I am an amateur boxer from holland and i can tell you that.. boxing Is a life saver for so many People it gives you confidence , strenght speed etc. It brought me so much !! On a personal level
@Moped Zachary I have done both . Everything in life comes with a price . Its important that people have the full knowledge of those costs , but the decisions theirs .
@Moped Zachary it's sad because i love boxing but I'm afraid, I want to box still, but some people say you can't even do light sparring, what's the point of training if you can't even do light/medium sparring?
And it will take much more away as you continue. You don't need boxing to develop any of things. The difficulty of life and the right attitude will help you gain all those things without subjecting yourself to brain damage
The one person that I know for a fact that does more for retired boxers than anyone else is Gerry Cooney. He gets them union jobs so they can retire in dignity!! Three cheers for Gerry!!! A fellow Huntington man!! The best town on long Island!!
Even Larry Holmes says Jerry is a good guy, and he is. I think Larry Holmes is GOAT, so for Larry to say that, it says a lot. We must all pull together and look after these old war-horses.
The worst of it all is that the journeymen of boxing suffer more neurological damage than the contenders and champions. You just dont hear about them after they retire.
I thought about that too. A lot of these journeymen fighters have huge amount of fights but they could never quite crack the big leagues. Took a lot of punishment doing something they love.
This is a misconception (I thought the same thing to at one point, so I don't mean any offense). The boxers who typically have the most damage are the elite ones. See "Damage" by Tris Dixon. It's a very thoroughgoing book that examines everything from anecdotal evidence to the latest cognitive and neurological studies.
So incredibly sad. I grew up watching boxing with my Dad in the 80's-early 90's. I would see those blows, where the fighter throws a right, then a life and a right and be amazed. Our bodies can't handle that. We may not look fragile, but we're definitely not made of steel. Prayers for everyone in this film.
When you see those punches part of what you're seeing is evolution. Millions of years ago when our ancestors began to free up their hands by walking upright they pretty much immediately set about clobbering each other with their fists. This happened that the human head has actually evolved over time to take less damage from blows to the head. That being said I agree with you sentiment. The unique consciousness of humans means we can and do push ourselves further by doing things like taking part in boxing matches. Combine that with humanity's great endurance relative to other animals and you've got people willingly turning their brains to mush by engaging in grueling fights that are in no way natural.
People are critical of floyd Mayweather but after seeing this documentary you can see why he is determined to leave the game with his faculties and his money intact.
They call it the "Sweet Science" for a reason. The goal in boxing OS TO HIT & NOT GET HIT, Its not MMA ya wanna see 2 Mfs just pound on each other go watch that. They just hate on Mayweather & the funny thing is HE LAUGHS ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK, so many Floyd haters be paying for his fights just hoping to see him lose and he knows it & uses it lmfao
Leonard Holt this is true, but most of the brain damage that fighters get comes from the many rounds of sparring. If anything that would contribute to later brain damage especially since we don’t know how many hits he took in sparring. Add on 2 decades of boxing since he was a kid as well already taking hits before the brain has fully developed
Caught myself crying like a wimp a couple of times. This was like watching a documentary on veterans. Seeing Tony on the bus with that Bible, or the fact that those 2 brothers walked hand in hand and still recoqnized their wives kinda gave me hope and confirmation about the good in human life tho. They are warriors, I wish them all the best! God Bless
Thanks for posting this documentary MoD. I am older than dirt, so I had the opportunity to view numerous fights by both Denny and Phil via television on both Wednesday and Friday night Fights . They were both skillful boxers, well-prepared and always conditioned. It was very sad and sobering to see them in a vegetable state after their careers had ended. Neither fighter was a power puncher, and consequently their fights often went the distance; and they accumulated an enormous amount of rounds along with head punches in their respective careers. They fought many opponents who could really bang, and although the Moyer boys won most of those bouts on points they took a huge number of damaging blows in the process. Those punches definitely took a huge toll on both of them.
this doc actually opened my eyes to the damage that sparring can cause. a straight right hand is just that. headgear won't stop one coming right down the middle. so a fighter's record does not tell the story(not even close)of damage to the head. I'll never understand how George Chuvalo took so many shots and remains lucid. but God bless him. bless them all.
When they started talking about concussions and brain damage in football, the first thing I wondered was why aren't they doing studies on these boxers who can hardly even speak after their careers? How many concussions do they have per fight? It's very good to see a documentary about this. Chivalo and Foreman are two of the few big name fighters who are still just as quick and articulate as they always were. Quite a few of them need translators to understand now.
Facing Ali is awesome because of his former opponents and getting to learn their stories. That is one of my favorite documentaries and it's very unique.
Kevin W. Mattingly My favorite part of Facing Ali is when Chuvalo sez "After the fight Ali went to the hospital with bleeding kidneys and I went dancing with my wife".. As he starts dancing around the room.Chuvalo lost 3 maybe 4 sons to heroin and his wife I believe killed herself over it,great doc on him.
This documentary really opened up my eyes and made me think more about the damage caused in boxing, while i was well aware of it already this sorta just cements it in me.
Boxing needs better rules and people like Don King need to banned from it completely. One thing that bugs me about this is how they said amateur fighting is somehow better and the emphasis they put on money. Here's reality about amateur sports: *EVERYONE* but the athlete is making money. The schools make money, the networks make money, the trainers, the equipment manufacturers, everyone but the athlete.
You got a point..... But heres the thing. Some amateur sanctions are even more corrupt than pro division. In 2012 in my area or region there was an issue with betting and making profit from non profit gyms or locals/events. It got so out of hand it extended from the southern part of the state all the way up north of the state, at one point USA Boxing banned any amatures in the state from competing for over a year and a half. The gym i was working for (not at that time in particular) made about 7k from a tournament. The owner was suspended for 9 months from cornering any fights other gyms did the same and some were worse. Wont say where or when but it did happen.
Everything you said, is 100 percent true. I was one of the top strength athletes in the U. S. and the world. I started with steel rods from the railroad. I found a old shot put at a dump. I used those to exercise with at 12 yrs old. At 14 my grandmother bought me a concrete set of weights. I put them in our old basement. At this time I weighed about 86 lbs. Over the next months, I put abench together out of concrete blocks and a 4x4. I was reading Strength and Health magazine trying to learn Olympic lifting. Slowly I made some more equipment. A heavy bag made out of an old green army bag of my uncle's. I filled it with dirt an old clothes. I started weightlifting useing the concrete set. I moved tthe collars out so I could snatch. It was hard because of no rotation with the bar. By know I had a couple friends with me. We had to squat by a person on each side of the bar 'and lifting it for the person to squat. We trained everyday. Lifted weights for 2 hours, then boxed for an hour. I lifted in my 1st meet at 14yrs old. I placed 2nd to the national champion. I weighed 98lbs. I went ont to compete in over 300 competitions in 4 differtant sports. I had a very crazy life. I won the Olympic trails, silver medal in the Pan Ams. World championships. Much more. I won the natls in 2 sports over 50.I have started writing a book,but I've been getting sicker. I currently live in a small mobile home. I was in the hospital over 90 days last year. I still had plans to compete again at 60. Then I was told 3 months ago I had 6 months or less to live. I don't even know for sure what is killing me. I've been told I would be lucky to get a surgeon. I've been put in Hospise. I am still staying at home. All hospice keeps telling me is just go with it, its a new journey. It happens to everone. I'm by myself now. I still workout. I can't get any information so I can try to live. I'm not ready to die. But all I'm told is just go with it. Well I know I'm getting worse. I believe the hospital did something wrong and just want me to go away. And of course weightlifting doesn't do anything for the athletes. Sorry for writing so much. I wish you all well.
Not always the case. As a former amateur fighter I can attest that our boxing club was ran entirely as a non profit. Our coach and trainers were all volunteers and often used their own money to transport us to events. We were fortunate enough to have the old high school gymnasium for our training facility and amateur bouts were held several times a year usually in the fall and winter. All profits went to buy equipment for our club or were donated to charity.
I shook Denny Moyers hand after a victory in the San Francisco Civic Center in 1972 when I was 15 years old. This is the most incredibly sad thing I've ever watched, and I have to accept that I was one of many that contributed to his demise.
I can honestly say I never thought I would say I thought a pick up game of basketball would be a beautiful thing. Much love and respect and Godspeed my friends
This "Documentary" has inspired me to start a 'Boxers Health Insurance' every fighter no matter their age must undergo extensive examinations, scans, aptitude, reflex testing, etc., quarterly. They must also learn a trade, possibly in the "Boxing Field", Trainer, Cornerman, Promotion, one of the countless positions available and which can be created to assist and respect these mighty warriors…
Most of these punch drunk guys just kept fighting when they should have retired. Ali should have hung up the gloves after he beat Foreman, and he still would have been a legend. What he did after that was just mindblowing. It's just unfortunate he did a lot of damage to his brain when he could have avoided it by getting out of the sport in the mid or early 70's. But being Muhammad Ali must have been an amazing thing, and very difficult to walk away from.
