Really cool that you actually read a passage from The Odyssey. That ancient poetry is so unlike anything written nowadays. I finally made it through the whole book a few years ago, and it was an incredible experience, something that really transported me to a different world.
I was today days old when I realized that the Crossing Cape Horn sequence in Master of Commander is almost certainly a call-back to Scylla and Charybdis - Lucky Jack Aubrey has to choose "The Lesser of Two Weevils/Evils", sacrifice the life of a popular sailor who has fallen overboard or lose his whole ship...
I love the adventures of the Odyssey. I really enjoyed your suggestion of having the waters below Scylla still contain Circe's poison. The possibility of being turned into a monster by the water only adds a new level of danger. I could see characters fall off the ship and turn into giant eals or squids that attack their former crewmembers.
And then it turns out they're only the opening acts for the Kraken, who lurks in the deep and waits like an Elder God. For as you know, there's always a bigger fish. Great video again. Love the historical context.
Oh, this is perfect timing. My players are about to start a ship travel arc and I didn’t want to do a basic kraken. I think I’m going to go with the serpents from the Live Ship Traders series. They spew out acid and memories! While unimportant, I think getting the memories of a sea serpent that’s like 100 years old would be super cool.
It would be interesting if getting attacked by Scylla's bite was what caused the monster curse to spread, transforming the sailors of the zone into monsters if they are lucky enough to survive an attack and a constitution save against the poison
The ancients ::loved:: a many-headed beast! The idea that we're only allowed one (1) should be suppressed with extreme prejudice! Thanks for another great video, happy Kraken Week!
I've heard a few songs recently about aquatic fey. Selkie by Ebony Buckle. A different take on the seal-wife motif. Ebony is a London-based singer-songwriter who performs with the new age prog band Solstice. The Kelpie by Jethro Tull. Gets into the Who is the Predator question, as the alluring Hag concept does, but differently this time. The song was apparently recorded for the Scottish-themed Stormwatch album, but didn't make it onto the vinyl release. And one I knew before, Seven Widows Weep by Sirenia. A tale of Nordic sirens in Symphonic Metal style. The video is outstanding.
And the classic Police song "Wrapped Around Your Finger" begins with this classic mythological reference: "You consider me the young apprentice Caught between the Scylla and Charibdes Hypnotized by you if I should linger Staring at the ring around your finger"
Thanks for the inspiration! I might use this in the campaign arc that our gm just asked me to run (not enough time for planning with young child and work) as Scylla is the spouse of a noble that was cursed, and the party is contracted to find out what happened to them.
I was thinking that the noble would need her beautiful but dim-witted husband (whom she does truly care for) back home to keep her husband's unscrupulous relatives, that she has been politically out maneuvering, from claiming the family estate, the husband is the cursed monster in the sea cave, and the whirlpool is a trapped, young jormungandr that the party could potentially free and thus have friendly to them. They gotta find out what happened, where the husband is, how to break the curse by finding the witch, brave the whirlpool to get the cure, then face off against the monster while trying to break the curse.
Considering the origins, some of the rules from Mythic Odysseys of Theros might be a good option for making things more "interesting" for the players there
It's really interesting to see how Greek mythology monsters permeate the DnD multiverse. At a minimum Centaur, Chimera, Dryad, Hydra, Lamia, Medusa, Minotaur, Nixie, Nymph, Pegasus, Satyr, Sirene, Sylph, Titan, Triton. At least some of this is thanks to Narnia.
I'm happy to see Scylla! Though you now have me debating if the hydra is more dangerous than the hydra. Hercules and Iolaus defeated the hydra alone, but a crew of trained soldiers were too slow to prevent six of their own from being swallowed whole. I think Scylla is bigger and stronger than the hydra, which fits its role in the story. She is too fearsome to fight, sacrifice six men and flee. Of course you could run a high level campaign where the players are demi-gods, then fighting a creature like Scylla is more fair.
That’s actually true! In theory they could just chop off her heads, which is where my thinking was, but with her speed she’d have to have an insane AC. And she would be too big to hit at her core. Maybe, to make her easier, they could follow hydra rules, and a certain amount of damage in one strike could lob off a head. That way, they wouldn’t have to fully kill her to defeat her.
