edit: While Duskhaven won out at the time, Duskhaven had a lot of hype behind it and the community thought they would deliver big on this with some major polish to their creative server. Sadly, 3 months later, this did not pan out, and the server sits at ~100 people online down from a lag-pushing peak of somewhere between 1500-2000 players. I hope Duskhaven pulls it back, but with all honesty, you are best going to Turtle WoW as of this edit. 🐢Turtle WoW or 🦇 Duskhaven? Vote on the channel's community page here!: ruclips.net/user/postUgkxTUIQ_Nv6F9l9jiXccI6tcH__O1hJuNrl Here are some things worth adding to the pros and con list based on my talks in the comment section: 1. Turtle WoW also has dual spec for a high price - pro, even if the price is higher than Duskhaven 2. Duskhaven recently released the BWL patch - neutral, doesn't really matter as its the latest content and there's still multiple raid tiers to go. MC/Azshara crater progression is still relevant. 3. Turtle WoW only having limited class and talent changes is actually a pro to people who prefer an authentic Vanilla game, and is only a con as described in the video if you want more changes to class and talents to open up more playstyles.
Mcdoubles, do you like questing, lore, reading quests, etc? Or do you feel like you just want to get through questing as you see it as a block towards endgame? I think there are two players, one that likes to quest, level, enjoy lore, and the other that likes to pvp, and get to endgame fast. I don’t think either of these two servers are for pvpers, and there’s a reason as we can see failed servers, faction imbalances, like we saw in Classic. It comes down to Turtle for the leveling experience, or Duskhaven for the end game. But what happens to Duskhaven when it has progressed to Naxx? Will it still be active like Turtle’s leveling experience?
problem with turtle is its full on wokeness I started playing and got a 15 mute ban for literally agreeing with another comment The devs are idiots and i wouldn't risk that server after putting in time to level a toon and saying the wrong thing and getting banned
🐢 Just started on Turtle so of course I'll pick it as my go-to realm atm. I really like the slow gameplay personally. Gear lasts for longer while leveling, and as HC you are encourged to spend time doing your professions, as they are a source of gear upgrades or consumables. After doing almost everything in Classic WoW I've grown tired of the zoom zoom gotta go fast, level 60 is the only content mentality. I just wanna sit down, relax, have fun, and enjoy the journey.
I don't disagree with you at all. But this could apply to either server. Both have hard-core and reduced exp rate modes with level 60 cap. If anything Duskhaven would be better for what you described because you can have 3 professions which would give you more craft able options while taking your time leveling.
@@konnlaaednat8126 Nah, Duskhaven's hardcore option isn't as risky as Turtle wow, you don't lose your characters, HP and damage values have changed so tagging 3 mobs in Turtle is the same death sentence as in regular vanilla whereas in Duskhaven it isn't. Having 3 professions just makes everything faster and easier, which is the complete opposite to what he's saying.
@@konnlaaednat8126 Duskhaven is definitely not the same. Just by using the 3.3.5 version of the game it makes the game much easier and faster to level through. The Wrath client was optimised for the WOTLK experience, not for Vanilla. It has a lot of class balancing, the skills and talents are overtuned and the xp gain is much higher than vanilla. It is defnitely geared toward more goal oriented people to get to max level faster. Even if Duskhaven is a lv 60 Vanilla+ content, the skills and talents are those of WOTLK, up to lv 60. It's like buying an old car, but changing its engine with a super modern efficient engine that makes it go much faster. On the outside it still looks like that old car, but on the inside it is a speed demon. On Turtle WoW, the devs used the 1.12 client intentionally in order to preserve the class and skill balancing as close to vanilla as possible. All the content they added is within the spirit of vanilla and the little class banacing they tweaked is very subtle and does not break any class. However its down to preference really. Do you want a slow leveling journey focused experience like vanilla WOW? Then go Turtle. Do you want a faster more streamlined leveling experience focused more on the end game, then Duskhaven is the one for you.
Been on turtle WoW for a couple weeks and just started duskhaven today. I love classic vanilla but with the limited playtime i have I think I can experience more content on Duskhaven so I’m picking that for now.
@@SuperSinSlayer Level cap is 60 and set in the vanilla world. There is still class uniqueness despite wrath class design (which is way better than vanilla for a lot of classes). I'd say its vanilla+. The plus bringing quality of life and better class design and balance. Works for me.
Well the new High Elf capital seems to be where the harbor in WC III TFT was that Arthas departed from to Northrend unless my memory decives me. That seems kind of odd. I think there was actually a Stratholme harbor planned back in the day. If I am wrong please correct me. It has been some time. That aside I somewhat do not like the designe choice of the capital. I had perfered a more ranger village aproach in memory of the og WC III highelfen models. Both for the buildings as well as the race and equipment models. It also seems a lot less polished than most other custom areas. But I am glad to see a server that gave me my High Elf Alliance Race I asked from Blizzard for years.
Turtle. I get the idea of "I want to get to max lvl and raid with a guild, that's what the game is about" but I think the leveling part and exploring the world is my preferred experience and the fact that there are new zones makes this an instawin. But I do like where the new classes of Duskhaven are going.
@Mcdoubles Touching on your concerns regarding longevity on Duskhaven is more valid then you might realise. Noxx had/have a TBC server and it was very good! But after 1500+ hours played on it (with very low pop), it got to a point where all the added custom content more or less got out of hand. The core playerbase tried to address the issues but got little to no feedback which ended in alot of us sadly left. Hopefully though, there has been lessons learned, meaning the custom content will be supervisioned aswell as integrated more carefully. Noxx is a genius in many ways, but sometimes it goes overboard sadly. (If you're reading this, please bring back TBC as it was around -21/22 Noxx, it was at such a good state - bugs included.) ;)
after testing out both with chars at max lvl i have to stay with turtle wow, duskhaven is awesome dont get me wrong but theres still much work to do many bugs and they have to balance the classes asap i wasnt really a fan of the mythic + stuff and the gear u get there it is a bit to much custom and felt cheap to me :/ but i am sure if Noxx gets some more help on the server it will turn out great! but for now turtle it is!
turtle wow sounded amazing but the Un adjustable exp rate and very toxic staff scared me off of ever trying it sadly as it prolly did for most pserver players
@@brianwill5493 i never experienced the staff as toxic :O fast ticket response and immediatly help if a quest buggs out. but yea every server has some black sheeps in the staff nothing new still 100x times better than any whitekidney server :D i agree with you about the exp rates i hop they will do something in that direction.
Honestly? Im having an absolute blast on Turtle WOW HC. You know why? I have no intention of getting to max level and doing end game content. I've enjoyed every second of leveling, reading all the quests, taking in the lore of the zones both old and new, keeping up two primary and all secondary pofessions to my level, some fun RP every now and then and actually ACTUALLY taking things slow. The leveling to me IS the game in vanilla or at least 70%. And after wathing this video, getting in to any end game on this server seems like a pain anyways. They don't currenty have HC raiding on the server cause once you get to level 60, you get a title and som other stuff and then you can die as normal. HC raids would solve the issue of people having to start raiding from tier 1 again.
Games like Total Annihilation and Baldurs gate 2, 25 years ago had soundtracks that accelerated and combat and slowed down based on whether you were in building mode or a a combat mode, exploring or fighting ... so the music didn't get repetitive.
