Conversations With History: Rise of Asia and Decline of West
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- Conversations host Harry Kreisler welcomes Kishore Mahbubani for a discussion of the changing relationship between the West and Asia. In the interview, he describes the major transformations occurring because of the "march of modernity" made possible by the ideas and global institutions created by the West. He goes on to criticize the West for failing to adapt to the changing balance of power which follows from Asia's rise. [5/2008] [Show ID: 14478]
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This interview is quite old but contents are still valid, glad I continue listening to it till completion. This video worth 2 thumbs up.
Such an interesting and informational interview. Also his explanation at 21:45 is spot on!
Have watched your speaking for a while , and now i know you can see this from way back 2008 or even ealier when things wasn't số relevant as today . What a visionary .
I've read his book, it is a good read and introduces a lot of interesting scenarios, and no doom and gloom either - which is nice.
Thank you Kishore. I hope one day you will be invited to the Iraqi parliament to speak to help them understand
Great conversation, brave man!
Interesting, good foresight and insight of the future.
So informative. Thank you. Is Australia consider as Asia? The lucky country overcome financial crisis pretty well.
good
agreed... i'm just as perplexed by amaqula's statements
Kishore already saw many things coming 13 years ago correctly. This underlines again his ability to identify the trend. In Chinese: 你大爷还是你大爷!
He's a wise knowledgeable man, if not a sage :)
I am glad American politicians (European too) ignore Kishore or US will lose this struggle with China.
Excellent discussion by Kishore Mahbubani, South-East Asia has much more freedom than the US but you have to spend some time there to experience it firsthand... lol, Harry got shell-shocked at 34:18 that the US can no longer lecture the world on freedoms after torturing people during the Iraq invasion.
An excellent lecture by Kishore which the West, especially the Americans should listen. American production did not shrink but CHINA's and India's hv grown substantially. So it's a percentage shrinkage.
Really you found a gem in the filth, the corruption, the parroting and scavenging.
台灣民眾應該聽聽這個對談。馬凱碩對大陸、對美國有更公平的評價。
i rather think it's a realistic viewpoint, open-minded with conclusions based on a variety of facts
asians for the most part are a rational people, bodes well for their future, us whites well we are just acting stupid, following israel and religion to the end
Heh...he was wrong on Barack. Talk on the emergence of Asia is very interesting.
to adopt chatholicism would continue to have their population to grow from 1.2 billion and further it would also mean an over taxing on food supplies, utlra high density countryside and urbanized areas. increase population esp. without social upward mobility = more poverty, rotting cesspool urban landscape etc. more people in china would ruin them. they can barely reign in the population explosion.
what is this "closer analysis" you are referring to?
Obviously you are totally wrong.
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Kishore Mahbubani mentions China and India in the same breath but the fact is: china is way ahead of India and views India's rise with contempt much as West does vis-a- vis china.
The simple fact is: there is room for only one person at the top and when there are competing parties, there is bound to be rivalry.
India may think so, but not China. This is myopic.
his context was always that for 1800 years of 2000 year history, india and china were the superpower, that western countries were richer since 1820 was an aberration. india might be lagging china now, but in 50-100 years they will catch up eventually.
is it me or is the prof impatient, even angry at the host at the start of the vid? Just watch his eyes when the host picks up the book. LOL
@ellipticalbar says "how bright Phd's in science and engineering actually are, you wouldn't have posted such a pathetic comment. These guys are the designers and inventors of industry."
Read my whole argument in totality. PhDs are important but how many of the PhD graduates from asia proved their worth in industry. It's one thing to publish papers and submit a PhD thesis (yes, few very very few can do that), but that's not to say there's evidence they have also innovated, the sign of mastery.
Relevant article as to how China is transforming its economy through Science and Technology and PhDs are not lagging behind in innovation:
economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/india-and-chinas-chalk-and-cheese-approach-to-science/articleshow/53201796.cms
(Returning Chinese scientists are also helping build competitive industries. Ge Li, a brilliant organic chemist who did his PhD from Columbia University, returned to China in 2000 to set up WuXi PharmaTech as a research services provider. ...
WuXi is now a $499 million (Rs 3,433 crore) company.
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Today China is registering more patents than west . Obviously they have learnt how to innovate. Today USA is shit scared of Chinese target for mastery in many technologies by 2025. And in some areas it has started leading the world for example in technologies like 5G and mobile payment system.
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Your comment didn't aged well mate :(
Prof,, I'm a big fan of yours,,
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The world 🌎 needs brain 🧠 like yours,,
not a single european country? wtf? What about the EU?
That’s the whole of Europe not a country in Europe.
The rest of the world cried for our help and assistance, ie India, China, ME, and then when we help them they try to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Without the internet they would starve to death. Diversity and multiculturalism was the west being generous, and they took advantage. Let them develop themselves, and start living separate.
@vivspring don't get me on generalisations, it's wasn't my intent, i know very well what 'the west' has been doing for centuries, i'm euopean but i don't feel responsible as chinese in general shouldn't feel responsible for the example i put in my comment.. i'm glad a large part of asia is rising, but sometimes it feels like they learned too well from the west. i would hate to see a chinese or indian post-colonial system as i hate it what the west did and is still doing
Having children is the only way to have a future! That is the reality. A nation's policies must be based on realities not on wishful thinking. And relying on immigration to make up your population deficit is another way of secceeding your country
If China sees this as its only way out of its demographic crises then its doesn't have the necessary qualifications to become a superpower. I think ambitious China will awaken and adjust to reality ie adopt Catholic policies
that midsection there doesn't make sense..could you rephrase it...
and you do know that religion isn't the answer for china's issues either. if as you say they are having an aging problem, having more kids will likely do more harm than good. you do know that china has very limited usable land, right? it is a large country but much of it isn't suitable to support a large population. besides they can always resort to some form of immigration to deal with population
no...wtf are you talking about?
ever heard of brain drain?
