zero turn and have NO IDEA even where the battery IS!
Why does your refrigerator need to have internet access? They do that stuff just because they can, not because they should. Love the no-it-all speculative voice.
I know why my Frigidaire window AC has "inner screen" access..............so I can set it for COLD when I am on my way home from my local Walmart that is 37miles away!
I have the same snowblower. I got it in 2023, only used it once in January 2024. We already had 12 snow storms and I've yet to use it. And that's a bad thing to just have it sitting all winter. In the spring/summer/and early fall, I run it once a month for 5 minutes. My 2003 has yet to ever need anything besides belts
I had a similar problem back in 2021 with getting parts from Breaks and Scrappem for my old Simplecity. I ended up repower it with a Predator. Since the Predator is a Honda clone I can get genuine Honda parts to repair it. Keeping the design simple will always be the best way.
Great vid again Taryl and crew 👍; Now, we all know that a spring-assisted governor works just fine since all these years and will continue to work fine into the future....until it don't; These small and slight improvements to our preexisting technology are, perhaps, in some way, the slow and present growing pains in which lead up to even greater reliability than what we enjoy with a spring-assisted governor; this notion now and today seems silly...why go away from a "proven" method?? Obviously scrub cadet has some kinks to work out...when they get it to work, it may just change our outlook on the spring-assisted governor. 🤔 Love your unique content and personal touches contained in your videos. Very entertaining and humorous!
Companies need to chill on all the electronic BS they put on small equipment. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel 🤦♂️. More crap they put on them, the more they can tear up. And going to be more expensive to work on, just like automobiles.
That's why they put more crap on to cost you more down the road! Or find out part is no longer available! Now, the customer is stuck with an expensive boat anchor ⚓️
I remember when I used to just get a postcard as a bill from my electric company years and years ago. Well today they send a bill with a return envelope and a "newsletter". Later I get in the mail a "performance" of my electrical use as compared to my neighbors. I didn't subscribe to getting emails from them but somehow I'm now getting them. Just want to say it is the people at the top making bad ideas undoubtedly in response to government officals telling them they aren't doing enough for the consumer. Bad ideas usually come from government sticking their nose into businesses to help with environmental concerns in this case and those crappy things are put on goods to satisfy those "requirements". MGD might stand for Mostly Government Designed now.
I bet you also remember when you could go to their office and pay your bill in cash to a real person, and if there was a problem, you could discuss it with in person, instead of some AI crap and finally having a phone conversation with someone you can't see!
I feel the same as you regarding this digital electronic control nonsense that has taken over. It is even worse in the automotive field, and can be found in every home appliance.
I’ve got the super modified version of that ECM. I connected it to Alexa. When two inches of snow falls in my area. It goes into TMM (Trunk Monkey Mode). It starts itself, opens the garage door, blows the snow, then makes me breakfast when it done. I call it Sheila. It has an uncanny resemblance to my wife.
You fooled me on the stator price .. I saw the rest coming .. wholly crap .. I’m still running a crapsman 8.5 -27” with a mfg. date of 9-3-05 … when the auger gearbox stripped the worm gear 5 years ago , I fired the cash-cannon at it ( auger bushings , impeller bushings , worm gear , new drive disc with stainless springs , new lines and primer , and new belts .. $ 92.00 delivered .) … I wouldn’t trade it for anything new . Buffalo winters ain’t no joke either ..⭐️MODIFIED YOUR IMPELLERS WITH THE RUBBER FLAPS , PEOPLE !!! 💥
I bought a cub cadet walk-behind about 10 years ago. When it works, I love it. But it is battery start. While that is one of the features I love -when it works- Cub Cadet decided to omit the pull starter. I should have seen the problem from a mile away, but I didn't. So I've now spent a couple hundred dollars on replacement batteries. Some of which actually work well. But the part that I never saw coming was that when I took it back to the independent Cub Cadet dealer I bought it from (not a big box) the year after I bought it, he had no way to start it. Apparently a dealer and factory authorized repair shop didn't see any reason to have the batteries or chargers necessary to start one. Since my battery was dead, he had to keep it longer to figure out how to start it so he could diagnose it. Never again. Never again will I buy a Cub Cadet and never again will I buy from an independent dealer. I would have been much better off just buying an extended warranty from Lowes or HD and returning it when it wouldn't start 10 months after I bought it.
The shops they send them to under warranty are questionable They said my scrub cadet needed a bigger battery when the problem was a burned off pin in a wiring harness then the thing caught fire last summer I ordered a new Ferris last week over tin junk . Buy from a big dealer that sells to the pro crowd they have parts and mechanics .
This sounds like an idiot fest all around. Why didn't you keep your batter on a charger? Literally it can be jumpstarted with any battery so you are all morons
Somebody's nephew just graduated from college and needed a job so they came up with this BS to give him a job. That's all any of this upgrade bull is all about.
I know it's an extreme measure, but a repower can be an option. Folks are tossing out L head Briggs engines left and right, in my area at least. I have about 40 in one of my storage containers. I scoop up every one i can. LOL
I raced 5 hp Briggs flatheads for years. I got a dynoed 11.7 HP out of a box stock 5 HP aluminum bore equipped with a 3/4 inch bore Tillotson carburetor on methanol. 2 track championships with that old coleman generator green block with with a welded up place in the block where lack of oil blew up the generator. I have it proudly displayed in my garage as a trophy. It could still run again.