I just started on Turtle. The new client does sound good, but it doesn't feel like vanilla. Plus, Turtle has High Elves. I wanted that in 2004 but never got it. Now I am happy :D
Just joined duskhaven yesterday. Looks very good. I prefer the lvling speed and I like the idea of having new classes and newer talent trees. Wish there was a pvp scene and hope the pvp picks up.
That's my main issue with duskhaven you sitting hours for bg queues. In the other hand turtle queues are faster but most of the times you one shoot from naxx geared players in other words you can't win both of the servers need pvp love from the developers
I never had that much interactions with players in an MMO than in Turtle wow, very beginner friendly, love it. Plus, you can add HD patch it's very easy.
I never played on Turtle, but for Duskhaven I can say that it has lag problems, random disconnects and server restarts, which can often ruin dungeon run/raid or whatever you are doing. I like new classes and I cant wait to try bard, also I like extra zones/quests and rebalance of classes. Seeing the comments here, I am going to check on Turtlewow, looks cool from what I have read.
TW is actually vanilla expanded. Duskhaven is a fun server since there's no balance and class mechanics aren't anywhere near what should be for vanilla, just the names. But that's ok. To each their own. Personally I'll stick to TW exactly because they have "no rush" chill mentality and I don't NEED to jump ASAP into Naxx to farm gear on no end.
@@brianwill5493 like what? Red the rules only twice. Had no problems with GMs or admins like forever. Reported some bugs and gold-sellers a couple of times and that's it. People start to break rules left and right getting banned daily. That's way better than what Blizzard had become.
There's a working turtle wow HD patch, it has some quirks but its better than other ones made for 1.12 that lag the crap out or give runtime errors after a while. The bugs that might happen are wierd textured faces and such but very rarely I've seen it. It visually helps A LOT especially on the mounts part. And as a hunter, the hunter epic weapons look a billion times better.
As far as TWoW class changes.... Paladins, Druids, and Priests were the most absolutely stupid meme specs in vanilla. Class changes made feral dps and balance dps fun to play and decent, and made feral tanking and resto druid better. Paladin tanking was not really a thing, but now it's definitely good. Ret was a meme spec, but now they swing the light hard. Shadow priests and Oomkins now don't go oom after 1.5 minutes. The classes that you say didn't get as much love got more love from Blizzard from the start. Warriors did get thunderclap in defensive stance, which is really nice. The arcane tree for mages got buffed so that new 60s can jump right into raids as arcane, give their groups amazing buffs, and pump out decent dmg without the need for much spell hit. Warlocks... sorry, you are screwed on spell hit. Enhancement shammies, sorry, your dps still sucks, but you get some nice CDs like wolves and stuff now. The only part of the class changes I HATE is that to make ret paladins decent on the dmg meters for pve, they made them completely broken in pvp. No one has holy resistance - they rip through high armor classes like butter, while having great armor mitigation and bubbles to keep themselves safe. Ret was never really in trouble, and could already hold its own in pvp. Just watch Esfand. Oh well, I didnt' join the server to pvp all day anyway.
I tried Duskhaven and the the DDoS attacks were nearly constant. It was just insane. When I was playing it i had some fun but it isn't worth the hassle right now. Turtle WoW is a nice pace however and much more my style
Duskhaven needs so much balancing and tuning but it's insanely good. The mythics are great but like I said balancing and tuning is in so much need. But man Noxx is insanely good
I love duskhaven but I don't know if I could really call it vanilla plus. It's more like wotlk+ in a vanilla world. Vanilla plus should add some content and quality of life but not to the extent where it becomes like wotlk or retail
Definitely duskhaven. I LOVE the benefits of wotlk like increased bar speed, better balancing etc. within vanilla content. Its just perfect and somehow it's what I always wanted in a private vanila server. 🎉 VERY looking forward to dwarf bards!
@@Anudorini-Talah dont want to be rude, but balanced is Warrior tank being the only thing viable? try to ask for invite as paladin tank lol, the changes they made didnt change classic hard meta
Like the video, however when you mention con about the graphics on Turtle Wow. I think using the Troll with the model that was messed up because of the HD patch was unfair.
I didn't even remember that it was because of a bug with the HD patch. But honestly, the point still stands, the graphics are definitely worse than Duskhaven
Turtle WoW seemed like something I was gonna try out, but hearing that the server is on a 3yr release point... I'll take a hard pass. Mostly interested in lvling up with the pack as you described.
Well I had my progress on the official Blizz Classic Servers so I do not see that as a problem. It's nothing new after all. And with a lot of new players rolling in there are all the players you need to do all the raids in order I think. Unless you plan on playing PvP of cause.
Yooooo I was the tank in the Azshara raid :D. Man, that was a learning experiance. We managed to take down all the bosses except Furblog, his orbs bugged and we couldn't get to him again :(. Cool raid nonetheless, I have never seen that part of Azeroth before :D.
seing the slow lvling on Turtle wow as a con can be debatable and up to each of their own. Some people really enjoy llving and once they hit lvl 60 they dont know what to do and simply just raid log. I would argue that Classic is allmost all about the lvling experience and not reaching lvl 60... hopefully one day that will change on Duskhaven and Turtle wow with more implemented custom endgame content and systems.
Hello Mcdoubles and chat whats your unbiased opinions about turtle wow pvp? im a casual gamer those days with kids and job and as much i love to i dont have enough time to spend like back in the day for wow and im worried if is a waste of time. My mai concern is some people was telling me if you hit max level the bgs are un playable because is full of players with naxx gear or other pve gear and im kinda confused as well the pvp rank start from level 10 or max level? Thanks in advance for any reply i would really appreciate it
that's kinda why most of these servers fail they are low rate exp so not many players come only the elitists mainly and some use it just to enjoy the leveling process on so they dont attract new players to do lower tiered raids or dungeons high rates however make everyone even casual players willing to re level new chars even servers like retro-wow that is instant 60 fun server have a easy progression and catchup mechanics so you can get at least a few piece naxx gear and gear to BG and you can outskill a full naxx player if you play it right sometimes its still mostly a stomp though at that point and it can be a stomp if you see op players on mainly mages or holy pallys or rogues/druids who flag run for fun lol
Duskhaven doesn't feel like Vanilla+ it feels like WotLK-. Now I am not saying this is a bad thing. I love WotLK and I came in expecting WotLK and I got WotLK It is essentially a level 60 twink WotlK server With all the negatives and positives that come with that. For example talent trees are insanely boring right now because you can't experiment much with WotLK talent trees but only 51 points. Especially with their added talents they have become even tighter
Dang I have a complete opposite experience on my three 60s right now because there are different playstyles to look at as well. Monks, DH's, Tinkers, 2H Enhancement, Dual Wield Ret, and other similarly powerful additions make it feel fresh and exciting to me. I know what you mean by not being able to effectively go down another tree because you have to dedicate all of your talents to one tree to get that 51 point talent, but I really think that's pretty minor. You couldn't expect much different from original Vanilla, except this one is better.
@@Mcdoubles It is minor but it is about feeling here. This feels like WotLK not like Vanilla. Or in a way the focus on the best parts of Vanilla while taking all the quality of life and class balance/feel from WotlK. I think if someone comes into Duskhaven expecting Vanilla feel they will end up dissappointed. But if they expect something like a Vanilla through WotLK they will end up liking it.