@@mickbowe4252 Don king didn't force Ali to fight, he only promoted a few of his fights. Who should take the blame for running Ali into the ground is the NOI, they took alot of money from him so he had to continue way beyond he needed.
I'm a boxing fan for about 50 years and have seen this documentary a few times. It gives a picture of boxing that no one likes but should be shown as well.
Just imagine how many brain cells Tyson destroyed during his prime. This documentary was an eye opener for me. I had no idea this much damage was being done to fighters. The brain is by far the most important part of a human body.
That doesn't really make sense, he only hit people once and it was over because he was fighting nobody's, when he fought champions and brawled he got badly beaten
If anything I'd be more worried about Mike simply because of the chronic effect of not just taking punches (over a long boxing career, also his insane sparring where he's told to go 100% and no headgear as well) but also his drug and alcohol abuse
I think the worst part of this... these guys willingly and knowingly give up their lives, bodies and minds to do this sport. They have love for it and are willing to die for it. This loyalty, dedication and devotion to such a sport that treats them like horses at the Kentucky Derby. Horse wins every race does he get a better stable? Better food? More importantly do they get treated better? No. They are used to make money off, just like boxers. With horses, when they're injured or become too old to race anymore they shoot them. Well what's worse is being used up then thrown back into the wild all beaten, battered, bloody and old. Thrown in a world where the years of hard work to this sport will not provide any other job for them. And even with all this they don't even care about their careers or well being. They pour dedication into a sport... a sport that purposely has them lose, throw fights, cheat, be gambled on and even has their lives ruined. Billy Collin Jr. a clear example, went undefeated for 14 wins 11 knockouts and 0 losses. A rising star that could have easily gone for the title match and won. His first loss was his last fight, a fighter's manager had taken out the padding in his fighter's (Luis Resto) glove. During the fight Carlos "Panama" Lewis also gave Resto spiked water mixed stimulants which he gave to many of his fighters. Billy Collins Jr was punched in the face and head by bare knuckles for 10 rounds straight. Tough doesn't even begin to describe him. He lost and his injuries to his eye would never allow him to fight again. The odds were stacking in Billy's favor for being such a damn good fighter and being undefeated, so Carlos Lewis could make a killing off the rigged fight betting on his own underdog. Resto was a trained boxer, he knew the gloves were different yet he didn't say anything cause Panama was his manager, and thought exposing him would destroy the man in charge of his career thus ruining his. And no other manager would work with him after cause almost all of them cheat and no one would want to work with a fighter who exposing the cheats of his previous one. They were caught but Lewis forced Resto to not talk about it, and for this they both were sent to jail for and banned from boxing forever. A year after the fight Billy committed suicide, his life after the fight was a tragic one that he wished to end sadly. Resto's life was over as well, no money and living in a basement of a gym for years and years. Even though Resto confessed and apologized saying he should have stopped fighting. He tried committing suicide, or he wanted to. Panama of course is still doing well, hustling like he always has. This... is what they have to show for the dedicated to their sport. Scandals, Don King, cheating, gambling, controlled by mafia, rigging fights and treating boxers like shit then they turn around and make money off them. Managers and commissioners need to realize their fights, money and viewership is thanks to the fighters. Without them you'd just be shady car salesmen.
***** Almost all these guys come from a ghetto or the streets. They can't be engineers and they can't be 9 to 5 workers. They don't have the pampered life style you have and fighting is the only thing they got. And your a douchebag with no empathy so I think I'll just stop talking because you couldn't understand what life was like for these guys before boxing. Many of them were orphans or adopted, they don't have mommy and daddy to buy shit for them like your pathetic trolling ass. So run along kiddy and go argue some more on religion with the rest of the pretentious teenage brats and leave the big boy sports for us men.
***** Really... man. Go look up the bio on a lot of fighters. A lot of them come from countries where there aren't any jobs. Or they have a criminal background and can't get jobs. Not every country has it as easy as the UK or US where bumbling idiots can become president.
***** You do know there is something called passion right? Its that thing that could make you go through all hell just because you won't ever give up something? It's not just money, for a lot of them its the only way they can make money and its not very much. The manager makes more money then they do, they do it for passion. Sounds like I'm talking to a wall here cause you don't understand what that is. And if you don't like boxing... what are you doing here?
DocHollowDay Quit projecting that you know what each and everyone of these guy's personal lives are like. Everything is not like the movies/tv. You could learn a lot from what MrGrevy posted.
For all the people that cry oh Floyd Mayweather B Hop or any other defensive fighters are boring just remember that these guys have families and want to leave the boxing game without compromising their health and their genius in defence should be commended rather than scrutinized. Its sad to see people end up the way they did in this doc );
don't be a pro boxer if you are a coward. you know what it takes to be a pro boxer, not to run, hug, use foul acts not to get hit! BOXING IS ONLY FOR THE COURAGEOUS, not for the like of a floyd mayweather!!!
Fantastic Documentary, first and foremost! I'm a very good friend of one of Denny Moyer's Granddaughter's, and I had the great fortune to meet Denny, at our Kenpo Martial Arts Studio in Portland, Oregon in the early 1970's, and he had obvious signs of head trauma from a recent bout, but his faculties were still intact, However, seeing both Denny and Phil in the care center was devastating, Pugilistic Dementia, can be a result of many sports, such as Boxing, MMA, Martial Arts Full Contact Sparring.
being in a relationship where you are hit or thrown or shaken or just simply have so much emotional stress will also cause brain damage. Just emotional trauma can shrink the brain, lower IQ, cause mood disorders on the same spectrum as being hit(though the damage is much different it is still brain damage and can carry much of the same symptoms). We are so fragile and stress of all kinds will hurt you
Quote of the millennium: "I don't care if we live in a cardboard box, I would rather have my husband more than anything in the world; more than any amount of money in the world."
I have known women who were just that serious about their man. Even maybe have been involved with a couple such women that I did not stay with. And I know there are many other women - e.g. in Thailand and Viet Nam - who would NEVER leave for money of anything.
The NFL just wakes up to it because they don't want to use all that money there racking in. You think they care about humans no just money. Fuck the NFL and they should die in a fucking ditch
I agree thank god tyson knew what to do and just kept it an exhibition fight and didnt hit him in the head it was a very gentlemen type exhibition they both made. A bunch of money on and no one got hurt thank god i believe roy may end up with brain damage later on
How strange that in life that it's the one doing the sport in the ring that wishes to not see a blood bath but rather appreciating the subtle nuances of the sport. But, those that wish to see a blood bath are those who have never stepped into the ring ever in their lives.
@Marten Dekker Yes, thankfully. But the mentality of, maybe, the majority of fans is the same as those going to see Roman gladiator matches, with decapitations, etc. People love their blood and violence, especially if it is served up in a way that doesn't disturb conscience or empathy, a setting in which compassion doesn't apply. People act as though a boxing match is sort-of a movie. People will take an actual beatdown and mentally regard it like a show or video game; just as people can watch WWE and react as though it were a real contest (oh, its real, alright...no disrespect to the incredible gymnastics and pain-tolerance of the wrestlers). It lets people enjoy their brutality safely. One reason why fighters from local club fighters to Muhammed Ali and Roy Jones Jr. can always find someone, in some town in some country, willing to promote a match and make money, and give them a taste of the thrill of being in the ring - its one of the most addictive feelings, once you are just good enough to feel like you have some control over what happens in there. But an ATG quarterback, now 45 with bad knees and a weak arm, won't be of any use to a team - won't help their record. NO economic value, no pleasure for the fans. A fighter with a name, or a fighter willing to pad the record of a fighter with a name, can always make money because the name sells long after the skills and the brain cells are gone. People get to watch a beating one way or another. And, too many fans salivate at seeing violent knockouts with no empathy, no recognition that the loser is a human being. A person has a right to take this risk. I'm a 56 year old psychologist - with experience designing licensure neuro exams with the IBF, an amateur boxing career in the past, and now still training after spinal fusion surgery, soon to be cleared to spar and prepare for a charity exhibition match. I always had good defense and power. If I got hit solidly, much, I'd just stop the sparring and any contest.. But we're talking about fighters who may be legally, borderline-competent, but who are lost in denial or an actual slow-suicide wish...or just believe that it is honorable, or necessary, or manly, to take your punishment, especially if it puts food on the table for your family. Its one thing for a free market society to let a person make their own choice about the dangers to face, or adults to agree to participate, with a real meeting of the minds, in a violent contest. Its another for there to be a system in which an opportunist can make money off the destruction of human beings who aren't capable of acting in their own best interests.