There for a second I thought Taryl was going to come out of character but there was a fast recovery. Smoov, very smoov. I'd like to get an electric throttle control for my 67 Ariens. It's just too tough to move that little lever back and forth. Nothing like electronics on a machine that's constantly in moisture.
Tarly, the problem is that all this is made for a price and you watch in three years you'll never be able to purchase any of these parts and it forces to purchase a new machine it's just a false economy, the older equipment is far superior but for some reason they don't want things to last as per yesteryear , the new stuff is just crap
What a POF. You know some sales engineer/manager wanted this crap as something to sell over the competition. Too bad it costs as much as a space shuttle now!
In 1910 A "Minneapolis Moline electronic governor" refers to the electronic engine speed control system used on Minneapolis-Moline tractors, which typically utilized a traditional centrifugal ball-type governor mechanism, but in later models, might have incorporated electronic components to adjust engine speed.
Modern motorcycles with electronic throttles to the fuel injection don't have the same response that carburetors used to give. Vibration really wears out the resistor pots used for these types of controls.
Technically you CAN convert the engine to a regular carburetor, but it'll be ungoverned and at that point it's only good for a go kart where you could use the more responsive throttle. But either way I've heard about these electronic carburetor setups and I want to slap the guy who thought it was a good idea. There's a reason mechanical governors have been used for over a century. Also the fact that they decided to have an electric throttle but didn't even give an automatic choke.
I wonder how much of the design was EPA driven to produce less emissions??? Seems EVERYTHING is emissions driven and moving to electric which in the long run is probably worse because of battery disposal and lack of longevity. I’ll keep my 1999 MTD one pull wonder. Only serviced, replaced fuel line and plug. I’m done blowing before others get theirs started!!! Good video Taryl!!!!!
Taryl I'm an automotive mechanic and I'm actually convinced with how they keep making stuff cheaper made and more complicated to fix that the whole idea is it'll fail in the next 5 to 10 years they won't sell parts for it and you'll have to go buy electric because at that point that's all there will be
So they've figured out how to do away with the governor, make it appear to be better and MUCH smarter, while it's cheaper to make and more expensive for us. Also it will break down more often while in the long run, we're spending more on parts. Those people are pretty smart
i agree with you Taryl . There is not any need for the electronic governor✌🌵 Why over complicate a simple thing that has worked without fail for so many years .
Nothing replaces the simple machanical throttle cable. I say manufacturers are always coming up with dumb ideas that make them more money 💵 and make our lives more complicated 😢
The Cadet is bright yellow so it can be found in the snowbank when the an electronic part fails. It is the next step in controlling the engine rpm to only what is required in an attempt to lower emissions. No more opening the throttle fully and leaving it there while blowing snow, cutting grass,...
I have the same thing on an inverter generator I have. Little step motor controlling the carburetor throttle. The engine speed is all over the place. And no, you will NOT get the rated 1,200 watt. At best you may be able to power something around 500 watts. If you exceed 500 watts that little step motor flips the butterfly all the way around shutting down the engine. I got a Champion LP gas powered generator (1200 watt rated on LP gas) that replaced the inverter gen. It has a mechanical governor, and it works great. Much steadier engine speed from full load to no load. And it runs a whole lot longer on a 20 lbs LP tank too - 26 hours per full 20 lbs of LP gas. Which I could run it off of a 40 lbs tank or a 200 lbs tank for even longer runtime. The suitcase inverter generator only has a 0.78-gallon gas tank. I tried to get it to run off of a 6-gallon marine gas tank but.......................
I have an early 2000’s cub cadet that I brought back from the dead 6 years ago new head gasket and some other smaller repairs. Still running great to this very day👍
I have a friend that Works on Refrigerators, Washing Machines and Dryers and Basically all Appliances that you would use in your home--he told me to get the least amount of Electronics on any Appliance as they always create more problems--more Maintenance...
I like the electronic speed control. Don't have to mess with springs and a flapper inside the engine. No cables to rust or adjust. Sign me up for all that.
Where i grew up, if you needed a machine to do some work, you just waited till people push them out to the curb by the trashcans. My friend would drive by to collect their junk, we would make a frankenstein machine, then scrap all the excess, turn it in for gas money and smokes. The rest went to the firepit or the dump. It was a localized mess for awhile, then, he would have it all cleaned up and the grass cut, so we could go fishing or catch a buzz.
reminds me of the quip, men comparing tractors, or whatever pc of equipment, which is the best, the best is the one that starts and runs and completes the task without breakdowns, when you need it. i have 8 tractors, and one is supposedly the best, and its awesome when its working, but i have more nuisance tweaking with the best, than the other 7 combined. when i have a task , i want to pull the rope, or turn the key do the job, and maintain it off season, not fiddle to get it and keep it goin.
It is a GIGO situation; Garbage in Garbage out. All of these components can be subject to the slightest change. If your stater should get rusty, that might change the strength of the signal being generated. If your wire connections get corroded, that also can change how the ECM is reading the signals. And then there is vibration. Remember the old car radios? A slam on the dash and the things started to work again. All and all not the best of idea's.