I wouldn't be able to resist playing off the proverbial rock and hard place of the metaphor. Scylla being a feminine rage which will pursue obsessively seeking to do onto men, to add injury and poison, to scourge and harry. Charybdis being an enduring static effect... an absence that takes and draws into it. An allegory to wanting and needing. A negative force of drawing entropy. Chary being best kept less exotic but just as relentless, but Scylla being more of a person with complexities which inflicts its volatile psychology onto others. Tactically, of course, the rage of Scylla would be the escalation of scenarios and conflict, while Charybdis being the constant hazard, the bad times beyond simply Scylla's barking vagina mouths.
@@feywildfiend I might. It might not fit with the game itself. It's taken months IRL to get where we are, and we're still not actually at the place where the adventure IS.
Really cool that you actually read a passage from The Odyssey. That ancient poetry is so unlike anything written nowadays. I finally made it through the whole book a few years ago, and it was an incredible experience, something that really transported me to a different world.
Hello Esper! Love seeing my favorite creators active and commenting on others work!
FEYWILD FIEND JOINS KRAKEN WEEK?????? I'M SO EXCITED!
But of COURSE!!
With the thunder saga just coming out its looking less like shark week on more like Scylla week
Sounds like my kinda event
I came looking for information on Scylla and looks like I did at the perfect time between hades two, the thunder saga and this
I was today days old when I realized that the Crossing Cape Horn sequence in Master of Commander is almost certainly a call-back to Scylla and Charybdis - Lucky Jack Aubrey has to choose "The Lesser of Two Weevils/Evils", sacrifice the life of a popular sailor who has fallen overboard or lose his whole ship...
Really enjoying this video about this terrifying sea monstress! Also the seafaring makeup is on point! The pearls are a nice touch!
Thank you!! And I did go all out on “costuming” for this one, real pearls and all!
Oh, between this and EPIC's Thunder Saga we greek mythology fans are elated today❤
Y’all are eatin’ good this week
@@feywildfiend Like the hydra in a free buffet
I love the adventures of the Odyssey. I really enjoyed your suggestion of having the waters below Scylla still contain Circe's poison. The possibility of being turned into a monster by the water only adds a new level of danger.
I could see characters fall off the ship and turn into giant eals or squids that attack their former crewmembers.
And then it turns out they're only the opening acts for the Kraken, who lurks in the deep and waits like an Elder God. For as you know, there's always a bigger fish.
Great video again. Love the historical context.
Great inspiration! Cheers and... happy Kraken Week!
Happy Kraken Week!!
Oh, this is perfect timing. My players are about to start a ship travel arc and I didn’t want to do a basic kraken. I think I’m going to go with the serpents from the Live Ship Traders series. They spew out acid and memories! While unimportant, I think getting the memories of a sea serpent that’s like 100 years old would be super cool.
It would be interesting if getting attacked by Scylla's bite was what caused the monster curse to spread, transforming the sailors of the zone into monsters if they are lucky enough to survive an attack and a constitution save against the poison
Great video. I'd suggest to add the #krakenweek so that more people can watch this & future videos. :)
The story of Charybdis sticking all the world's water reminds me of the story of Thor doing the same
The ancients ::loved:: a many-headed beast! The idea that we're only allowed one (1) should be suppressed with extreme prejudice! Thanks for another great video, happy Kraken Week!
I've heard a few songs recently about aquatic fey.
Selkie by Ebony Buckle. A different take on the seal-wife motif. Ebony is a London-based singer-songwriter who performs with the new age prog band Solstice.
The Kelpie by Jethro Tull. Gets into the Who is the Predator question, as the alluring Hag concept does, but differently this time. The song was apparently recorded for the Scottish-themed Stormwatch album, but didn't make it onto the vinyl release.
And one I knew before, Seven Widows Weep by Sirenia. A tale of Nordic sirens in Symphonic Metal style. The video is outstanding.
And the classic Police song "Wrapped Around Your Finger" begins with this classic mythological reference: "You consider me the young apprentice
Caught between the Scylla and Charibdes
Hypnotized by you if I should linger
Staring at the ring around your finger"
@@MemphiStig And more obscurely Karnataka's The Serpent and the Sea. But these are references rather than songs about the fey.
Love monsters based on mythology. Great ideas!
Charybdis as a giant sea anemone. The ones that suck water into their middle to feed.