"Mastery of science and technology" based on the number of PhD graduates? That's a weak argument. Academic science is not the same as science and technology at the industrial level.
When Kishore can quote some evidence on the industrial dominance by Asians, then it becomes a more reasonable argument.
Read the article i posted. There are a number of things that come into play but you need to have talent pool first that is ready and capable of innovation.
@vivspring don't call me guilty coz the leaders of my country are, i do what i can to lead a conscient and justifible life, i raised my kids in a way they would comprehend the injustice of our system and fight it
if i would critisize the us and their politics, their corporation, you would react like this
i critsize all, including my own country and this worthless EU, so don't put giult on me personally as i never ment to put guilt on 'all chinese' personally
China
This guy is not aware of what's going on around the world
drhandemir : I think he knows the world much better than you and me.
You said so because you don't know what's really going on around the world.
LMAO what are you talking about?? His words 13 years ago become prophecy now, and you're just pure ignorant using horse glasses
Keep a free Taiwan.
let's not forget that exploitation is part of the rise of asia, look what china is doing in africa, it's almost as discsuting as the post-colonial era of the sixties to the eighties
Ever heard of colonization?
West in general and Europe in particular enriched itself by colonizing much of the so called "third world". India was colonized.New research is breaking old sterotypes.
www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-stole-45-trillion-india-181206124830851.html
(There is a story that is commonly told in Britain that the colorisation of India - as horrible as it may have been - was not of any major economic benefit to Britain itself. If anything, the administration of India was a cost to Britain. So the fact that the empire was sustained for so long - the story goes - was a gesture of Britain's benevolence.
New research by the renowned economist Utsa Patnaik - just published by Columbia University Press - deals a crushing blow to this narrative.
Drawing on nearly two centuries of detailed data on tax and trade, Patnaik calculated that Britain drained a total of nearly $45 trillion from India during the period 1765 to 1938.
It's a staggering sum. For perspective, $45 trillion is 17 times more than the total annual gross domestic product of the United Kingdom today....)
Read the article to know how the Britshiters impoverished India through colonization, brutalization.
And some bastards here have the temerity to talk about human rights!
It took the US 200 years to give the black people truly their right to vote. True. On the other side, it also took the US 200 years to become the world's leading economic power.
Now, if China is so gifted in learning from others and needs only 25 years to turn a third-world-country into an economic superpower, why has there been almost no success in implementation of human rights and democracy in that timeframe? I'm not even talking about a western-style multi-party parlamentary system, just about freedom of speech and basic human rights. Is it really so hard if countrys as different as South Africa, Spain, Lithuania and Japan managed to do it? Or is it that the Communist Party simply doesn't want to share power?
China will get there at its own pace. It is a 5000 years plus civilization that was for most part of recorded history the biggest economy in the world. When it regains that stature along with military power, i am sure it will transform its country in the manner suitable to ensure prosperity, happy living for its citizens.
West seems to think its style of democracy is the best. It is not.
Also, US should stop preaching about human rights after Guantanamo Bay.
Clearly it is a joke for US to preach about human rights after Guantanamo. Haha.
The problems with Thatcher and Reagan was that they were totally incompetent, ignorant and unrealistic believing that the east and the third world would remain backward by western standards and dependant upon western economies and countries to provide for them.
They acted like that proverbial school jerk who chases after the prettiest girl in class and when she turns around and says yes to him he does not know how to handle the situation.
The west worked to undermine the Soviet Union and China and waged war in Viet Nam believing that this would destroy communism and make them invincible and infallible and they would take off from where Britain lost the empire.
They failed to focus on the reality and on history and how generations breed new minds and drive new forces. When China and the Soviet Union ditched communism for capitalism the west were caught flat footed and did not know how to react. Their anti communist narratives and gung ho capitalism turned very quickly to mirages and dust.
The communists were ready to turn capitalism into their new vehicles for development as they turned out to be tougher and more resilient than the old capitalists who were nothing more than a long line of state sponsored oligarchs with generations of political connections but little in talent.
The US and Britain did play a part in the ushering in of Deng Xiao Peng into the leadership of China believing they had another vain Gorbachev in their hands. Wrong. The Chinese and the Indians are no way like the Europeans.
The Americans and British allowed their banks and connected capitalists to run riot. They encouraged debt and to support their debt driven lifestyles they moved competitive manufacturing into the hands of the Indians, Chinese and southeast Asians.
What happened in the US and in Europe was a generation or two of kids with low work ethics and a sense of entitlement. Entitlement to a high wage low productivity lifestyle, freedoms of unionization and obfuscation where economic reality is concerned.
They preferred rock and roll and dope to study and training. The Asians took on this role and filled this gap.
Show less. The rest as they say is history. I say we are witness to the evolution of man. The US and its western allies seek war and conquest as a substitute for hard work and innovation. Today they create situations where small loud minorities destabilse their own governments claiming they are not democratic. Under that pretext alone the US will invade.
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The West is in decline since it abandoned Christianity - and followed the ludicrous secular dogmas which have left it an unworkable ageing and dying society! The same thing will happen to Asia - unless it abandons some Western so-called progressive doctrines - and adopts Catholicism.
The time for the Catholic state is approaching again - worldwide. Only this can ensue continutiy survival and civilisation.