You don't need the BBC. You are producing better quality material than they currently are. You are informative and interesting and funny! (I was glad to be alone when I enjoyed your French revolution joke, so that no one saw my reaction.)
Dude someone needs to pick you up and hand you their entire production department! You would be an incredible investment for any educational media institution. Your videos are brilliantly informative and exceptionally presented. Subbed!
StainlessChords I totally agree. Perhaps the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), might be wise enough to consider negotiations. I say this becauseis RIGHT NOW, we desperately need to excite young students to consider STEM/ engineering studies, and an ABC documentary series written, directed and narrated by you would most certainly be stimulating and enlightening. Please contact them.
PLEASE make/upload part 2! This video was so enjoyable. I loved the way you really delved into the history of each person behind each object; so interesting.
I hardly ever comment on videos but your channel is amazing. Thanks for putting all the hours that I know go into the editing and putting it out there. I had no idea about the Paris museum, but now I can't wait to go there and check it out. Great natural follow up to your weights and measures vid! Excited to see more.
My wife and I want to thank you for this video. We saw it while planning our last trip to France in mid-2019 and, as museum junkies, and interested in technology, we put it on our "must see" list. While the rest of our tour group went off to see Versailles and other places that we had already seen on another trip,hours As a professional chemist I was particularly interested in the re-creation of Lavoisier's laboratory with his actual equipment!
And this video just proves that I love engineering; so glad I chose that as my future. The classes are hard at times (more often than not), but seeing the early tech and how far we have come always makes it worthwhile!
It's wonderful that so many historical artifacts survived. I would take forever to make it through a museum like that, jaw-dropping at many, many displays.
This was truly amazing! I live in Europe and i read those books a lot when i was a little kid, but i hadn't realised how great those collections realy are in reality. I wish i can see them one day.
Read somewhere thAt Lavoisier told a friend that he would blink his eyes once a second for as long as he could after his head was "removed." Supposedly he got to about 20.
I discovered your page just a few days ago. Im you devoted fan now. Your videos are so clever, interesting, amusing, and some times moving. Thank you very much!!
A great tour through the mechanical wonders of a Paris museum! A fun and thoughtful reflection on how tools have shaped us and shaped our world -- from the lab equipment used to first describe oxygen, to programmable looms that are the ancestors of computers, this video has it all!
anyone in the midwest usa that would love to see machines like these and hear the stories behind them check out the Watkins Woolen Mill in Lawson, MO. its actually a complete steam driven woolen factory from the late 1800s with a grain mill and farm house for the history lovers. for purely machine thinkers the mill tour is a solo adventure that will blow your mind with automatic looms like in this video
Were it not for Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum I would never have guessed that such a museum exists in Paris. Amazing to finally get to see the inside with an excellent virtual tour guide. Cheers
This is a really excellent video, amazing job @machinethinking, i have been all my life wondering about those many ancient France scientist. They were science titans for me, Descartes, Pascal, Laplace, Fermat and many others. Today world wouldn't be possible without them. Incredible footage
Thank you MT. Always been interested on old scientific machines. Would love to go to that museum. Went with my dad in the late 40’s to Science and Natural History museums in London. I will lookout for your next videos.
omgoodness... Thank you, thank you, thank you !! my new favourite channel. Exciting & Inspiring. Now I want to study French so I can go to France and immerse myself in this museum. In fact, I now want to go to every museum of science worth going to, (except in the USA). I will never forget my excitement and delight in visiting the Museum of Science & Industry, Chicago in 1972. I truly appreciate the work you do creating these documentaries. 💟💟
Maybe some people would wonder why the word " arts " appears in the name of this museum that is dedicated to science and machines, and not to painting or sculpture etc. It is because the word " art " comes from the latin word "ars , artis " that means technique. Thank you very much for your so interesting videos.