Those won't last long here in the Northeast. Here, snowblowers are literary ridden hard and put away wet. Water+cold+electricity = stoopid. Go watch any car repair channel in the rust belt to see what happens to wires and electronics on cars here. Hint, they're turned into oxidation dust.
Companies don't like to make design changes unless they see a benefit for themselves. Maybe assembly or parts were cheaper or it met some kind of EPA need. The biggest issue I see with electronic controls is that the parts become unavailable at some point and there is not an easy way to work around the design. We see the same on modern cars.
They use electronic engine speed control because the initial cost to implement (especially for any additional functionality for what it does) is cheaper. There should also be an engine rpm sensor somewhere. They may sell the electronic speed control as providing more fail safe operation as it can detect abnormal operation and go into limp mode to limit engine damage.
my next door neighbor bought the ccadet intellipower 42" riding mower this past year, brand new, he is very proud of it and i'm proud for him since we have .3acre lots, he's been push mowing all of the time, he got tired of it so he bought this model. he let me try it out on my lawn, it worked out great, but it's new, when i saw that it had intellipower, i didn't say anything to ruin his joy, i'm waiting to see how it will last and how much repairs will be for that digital system. btw- the deck is very flimsy, it shaked rattled and rolled the whole time, even in idle, it's only 13-14guage stamped, i didn't care for that but everything else is good except how loud it is, it's very loud, more loud than my old poulan riding mower. 😀
They have to change all that stuff because they weren't making any money off of the good parts. And their engineers have to prove that their jobs are needed.
Thanks for the all the info. I'll pass on anything that has a setup like this. I can't remember the last time you made a video without a skit. What's up???
Man I got lucky on mine. I got a 2x 30” on tracks in 2020 so it still has the traditional throttle and choke, no electronics. Engine is Cub so it’s Chinese but it’s been a good unit so far, I only use it when the snow it too heavy or deep for the atv and plow to handle.
Everything is built like this now. We just have to suck it up and deal with it. I used to have to buy 3 printed circuit boards and hope at least one worked correctly. 😮
Just like new cars, they keep trying to complicate things. Soon you will need a scan tool to work on them to find out you need an expensive part that is no longer available! 😡
Taryl - I have to stand up for the manufacturers and engineers here. I live in California. It won’t be another year or two before you can’t buy ICE engined small equipment any more due to CA’s emissions/carbon dioxide regulations. The local box stores are only starting to stock the E-go equipment - chain saws, string line trimmers, blowers, etc. They are only trying to stay in the market and make some money. We’d either be griping about the cheapness of their product or the cost of a better one. Either way we’d be griping. Trying to comply with government regulations is going to ultimately put these guys out of the CA market altogether.
Scrub cadet has a very bad habit of discontinuing parts after 3 to 5 years. I bought a 1996 simplicity slowblower for 250, i put 300 in parts. And it will last another 30 years
I have a 1995 Simplicity 870S. I bought Brand New, and it still runs like new. I also purchased a Simplicity 520E single-stage for $50 15 years ago for small jobs since it never snows in Minnesota anymore? Only buy old stuff and fix them up...
I have a 1999 Yard Man (MTD), 24" with a 7hp OHV Techumish engiine. The only things Ive had to do to it so far is replace the worn out skid shoes a few times, (I now refurbish my own with a HOBART Handler 210 MiG welder) AND replace a worn rubber clutch doughnut once. I would not want to trade it for a piece of electronic junk like that.
That had to be created by some engineer searching for something to design to keep himself employed. "I know. I'll design an electronic carburetor and save fuel injection for next year." It is a step to a cleaner world, a very small step.
Those parts are easy to find and cheap right now. Just wait till they change to the next model and nothing interchanges with the new one. Everything will be out of stock and worth more than their weight in gold. Why I stay away from useless gimmicks and gizmos. Try to find the simplest design lowest optioned model I can find.
Oh give the tariff crap a break. It’s gotta be done to stop the countries from allowing all the illegals across. It will be temporary. Didn’t hear you complaining about the price increases for four solid years of bidenomics lol
I am willing to bet the cases will accept a classic mechanical gpvernor and the shaft for the arm just has a rubber plug. The carb most likely has a different throttle knob where the servo is applied. rpm is read by the magneto translating to resistance regulating the servo +/- and 0 for steady state. If not a 224 cc honda clone goes for 1/4 the price Good job Scrap Cedette
Another great video Taryl; this might have been a pretty good snowblower if it didn’t have all the electronic crap; just another sales gimmick; do you realize, you put out more videos than donyboy & Chickanic combined! 🤣 Keep em coming!
I actually bought a back up 2000 Ariens with a Tecumseh snow king,easy to work on. Went over it ,ready to use if anything goes wrong on my main blower.
When I hear "electronically controlled", I don't walk, but RUN away!!!
Yep
Just like many newer vehicles that have components like water pumps that run fine when belt driven having "electronic components" added to them. I will be keeping my OLD car (2010 Toyota) and 3 snowblowers (Two 1969 and one 1971 Ariens) running as long as possible!