Brutal! Loving it!
Love it! I feel charybdis always gets more attention, but i prefer the peculiar nature of scylla!
She's so terrifying! Charybdis is obviously more dangerous when active, but Scylla has more detail going for her.
I love how half the people here are lovers of the The Thunder Saga in the majesty that is the Epic Musical by Jorge Herrans
So excited for this video!!
Thanks for the inspiration! I might use this in the campaign arc that our gm just asked me to run (not enough time for planning with young child and work) as Scylla is the spouse of a noble that was cursed, and the party is contracted to find out what happened to them.
That’s a great idea! Would her husband be Charybdis?
I was thinking that the noble would need her beautiful but dim-witted husband (whom she does truly care for) back home to keep her husband's unscrupulous relatives, that she has been politically out maneuvering, from claiming the family estate, the husband is the cursed monster in the sea cave, and the whirlpool is a trapped, young jormungandr that the party could potentially free and thus have friendly to them. They gotta find out what happened, where the husband is, how to break the curse by finding the witch, brave the whirlpool to get the cure, then face off against the monster while trying to break the curse.
Scylla is best accomplished by a modified Roper statblock that's located up a cliff, though maybe give her a longer reach. I'd make it 120ft.
That’s a great idea!
@feywildfiend probably more Hp, less AC, because most attacks will be at disadvantage.
Considering the origins, some of the rules from Mythic Odysseys of Theros might be a good option for making things more "interesting" for the players there
I haven’t checked it out yet!
@@feywildfiend It's pretty essential for more of the greek/roman mythic concepts without needing to reinvent the wheel
SCYLLA MENTIONED!!!! DOWN DOWN KING OF BONES WITH A CORAL CROWN LETS GOOOOO
It's really interesting to see how Greek mythology monsters permeate the DnD multiverse. At a minimum Centaur, Chimera, Dryad, Hydra, Lamia, Medusa, Minotaur, Nixie, Nymph, Pegasus, Satyr, Sirene, Sylph, Titan, Triton. At least some of this is thanks to Narnia.
I'm happy to see Scylla! Though you now have me debating if the hydra is more dangerous than the hydra. Hercules and Iolaus defeated the hydra alone, but a crew of trained soldiers were too slow to prevent six of their own from being swallowed whole. I think Scylla is bigger and stronger than the hydra, which fits its role in the story. She is too fearsome to fight, sacrifice six men and flee.
Of course you could run a high level campaign where the players are demi-gods, then fighting a creature like Scylla is more fair.
That’s actually true! In theory they could just chop off her heads, which is where my thinking was, but with her speed she’d have to have an insane AC. And she would be too big to hit at her core. Maybe, to make her easier, they could follow hydra rules, and a certain amount of damage in one strike could lob off a head. That way, they wouldn’t have to fully kill her to defeat her.
Great Stuff!
I wouldn't be able to resist playing off the proverbial rock and hard place of the metaphor.
Scylla being a feminine rage which will pursue obsessively seeking to do onto men, to add injury and poison, to scourge and harry. Charybdis being an enduring static effect... an absence that takes and draws into it. An allegory to wanting and needing. A negative force of drawing entropy. Chary being best kept less exotic but just as relentless, but Scylla being more of a person with complexities which inflicts its volatile psychology onto others.
Tactically, of course, the rage of Scylla would be the escalation of scenarios and conflict, while Charybdis being the constant hazard, the bad times beyond simply Scylla's barking vagina mouths.
I'd expect plenty of aquatic beasts in Japanese and Polynesian myth too
A whole bunch!!
We should all steal (even) more from greek mythology
Hard agree
There's an entire Greek setting in 5e. It's interesting, but light on definite map locations, imo.
I hadn't planned on it, but now I'm considering creating a sentient black hole for my Spelljammer game named Charybdis.
Do it! Do it! Do it!
@@feywildfiend I might. It might not fit with the game itself. It's taken months IRL to get where we are, and we're still not actually at the place where the adventure IS.
*just looking through play list finds this near the top between stuff I had watched* huh
Some videos posted later in the week are being bumped up in the playlist!
Awesome
For an old-timey depiction of Scylla: ruclips.net/video/jwNhP9r2498/видео.html
That gore was INSANE. I’m really impressed with their Charybdis, especially compared to the other FX!
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