very good video I found it so interesting how the loom evolved. Back in the 70s my first job was working in a cotton me and they were still using Jacquard looms ,we called them box looms and cards were laced together and controlled the head located above the loom. As a smash hand my job was to count the picks then roll back the cards to just the right position and restart the loom. Later I moved on to become a loom fixer which at the time was a very good paying job. It was normally a job given to men in their 50s or so after many years of weaving experience but at the time I was like 16 or 17 so I was cock of the walk lol. Cotton mill work was hard and continuous we didn't have break time like they have allotted today. You have to keep the looms running none stop and grab a bite in between but we enjoyed our work and I worked with some very good people, They were men of a different time and caliber very different than today
Absolutely fascinating. The key moment for me was turning the paper used to make the pinned music rollers into the program. I would say this is the moment when computers were born. Turning a fixed pattern into a continuous one . Inspirational .
This channel is so informative, interesting and enlightening! It really puts specific innovations and technological advancement in to societal perspective. And it's told in such a calm and steady, yet inspiring way! You really should have at least 4 times as many subscribers.
To me, your video series is one of the best tribute to Science, Science History, and it is also showing your humanity and open mind. Thank you and Congratulations. (liked and subscribed)
I found your Channel, not sure that's the best term, JUST when I was trying to curb my screen time. Alas Knowledge and clarity of thought wins again. Well done Sir.
James Burke was then. This is now. And these histories carry the torch quite well. I feel the same personal enthusiasm of discovery as I did decades ago when I closely followed Burke as first a writer, then a television documentary historian. I even modelled my education and professional goals given Burke's rendering of our shared existential pedigrees (still have the research lab, but in storage). These histories are didactic on steroids. My audience experience might once have been called a salient 'gestalt', others an "aha" or "eureka" moment, but it is present here whatever the label, and most satisfying to experience once again. Bravo
Wonderful. Awesome. A real gem of a channel, truly honouring those brilliant minds that in a time of almost absolute knowledge darkness were able to shed light on entire fields of science. Congratulations! And, BBC should be afraid of you.
In the Army I was a field artillery surveyor. After I got out went to college and Vo-Tech. Then I spent the next 20+ years working in the industrial sector as an instrumentation and controls technician. Each of those things was totally unknown to me before I started on each journey. I actually looked blankly at the recruiter, and asked, "surveyor...you mean like the people in the mall that ask you questions?" I have dyslexia bad and I hated math, so I don't know how I kept ending up in mostly math driven occupations. I was a good instrument tech though and I even designed a few systems for air fuel ratio controllers for boilers and thermal oxidizers. Gas flow detection and safeties that go with it, too. Sorry, I get long winded when instrumentation comes up. Point is, instrumentation and FA surveyor were both dyslexia killers (me) and I may have popped a blood vessel in my eye when first introduced to logarithms, or got mental whiplash the first time a coriolis meter was shoved at me and told me to "fix it". I took to them both though, more like drawn to them and excelled. Dyslexia was a grade school terror back when I was a kid, 50 years ago. The US public schools idea of treating it was to force me to wear glasses. ...yes I have 20/20 vision so...I don't get it either LOL. I'm surprised still that I survived public high school. Great job on these videos! I'd like to camp out in this museum. I'd get thrown out for getting into the cases lol. Worth it!
I'm stumped (and envious) at how you got to film inside. We were specifically forbidden to photo or video on our last visit. (same treatment at the D'Orsay as well) It is one of my favorite museums, but I can't wait until Cite' de Sciences finally gets all their renovations completed.
I just can t believe it... I didn t know about this machines!!!!, I just knew about the "Pascalina" but the others....man, amazing, thank you for this video!!!!
"The French Revolution is a vast complicated subject but that's not going to stop me grossly oversimplifying it" made me genuinely LOL! :) :) :) And you've got a genuine OMG there too: that vice at 3:21 ... I want a whole video about that, so that I can coo over it for hours!
There are so many Paris museums and confusing which museum this is. Because I really really want to go and visit that place. You made a wonderful full of insight info. Keep up the awesome work you do.