Another con for TurtleWoW is that the rules enforcement is very strict, they play favorites with donors and they say they allow appeals, but that doesn't seem to be the case. If you're dead set on playing there, DO NOT TALK POLITICS IN WORLD CHAT OR NEWCOMERS! They will ban you if they are in the mood to. I got a 3 hour chat ban where I had to serve the sentence in game for 3 real time hours, so I went to the forums to ask why, got forum banned, then noticed I couldn't log in, my friend who I live with couldn't log in even though he hadn't played for a week, so that means I got IP banned and when I tried to use the discord I was told to send an email, immediately got Discord banned upon refreshing discord and my email has not been answered to this day (I sent it on jan 2nd got banned on new years). I think the only reason I can even still log in now, is because my IP has changed. But was there any further communication beyond "you have been muted for 3 hours"? Nope. Absolutely none whatsoever. BEWARE! They are not reasonable.
Having played in the server for a year now and personally having interacted with GMs i highly doubt that your ban wasnt justified. Also being brand new in a server and going straight into talking politics is not a smart move. 'BEWARE! They are not reasonable.' lol ok, read the rules next time
@@valakktoo4145 being set in vanilla is quite a strech when all left from vanilla is the map and zones. The reason people want vanilla is with its struggles and the investment in leveling period - unfortunately when you get to max level in 15 hours youre missing out on 90 % of the content of the world.
@@Gemall I disagree on the investment in leveling period. SOME want that, sure. And for them it's great that Turtle WoW exists. But not everyone who wants vanilla wants that.
@@Nain000 We'll have to agree to disagree. If a server is 99% vanilla (everything except the awful leveling rate) then I, and I'd venture the majority of people, would still refer to it as vanilla. Also if I'm not mistaken Turtle WoW is already not vanilla.
@@RUclipsCommentor1 I’ve used that guide. Several times. I’ve used the site. I’ve made sure to download the right clients. I’ve tried both google clients and the back up clients. I’ve been very meticulous. I keep getting error 132. No matter what. I’ve updated drivers. Nothing. So I was content to wait on a launcher.
Personally it comes down to leveling speed for me and I just can't do classic x1 XP. Plus duskhavens shaman tank is just too much fun 😊 Didn't realize how much extra stuff was in turtle but I still can't deal with slow leveling
There are two ways to speed leveling. Tents give you up to 150% rested xp while leveling, and if you do the warmode challenge, it increases leveling speed by like 25% I think? However, you are flagged for pvp at all times. There are only a handful of "warmode is a choice" gankers. I usually just pass lowbies by and wave.
30% More Xp while being pvp flagged - Warmode 150% Rested Xp due to craftable tents which takes less than 15 minutes to get full rested X More Xp per area since there are much more quests
After doing both, I'd say if you are there for pure vanilla+ experience go for Turtle wow. If you want an alternative progress of older versions of wow (vanilla tbc wrath) go for Duskhaven. Turtle wow is alot more polished as an RP project and deep outside of standard vanilla progress. After Naxx it's supposed to be a horizontal progression and it's client has alot of limitation. Leveling speed and doing end game vertical progression Duskhaven pulls ahead as it is a 3.3.5 also more addon and customisation and forward client support. Ideally if they merged into one project with turtle wow world building, better exp rate, accommodation of the newer specs and newer more supported client it'd be stellar.
My dude, when you get to 60 on TWoW, the only way you'll feel as if you are being handed gear is if you join an established raid guild with high raids on farm. Don't do that! There are only 2-3 guilds pushing deep into Naxx right now. There have been others, but lots of guilds kill KT and take a long vacation afterwards, breaking apart. Find another one that's running ZG, AQ20, and MC each week, and take your time! I shake my head when I see some dude in 3 pieces of T3 with no shoulder enchant because he never bothered getting ZG rep. I have been playing the same toon for 2 years, and I just started in AQ40. Yeah, I see some folks running around town with amazing gear, but I'll get there, ya know? It's a pve server, so those big bad meanies can't hurt you unless you jump into a bg or turn war mode on. Turtle wow is called Turtle for a reason. It's not going anywhere - just level and raid at your own pace, and take it all in!
The thing I like the most in my mmorpg is to immerse myself in its world. So having a small player and mob rendering range is a big cock block for me. I really think duskhaven should double, no, triple the rendering radius since it doesn't have any negetive impact until the server pop reaches around 4.5k.
Increasing the render distance would load the server even more and it's already absurdly laggy every evening. Until they fix the unbearable lag, they shouldn't touch the render distance. I wonder why the lag wasn't mentioned in this video, it's a major con for Duskhaven and there's no fix for it in the horizon.
Is the Duskhaven really fresh(1 week atm of the video)? Because on their website, there is a timeline showing it's almost 5 mothes online(MC opened 9th of November)
Hey, the guidelines says "Don't be a jack" but my real-life first name is Jack.... please don't ban me. I can't change my legal first name. I'm currently playing TWoW in Australia and the Que times are huge! Like, on Sunday, it was 7000 player que for the English speaking server.... What is Duskhaven like?
To my knowledge they use a very ancient Vanilla client and that it even has specific limitations to it because of their choice to use it. But I don't know the proper private server lingo to explain it properly off the top of my head.
I'm treating Turtle WoW super differently than I normally would for a vanilla server.. Usually I would pick one class and race to 60.. But now I've made err 7 characters and lvling them together, sharing their loot and lvling proffessions.. The goal isn't for all the characters to hit 60, and if I don't hit 60 on any of them.. eh I'm having fun doing something different.. And even if I hit 60 with one, its more to see the content and see what vanilla + can do. If they made a Fresh server it would be different.
For someone who likes to do some RP when not doing dungeon/raid stuff all the time, and actually care for the lore (and REALLY disliking what Blizzard has done), TurtleWoW was a safe bet when I started in 2023 and still liking it! It's also weird by the fact that unlike Blizzard servers, non-RPers seem to respect the RP going on and never really interrupts it.
Wife as been playing Turtle wow and its basically crashing and locking her pc, just started playing duskhaven but not enough to decide which is better. been taking a break from WOW private servers TBH.
I love Turtle WoW. Because it's so slow. I really missed the slow leveling and the exploring of areas. I even got the turtle glyph in the beginning which only give you 50% exp from killing mobs. This way it's even slower^^ But I like exactly this.
Between the incredibly slow levelling speed and the starting areas being flooded with players, I stopped playing TurtleWoW. Downloading Duskhaven rn, looking forward to it!
I feel like duskheavan has an alliance advantage due to how Manet people are playing that side. In turtle wow, it feels like both sides are pretty well populated. The population in duskheavan because if your are doing dungeons as horse, you will almost never get any horse dungeons and therefore never be able to do the quests for the horse dungeons unless you que for the specific dungeon but then it takes a lot longer to que since people are trying to do specific alliance dungeons. It is mildly frustrating as a horse player.
One con of Duskhaven is that it uses talent trees meant for level 80 with a max of level 60. It gives you very little freedom or wiggle room with your specs. It would benefit from either reduced talent point costs for multi point talents or a means of getting extra talent points.
I think, for me, I never even thought about it because even in original Vanilla you often couldn't do much with the extra talent points you had. For many classes it was just pointless extra stuff in another tree, and in the situations where you skip a last point talent in Vanilla and go into two trees you can still do that on Duskhaven, theoretically. I think because glyphs are in the game it also helps with that too. Glyphs are something that can be expanded upon in place of talents to help specs or playstyles out. But in terms of it not feeling as "cookie cutter" you're dead-on because Vanilla gives the illusion of immense choice that you don't get in a game where you can only reach the final talent in a spec by going all the way down the tree and using all of your points.