The other word to avoid is "smart". I don't want any of my appliances, plumbing, or other household items connected to the internet.
@michaelt1349 YES!!!!!! Electronics and plastic have ruined new things, a damn washing machine, WHY do we need all that bullshit on a washing machine that lasted WAY longer without that expensive, soon to be obsolete crap??
I drive my '82 CJ-7
@jeffpiatt3879 washing machines are a disgusting joke
Keep the old ones running.
Agreed 100%...No electronics on our cars or other power equipment!!..
@@Biokemist-o3kSame here, that's why I love my 1983 motorcycle, simple and easy to fix.
@@steveclark.. Absolutely!!
Anything after 1980s is junk.
For sure.
Electronics on a high moisture machine seems like a great idea.
Good spot for corrosion!!!
Boats do ok. It's the quality.
Same with on chainsaws and cutoff saws ( stihl)
Yes but consider boat outboards, snowmobiles and off-road motorcycles have had fuel injection, electronic sesnors, ECU's,... for a few decades now and they are use used in or around water and snow.
Like driving a Tesla thru a flooded low water crossing.
For the money Cub wasted on this useless tech, they could have installed an EFI on that machine which would actually be practical. Sometimes I think engineers get bored and come up with useless crap just to annoy mechanics.
NO, it's all about profit and GREED.
They tried that 4 years ago saw one at Homo depot when shopping for a new one It was bluetooth enabled I said NOPE and it was a disaster they stopped making it . The one I bought was a disaster too it caught fire !!
Some high end small engines actually do have fuel injection now. I’m not sure if it’s mechanical fuel injection or electronic though, that was a bit unclear in the video I saw. Makes sense since so many people are too lazy or don’t know how to maintain their own equipment these days.
@@ChristopherSteward-j8v It’s electronic. I’ll take my carburetors any day.
@@ChristopherSteward-j8v The guy thats been mowing mine has a commercial Scrub Cadet zero turn its EFI . when you turn on the key you hear the pump run for 3 seconds like a car does to prime it . I liked that machine until I looked and saw how tight the engine is shoe horned on 4 sides by metal you cant hardly get to it if it needed repair his starter failed and it was $1500 bucks to replace and service it The engine has to be pulled to replace a starter .
So it’s electronic throttle, but the choke is manual??? WTF?!?!?!? I think I’ll stick with my late 2000s MTD Snowblower with the 8hp Tecumseh Snowking motor.
Those are great and you can still get parts!
This is why I will keep my IH Cub Cadets from the 70's and 80's running till I die. Don't want any of this new crap.
When companies have something that works good for years, why do they screw it it?
To make more profit.
All comes down to $$$$$$ and because they are insane morons.
I work in the IT field and it comes down to this. Companies have to have a new product to sell every year or two. You don't have to need it you don't have to want it but they have to come up with something to keep sales up and the stockholders happy.
Shareholder profits, more money for a higher turnaround because it shts the bed fast
Usually, a rookie engineer wants to impress the bosses.
There's just too much worthless junk on equipment nowadays. I guess these engineers just want to show how smart they think they are.
Or they want you throw it away in two years and buy another one . Job security.
Its the stupid EPA is why we have all of this on everything .
@@metlframr I try to work on old junk it’s much more satisfying for me
Anything electric should always be tuned to minimum smoke.
But it has the opposite effect. They expose their stupidity.
The worst vehicle I ever owned for driveability, idle smoothness, consistent operation was a 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with 307 V8. The reason for that was the e-QuadraJUNK carb that GM designed to fit emissions regs instead of putting their effort into a fuel injection system for the engine.
My point? Carburetors were not designed to have a computer try to tell them what to do. That's like trying to have a computer controlled butter churn.
The absolute worst engine design was Chrysler's "Lean Burn" V8 engines with "miles" of vacuum hoses that would become brittle and leak, in addition cold weather performance was sometimes erratic. The complexity was too much for most mechanics, so they would disconnect the "mess" and problem solved! LOL
@@TheOzthewiz that hose problem wasnt confined to chrysler, that was a common theme back in the day, guys would comment, i ripped all that emission crap off, then it ran.
Old saying: If not broken don't fix it. Stop trying to invent a new mouse trap. Just the basics, easy to diagnose and fix. Always in very informative and intuitive. Great channel
I like honest deep reviews of newer equipment… very helpful
They just keep getting worse with all this crap. Been working on small engines for the last 40 years and aside from a few bad designs, mechanical governors work just fine. I’ll keep my old Wheelhorse and Gravely tractors running and know I have quality machines while cashing in on all this Chinese inspired junk that people buy these days. Thanks again for the entertaining videos Taryl.
Lawn equipment manufacturers are getting as bad as car companies. Just because you CAN do something don't mean you SHOULD do it.
I am "pushing" 82, and I still remember where automotive technology was in '50s with carburetors that had to be adjusted on a WEEKLY basis, along with "vapor lock" that left you "stranded" until the engine cooled down! Also, the "chokes" that would stick and give you a NO START or stalling after starting. Compare that to today's cars, get in the car push a button and drive away, regardless of the temperature! I would not want to go back to those "good old days"!!!