Yes, the mentality of, maybe, the majority of fans is the same as those going to see Roman gladiator matches, with decapitations, etc. You're partly right, I think. Many fighters either simply accept the violence, love it, see it as what makes their efforts special - executing their nuanced skills in the face of pain and violence. Some take seriously the "hit and not get hit" aspect. Some just love the adrenaline and dopamine rush and realize that boxing doesn't usually hurt that much while you're in there....although a well-played body shot can make you wish for a quick death. Many fans love their blood and violence, especially if it is served up in a way that doesn't disturb conscience or empathy, a setting in which compassion doesn't apply. People act as though a boxing match is sort-of a movie. People will take an actual beatdown and mentally regard it like a show or video game; just as people can watch WWE and react as though it were a real contest (oh, its real, alright...no disrespect to the incredible gymnastics and pain-tolerance of the wrestlers). It lets people enjoy their brutality safely. One reason why fighters from local club fighters to Muhammed Ali and Roy Jones Jr. can always find someone, in some town in some country, willing to promote a match and make money, and give them a taste of the thrill of being in the ring - its one of the most addictive feelings, once you are just good enough to feel like you have some control over what happens in there. But an ATG quarterback, now 45 with bad knees and a weak arm, won't be of any use to a team - won't help their record. NO economic value, no pleasure for the fans. A fighter with a name, or a fighter willing to pad the record of a fighter with a name, can always make money because the name sells long after the skills and the brain cells are gone. People get to watch a beating one way or another. And, too many fans salivate at seeing violent knockouts with no empathy, no recognition that the loser is a human being. A person has a right to take this risk. I'm a 56 year old psychologist - with experience designing licensure neuro exams with the IBF, an amateur boxing career in the past, and now still training after spinal fusion surgery, soon to be cleared to spar and prepare for a charity exhibition match. I always had good defense and power. If I got hit solidly, much, I'd just stop the sparring and any contest.. But we're talking about fighters who may be legally, borderline-competent, but who are lost in denial or an actual slow-suicide wish...or just believe that it is honorable, or necessary, or manly, to take your punishment, especially if it puts food on the table for your family. Its one thing for a free market society to let a person make their own choice about the dangers to face, or adults to agree to participate, with a real meeting of the minds, in a violent contest. Its another for there to be a system in which an opportunist can make money off the destruction of human beings who aren't capable of acting in their own best interests.
This is the equivalent of saying “how strange is it that the one getting paid to do the job doesn’t want to do anything but the guy who pays the money wants the job to be done” 🤷🏻🤦🏻♂️
Always loved boxing and always will. Started Jiujitsu a year ago, and before I knew it found myself rarely lacing up the gloves - probably for the best. I'd like to see the industry take better care of guys like Daniel Franco - glad he is recovering.
I've never seen boxing as a means to thill people through violence. I love watching two great fighters displaying skills which most people could never master. For me, it is a contest between two men where skill, physical conditioning and courage are the attraction.
Very powerful, deep, emotional, and touching wake-up call. Knowledgeable research by many who care for them. Scenes that leave a mark on your conscience now that you've seen what goes on behind closed doors. ... and those quotes by William Lloyd Garrison ... Thank you for bringing to light the Retired Boxers Foundation's existence.
This documentary has strapped me to my chair to see the entire video and has opened my eyes to see the other side of BOXING'S GLORY. I feel right now... SO BLESSED and look forward to charish all the moments and love my son more than ever. I always loved contact sports like Martial Arts and Boxing so at a young age i showed my son self defense at home (he was 4). So at the age of 7 i put him in Karate where his teacher was one of the instructors of the 1984 Olimpics for the US. He said my son was much more advanced than all his students, he said as if my son had already gone to a fighting program of a kind. But after a several weeks my son didn't want to go anymore because his teacher had not put him to fight, it was more time in disapline and preparation and workout excerises than fighting. He wanted boxing lessons but the boxing gym would not take him in till he had 8 years. So once he turned 8 i quickly took him to Oscar Dela Hoya's gym in East Los Angeles and his coach was quickly surprised with his skills. Infact very shortly he told me he wanted to put my son to spare with his best fighter ( i was kind of scared for a moment). Because they have you sign papers where you basically agree that if he gets hurt due to the risk of the sport they were not resposible. But i went ahead and signed, in a very short time my son was at the top of his weight division in the gym. He never lossed a fight at the gym or at touraments many times we could not get fights for him because he was very thin and once the other team coaches would find out their sons or fighters were matched against my son they would not showup. This stratagy is done because they know the other fighter is much better and don't want their fighter to loose and later has their self confidence damaged and possibly not fight the same again. I would get dissappointed for not getting fights in several tournaments so i had my son fight all the times with heavier kids and still win the fights. I even told my son he had to hit his oppenents in a way to make them bleed to frighten them so they would get discouraged. Until 1 day my Pastor from Church told me not to take my son to boxing anymore because one day eventually he would start getting hit on the head. I said but no one has ever beaten him, he replied " I know that's why i telling you!! But the words that i'll never forget is when he said " BUT JUST AS ALL CHAMPIONS DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP THEY WILL EVENTUALLY GET BRAIN DAMAGE OF TOO MANY HEAD SHOTS" He also asked me do you want your son to be brain damaged eventually because he will not know when to stop because the majority of fighters don't know when to stop. HE WAS RIGHT ALL THE TIME!!!!! I thank GOD for me stopping him on time from boxing IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!and now watching this video JUST MAKES ME KNOW THAT WE DID THE RIGHT DECISION ON REMOVING HIM FROM THE SPORT. We've seen several fighters go pro that he fought when they were kids that he won against, but today after seeing this video i feel JOYFULL i pulled him out from BOXING. Now we always see the boxing and UFC matches together on TV and BELIEVE ME I'N GOING TO HAVE HIM WATCH THIS VIDEO THIS WEEKEND. I advise everyone to show this VIDEO to all your friends and loved ones so everyone can see the DAMAGE CAUSED BY OTHER SIDE OF BOXING'S GLORY. GOD BLESS ALL THE FAMALIES FROM THE VIDEO AND ALL OF YOU.
it twudnt matter,the damage was done in the 60s bcos his doc said he seen signs in 71, so if there were signs in 71 the damage was done 2 or 3 years before that
Absolutely fascinating watch. This video came on after I was watching a random match I ended up watching the whole hr and 20 mins. So well put together completely opened my eye's. Everyone knows it's a dangerous sport, I used to amateur box myself just thought it was a bit of fun as you always hugged your opponent after the fight. This video was hard to watch as you see just how much damage it can cause in the long term. Even now it can never be made safe but it's the fighters choice as their is too much money nowadays 🥊😎
I swear some boxing coaches are a lot more selfish than most people, they would actually prefer their boxer to continue fighting even after having surgery, with the possibility of brain bleeding occurring again SMH!
kid_ from_nyc man I love fighting honestly an they won't let me fight again due to something that may happen. Anything can happen in boxing why can't I fight if the risk is actually less.
The 2 brothers were heartbreaking to see and said the same sort of things my mother said after she had a debilitating stroke and deteriorated rapidly day by day ,it's sad to think a sport I love caused that .Gridiron football effects more as does rugby so ive read though.
I read Tris Dixon's book "Damaged: the untold story of brain damage in Boxing"; it along with this documentary changed my ENTIRE boxing routine, philosophy, and sparring frequency and personal protocols.
Angelo Dundee was a piece of shit for allowing Ali to continue fighting in the late 70's. He didn't care about Ali. He cared about being the trainer of the heavyweight champion. I feel his is partially responsible for what happened to Ali, because Ali would have listened to Angelo if Angelo told him that he really was worried about his brain and wanted him to retire.
Not true Ali would only listen to the black Muslims. The black Muslims were in charge of throwing in the towel. Dundee was desperate for him to retire so was Ali’s doctor who quit but Dundee stayed coz he didn’t want to leave him solely in the black Muslims hands.
I don't watch boxing to see blood, I watch boxing for the technical prowess, human drama (heart) and athletic conditioning. The violence is just a consequence to that for me, but by no means do I want to see a bloodbath
Matthew Chan the difference between ballet and boxing is that ballet is more about choreography and muscle memory/athleticism while boxing is a direct competition; so that's a bad comparison. That competition is what I want to see -- who wants it more, who has more heart, who is smarter, who can adapt, etc. The sweet science. Boxing, combat sports, aren't just about seeing who is stronger and who can knock out who. That's like saying Ali is boring to watch because he doesn't have as many knockouts as Tyson. Definitely not the case -- Ali is one of my favorite fighters, and I prefer to watch him, Sugar Ray Robinson/Leonard, Louis, Whitaker, etc -- than say a normal street brawl, or two chumps with gloves showcasing no technique for the sake of bloodshed.