This is true. It is very noticeable in the mage tree atleast, if you don't want to run out of mana you got to spend 10 points in the arcane tree for clearcasting. 5 of which are of very little value if you're not going deep arcane. With a few more points or simply enough a reshuffle of the tree itself would allow for alot more possibilities for builds. Haven't tried other classes but I reckon it is the same with for example locks and druids which also have received little changes.
I chose Turtle for now. but Duskhaven looks very promising. I'm just really big on performance. I do not like my immersion getting ruined by DCs and constant lag. If duskhaven improves performance wise, I will have found my forever home, as the first 2 expansions to me are still vanilla wow. even if people disagree, you have to understand that Blizzard has always had expansions for their games and Burning Crusade and WotL are masterpieces. but like McDouble said in the video, if thery were to go beyond that and do Cataclysm and any others than that wouldnt be vanilla wow to me anymore.
A massive con for me right now is that their special specs can't Q as their special specs. Hunter (Tinkerer), Shaman, Priest (Monk), and Rogue (Demon Hunter) can't queue as tanks. So when they create bard, is it going to be fucked as well? We'll see.
Turtle being x1 is what keeps me away. I leveled on Vanilla so much that I don't feel like spending so much time leveling on x1 again. X2 makes such massive difference
@@annekekramer3835 No, It's about 1.7 and it's vanilla 1.7 xp rates. Not wrath xp rates. So It's still about a month of casual gameplay(4-5 hours per day). Turtle is for the sweaty people , who don't have obligations to a family/job etc. And don't have much responsibility. I got about 2-3 hours to play per day after work. Duskhaven is literally a safe haven for people who want nostalgia plus a little bit more. Without much effort. I don't need a guild for world bosses, raids etc. People are constantly pugging all content. Everyone is friendly. I didn't run into almost any elitists, and that's a good thing. If they are there, they don't mingle.
Custom Highelf and Goblin races Aka Blood elf was ported to alliance and Goblin was enabled for horde, they're the exact same realistically. Duskhavens the better server by far, but lacking in manpower and unfortunately downtime is abundant due to incessant DDOS attacks. if they get them under control before they lose another 1000 players. They might just shine a little brighter.
There's thing that I really dislike about Turtle WoW. Custom music, the weather effects, and the lack of graphic options (no shadows) makes the world feel both flat and unfamiliar. The custom races feel wonky too, but mostly, it's for sure just the graphical/weather effects that are my biggest gripe. The game just never looks right. It feels like I'm constantly experiencing the Mandela effect, in a bad way.
@@Mcdoubles What do you define vanilla as? To me and I think most people would be the base game. WotLK isnt vanilla, BC isnt vanilla. And i think vanilla+ is the concept of taking that classic game and adding content to it what blizzard circa 2005 would have created. Theres an excellent dodgykebaab video on exactly this.
Not sure if it matters or not. But Humans still retain their rep bonuses, and the talents have 'hidden' capstones and Im unsure if they are bugs or not, but a lot of things that would be talented later are just baseline like Second Wind for Warriors just being baseline (and a talent option at the same time) or Regrowth while staying in Cat Form (which would normally be a capstone later on).
edit: While Duskhaven won out at the time, Duskhaven had a lot of hype behind it and the community thought they would deliver big on this with some major polish to their creative server. Sadly, 3 months later, this did not pan out, and the server sits at ~100 people online down from a lag-pushing peak of somewhere between 1500-2000 players. I hope Duskhaven pulls it back, but with all honesty, you are best going to Turtle WoW as of this edit.
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Here are some things worth adding to the pros and con list based on my talks in the comment section:
1. Turtle WoW also has dual spec for a high price - pro, even if the price is higher than Duskhaven
2. Duskhaven recently released the BWL patch - neutral, doesn't really matter as its the latest content and there's still multiple raid tiers to go. MC/Azshara crater progression is still relevant.
3. Turtle WoW only having limited class and talent changes is actually a pro to people who prefer an authentic Vanilla game, and is only a con as described in the video if you want more changes to class and talents to open up more playstyles.
turtle better
Mcdoubles, do you like questing, lore, reading quests, etc? Or do you feel like you just want to get through questing as you see it as a block towards endgame?
I think there are two players, one that likes to quest, level, enjoy lore, and the other that likes to pvp, and get to endgame fast.
I don’t think either of these two servers are for pvpers, and there’s a reason as we can see failed servers, faction imbalances, like we saw in Classic.
It comes down to Turtle for the leveling experience, or Duskhaven for the end game. But what happens to Duskhaven when it has progressed to Naxx? Will it still be active like Turtle’s leveling experience?
problem with turtle is its full on wokeness
I started playing and got a 15 mute ban for literally agreeing with another comment
The devs are idiots and i wouldn't risk that server after putting in time to level a toon and saying the wrong thing and getting banned
@@joeconnolly89 yeah this guy is lying and he did something worthy of a mute.
So on turtle pvp is dead ? People dont play pvp 😢?
🐢 Just started on Turtle so of course I'll pick it as my go-to realm atm. I really like the slow gameplay personally. Gear lasts for longer while leveling, and as HC you are encourged to spend time doing your professions, as they are a source of gear upgrades or consumables. After doing almost everything in Classic WoW I've grown tired of the zoom zoom gotta go fast, level 60 is the only content mentality. I just wanna sit down, relax, have fun, and enjoy the journey.
I don't disagree with you at all. But this could apply to either server. Both have hard-core and reduced exp rate modes with level 60 cap. If anything Duskhaven would be better for what you described because you can have 3 professions which would give you more craft able options while taking your time leveling.
Same @person
love it as well so much 🎉
@@konnlaaednat8126 Nah, Duskhaven's hardcore option isn't as risky as Turtle wow, you don't lose your characters, HP and damage values have changed so tagging 3 mobs in Turtle is the same death sentence as in regular vanilla whereas in Duskhaven it isn't.
Having 3 professions just makes everything faster and easier, which is the complete opposite to what he's saying.
@@konnlaaednat8126 Duskhaven is definitely not the same. Just by using the 3.3.5 version of the game it makes the game much easier and faster to level through. The Wrath client was optimised for the WOTLK experience, not for Vanilla. It has a lot of class balancing, the skills and talents are overtuned and the xp gain is much higher than vanilla. It is defnitely geared toward more goal oriented people to get to max level faster.
Even if Duskhaven is a lv 60 Vanilla+ content, the skills and talents are those of WOTLK, up to lv 60. It's like buying an old car, but changing its engine with a super modern efficient engine that makes it go much faster. On the outside it still looks like that old car, but on the inside it is a speed demon.
On Turtle WoW, the devs used the 1.12 client intentionally in order to preserve the class and skill balancing as close to vanilla as possible. All the content they added is within the spirit of vanilla and the little class banacing they tweaked is very subtle and does not break any class.
However its down to preference really. Do you want a slow leveling journey focused experience like vanilla WOW? Then go Turtle. Do you want a faster more streamlined leveling experience focused more on the end game, then Duskhaven is the one for you.