@@TheOzthewizBut you could open the hood and fix it without a thousand dollars worth of diagnostic equipment.
@@TheOzthewiz My family had a 51 or 52 Plymouth Cranbrook up until 1966. Never had vapor lock, nor did the carburetor need to be constantly adjusted.
@@stewcarew49431995-2008 were the peak of vehicles. My dad had an 04 Saturn ion. We didn’t have to touch the fuel system until around 420k miles because the fuel tank pressure sensor went bad causing a “large evap leak” code. We just replaced the whole assembly fuel pump and everything. Then the fuel tank level sender immediately quit working. New parts just suck now
Our government flexing their power.
When my Mom was having a bad day with dementia/Alzheimer she would look out her kitchen table and tell me that she didn't recognize this place... Then she would say why am I here in PodunkVille. I guess that was upscale of Podunk IL. She was great even through the tough times.
Thankfully I haven’t seen one of these in my shop! MTD now stands for My Throttle Disappeared!
And for some of their stuff there is NO info you can get. MTD 'says' they can TALK you through your repairs. I got a battery zero turn and have NO IDEA even where the battery IS!
@ Contact Erica at Married with Small Engines. She personally runs a Battery Operated MTD Cub Cadet Zero Turn as no one would buy it!!
Cub cadet,is helpful over the phone at their tech center, I've called on the wiring on a couple cub cadet machines
@@jeffclark2725 MTD said they would but I'd like a diagram to see what was WHERE. nothing and can't get any!
There is good tech documents for all of this equipment. I am a Cub Dealer, I can send you info if you need.
2 x the trash 3 x the cost now it is the space shuttle
Why does your refrigerator need to have internet access? They do that stuff just because they can, not because they should. Love the no-it-all speculative voice.
I know why my Frigidaire window AC has "inner screen" access..............so I can set it for COLD when I am on my way home from my local Walmart that is 37miles away!
@TheOzthewiz It's a miraculous time we live in. 🛸🛸
Maybe so big brother can watch over you ??
@jhonsiders6077 👀👁👀
So your fridge can order pizza delivery 😅😅
I have the same snowblower. I got it in 2023, only used it once in January 2024. We already had 12 snow storms and I've yet to use it. And that's a bad thing to just have it sitting all winter. In the spring/summer/and early fall, I run it once a month for 5 minutes. My 2003 has yet to ever need anything besides belts
i have my dad's 1993 jd 10hp tecumseh, only ever replaced fuel lines and carb.
10:20-11:40 is absolute gold. BAAAM! My wife just yelled at me for laughing uncontrollably like a buffoon. Well done boys.
I had a similar problem back in 2021 with getting parts from Breaks and Scrappem for my old Simplecity. I ended up repower it with a Predator. Since the Predator is a Honda clone I can get genuine Honda parts to repair it. Keeping the design simple will always be the best way.
Love those Honda/Predator engines. So many upgrades available!
@@TheOzthewizConsidering your grammar skills lucky you found the gas cap !
Another great video calling out the big companies
It sucks when engineers think we need this crap,listen too the customer we want simple to run and maintain.
Thank you Taryl..No electronics for our tractors or other power equipment...-John
Great vid again Taryl and crew 👍;
Now, we all know that a spring-assisted governor works just fine since all these years and will continue to work fine into the future....until it don't;
These small and slight improvements to our preexisting technology are, perhaps, in some way, the slow and present growing pains in which lead up to even greater reliability than what we enjoy with a spring-assisted governor; this notion now and today seems silly...why go away from a "proven" method?? Obviously scrub cadet has some kinks to work out...when they get it to work, it may just change our outlook on the spring-assisted governor. 🤔
Love your unique content and personal touches contained in your videos. Very entertaining and humorous!
So whats your saying is, when you buy this new junk they're selling go ahead and pick up a snow shovel too?
Companies need to chill on all the electronic BS they put on small equipment. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel 🤦♂️. More crap they put on them, the more they can tear up. And going to be more expensive to work on, just like automobiles.
That's why they put more crap on to cost you more down the road! Or find out part is no longer available! Now, the customer is stuck with an expensive boat anchor ⚓️
The EPA is pushing it look in Kailiforna too they are banning gas equipment .
I remember when I used to just get a postcard as a bill from my electric company years and years ago. Well today they
send a bill with a return envelope and a "newsletter". Later I get in the mail a "performance" of my electrical use as
compared to my neighbors. I didn't subscribe to getting emails from them but somehow I'm now getting them. Just want
to say it is the people at the top making bad ideas undoubtedly in response to government officals telling them they aren't
doing enough for the consumer. Bad ideas usually come from government sticking their nose into businesses to help
with environmental concerns in this case and those crappy things are put on goods to satisfy those "requirements". MGD
might stand for Mostly Government Designed now.
I bet you also remember when you could go to their office and pay your bill in cash to a real person, and if there was a problem, you could discuss it with in person, instead of some AI crap and finally having a phone conversation with someone you can't see!
Totally agree with Taryl if the old way works (and it does) why oh why change it.
I feel the same as you regarding this digital electronic control nonsense that has taken over. It is even worse in the automotive field, and can be found in every home appliance.