I am a amateur boxer right now and iam training to go pro I knew the risk before I entered the sport . Thats why u always have to surround urself with good people if ur trainer knows u had enough.
@@JaneDoe-ci3gj and it would be worth it to risk that brain than to try to live forever with perfect health and never manifest your passion. Shoot me first
Give it a good thought...I think this documentary shows how bad things can get, and how difficult it is to actually stay safe. Humans are fragile and by no means made of steel. Sad thing is that you can be a pro for a very short time, think about your health in the long-run even if its difficult to imagine now, and measure the actual pro and cons from that point of view. It's a tough call and a difficult perspective when you are young and feel invincible but just try to imagine. When I was 18 I didn't value life at 40 or 50 it just looked so lame and far anyway, now in my late 30s I start to appreciate all its possibilities, and value it a bit more than I actually did before. Hope this doesn't sound too paternalistic but be happy and healthy anyway you choose to live.
Boxing will always be a huge part of me. I never went pro even though i really wanted to but it wasnt Gods plan, but i fought amateur and i was pretty damn good. Yes i do have some small issues like remembering directions when driving, forgetting stuff, things like that. But ive loved boxing from 9 years old till today at almost 44 years old and i always will. I knew when i stepped through those ropes that me or the other guy could die, all of us who have fought amateur or pro know that. But thats the risk, boxing is a sport and in my opinion its the most beautiful sport because its pure and simple, brutality and poetry in motion at the same time. But you dont "play" boxing like you play other sports. Ill always love it and ill always love the memories from my time in the ring, and ill always wonder how good of a pro i might have been. But only those of us who have laced em on and stepped through the ropes know where im coming from. Boxing lives in us long after we hang up the gloves.
and people keep saying that Mayweather fights like a chicken..when they dont put themselves on this kind of danger this videos shows you why Floyd fights so smart..so he wont end up like this
Makoto Shishio This video doesnt encourage brawl but at least give the fans an exciting fight, not nececessarily a brawl. Floyd's boxing is a boxing of the cowards and greed for money; he is a pseudo-boxer!!!
leonardo espiritu Found a "Hater", If having the best defensive boxing in History is "pseudo-boxing" then the fuck does that mean for the entire shitty sport of boxing.
Truly a very touching documentary. So Glad to see that the sport I advancing these days and that archaic methods are slowly dying out. Fighters in those times had it very rough! Way to much fights and way to much sparring. In today's era many coaches are now studying the body way more and know so much more. Periodzation is a great thing these days things are well planned out to not put so much wear and tear on the fighters bodies. Not to say that this sport is deemed safe because of these advancements but it does help in a way. Fighters of old were training up to 4 Times a day at times, sparring daily and at times fighting weekly or every other week. This was DISASTROUS to the brain and body. Now trainers are seeing the right way. Sparring guys once a week or every other week is great these days. Focusing more on strengthening the body more etc... Boxing today is much safer in my opinion that Boxing of yesteryear. And to me This is a good thing.
This is why I hate fans who boo refs for stopping fights early.
Pay hard earned cash to see peeps get knocked the fuck out
I'm lost for words. all I will say, Every single boxer enters the ring is a champ in his own right. Hats off to all the boxers.
I wish all fans thought like you
cahaps don’t be mad cause he’s made more than you’ll ever see
@cahaps 1j yuyu
@@Hugh_Morris k
Well said !
I am an amateur boxer from holland and i can tell you that.. boxing Is a life saver for so many People it gives you confidence , strenght speed etc. It brought me so much !! On a personal level
@Moped Zachary I have done both . Everything in life comes with a price . Its important that people have the full knowledge of those costs , but the decisions theirs .
@Moped Zachary it's sad because i love boxing but I'm afraid, I want to box still, but some people say you can't even do light sparring, what's the point of training if you can't even do light/medium sparring?
@Moped Zachary That's my concern, even light sparring can cause brain damage? This is pretty bad, but if it causes the answer is : Not worth.
and lots of discipline.
And it will take much more away as you continue. You don't need boxing to develop any of things. The difficulty of life and the right attitude will help you gain all those things without subjecting yourself to brain damage
I cared for Phil and Denny at Gracelen Terrace in the late 90's through the early 00's. ❤
Melanie Patterson Thank you 😢
God bless you Melanie Patterson.
Woah woah, not cool. Don’t even lie about things like that. It’s disrespectful to the sport.
You are the real hero then. Thank you for the battles you fought! 😘
Sad isn't it !
The one person that I know for a fact that does more for retired boxers than anyone else is Gerry Cooney. He gets them union jobs so they can retire in dignity!! Three cheers for Gerry!!! A fellow Huntington man!! The best town on long Island!!
Jerry a great fighter an even better human being
Even Larry Holmes says Jerry is a good guy, and he is.
I think Larry Holmes is GOAT, so for Larry to say that, it says a lot.
We must all pull together and look after these old war-horses.
@@nicholasjohnson6724 *Gerry At least show enough respect to spell the mans name correctly
@@dondajulah4168 I fixed it!! K??
@@Mike383HK ty
Thank you for shedding light on the other side of this sport. Everyone remembers fighters on top, but quickly forget them when they're not.
That's not true
That’s not true, nor is this not common knowledge
@@fendertremolo9793 Very true unless you're super popular!
@@tyrant_tarantula Only those into boxing remember them, and there are 1ks of boxers it would be impossible to remember all if you tried
Take Loma for an example, Just because he lost once everyone has been counting him out as an top fighter in Lightweight
The worst of it all is that the journeymen of boxing suffer more neurological damage than the contenders and champions. You just dont hear about them after they retire.
I thought about that too. A lot of these journeymen fighters have huge amount of fights but they could never quite crack the big leagues. Took a lot of punishment doing something they love.
Ali, Willie Pep, Quarry, Frazier. The only champ that escaped brain damage that I know about is Marvin Hagler.
This is a misconception (I thought the same thing to at one point, so I don't mean any offense). The boxers who typically have the most damage are the elite ones. See "Damage" by Tris Dixon. It's a very thoroughgoing book that examines everything from anecdotal evidence to the latest cognitive and neurological studies.
@@kakonis a sombre read I imagine. I will check it out sometime.
@@adamsmith3413 And George Foreman. Larry Holmes. Mike Tyson. And many many more
So incredibly sad. I grew up watching boxing with my Dad in the 80's-early 90's. I would see those blows, where the fighter throws a right, then a life and a right and be amazed. Our bodies can't handle that. We may not look fragile, but we're definitely not made of steel. Prayers for everyone in this film.
Well said! I think you captured the feelings perfectly in your comment.
Not every fighter ends up punch drunk. Did you not watch and listen?
When you see those punches part of what you're seeing is evolution. Millions of years ago when our ancestors began to free up their hands by walking upright they pretty much immediately set about clobbering each other with their fists. This happened that the human head has actually evolved over time to take less damage from blows to the head.
That being said I agree with you sentiment. The unique consciousness of humans means we can and do push ourselves further by doing things like taking part in boxing matches. Combine that with humanity's great endurance relative to other animals and you've got people willingly turning their brains to mush by engaging in grueling fights that are in no way natural.
Once a boxer, always a boxer.
Once braindamaged, always braindamaged
Nope
@@Kenny2100vn Nope, brain's "Stem Cell" can regenerate the damaged neurons.
Right! Dogs can´t change their gender as easy as humans can!
People are critical of floyd Mayweather but after seeing this documentary you can see why he is determined to leave the game with his faculties and his money intact.
They call it the "Sweet Science" for a reason. The goal in boxing OS TO HIT & NOT GET HIT, Its not MMA ya wanna see 2 Mfs just pound on each other go watch that. They just hate on Mayweather & the funny thing is HE LAUGHS ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK, so many Floyd haters be paying for his fights just hoping to see him lose and he knows it & uses it lmfao
@Luis Castro
LOL 😆
When you can't understand your dad a light should go on.
F Fuentes you account intelligence to something that 95% of Americans learn in school? I feel bad for you bro
Leonard Holt this is true, but most of the brain damage that fighters get comes from the many rounds of sparring. If anything that would contribute to later brain damage especially since we don’t know how many hits he took in sparring. Add on 2 decades of boxing since he was a kid as well already taking hits before the brain has fully developed
Caught myself crying like a wimp a couple of times. This was like watching a documentary on veterans. Seeing Tony on the bus with that Bible, or the fact that those 2 brothers walked hand in hand and still recoqnized their wives kinda gave me hope and confirmation about the good in human life tho. They are warriors, I wish them all the best! God Bless
You're not a wimp. Of course you're going to cry.