Been on turtle WoW for a couple weeks and just started duskhaven today. I love classic vanilla but with the limited playtime i have I think I can experience more content on Duskhaven so I’m picking that for now.
Duskhaven is not vanilla. If you seek the vanilla experience, Duskhaven is not it.
@@SuperSinSlayer Level cap is 60 and set in the vanilla world. There is still class uniqueness despite wrath class design (which is way better than vanilla for a lot of classes). I'd say its vanilla+. The plus bringing quality of life and better class design and balance. Works for me.
Duskhaven feels more like "Wrath Of The Vanilla"
feels like "instanced vanilla"
Turtle. Love the teams philosophy and keeping it lore accurate while adding so much.
Well the new High Elf capital seems to be where the harbor in WC III TFT was that Arthas departed from to Northrend unless my memory decives me. That seems kind of odd. I think there was actually a Stratholme harbor planned back in the day. If I am wrong please correct me. It has been some time.
That aside I somewhat do not like the designe choice of the capital. I had perfered a more ranger village aproach in memory of the og WC III highelfen models. Both for the buildings as well as the race and equipment models. It also seems a lot less polished than most other custom areas. But I am glad to see a server that gave me my High Elf Alliance Race I asked from Blizzard for years.
turtle wow has a toxic staff they say though do your research
woke philosophy you mean
@@brianwill5493 yup the devs are so woke you cant finish the characters without being banned for some obscure reason
@@joeconnolly89 to be fair, 90% of the ppl that say they were banned for ''no appearent reason'' were banned for a pretty appearent reason
Turtle for long term , better stablished server, more vanilla like experience. Great comunity.
Awesome comunity
Agree 💯but without dungeon finder i couldn't continue..how to deal with this
Love turtle wow, only Vanilla+ id ever accept. But man i wished they went to a WOTLK client.
Turtle. I get the idea of "I want to get to max lvl and raid with a guild, that's what the game is about" but I think the leveling part and exploring the world is my preferred experience and the fact that there are new zones makes this an instawin. But I do like where the new classes of Duskhaven are going.
Agree..but what about dungeon finder?and transfer to dungeon in turtle wow
@Mcdoubles
Touching on your concerns regarding longevity on Duskhaven is more valid then you might realise.
Noxx had/have a TBC server and it was very good! But after 1500+ hours played on it (with very low pop), it got to a point where all the added custom content more or less got out of hand.
The core playerbase tried to address the issues but got little to no feedback which ended in alot of us sadly left.
Hopefully though, there has been lessons learned, meaning the custom content will be supervisioned aswell as integrated more carefully.
Noxx is a genius in many ways, but sometimes it goes overboard sadly.
(If you're reading this, please bring back TBC as it was around -21/22 Noxx, it was at such a good state - bugs included.) ;)
after testing out both with chars at max lvl i have to stay with turtle wow, duskhaven is awesome dont get me wrong but theres still much work to do many bugs and they have to balance the classes asap i wasnt really a fan of the mythic + stuff and the gear u get there it is a bit to much custom and felt cheap to me :/ but i am sure if Noxx gets some more help on the server it will turn out great! but for now turtle it is!
turtle wow sounded amazing but the Un adjustable exp rate and very toxic staff scared me off of ever trying it sadly as it prolly did for most pserver players
@@brianwill5493 i never experienced the staff as toxic :O fast ticket response and immediatly help if a quest buggs out. but yea every server has some black sheeps in the staff nothing new still 100x times better than any whitekidney server :D i agree with you about the exp rates i hop they will do something in that direction.
Honestly? Im having an absolute blast on Turtle WOW HC. You know why? I have no intention of getting to max level and doing end game content. I've enjoyed every second of leveling, reading all the quests, taking in the lore of the zones both old and new, keeping up two primary and all secondary pofessions to my level, some fun RP every now and then and actually ACTUALLY taking things slow. The leveling to me IS the game in vanilla or at least 70%. And after wathing this video, getting in to any end game on this server seems like a pain anyways. They don't currenty have HC raiding on the server cause once you get to level 60, you get a title and som other stuff and then you can die as normal. HC raids would solve the issue of people having to start raiding from tier 1 again.
Games like Total Annihilation and Baldurs gate 2, 25 years ago had soundtracks that accelerated and combat and slowed down based on whether you were in building mode or a a combat mode, exploring or fighting ... so the music didn't get repetitive.
... Boy you really just felt like saying something.
I got brain damage from Kalonline 10sec repetetive game music playing 8h a day, I still sometimes hear that music playing in my head... fck that
I just started on Turtle. The new client does sound good, but it doesn't feel like vanilla. Plus, Turtle has High Elves. I wanted that in 2004 but never got it. Now I am happy :D
Just joined duskhaven yesterday. Looks very good. I prefer the lvling speed and I like the idea of having new classes and newer talent trees. Wish there was a pvp scene and hope the pvp picks up.
That's my main issue with duskhaven you sitting hours for bg queues. In the other hand turtle queues are faster but most of the times you one shoot from naxx geared players in other words you can't win both of the servers need pvp love from the developers
I never had that much interactions with players in an MMO than in Turtle wow, very beginner friendly, love it. Plus, you can add HD patch it's very easy.
Downloading the HD patch has caused all the creatures from Patch A to become geometry
I never played on Turtle, but for Duskhaven I can say that it has lag problems, random disconnects and server restarts, which can often ruin dungeon run/raid or whatever you are doing. I like new classes and I cant wait to try bard, also I like extra zones/quests and rebalance of classes. Seeing the comments here, I am going to check on Turtlewow, looks cool from what I have read.
I started turtle wow a few weeks ago but duskhaven sounds dopeeee. Think I’m gonna switch.
Thank you , thats exactly that i was wondering as i was researching both servers and couldn't choose ^^
TW is actually vanilla expanded. Duskhaven is a fun server since there's no balance and class mechanics aren't anywhere near what should be for vanilla, just the names. But that's ok. To each their own. Personally I'll stick to TW exactly because they have "no rush" chill mentality and I don't NEED to jump ASAP into Naxx to farm gear on no end.
even though the staff bans people for little to no reason?
@@brianwill5493 like what? Red the rules only twice. Had no problems with GMs or admins like forever. Reported some bugs and gold-sellers a couple of times and that's it. People start to break rules left and right getting banned daily. That's way better than what Blizzard had become.
Love the vid my guy, I've been watching all the duskhaven content and can't wait for the launcher
There's a working turtle wow HD patch, it has some quirks but its better than other ones made for 1.12 that lag the crap out or give runtime errors after a while. The bugs that might happen are wierd textured faces and such but very rarely I've seen it.
It visually helps A LOT especially on the mounts part. And as a hunter, the hunter epic weapons look a billion times better.
Where do I find this?
Turtle wow - Population is around 5500-6000 on average now. There is an excellent Turtle HD addon that provides Legion era graphics.