I’ve got the super modified version of that ECM. I connected it to Alexa. When two inches of snow falls in my area. It goes into TMM (Trunk Monkey Mode). It starts itself, opens the garage door, blows the snow, then makes me breakfast when it done. I call it Sheila. It has an uncanny resemblance to my wife.
It is my barely observant, marginally-informed opinion that you may have accidentally swapped their name tags again.
You fooled me on the stator price .. I saw the rest coming .. wholly crap .. I’m still running a crapsman 8.5 -27” with a mfg. date of 9-3-05 … when the auger gearbox stripped the worm gear 5 years ago , I fired the cash-cannon at it ( auger bushings , impeller bushings , worm gear , new drive disc with stainless springs , new lines and primer , and new belts .. $ 92.00 delivered .) … I wouldn’t trade it for anything new . Buffalo winters ain’t no joke either ..⭐️MODIFIED YOUR IMPELLERS WITH THE RUBBER FLAPS , PEOPLE !!! 💥
Buy the older equipment folks without the electronics and keep them running as long as you can.
I agree, even if it needs a new hf engine 😊😊😊
I bought a cub cadet walk-behind about 10 years ago. When it works, I love it. But it is battery start. While that is one of the features I love -when it works- Cub Cadet decided to omit the pull starter. I should have seen the problem from a mile away, but I didn't. So I've now spent a couple hundred dollars on replacement batteries. Some of which actually work well.
But the part that I never saw coming was that when I took it back to the independent Cub Cadet dealer I bought it from (not a big box) the year after I bought it, he had no way to start it. Apparently a dealer and factory authorized repair shop didn't see any reason to have the batteries or chargers necessary to start one. Since my battery was dead, he had to keep it longer to figure out how to start it so he could diagnose it.
Never again. Never again will I buy a Cub Cadet and never again will I buy from an independent dealer. I would have been much better off just buying an extended warranty from Lowes or HD and returning it when it wouldn't start 10 months after I bought it.
The shops they send them to under warranty are questionable They said my scrub cadet needed a bigger battery when the problem was a burned off pin in a wiring harness then the thing caught fire last summer I ordered a new Ferris last week over tin junk . Buy from a big dealer that sells to the pro crowd they have parts and mechanics .
This sounds like an idiot fest all around. Why didn't you keep your batter on a charger? Literally it can be jumpstarted with any battery so you are all morons
I just want a regular snowblower PROBLEM SOLVED 😎
We definitely don't need that garbage on a snow thrower.
Somebody's nephew just graduated from college and needed a job so they came up with this BS to give him a job. That's all any of this upgrade bull is all about.
I know it's an extreme measure, but a repower can be an option. Folks are tossing out L head Briggs engines left and right, in my area at least. I have about 40 in one of my storage containers. I scoop up every one i can. LOL
I raced 5 hp Briggs flatheads for years. I got a dynoed 11.7 HP out of a box stock 5 HP aluminum bore equipped with a 3/4 inch bore Tillotson carburetor on methanol. 2 track championships with that old coleman generator green block with with a welded up place in the block where lack of oil blew up the generator. I have it proudly displayed in my garage as a trophy. It could still run again.
Smart ideal to keep everyone you can so I can buy parts from you in my shop 😊😊😊
We still have a lot of demand for them and value jobs are common 😊
There for a second I thought Taryl was going to come out of character but there was a fast recovery. Smoov, very smoov. I'd like to get an electric throttle control for my 67 Ariens. It's just too tough to move that little lever back and forth. Nothing like electronics on a machine that's constantly in moisture.
I am so happy to have a lifetime supply of older lawn equipment that always works.....
Not too much cheers me up in the world these days.
Your videos always make me smile though.
Best wishes from across the pond.
Tarly, the problem is that all this is made for a price and you watch in three years you'll never be able to purchase any of these parts and it forces to purchase a new machine it's just a false economy, the older equipment is far superior but for some reason they don't want things to last as per yesteryear , the new stuff is just crap
What a POF. You know some sales engineer/manager wanted this crap as something to sell over the competition. Too bad it costs as much as a space shuttle now!
Wonderful video. Keep the info coming for us grass rats.
In 1910
A "Minneapolis Moline electronic governor" refers to the electronic engine speed control system used on Minneapolis-Moline tractors, which typically utilized a traditional centrifugal ball-type governor mechanism, but in later models, might have incorporated electronic components to adjust engine speed.
Thank you for sharing.👍
Thanks Taryl ! Another Great Video ! I Will be Watching for These Pieces of Crap that People will be putting out by the Curb for the Scrapers
Modern motorcycles with electronic throttles to the fuel injection don't have the same response that carburetors used to give. Vibration really wears out the resistor pots used for these types of controls.
Technically you CAN convert the engine to a regular carburetor, but it'll be ungoverned and at that point it's only good for a go kart where you could use the more responsive throttle. But either way I've heard about these electronic carburetor setups and I want to slap the guy who thought it was a good idea. There's a reason mechanical governors have been used for over a century. Also the fact that they decided to have an electric throttle but didn't even give an automatic choke.
I wonder how much of the design was EPA driven to produce less emissions??? Seems EVERYTHING is emissions driven and moving to electric which in the long run is probably worse because of battery disposal and lack of longevity.