No a wimp writes it on RUclips
Thanks for posting this documentary MoD. I am older than dirt, so I had the opportunity to view numerous fights by both Denny and Phil via television on both Wednesday and Friday night Fights . They were both skillful boxers, well-prepared and always conditioned. It was very sad and sobering to see them in a vegetable state after their careers had ended. Neither fighter was a power puncher, and consequently their fights often went the distance; and they accumulated an enormous amount of rounds along with head punches in their respective careers. They fought many opponents who could really bang, and although the Moyer boys won most of those bouts on points they took a huge number of damaging blows in the process. Those punches definitely took a huge toll on both of them.
Yep. From portland area too. Knew phil, steve, ma dad knew them all, lampkin too.
Ali: "Do I sound like I got uhhhh brain damage"
No comment. Sad face.
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He past away, Best delete this comment you commented!
EvolvedAlpha I don't think so. He lived a long and happy life.
@@BadApplesTX Ali is garbage scary cat
Yeah...that broke my heart.
this doc actually opened my eyes to the damage that sparring can cause. a straight right hand is just that. headgear won't stop one coming right down the middle. so a fighter's record does not tell the story(not even close)of damage to the head. I'll never understand how George Chuvalo took so many shots and remains lucid. but God bless him. bless them all.
Amen brother
Chuvalo stated that he was a better fighter defensively and blocked more punches than he was ever given credit for. Also helps he had an iron chin.
@@eddicarlo5362 Unfortunately this documentary was made quite a while back, and a few years ago Chuvalo was diagnosed with dementia.
@@flyingcapsicumhe’s 85 already tons of people that age have dementia who’ve never played contact sports.
I know some MMA fighters are reducing or even eliminating sparring from their training.
When they started talking about concussions and brain damage in football, the first thing I wondered was why aren't they doing studies on these boxers who can hardly even speak after their careers? How many concussions do they have per fight?
It's very good to see a documentary about this. Chivalo and Foreman are two of the few big name fighters who are still just as quick and articulate as they always were. Quite a few of them need translators to understand now.
I amazed that George Chuvalo is still alive, considering the # of punches he took.
KentA Mitchell He looks and sounds great,has great stories,he's featured in the doc Facing Ali and there is a great doc about him.
Facing Ali is awesome because of his former opponents and getting to learn their stories. That is one of my favorite documentaries
and it's very unique.
Kevin W. Mattingly My favorite part of Facing Ali is when Chuvalo sez "After the fight Ali went to the hospital with bleeding kidneys and I went dancing with my wife".. As he starts dancing around the room.Chuvalo lost 3 maybe 4 sons to heroin and his wife I believe killed herself over it,great doc on him.
plofus wilson Yes, I really liked that part too. I loved everything about that film. I'm glad they preserved all of that for posterity.
As a boxing fan this really opened my eyes to the sport ☹️
If you didn't know this side to boxing existed, you were never a fan
Can i just ask what makes u an expert?
This documentary really opened up my eyes and made me think more about the damage caused in boxing, while i was well aware of it already this sorta just cements it in me.
Boxing needs better rules and people like Don King need to banned from it completely.
One thing that bugs me about this is how they said amateur fighting is somehow better and the emphasis they put on money. Here's reality about amateur sports: *EVERYONE* but the athlete is making money. The schools make money, the networks make money, the trainers, the equipment manufacturers, everyone but the athlete.
You got a point..... But heres the thing. Some amateur sanctions are even more corrupt than pro division. In 2012 in my area or region there was an issue with betting and making profit from non profit gyms or locals/events. It got so out of hand it extended from the southern part of the state all the way up north of the state, at one point USA Boxing banned any amatures in the state from competing for over a year and a half. The gym i was working for (not at that time in particular) made about 7k from a tournament. The owner was suspended for 9 months from cornering any fights other gyms did the same and some were worse. Wont say where or when but it did happen.
Everything you said, is 100 percent true. I was one of the top strength athletes in the U. S. and the world. I started with steel rods from the railroad. I found a old shot put at a dump. I used those to exercise with at 12 yrs old. At 14 my grandmother bought me a concrete set of weights. I put them in our old basement. At this time I weighed about 86 lbs. Over the next months, I put abench together out of concrete blocks and a 4x4. I was reading Strength and Health magazine trying to learn Olympic lifting. Slowly I made some more equipment. A heavy bag made out of an old green army bag of my uncle's. I filled it with dirt an old clothes. I started weightlifting useing the concrete set. I moved tthe collars out so I could snatch. It was hard because of no rotation with the bar. By know I had a couple friends with me. We had to squat by a person on each side of the bar 'and lifting it for the person to squat. We trained everyday. Lifted weights for 2 hours, then boxed for an hour. I lifted in my 1st meet at 14yrs old. I placed 2nd to the national champion. I weighed 98lbs. I went ont to compete in over 300 competitions in 4 differtant sports. I had a very crazy life. I won the Olympic trails, silver medal in the Pan Ams. World championships. Much more. I won the natls in 2 sports over 50.I have started writing a book,but I've been getting sicker. I currently live in a small mobile home. I was in the hospital over 90 days last year. I still had plans to compete again at 60. Then I was told 3 months ago I had 6 months or less to live. I don't even know for sure what is killing me. I've been told I would be lucky to get a surgeon. I've been put in Hospise. I am still staying at home. All hospice keeps telling me is just go with it, its a new journey. It happens to everone. I'm by myself now. I still workout. I can't get any information so I can try to live. I'm not ready to die. But all I'm told is just go with it. Well I know I'm getting worse. I believe the hospital did something wrong and just want me to go away. And of course weightlifting doesn't do anything for the athletes. Sorry for writing so much. I wish you all well.
100% true. Great comment.
Don King is just a promoter.
Not always the case. As a former amateur fighter I can attest that our boxing club was ran entirely as a non profit. Our coach and trainers were all volunteers and often used their own money to transport us to events. We were fortunate enough to have the old high school gymnasium for our training facility and amateur bouts were held several times a year usually in the fall and winter. All profits went to buy equipment for our club or were donated to charity.
I shook Denny Moyers hand after a victory in the San Francisco Civic Center in 1972 when I was 15 years old. This is the most incredibly sad thing I've ever watched, and I have to accept that I was one of many that contributed to his demise.
Thank you for posting this film. Thank you to the people who made this film!!!
I think it’s important for a man to know how to box, but as a profession unless you’re ridiculously gifted there’s really no point.
Agreed
Thank you for posting this documentary...it is so very well done and informative...
I can honestly say I never thought I would say I thought a pick up game of basketball would be a beautiful thing. Much love and respect and Godspeed my friends
That was a tough watch even though I know about the dangers of boxing. When I fought back in the 80's I always had a headache on the journey home.
This "Documentary" has inspired me to start a 'Boxers Health Insurance' every fighter no matter their age must undergo extensive examinations, scans, aptitude, reflex testing, etc., quarterly. They must also learn a trade, possibly in the "Boxing Field", Trainer, Cornerman, Promotion, one of the countless positions available and which can be created to assist and respect these mighty warriors…
Let me know how that goes ma man
Michael Edward-Stevens
How's that boxer's health insurance going. Oh wait. You didn't do shit. All talk.
Captain American't I "Did" do "Shit"... American't...
Most of these punch drunk guys just kept fighting when they should have retired. Ali should have hung up the gloves after he beat Foreman, and he still would have been a legend. What he did after that was just mindblowing. It's just unfortunate he did a lot of damage to his brain when he could have avoided it by getting out of the sport in the mid or early 70's. But being Muhammad Ali must have been an amazing thing, and very difficult to walk away from.
That Ali Larry Holmes fight is sad to watch.
Doesn't Don King deserve a mention?
@@mickbowe4252 Don king didn't force Ali to fight, he only promoted a few of his fights. Who should take the blame for running Ali into the ground is the NOI, they took alot of money from him so he had to continue way beyond he needed.
Mick Bowe how long has don king been around geez I’ve only heard of him with Tyson and forward
Ralph Hunt that’s why you gotta get a prenup
Fantastic documentary.
Tough way to make a living.
Indeed it is
All those people cheering your name in the ring don't give a shit weather you live or die as soon as they are done being entertained.
I'm a boxing fan for about 50 years and have seen this documentary a few times. It gives a picture of boxing that no one likes but should be shown as well.
You can play football,tennis,Basketball but YOU CANT PLAY BOXING
.....dude you stole my quote .. shame on you ......