As far as TWoW class changes.... Paladins, Druids, and Priests were the most absolutely stupid meme specs in vanilla. Class changes made feral dps and balance dps fun to play and decent, and made feral tanking and resto druid better. Paladin tanking was not really a thing, but now it's definitely good. Ret was a meme spec, but now they swing the light hard. Shadow priests and Oomkins now don't go oom after 1.5 minutes. The classes that you say didn't get as much love got more love from Blizzard from the start. Warriors did get thunderclap in defensive stance, which is really nice. The arcane tree for mages got buffed so that new 60s can jump right into raids as arcane, give their groups amazing buffs, and pump out decent dmg without the need for much spell hit. Warlocks... sorry, you are screwed on spell hit. Enhancement shammies, sorry, your dps still sucks, but you get some nice CDs like wolves and stuff now. The only part of the class changes I HATE is that to make ret paladins decent on the dmg meters for pve, they made them completely broken in pvp. No one has holy resistance - they rip through high armor classes like butter, while having great armor mitigation and bubbles to keep themselves safe. Ret was never really in trouble, and could already hold its own in pvp. Just watch Esfand. Oh well, I didnt' join the server to pvp all day anyway.
I tried Duskhaven and the the DDoS attacks were nearly constant. It was just insane. When I was playing it i had some fun but it isn't worth the hassle right now. Turtle WoW is a nice pace however and much more my style
But how u dealing with no dungeon finder in turtle wow??
not even a question - turtle for vanilla + experience, duskhaven for retail like instace based game
Duskhaven needs so much balancing and tuning but it's insanely good. The mythics are great but like I said balancing and tuning is in so much need. But man Noxx is insanely good
to do mythics, retail is better
Is it Na or EU?
I love duskhaven but I don't know if I could really call it vanilla plus. It's more like wotlk+ in a vanilla world. Vanilla plus should add some content and quality of life but not to the extent where it becomes like wotlk or retail
Definitely duskhaven. I LOVE the benefits of wotlk like increased bar speed, better balancing etc. within vanilla content. Its just perfect and somehow it's what I always wanted in a private vanila server. 🎉
VERY looking forward to dwarf bards!
DUskhave isnt balanced. Turtle wow is better
@@Anudorini-Talah dont want to be rude, but balanced is Warrior tank being the only thing viable? try to ask for invite as paladin tank lol, the changes they made didnt change classic hard meta
Like the video, however when you mention con about the graphics on Turtle Wow. I think using the Troll with the model that was messed up because of the HD patch was unfair.
I didn't even remember that it was because of a bug with the HD patch. But honestly, the point still stands, the graphics are definitely worse than Duskhaven
@@Mcdoubles Fair enough. Thanks for the response regardless.
Turtle WoW seemed like something I was gonna try out, but hearing that the server is on a 3yr release point... I'll take a hard pass. Mostly interested in lvling up with the pack as you described.
Yup. Way to far progressed. It’s about the journey not the destination
Well I had my progress on the official Blizz Classic Servers so I do not see that as a problem. It's nothing new after all. And with a lot of new players rolling in there are all the players you need to do all the raids in order I think. Unless you plan on playing PvP of cause.
Stormforge will lunch a brand new "Netherwing" TBC+ (pvp) server in next 2 days. Maybe this will makes you happy...
Yooooo I was the tank in the Azshara raid :D. Man, that was a learning experiance. We managed to take down all the bosses except Furblog, his orbs bugged and we couldn't get to him again :(. Cool raid nonetheless, I have never seen that part of Azeroth before :D.
seing the slow lvling on Turtle wow as a con can be debatable and up to each of their own. Some people really enjoy llving and once they hit lvl 60 they dont know what to do and simply just raid log. I would argue that Classic is allmost all about the lvling experience and not reaching lvl 60... hopefully one day that will change on Duskhaven and Turtle wow with more implemented custom endgame content and systems.
really well done video, thanks for the info. I was looking for something like this.
Hello Mcdoubles and chat whats your unbiased opinions about turtle wow pvp? im a casual gamer those days with kids and job and as much i love to i dont have enough time to spend like back in the day for wow and im worried if is a waste of time. My mai concern is some people was telling me if you hit max level the bgs are un playable because is full of players with naxx gear or other pve gear and im kinda confused as well the pvp rank start from level 10 or max level? Thanks in advance for any reply i would really appreciate it
that's kinda why most of these servers fail they are low rate exp so not many players come only the elitists mainly and some use it just to enjoy the leveling process on so they dont attract new players to do lower tiered raids or dungeons high rates however make everyone even casual players willing to re level new chars even servers like retro-wow that is instant 60 fun server have a easy progression and catchup mechanics so you can get at least a few piece naxx gear and gear to BG and you can outskill a full naxx player if you play it right sometimes its still mostly a stomp though at that point and it can be a stomp if you see op players on mainly mages or holy pallys or rogues/druids who flag run for fun lol
@@brianwill5493 this is so true thank you for the reply
Duskhaven doesn't feel like Vanilla+ it feels like WotLK-.
Now I am not saying this is a bad thing. I love WotLK and I came in expecting WotLK and I got WotLK
It is essentially a level 60 twink WotlK server
With all the negatives and positives that come with that.
For example talent trees are insanely boring right now because you can't experiment much with WotLK talent trees but only 51 points. Especially with their added talents they have become even tighter
Dang I have a complete opposite experience on my three 60s right now because there are different playstyles to look at as well. Monks, DH's, Tinkers, 2H Enhancement, Dual Wield Ret, and other similarly powerful additions make it feel fresh and exciting to me. I know what you mean by not being able to effectively go down another tree because you have to dedicate all of your talents to one tree to get that 51 point talent, but I really think that's pretty minor. You couldn't expect much different from original Vanilla, except this one is better.
@@Mcdoubles It is minor but it is about feeling here. This feels like WotLK not like Vanilla.
Or in a way the focus on the best parts of Vanilla while taking all the quality of life and class balance/feel from WotlK.
I think if someone comes into Duskhaven expecting Vanilla feel they will end up dissappointed. But if they expect something like a Vanilla through WotLK they will end up liking it.
Another con for TurtleWoW is that the rules enforcement is very strict, they play favorites with donors and they say they allow appeals, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
If you're dead set on playing there, DO NOT TALK POLITICS IN WORLD CHAT OR NEWCOMERS! They will ban you if they are in the mood to. I got a 3 hour chat ban where I had to serve the sentence in game for 3 real time hours, so I went to the forums to ask why, got forum banned, then noticed I couldn't log in, my friend who I live with couldn't log in even though he hadn't played for a week, so that means I got IP banned and when I tried to use the discord I was told to send an email, immediately got Discord banned upon refreshing discord and my email has not been answered to this day (I sent it on jan 2nd got banned on new years). I think the only reason I can even still log in now, is because my IP has changed. But was there any further communication beyond "you have been muted for 3 hours"? Nope. Absolutely none whatsoever.
BEWARE! They are not reasonable.
Having played in the server for a year now and personally having interacted with GMs i highly doubt that your ban wasnt justified. Also being brand new in a server and going straight into talking politics is not a smart move. 'BEWARE! They are not reasonable.' lol ok, read the rules next time
There is a Warlords Of Draenor texture pack for Turtle wow. Voiced quest addon is also working.
I appreciate your existence as well, keep on existing!
Duskhaven isn't vanilla it's wotlk. Turtle is vanilla +. It's very different
Wotlk client but its set in Vanilla
@@valakktoo4145 being set in vanilla is quite a strech when all left from vanilla is the map and zones. The reason people want vanilla is with its struggles and the investment in leveling period - unfortunately when you get to max level in 15 hours youre missing out on 90 % of the content of the world.
@@Gemall I disagree on the investment in leveling period. SOME want that, sure. And for them it's great that Turtle WoW exists. But not everyone who wants vanilla wants that.