I’ll keep my 1999 MTD one pull wonder. Only serviced, replaced fuel line and plug. I’m done blowing before others get theirs started!!!
Good video Taryl!!!!!
Taryl I'm an automotive mechanic and I'm actually convinced with how they keep making stuff cheaper made and more complicated to fix that the whole idea is it'll fail in the next 5 to 10 years they won't sell parts for it and you'll have to go buy electric because at that point that's all there will be
Very informative thanks for sharing 👍🏻
So they've figured out how to do away with the governor, make it appear to be better and MUCH smarter, while it's cheaper to make and more expensive for us. Also it will break down more often while in the long run, we're spending more on parts. Those people are pretty smart
Millennial Management: "If you can't invent or improve it, rename it and claim it".
AND actually make the product worse than it was before!
i agree with you Taryl . There is not any need for the electronic governor✌🌵 Why over complicate a simple thing that has worked without fail for so many years .
Nothing replaces the simple machanical throttle cable. I say manufacturers are always coming up with dumb ideas that make them more money 💵 and make our lives more complicated 😢
Scrub Cadet engineers : How we can get a snow thrower more unreliable? Easy, let's put more electronic on it!
The Cadet is bright yellow so it can be found in the snowbank when the an electronic part fails.
It is the next step in controlling the engine rpm to only what is required in an attempt to lower emissions.
No more opening the throttle fully and leaving it there while blowing snow, cutting grass,...
Total violation of the engineering KISS Principal .... "Keep It Simple Stupid!"
20:04 Hello Harbor Freight
I have the same thing on an inverter generator I have. Little step motor controlling the carburetor throttle. The engine speed is all over the place. And no, you will NOT get the rated 1,200 watt. At best you may be able to power something around 500 watts. If you exceed 500 watts that little step motor flips the butterfly all the way around shutting down the engine.
I got a Champion LP gas powered generator (1200 watt rated on LP gas) that replaced the inverter gen. It has a mechanical governor, and it works great. Much steadier engine speed from full load to no load. And it runs a whole lot longer on a 20 lbs LP tank too - 26 hours per full 20 lbs of LP gas. Which I could run it off of a 40 lbs tank or a 200 lbs tank for even longer runtime.
The suitcase inverter generator only has a 0.78-gallon gas tank. I tried to get it to run off of a 6-gallon marine gas tank but.......................
I have an early 2000’s cub cadet that I brought back from the dead 6 years ago new head gasket and some other smaller repairs. Still running great to this very day👍
I have a friend that Works on Refrigerators, Washing Machines and Dryers and Basically all Appliances that you would use in your home--he told me to get the least amount of Electronics on any Appliance as they always create more problems--more Maintenance...
Same as a car ecm electronic control module .it reading the throttle great videos thanks from nova scotia canada
I like the electronic speed control. Don't have to mess with springs and a flapper inside the engine. No cables to rust or adjust. Sign me up for all that.
Your why everything is goin to shit..
Take a trip to a junkyard,so you can see most cars in there are newer,not 20 years old.
Where i grew up, if you needed a machine to do some work, you just waited till people push them out to the curb by the trashcans.
My friend would drive by to collect their junk, we would make a frankenstein machine, then scrap all the excess, turn it in for gas money and smokes. The rest went to the firepit or the dump.
It was a localized mess for awhile, then, he would have it all cleaned up and the grass cut, so we could go fishing or catch a buzz.
'we're not making enough money selling the same old parts, we need something new we can put a patent on to limit where you can buy it'
reminds me of the quip, men comparing tractors, or whatever pc of equipment, which is the best, the best is the one that starts and runs and completes the task without breakdowns, when you need it. i have 8 tractors, and one is supposedly the best, and its awesome when its working, but i have more nuisance tweaking with the best, than the other 7 combined. when i have a task , i want to pull the rope, or turn the key do the job, and maintain it off season, not fiddle to get it and keep it goin.
I avoid digital as much as possible, from lawn equipment to home appliances and beyond.
It is a GIGO situation; Garbage in Garbage out. All of these components can be subject to the slightest change. If your stater should get rusty, that might change the strength of the signal being generated. If your wire connections get corroded, that also can change how the ECM is reading the signals. And then there is vibration. Remember the old car radios? A slam on the dash and the things started to work again. All and all not the best of idea's.
Those won't last long here in the Northeast. Here, snowblowers are literary ridden hard and put away wet. Water+cold+electricity = stoopid. Go watch any car repair channel in the rust belt to see what happens to wires and electronics on cars here. Hint, they're turned into oxidation dust.
Agreed, unnecessary on a snow blower but could be great on a generator; no more dealing with governer droop under load.
You crack me up Troy😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 0:32
Companies don't like to make design changes unless they see a benefit for themselves. Maybe assembly or parts were cheaper or it met some kind of EPA need. The biggest issue I see with electronic controls is that the parts become unavailable at some point and there is not an easy way to work around the design. We see the same on modern cars.
They use electronic engine speed control because the initial cost to implement (especially for any additional functionality for what it does) is cheaper.