You still get brain damage from full contact football. Football players get mostly CTE.
Neil Hodge 1:13:34
Football and Hockey is full of CTE casualties 😯
I like to play track
After learning about cte, ive never looked at sports the same way i used to.
Jts like i dont want to watch because its so sad.
I respect the fighters even more. Still think boxing is the best thing a boy can do.
Just imagine how many brain cells Tyson destroyed during his prime. This documentary was an eye opener for me. I had no idea this much damage was being done to fighters. The brain is by far the most important part of a human body.
That doesn't really make sense, he only hit people once and it was over because he was fighting nobody's, when he fought champions and brawled he got badly beaten
@@justinparkerthewildwolf6394 Okay you don’t know anything about boxing…
@@danieleyre8913 there's always an idiot who says something stupid, today it's you
If anything I'd be more worried about Mike simply because of the chronic effect of not just taking punches (over a long boxing career, also his insane sparring where he's told to go 100% and no headgear as well) but also his drug and alcohol abuse
@@justinparkerthewildwolf6394 can tell you never watched his fights
A very good but very sad documentary. Thanks for uploading this.
Tommy Hearns, James Tony, Riddick Bowe, Meldrick Taylor, Ali, Roger Mayweather, Floyd Sr, Marlon Starling, "Punch Drunk" 👊 The List Gos on!!!!
Marlon "Moochie" Starling is damaged ? I haven't heard anything about him in years. He was a good fighter !
Terry Norris and Donald Curry as well
I think the worst part of this... these guys willingly and knowingly give up their lives, bodies and minds to do this sport. They have love for it and are willing to die for it. This loyalty, dedication and devotion to such a sport that treats them like horses at the Kentucky Derby. Horse wins every race does he get a better stable? Better food? More importantly do they get treated better? No. They are used to make money off, just like boxers. With horses, when they're injured or become too old to race anymore they shoot them. Well what's worse is being used up then thrown back into the wild all beaten, battered, bloody and old. Thrown in a world where the years of hard work to this sport will not provide any other job for them.
And even with all this they don't even care about their careers or well being. They pour dedication into a sport... a sport that purposely has them lose, throw fights, cheat, be gambled on and even has their lives ruined. Billy Collin Jr. a clear example, went undefeated for 14 wins 11 knockouts and 0 losses. A rising star that could have easily gone for the title match and won. His first loss was his last fight, a fighter's manager had taken out the padding in his fighter's (Luis Resto) glove. During the fight Carlos "Panama" Lewis also gave Resto spiked water mixed stimulants which he gave to many of his fighters. Billy Collins Jr was punched in the face and head by bare knuckles for 10 rounds straight. Tough doesn't even begin to describe him. He lost and his injuries to his eye would never allow him to fight again. The odds were stacking in Billy's favor for being such a damn good fighter and being undefeated, so Carlos Lewis could make a killing off the rigged fight betting on his own underdog. Resto was a trained boxer, he knew the gloves were different yet he didn't say anything cause Panama was his manager, and thought exposing him would destroy the man in charge of his career thus ruining his. And no other manager would work with him after cause almost all of them cheat and no one would want to work with a fighter who exposing the cheats of his previous one. They were caught but Lewis forced Resto to not talk about it, and for this they both were sent to jail for and banned from boxing forever. A year after the fight Billy committed suicide, his life after the fight was a tragic one that he wished to end sadly. Resto's life was over as well, no money and living in a basement of a gym for years and years. Even though Resto confessed and apologized saying he should have stopped fighting. He tried committing suicide, or he wanted to. Panama of course is still doing well, hustling like he always has.
This... is what they have to show for the dedicated to their sport. Scandals, Don King, cheating, gambling, controlled by mafia, rigging fights and treating boxers like shit then they turn around and make money off them. Managers and commissioners need to realize their fights, money and viewership is thanks to the fighters. Without them you'd just be shady car salesmen.
***** Almost all these guys come from a ghetto or the streets. They can't be engineers and they can't be 9 to 5 workers. They don't have the pampered life style you have and fighting is the only thing they got. And your a douchebag with no empathy so I think I'll just stop talking because you couldn't understand what life was like for these guys before boxing. Many of them were orphans or adopted, they don't have mommy and daddy to buy shit for them like your pathetic trolling ass. So run along kiddy and go argue some more on religion with the rest of the pretentious teenage brats and leave the big boy sports for us men.
***** Really... man. Go look up the bio on a lot of fighters. A lot of them come from countries where there aren't any jobs. Or they have a criminal background and can't get jobs. Not every country has it as easy as the UK or US where bumbling idiots can become president.
***** You do know there is something called passion right? Its that thing that could make you go through all hell just because you won't ever give up something? It's not just money, for a lot of them its the only way they can make money and its not very much. The manager makes more money then they do, they do it for passion. Sounds like I'm talking to a wall here cause you don't understand what that is. And if you don't like boxing... what are you doing here?
***** You don't like boxers?
DocHollowDay Quit projecting that you know what each and everyone of these guy's personal lives are like. Everything is not like the movies/tv. You could learn a lot from what MrGrevy posted.
For all the people that cry oh Floyd Mayweather B Hop or any other defensive fighters are boring just remember that these guys have families and want to leave the boxing game without compromising their health and their genius in defence should be commended rather than scrutinized. Its sad to see people end up the way they did in this doc );
Not really.
I appreciate seeing a person who can make people miss, so not really. We're not all the same.
CORRECT!!!
don't be a pro boxer if you are a coward. you know what it takes to be a pro boxer, not to run, hug, use foul acts not to get hit! BOXING IS ONLY FOR THE COURAGEOUS, not for the like of a floyd mayweather!!!
STUPID!!!
Fantastic Documentary, first and foremost! I'm a very good friend of one of Denny Moyer's Granddaughter's, and I had the great fortune to meet Denny, at our Kenpo Martial Arts Studio in Portland, Oregon in the early 1970's, and he had obvious signs of head trauma from a recent bout, but his faculties were still intact, However, seeing both Denny and Phil in the care center was devastating, Pugilistic Dementia, can be a result of many sports, such as Boxing, MMA, Martial Arts Full Contact Sparring.
being in a relationship where you are hit or thrown or shaken or just simply have so much emotional stress will also cause brain damage. Just emotional trauma can shrink the brain, lower IQ, cause mood disorders on the same spectrum as being hit(though the damage is much different it is still brain damage and can carry much of the same symptoms).
We are so fragile and stress of all kinds will hurt you
I absolutely agree.
Quote of the millennium: "I don't care if we live in a cardboard box, I would rather have my husband more than anything in the world; more than any amount of money in the world."
sureeee, cant believe anything broads say
real easy to say that now lol
Hypergamy is weak in that one for a change 😂😂
I have known women who were just that serious about their man. Even maybe have been involved with a couple such women that I did not stay with.
And I know there are many other women - e.g. in Thailand and Viet Nam - who would NEVER leave for money of anything.
if 100 bucks is made on a fight, a large percentage should go to post career support. The NFL is finally waking up to this...
The NFL just wakes up to it because they don't want to use all that money there racking in. You think they care about humans no just money. Fuck the NFL and they should die in a fucking ditch
Outstanding documentary.
you guys are great ! I my husband and I love the sport.. I have been enjoying it since the '70s...love reading your options, thoughts...
Someone should show this to Roy Jones ASAP!
I agree thank god tyson knew what to do and just kept it an exhibition fight and didnt hit him in the head it was a very gentlemen type exhibition they both made. A bunch of money on and no one got hurt thank god i believe roy may end up with brain damage later on
How strange that in life that it's the one doing the sport in the ring that wishes to not see a blood bath but rather appreciating the subtle nuances of the sport. But, those that wish to see a blood bath are those who have never stepped into the ring ever in their lives.
What's strange about it? People pay money..the fighter is getting paid. Its not rocket science
@Marten Dekker Yes, thankfully. But the mentality of, maybe, the majority of fans is the same as those going to see Roman gladiator matches, with decapitations, etc. People love their blood and violence, especially if it is served up in a way that doesn't disturb conscience or empathy, a setting in which compassion doesn't apply. People act as though a boxing match is sort-of a movie. People will take an actual beatdown and mentally regard it like a show or video game; just as people can watch WWE and react as though it were a real contest (oh, its real, alright...no disrespect to the incredible gymnastics and pain-tolerance of the wrestlers). It lets people enjoy their brutality safely.