@@Mad-Lad-Chad agreed. But then its not vanilla, its a custom wow server.
@@Nain000 We'll have to agree to disagree. If a server is 99% vanilla (everything except the awful leveling rate) then I, and I'd venture the majority of people, would still refer to it as vanilla. Also if I'm not mistaken Turtle WoW is already not vanilla.
@mcdoubles Which addons are you using for your UI ? Or maybe do a video for addons
Great video doubles! i Agree with pretty much everything you said
I started on turtle wow some days ago and i dont care that it is over 3 years old :D It is awesome :D
May i suggest a video topic: Mods like vainillatweaks, vainillafixes, DXVK. It really helps with microstutters, QoL and general performance.
Playing on turtle wow, great time, want to play on dusk but im waiting for the launcher
I hope they make a launcher soon. I can’t even log on duskhaven and I’ve followed every direction
Same bro same...
@@RUclipsCommentor1 I tried but to no avail...just waiting for a launcher if it's gonna be in a few days
@@RUclipsCommentor1 I’ve used that guide. Several times. I’ve used the site. I’ve made sure to download the right clients. I’ve tried both google clients and the back up clients. I’ve been very meticulous. I keep getting error 132. No matter what. I’ve updated drivers. Nothing. So I was content to wait on a launcher.
you guys are stupid, i followed the instructions in LINUX and it worked perfectly. Take it from the top and read each word one by one
@@meocats Hey now no need to call us stupid,I'm sure the 2 of us aren't the only one having issues...
I am really happy you did this topic
Blizz should use both servers and teams to make a fully Vanilla + game from scrap. Fuck retail i want my Azeroth back!
Personally it comes down to leveling speed for me and I just can't do classic x1 XP.
Plus duskhavens shaman tank is just too much fun 😊
Didn't realize how much extra stuff was in turtle but I still can't deal with slow leveling
Right xp1 vanilla is just damn too long for leveling, turtle have tents and warmode which kinda make up for it but its still a long process
There are two ways to speed leveling. Tents give you up to 150% rested xp while leveling, and if you do the warmode challenge, it increases leveling speed by like 25% I think? However, you are flagged for pvp at all times. There are only a handful of "warmode is a choice" gankers. I usually just pass lowbies by and wave.
30% More Xp while being pvp flagged - Warmode
150% Rested Xp due to craftable tents which takes less than 15 minutes to get full rested
X More Xp per area since there are much more quests
Duskhaven is really alliance heavy I would consider that a con. Other than that i feel it's a pretty good server with huge potential
That's true but this is why crossfaction was added for a low pop server,horde is my go to every time and I don't mind playing with alliance ppl
I still love the vanilla graphics honestly
I’m absolutely loving the custom monk class in Duskhaven.. maybe if turtle WoW had custom classes it would rip the scale for me.
Tip*
i heard turtle wow staff is very toxic to so its not worth playing because the staff
@@brianwill5493 ''i heard''
@@brianwill5493 it is and the guy above me doesn't know what he's talking about (played on turtle wow for a year over a year ago)
@@brianwill5493 Nah, turtle wow staff is great and very forgiving. They refunded me money I spent because I changed my mind.
After doing both, I'd say if you are there for pure vanilla+ experience go for Turtle wow. If you want an alternative progress of older versions of wow (vanilla tbc wrath) go for Duskhaven.
Turtle wow is alot more polished as an RP project and deep outside of standard vanilla progress. After Naxx it's supposed to be a horizontal progression and it's client has alot of limitation.
Leveling speed and doing end game vertical progression Duskhaven pulls ahead as it is a 3.3.5 also more addon and customisation and forward client support.
Ideally if they merged into one project with turtle wow world building, better exp rate, accommodation of the newer specs and newer more supported client it'd be stellar.
So is project ascension something different?
My dude, when you get to 60 on TWoW, the only way you'll feel as if you are being handed gear is if you join an established raid guild with high raids on farm. Don't do that! There are only 2-3 guilds pushing deep into Naxx right now. There have been others, but lots of guilds kill KT and take a long vacation afterwards, breaking apart. Find another one that's running ZG, AQ20, and MC each week, and take your time! I shake my head when I see some dude in 3 pieces of T3 with no shoulder enchant because he never bothered getting ZG rep. I have been playing the same toon for 2 years, and I just started in AQ40. Yeah, I see some folks running around town with amazing gear, but I'll get there, ya know? It's a pve server, so those big bad meanies can't hurt you unless you jump into a bg or turn war mode on. Turtle wow is called Turtle for a reason. It's not going anywhere - just level and raid at your own pace, and take it all in!
The thing I like the most in my mmorpg is to immerse myself in its world. So having a small player and mob rendering range is a big cock block for me. I really think duskhaven should double, no, triple the rendering radius since it doesn't have any negetive impact until the server pop reaches around 4.5k.
They lowered it before they got new servers and I feel like they just forgot to increase it again
Increasing the render distance would load the server even more and it's already absurdly laggy every evening. Until they fix the unbearable lag, they shouldn't touch the render distance. I wonder why the lag wasn't mentioned in this video, it's a major con for Duskhaven and there's no fix for it in the horizon.
Is it ok to jump to duskheaven and stop playing ascension wow
What addons do you use for duskhaven, just started on the sever and it's been great
Is the Duskhaven really fresh(1 week atm of the video)? Because on their website, there is a timeline showing it's almost 5 mothes online(MC opened 9th of November)
Old vid but what is the turtle UI you're using??
7:05 equal playing field..... in PvE? i don't understand.... competitive in what sense? the only competition in wow is ranks, and thats in pvp.
Hey, the guidelines says "Don't be a jack" but my real-life first name is Jack.... please don't ban me. I can't change my legal first name.
I'm currently playing TWoW in Australia and the Que times are huge! Like, on Sunday, it was 7000 player que for the English speaking server....
What is Duskhaven like?
Are you sure Turtle WoW uses the vanillal client? They have the harbour in SW and all the assets reskinned for TBC (high elves)...
To my knowledge they use a very ancient Vanilla client and that it even has specific limitations to it because of their choice to use it. But I don't know the proper private server lingo to explain it properly off the top of my head.
I'm treating Turtle WoW super differently than I normally would for a vanilla server.. Usually I would pick one class and race to 60.. But now I've made err 7 characters and lvling them together, sharing their loot and lvling proffessions.. The goal isn't for all the characters to hit 60, and if I don't hit 60 on any of them.. eh I'm having fun doing something different.. And even if I hit 60 with one, its more to see the content and see what vanilla + can do. If they made a Fresh server it would be different.
since turtle is v+ technically they cant be fully progressed or am i wrong? i mean they could just add a raid after naxx?
I have a 60 in Turtle, now I'm leveling a character on Duskhaven. So i don't have a opinion yet which setveris better.
Great vid brother
as a pvp player what the best serv?
How is your graphics so clear? Mine is very flat and grainy even with settings maxed out.
I'm not sure honestly. I figured everyone saw the same thing as me
Virtually all of your cons on Turtle wow are pros to me.
For someone who likes to do some RP when not doing dungeon/raid stuff all the time, and actually care for the lore (and REALLY disliking what Blizzard has done), TurtleWoW was a safe bet when I started in 2023 and still liking it! It's also weird by the fact that unlike Blizzard servers, non-RPers seem to respect the RP going on and never really interrupts it.