There should also be an engine rpm sensor somewhere. They may sell the electronic speed control as providing more fail safe operation as it can detect abnormal operation and go into limp mode to limit engine damage.
I will happily stick with my all - mechanical Toro. We understand each other.
my next door neighbor bought the ccadet intellipower 42" riding mower this past year, brand new, he is very proud of it and i'm proud for him since we have .3acre lots, he's been push mowing all of the time, he got tired of it so he bought this model. he let me try it out on my lawn, it worked out great, but it's new, when i saw that it had intellipower, i didn't say anything to ruin his joy, i'm waiting to see how it will last and how much repairs will be for that digital system. btw- the deck is very flimsy, it shaked rattled and rolled the whole time, even in idle, it's only 13-14guage stamped, i didn't care for that but everything else is good except how loud it is, it's very loud, more loud than my old poulan riding mower. 😀
You would not believe how much that crap is in the auto repair sector there is . At least you dont need special tools to replace the module .
They have to change all that stuff because they weren't making any money off of the good parts. And their engineers have to prove that their jobs are needed.
Thanks for the all the info. I'll pass on anything that has a setup like this. I can't remember the last time you made a video without a skit. What's up???
Look on the bright side, you don't have to wait until it boots up to start it. 🤓
Man I got lucky on mine. I got a 2x 30” on tracks in 2020 so it still has the traditional throttle and choke, no electronics.
Engine is Cub so it’s Chinese but it’s been a good unit so far, I only use it when the snow it too heavy or deep for the atv and plow to handle.
Just hire the neighbor kid to remove your snow from your driveway.....
They're too lazy and their parents would probably call it child abuse.
Good luck finding them. 😞😞
Everything is built like this now. We just have to suck it up and deal with it. I used to have to buy 3 printed circuit boards and hope at least one worked correctly. 😮
Just like new cars, they keep trying to complicate things. Soon you will need a scan tool to work on them to find out you need an expensive part that is no longer available! 😡
"Come on down! You are on the Price is Right!" Bam!
Taryl - I have to stand up for the manufacturers and engineers here. I live in California. It won’t be another year or two before you can’t buy ICE engined small equipment any more due to CA’s emissions/carbon dioxide regulations. The local box stores are only starting to stock the E-go equipment - chain saws, string line trimmers, blowers, etc. They are only trying to stay in the market and make some money. We’d either be griping about the cheapness of their product or the cost of a better one. Either way we’d be griping. Trying to comply with government regulations is going to ultimately put these guys out of the CA market altogether.
I have a snow-thrower. It's called, '"John Harrison" with a shovel'.
Scrub cadet has a very bad habit of discontinuing parts after 3 to 5 years. I bought a 1996 simplicity slowblower for 250, i put 300 in parts. And it will last another 30 years
I have a 1995 Simplicity 870S. I bought Brand New, and it still runs like new. I also purchased a Simplicity 520E single-stage for $50 15 years ago for small jobs since it never snows in Minnesota anymore? Only buy old stuff and fix them up...
I have a 1999 Yard Man (MTD), 24" with a 7hp OHV Techumish engiine. The only things Ive had to do to it so far is replace the worn out skid shoes a few times, (I now refurbish my own with a HOBART Handler 210 MiG welder) AND replace a worn rubber clutch doughnut once.
I would not want to trade it for a piece of electronic junk like that.
That had to be created by some engineer searching for something to design to keep himself employed. "I know. I'll design an electronic carburetor and save fuel injection for next year."
It is a step to a cleaner world, a very small step.
Those parts are easy to find and cheap right now. Just wait till they change to the next model and nothing interchanges with the new one. Everything will be out of stock and worth more than their weight in gold. Why I stay away from useless gimmicks and gizmos. Try to find the simplest design lowest optioned model I can find.
I like it. A nice Scrub Cadet snow trower. Nope. Thanks for the tips.
My guess is that the EPA is forcing manufacturers to use these electronic nuisances in order to meet emission standards.
Thats VERY true a Obama/Biden thing Kaliforna banned small gas engined equipment .
There almost the space shuttle ….😂
*they're
trumpards and your lack of education.
Just wait till the tariffs take effect
Wish Trump wouldn’t have started this mess 😢😢😢
Oh give the tariff crap a break. It’s gotta be done to stop the countries from allowing all the illegals across. It will be temporary. Didn’t hear you complaining about the price increases for four solid years of bidenomics lol
I am willing to bet the cases will accept a classic mechanical gpvernor and the shaft for the arm just has a rubber plug. The carb most likely has a different throttle knob where the servo is applied. rpm is read by the magneto translating to resistance regulating the servo +/- and 0 for steady state.
If not a 224 cc honda clone goes for 1/4 the price
Good job Scrap Cedette
Another great video Taryl; this might have been a pretty good snowblower if it didn’t have all the electronic crap; just another sales gimmick; do you realize, you put out more videos than donyboy & Chickanic combined! 🤣 Keep em coming!
Chickanic...another example of DEI lol
Electonics and water are a bad idea. I'll hang on to my early 80's 524 Toro.
I actually bought a back up 2000 Ariens with a Tecumseh snow king,easy to work on. Went over it ,ready to use if anything goes wrong on my main blower.
Thanks Joe and Jennifer