One reason why fighters from local club fighters to Muhammed Ali and Roy Jones Jr. can always find someone, in some town in some country, willing to promote a match and make money, and give them a taste of the thrill of being in the ring - its one of the most addictive feelings, once you are just good enough to feel like you have some control over what happens in there. But an ATG quarterback, now 45 with bad knees and a weak arm, won't be of any use to a team - won't help their record. NO economic value, no pleasure for the fans. A fighter with a name, or a fighter willing to pad the record of a fighter with a name, can always make money because the name sells long after the skills and the brain cells are gone. People get to watch a beating one way or another. And, too many fans salivate at seeing violent knockouts with no empathy, no recognition that the loser is a human being.
A person has a right to take this risk. I'm a 56 year old psychologist - with experience designing licensure neuro exams with the IBF, an amateur boxing career in the past, and now still training after spinal fusion surgery, soon to be cleared to spar and prepare for a charity exhibition match. I always had good defense and power. If I got hit solidly, much, I'd just stop the sparring and any contest.. But we're talking about fighters who may be legally, borderline-competent, but who are lost in denial or an actual slow-suicide wish...or just believe that it is honorable, or necessary, or manly, to take your punishment, especially if it puts food on the table for your family. Its one thing for a free market society to let a person make their own choice about the dangers to face, or adults to agree to participate, with a real meeting of the minds, in a violent contest. Its another for there to be a system in which an opportunist can make money off the destruction of human beings who aren't capable of acting in their own best interests.
Yes, the mentality of, maybe, the majority of fans is the same as those going to see Roman gladiator matches, with decapitations, etc. You're partly right, I think. Many fighters either simply accept the violence, love it, see it as what makes their efforts special - executing their nuanced skills in the face of pain and violence. Some take seriously the "hit and not get hit" aspect. Some just love the adrenaline and dopamine rush and realize that boxing doesn't usually hurt that much while you're in there....although a well-played body shot can make you wish for a quick death.
Many fans love their blood and violence, especially if it is served up in a way that doesn't disturb conscience or empathy, a setting in which compassion doesn't apply. People act as though a boxing match is sort-of a movie. People will take an actual beatdown and mentally regard it like a show or video game; just as people can watch WWE and react as though it were a real contest (oh, its real, alright...no disrespect to the incredible gymnastics and pain-tolerance of the wrestlers). It lets people enjoy their brutality
safely.
One reason why fighters from local club fighters to Muhammed Ali and Roy Jones Jr. can always find someone, in some town in some country, willing to promote a match and make money, and give them a taste of the thrill of being in the ring - its one of the most addictive feelings, once you are just good enough to feel like you have some control over what happens in there. But an ATG quarterback, now 45 with bad knees and a weak arm, won't be of any use to a team - won't help their record. NO economic value, no pleasure for the fans. A fighter with a name, or a fighter willing to pad the record of a fighter with a name, can always make money because the name sells long after the skills and the brain cells are gone. People get to watch a beating one way or another. And, too many fans salivate at seeing violent knockouts with no empathy, no recognition that the loser is a human being.
A person has a right to take this risk. I'm a 56 year old psychologist - with experience designing licensure neuro exams with the IBF, an amateur boxing career in the past, and now still training after spinal fusion surgery, soon to be cleared to spar and prepare for a charity exhibition match. I always had good defense and power. If I got hit solidly, much, I'd just stop the sparring and any contest.. But we're talking about fighters who may be legally, borderline-competent, but who are lost in denial or an actual slow-suicide wish...or just believe that it is honorable, or necessary, or manly, to take your punishment, especially if it puts food on the table for your family. Its one thing for a free market society to let a person make their own choice about the dangers to face, or adults to agree to participate, with a real meeting of the minds, in a violent contest. Its another for there to be a system in which an opportunist can make money off the destruction of human beings who aren't capable of acting in their own best interests.
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This is the equivalent of saying “how strange is it that the one getting paid to do the job doesn’t want to do anything but the guy who pays the money wants the job to be done” 🤷🏻🤦🏻♂️
A tastefully done piece shedding light on an endeavor who’s dark-side painfully outweighs its positive elements.
Powerful documentary
Always loved boxing and always will. Started Jiujitsu a year ago, and before I knew it found myself rarely lacing up the gloves - probably for the best. I'd like to see the industry take better care of guys like Daniel Franco - glad he is recovering.
I've never seen boxing as a means to thill people through violence. I love watching two great fighters displaying skills which most people could never master. For me, it is a contest between two men where skill, physical conditioning and courage are the attraction.
That’s fine, but that isn’t representative of what the average fan feels.
Great Documentary
This is a great documentary.
Very powerful, deep, emotional, and touching wake-up call.
Knowledgeable research by many who care for them.
Scenes that leave a mark on your conscience now that you've seen what goes on behind closed doors.
... and those quotes by William Lloyd Garrison ...
Thank you for bringing to light the Retired Boxers Foundation's existence.
This documentary has strapped me to my chair to see the entire video and has opened my eyes to see the other side of BOXING'S GLORY. I feel right now... SO BLESSED and look forward to charish all the moments and love my son more than ever. I always loved contact sports like Martial Arts and Boxing so at a young age i showed my son self defense at home (he was 4). So at the age of 7 i put him in Karate where his teacher was one of the instructors of the 1984 Olimpics for the US. He said my son was much more advanced than all his students, he said as if my son had already gone to a fighting program of a kind. But after a several weeks my son didn't want to go anymore because his teacher had not put him to fight, it was more time in disapline and preparation and workout excerises than fighting. He wanted boxing lessons but the boxing gym would not take him in till he had 8 years. So once he turned 8 i quickly took him to Oscar Dela Hoya's gym in East Los Angeles and his coach was quickly surprised with his skills. Infact very shortly he told me he wanted to put my son to spare with his best fighter ( i was kind of scared for a moment). Because they have you sign papers where you basically agree that if he gets hurt due to the risk of the sport they were not resposible. But i went ahead and signed, in a very short time my son was at the top of his weight division in the gym. He never lossed a fight at the gym or at touraments many times we could not get fights for him because he was very thin and once the other team coaches would find out their sons or fighters were matched against my son they would not showup. This stratagy is done because they know the other fighter is much better and don't want their fighter to loose and later has their self confidence damaged and possibly not fight the same again. I would get dissappointed for not getting fights in several tournaments so i had my son fight all the times with heavier kids and still win the fights. I even told my son he had to hit his oppenents in a way to make them bleed to frighten them so they would get discouraged.
Until 1 day my Pastor from Church told me not to take my son to boxing anymore because one day eventually he would start getting hit on the head. I said but no one has ever beaten him, he replied " I know that's why i telling you!! But the words that i'll never forget is when he said " BUT JUST AS ALL CHAMPIONS DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP THEY WILL EVENTUALLY GET BRAIN DAMAGE OF TOO MANY HEAD SHOTS" He also asked me do you want your son to be brain damaged eventually because he will not know when to stop because the majority of fighters don't know when to stop. HE WAS RIGHT ALL THE TIME!!!!!
I thank GOD for me stopping him on time from boxing IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!and now watching this video JUST MAKES ME KNOW THAT WE DID THE RIGHT DECISION ON REMOVING HIM FROM THE SPORT. We've seen several fighters go pro that he fought when they were kids that he won against, but today after seeing this video i feel JOYFULL i pulled him out from BOXING. Now we always see the boxing and UFC matches together on TV and BELIEVE ME I'N GOING TO HAVE HIM WATCH THIS VIDEO THIS WEEKEND.
I advise everyone to show this VIDEO to all your friends and loved ones so everyone can see the DAMAGE CAUSED BY OTHER SIDE OF BOXING'S GLORY.
GOD BLESS ALL THE FAMALIES FROM THE VIDEO AND ALL OF YOU.
awesome ! eye opening & hard hitting documentary.
Profound and moving documentary.
I've never been so moved by a documentary . I can't look at boxing the same after this .
Fathers should not pressure their own child for a win. Fathers whos in the coner should hold off their own pride for the safety of their children
Excellent documentary.
beautiful docu
Gotta give respect to Floyd Mayweather Jr. for making Defense COOL.
And all for nothing. He's dumb as Hell anyway, lol.
He's not the first defensive fighter.
I guess no one ever heard of willie pep
Thats was JamesToney!!!
He did it right!
If only Ali could have retired after Manila..
+Austin Smith amen
it twudnt matter,the damage was done in the 60s bcos his doc said he seen signs in 71, so if there were signs in 71 the damage was done 2 or 3 years before that
Farmer Tom
He never should have done the comeback
He would have ended up differently
What a good documentary.