I'm just waiting for the launcher. I'll see you fellers on there.
A month or so to 60 doesn't feel long at all considering I've been trying to max in osrs for like 5 years now.
Wife as been playing Turtle wow and its basically crashing and locking her pc, just started playing duskhaven but not enough to decide which is better. been taking a break from WOW private servers TBH.
If you feel tired take the break, trust me you don't want to progress while being tired, it leads to much more boredom
Man, I really really hope they make a blademaster variant for Orc warriors or w/e.
Turtle for sure. I’d be happy to play 3.3.5 vanilla but facepalm EZ mode as it currently is makes Duskhaven an easy pass. But hell, what do I know lol
Are they na or EU,?
I love Turtle WoW. Because it's so slow. I really missed the slow leveling and the exploring of areas. I even got the turtle glyph in the beginning which only give you 50% exp from killing mobs. This way it's even slower^^ But I like exactly this.
Since Duskhaven uses WOTLK Talents does the leveling become trivial stomp (aka mods die in max 3-4 seconds)?
You can always choose the HC Mode so you'll die if you pull more then 1-2 mobs
The one that you can log into.
what is that addon that add quest markers to the map?
What do you think you'll mainly be playing? Ascension?
Between the incredibly slow levelling speed and the starting areas being flooded with players, I stopped playing TurtleWoW. Downloading Duskhaven rn, looking forward to it!
twow if you want to chill
duskhaven if you want faster pace
Turtle if you want pve+pvp Duskheaven for only pve
I feel like duskheavan has an alliance advantage due to how Manet people are playing that side. In turtle wow, it feels like both sides are pretty well populated. The population in duskheavan because if your are doing dungeons as horse, you will almost never get any horse dungeons and therefore never be able to do the quests for the horse dungeons unless you que for the specific dungeon but then it takes a lot longer to que since people are trying to do specific alliance dungeons. It is mildly frustrating as a horse player.
As a ,,horse player" I agree:) 😅👍
A full Deluxe versión (Turtle WoW) or a Early Access (Duskhaven) thats the Real question, at lest for me the only Real V+ plus server (twow).
One con of Duskhaven is that it uses talent trees meant for level 80 with a max of level 60. It gives you very little freedom or wiggle room with your specs. It would benefit from either reduced talent point costs for multi point talents or a means of getting extra talent points.
I think, for me, I never even thought about it because even in original Vanilla you often couldn't do much with the extra talent points you had. For many classes it was just pointless extra stuff in another tree, and in the situations where you skip a last point talent in Vanilla and go into two trees you can still do that on Duskhaven, theoretically. I think because glyphs are in the game it also helps with that too. Glyphs are something that can be expanded upon in place of talents to help specs or playstyles out. But in terms of it not feeling as "cookie cutter" you're dead-on because Vanilla gives the illusion of immense choice that you don't get in a game where you can only reach the final talent in a spec by going all the way down the tree and using all of your points.
This is true. It is very noticeable in the mage tree atleast, if you don't want to run out of mana you got to spend 10 points in the arcane tree for clearcasting. 5 of which are of very little value if you're not going deep arcane. With a few more points or simply enough a reshuffle of the tree itself would allow for alot more possibilities for builds. Haven't tried other classes but I reckon it is the same with for example locks and druids which also have received little changes.
Turtle Wow would be perfect with an fresh pvp server
I would love to play duskhaven but i accidently changed the realm list patch to a pdf and i cant figure a way to undo the change.
Rigtt click the file, select open with, and open with notepad. See if that works
I chose Turtle for now.
but Duskhaven looks very promising. I'm just really big on performance. I do not like my immersion getting ruined by DCs and constant lag.
If duskhaven improves performance wise, I will have found my forever home, as the first 2 expansions to me are still vanilla wow. even if people disagree, you have to understand that Blizzard has always had expansions for their games and Burning Crusade and WotL are masterpieces.
but like McDouble said in the video, if thery were to go beyond that and do Cataclysm and any others than that wouldnt be vanilla wow to me anymore.
Are these servers Na?or EU????
Mcdoubles can you make a tutorial on how to download and start playing duskahaven
may i ask what UI your using???
Elvui and details
A massive con for me right now is that their special specs can't Q as their special specs. Hunter (Tinkerer), Shaman, Priest (Monk), and Rogue (Demon Hunter) can't queue as tanks. So when they create bard, is it going to be fucked as well? We'll see.
Turtle wow was really busy when I went on. I'm getting an old laptop so I can play it in quiet days at work 😮
ngl I'm leaning towards Duskhaven, but having to rebind keys will be a nightmare either way.
Just copy the bindings cache from your wtf folder , no need to change the bindings individually again.
Turtle being x1 is what keeps me away. I leveled on Vanilla so much that I don't feel like spending so much time leveling on x1 again. X2 makes such massive difference
Turtle is basically x2 if you level survival and make tents for permanent rested XP.
@@annekekramer3835 No, It's about 1.7 and it's vanilla 1.7 xp rates. Not wrath xp rates. So It's still about a month of casual gameplay(4-5 hours per day). Turtle is for the sweaty people , who don't have obligations to a family/job etc. And don't have much responsibility. I got about 2-3 hours to play per day after work. Duskhaven is literally a safe haven for people who want nostalgia plus a little bit more. Without much effort. I don't need a guild for world bosses, raids etc. People are constantly pugging all content. Everyone is friendly. I didn't run into almost any elitists, and that's a good thing. If they are there, they don't mingle.
@@ZNedja Who's saying you can't play turtle wow casually just a few hours a week? If you're having fun it doesn't matter what pace you're going at.
@@person3176 but how long will it take to get to 60 only playing a few hours a week?
@@spook8716 The game starts at lvl 1, not lvl 60. If u don't enjoy leveling go play a fun server.
What UI addonsare you using
its all in my discord, but its ElvUI
Custom Highelf and Goblin races
Aka Blood elf was ported to alliance and Goblin was enabled for horde, they're the exact same realistically.
Duskhavens the better server by far, but lacking in manpower and unfortunately downtime is abundant due to incessant DDOS attacks. if they get them under control before they lose another 1000 players. They might just shine a little brighter.
There's thing that I really dislike about Turtle WoW. Custom music, the weather effects, and the lack of graphic options (no shadows) makes the world feel both flat and unfamiliar.
The custom races feel wonky too, but mostly, it's for sure just the graphical/weather effects that are my biggest gripe. The game just never looks right. It feels like I'm constantly experiencing the Mandela effect, in a bad way.
How can you call a server that is wotlk vanilla+ its not vanilla its wotlk. Might aswell call it wotlk+
Gotta be able to use nuance, it's a fair extrapolation unless your view of v+is hyper specific and narrow
@@Mcdoubles What do you define vanilla as? To me and I think most people would be the base game. WotLK isnt vanilla, BC isnt vanilla. And i think vanilla+ is the concept of taking that classic game and adding content to it what blizzard circa 2005 would have created. Theres an excellent dodgykebaab video on exactly this.
@@TricksterzMW2 Don't even try. He's a fucking idiot.
Not sure if it matters or not. But Humans still retain their rep bonuses, and the talents have 'hidden' capstones and Im unsure if they are bugs or not, but a lot of things that would be talented later are just baseline like Second Wind for Warriors just being baseline (and a talent option at the same time) or Regrowth while staying in Cat Form (which would normally be a capstone later on).