Absolutely fascinating watch. This video came on after I was watching a random match I ended up watching the whole hr and 20 mins. So well put together completely opened my eye's. Everyone knows it's a dangerous sport, I used to amateur box myself just thought it was a bit of fun as you always hugged your opponent after the fight. This video was hard to watch as you see just how much damage it can cause in the long term. Even now it can never be made safe but it's the fighters choice as their is too much money nowadays 🥊😎
I swear some boxing coaches are a lot more selfish than most people, they would actually prefer their boxer to continue fighting even after having surgery, with the possibility of brain bleeding occurring again SMH!
kid_ from_nyc man I love fighting honestly an they won't let me fight again due to something that may happen. Anything can happen in boxing why can't I fight if the risk is actually less.
The 2 brothers were heartbreaking to see and said the same sort of things my mother said after she had a debilitating stroke and deteriorated rapidly day by day ,it's sad to think a sport I love caused that .Gridiron football effects more as does rugby so ive read though.
This was so good
Very very sad but brilliant documentry
I read Tris Dixon's book "Damaged: the untold story of brain damage in Boxing"; it along with this documentary changed my ENTIRE boxing routine, philosophy, and sparring frequency and personal protocols.
42:01 that hit sent chills down my spine
Angelo Dundee was a piece of shit for allowing Ali to continue fighting in the late 70's. He didn't care about Ali. He cared about being the trainer of the heavyweight champion. I feel his is partially responsible for what happened to Ali, because Ali would have listened to Angelo if Angelo told him that he really was worried about his brain and wanted him to retire.
i go with that,had dundee told him retire NOW after manila those last 10 fights would never have happened.RIP GOAT..
Not true Ali would only listen to the black Muslims. The black Muslims were in charge of throwing in the towel. Dundee was desperate for him to retire so was Ali’s doctor who quit but Dundee stayed coz he didn’t want to leave him solely in the black Muslims hands.
Excellent documentary !
This really Opened my eyes about what the boxers go through beyond boxing and the dangers
On the Ali vs Berbick fight, Ali showed all symptoms of dementia pugilistica. Gotta know your limits, man.
I just had my first amateur bout. I'm considering hanging up the gloves before it's too late
Lord Lobov do it . We can't get our minds back
@@thetraveler9 can't fight with that attitude
@@blademaster9575 I'll live by the sword. And I will die by the sword. You cant just like boxing and box. You have to love it if you wanna box.
Artem the 🐐
What did you decide?
Great video!
This was really sad but brought light to the other side of boxers that we may never have heard about
I don't watch boxing to see blood, I watch boxing for the technical prowess, human drama (heart) and athletic conditioning. The violence is just a consequence to that for me, but by no means do I want to see a bloodbath
Bre Fujimoto bs
Bre Fujimoto That's a fallacy.
Bre Fujimoto true
Bre Fujimoto so go watch ballet instead.
And I read playboy for the articles.
Matthew Chan the difference between ballet and boxing is that ballet is more about choreography and muscle memory/athleticism while boxing is a direct competition; so that's a bad comparison. That competition is what I want to see -- who wants it more, who has more heart, who is smarter, who can adapt, etc. The sweet science.
Boxing, combat sports, aren't just about seeing who is stronger and who can knock out who. That's like saying Ali is boring to watch because he doesn't have as many knockouts as Tyson. Definitely not the case -- Ali is one of my favorite fighters, and I prefer to watch him, Sugar Ray Robinson/Leonard, Louis, Whitaker, etc -- than say a normal street brawl, or two chumps with gloves showcasing no technique for the sake of bloodshed.
To answer Alis question
"Do I sound like I have brain damage"? Yes. You do .
Ali wanted to fight. Hard to stop someone from doing what he wants to do. Free will, baby John.
@@DIVISIONINCISION I know he wanted to fight but he had brain damage. He shouldn't have fought past 1970.
Great documentary
Thanks for the upload. Great to learn this.
Gerald McClennan v Nigel Benn, anyone?
+Simon Finch That was a brutal one
break my heart when i see G man
Was one of the greatest fights I ever saw.
Simon Finch
How about Michael Watson vs Chris Eubanks II ???
Still, nothing beats the Tyson Fury v Klitschko war for me. Was tje fight that put heavyweight boxing back on the map.
Whats the last song called?
Good documentary!
MK Dallas great point about wraps. some times they look pretty scary.
Too sad to watch again. Good documentary.
It blows my mind that the old time boxers sometimes had like 150-200 fights and fought way more frequently than present fighters.
Hard brave men. Heroes for all time. Best role models for young boxers now
1:01:43 Absolutely heart wrenching at the highest level.
The Moyers looks so young! They fought in the 50s and 60s and looks so young. Bless their handsome hearts
I am a amateur boxer right now and iam training to go pro I knew the risk before I entered the sport . Thats why u always have to surround urself with good people if ur trainer knows u had enough.
Please stop you only have one brain🙏.
@@JaneDoe-ci3gj and it would be worth it to risk that brain than to try to live forever with perfect health and never manifest your passion. Shoot me first
Give it a good thought...I think this documentary shows how bad things can get, and how difficult it is to actually stay safe. Humans are fragile and by no means made of steel. Sad thing is that you can be a pro for a very short time, think about your health in the long-run even if its difficult to imagine now, and measure the actual pro and cons from that point of view. It's a tough call and a difficult perspective when you are young and feel invincible but just try to imagine. When I was 18 I didn't value life at 40 or 50 it just looked so lame and far anyway, now in my late 30s I start to appreciate all its possibilities, and value it a bit more than I actually did before. Hope this doesn't sound too paternalistic but be happy and healthy anyway you choose to live.
@@blademaster9575 You can develop other passions.
@@luke7964 not authentically
being good with money gives you choices.
Boxing will always be a huge part of me. I never went pro even though i really wanted to but it wasnt Gods plan, but i fought amateur and i was pretty damn good. Yes i do have some small issues like remembering directions when driving, forgetting stuff, things like that. But ive loved boxing from 9 years old till today at almost 44 years old and i always will. I knew when i stepped through those ropes that me or the other guy could die, all of us who have fought amateur or pro know that. But thats the risk, boxing is a sport and in my opinion its the most beautiful sport because its pure and simple, brutality and poetry in motion at the same time. But you dont "play" boxing like you play other sports. Ill always love it and ill always love the memories from my time in the ring, and ill always wonder how good of a pro i might have been. But only those of us who have laced em on and stepped through the ropes know where im coming from. Boxing lives in us long after we hang up the gloves.
why didn’t you pursue being a “pro” boxer?
@@TitoMrls long story involving my now ex wife. Dont wanna get in to it.
you are awesome
Some of these guys fight way too long.
Alexander fuck do you know about it?
Thanks captain obvious
Foreman fight long and he is in good condition now ;)
Marian Pe he had like a 20 year lay off though...
Blood Time Maximus Full Throttle Productions he’s right, there’s bo reason to be fighting after 35 unless you’re body hasn’t took a lot of punishment
and people keep saying that Mayweather fights like a chicken..when they dont put themselves on this kind of danger this videos shows you why Floyd fights so smart..so he wont end up like this
Come may the 2nd he well know what its like to get hit hard, but I wouldn't want to see him really hurt. Sad documentary
Makoto Shishio The main reason why people don't like him and symphatize to Pacqiao for example mostly because of his behavior outside the ring.
Makoto Shishio This video doesnt encourage brawl but at least give the fans an exciting fight, not nececessarily a brawl. Floyd's boxing is a boxing of the cowards and greed for money; he is a pseudo-boxer!!!
leonardo espiritu Found a "Hater", If having the best defensive boxing in History is "pseudo-boxing" then the fuck does that mean for the entire shitty sport of boxing.
you, know i was watching one of his old fights,and i was making fun of that backing move he does I WONT ANYMORE
Truly a very touching documentary. So Glad to see that the sport I advancing these days and that archaic methods are slowly dying out. Fighters in those times had it very rough! Way to much fights and way to much sparring. In today's era many coaches are now studying the body way more and know so much more. Periodzation is a great thing these days things are well planned out to not put so much wear and tear on the fighters bodies. Not to say that this sport is deemed safe because of these advancements but it does help in a way. Fighters of old were training up to 4 Times a day at times, sparring daily and at times fighting weekly or every other week. This was DISASTROUS to the brain and body. Now trainers are seeing the right way. Sparring guys once a week or every other week is great these days. Focusing more on strengthening the body more etc... Boxing today is much safer in my opinion that Boxing of yesteryear. And to me This is a good thing.
Respect too each and every one of you boxer's 👍🇬🇧✌
"Do i sound like i have brain damage?" yes, yes you do.
A harsh reality for certain.
It has too be one of the toughest sports.. The Retired Boxers Foundation is very important.. People need to support that.
Gut wrenching but informative for the future athletes and parents!!!!
The tony and Jeff story was so sad. I feel so sad for both of them