I would just like to say that you channel is my new favourite. I came to you from Alec Steele's channel as I'm sure many more will .your passion for your subjects is infectious as I have only found your channel today and have watched several already .top marks for a top channel
Spell binding I want to go to Paris... Amazing to "See" things in actuality that I have only seen as prints in book not realizing they physically exist at the Musée des Arts et Métiers. Don't worry about James Burke, awesome as he is and was a lot of what he did frankly was an exercise in ADD where he connected dot's half the time that were a bit "Iffy" / spurious / tangential BUT made for excellent TV. On shoulders of giants... @Machine Thinking your channel holds up well.
thanks for reminding me of James Burke and his great version of history which made me want to learn more history bc it actually comes alive that way much like your channel
My son (10y/o) often accompanies me when I drive around doing what I do. We talk and joke and listen to audio books; WHAT IF and A SHORT HISTORY OF NEARLY EVERYTHING are his favorites...mine too. Sometimes I'll let him watch certain RUclips channels and yours is now top of that list.
Just stumble upon your channel. And for me the content that you are producing is incredibly interesting and also very well done. Looking fwd to see more
If I do not set a timer to go to work again in my metalworkshop.....I would watch all Day long!!!!!! Great video's!!!!!!!!!! Can't wat to go to Paris.....
I subscribed after viewing"Origins of Precision and first project introduction"; this video is the quality that the first video promised. Thank you for producing the videos, you are of that group that insures the WWW does fulfills it's promise. Ans an US citizen my take is that the business and government elite in the USA purposely foster disdain to the point of outright hatred for the French within American consumers and labor Our government of the merchants, by the merchants fear nothing more that the people who make every economy thrive, figuring out it's they not the merchants who make the capital. That probably frightens the afore mentioned US lite thna the guillotine would
5:20 Wasn't the antikythera device an earlier mechanical calculator? I recall Ian Stewart discussing it in a book on Chaos theory. As far as I know, it was a mechanical calculator for differentials, used in ancient Greek navigation.
I've always been taught that Joseph Priestley discovered oxygen, and noted its role in combustion. While Priestley certainly misunderstood his own discoveries, I don't think Lavoisier can be correctly called the discoverer of oxygen, or even its role in combustion. While he was the first to identify oxygen as an element, he wasn't the first to identify its existence; and though he detailed part of the chemical pathway of combustion reactions, his analysis was neither complete, nor the first to claim oxygen was important to it. I think it's easy sometimes to credit a few men in history with more than they were personally responsible for (Columbus, Edison, etc.), and while I appreciate the credit you give to Marie-Anne, I really feel you fell into that trap.
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As a student of the arts et métiers school, i'm impressed with how much i've learned about my own school in this video
An amazing place with such a a great history. Please pass this on to others there!
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You don't need the BBC. You are producing better quality material than they currently are. You are informative and interesting and funny! (I was glad to be alone when I enjoyed your French revolution joke, so that no one saw my reaction.)
back up your wagon...
slow ur roll homie, connections is a timeless masterpiece
I mean this is awesome but it’s basically a slide show with videos. Dope vibes
Dude someone needs to pick you up and hand you their entire production department! You would be an incredible investment for any educational media institution. Your videos are brilliantly informative and exceptionally presented. Subbed!
StainlessChords
I totally agree. Perhaps the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), might be wise enough to consider negotiations.
I say this becauseis RIGHT NOW, we desperately need to excite young students to consider STEM/ engineering studies, and an ABC documentary series written, directed and narrated by you would most certainly be stimulating and enlightening. Please contact them.
PLEASE make/upload part 2! This video was so enjoyable. I loved the way you really delved into the history of each person behind each object; so interesting.
I hardly ever comment on videos but your channel is amazing. Thanks for putting all the hours that I know go into the editing and putting it out there. I had no idea about the Paris museum, but now I can't wait to go there and check it out. Great natural follow up to your weights and measures vid! Excited to see more.
My wife and I want to thank you for this video.
We saw it while planning our last trip to France in mid-2019 and, as museum junkies, and interested in technology, we put it on our "must see" list. While the rest of our tour group went off to see Versailles and other places that we had already seen on another trip,hours
As a professional chemist I was particularly interested in the re-creation of Lavoisier's laboratory with his actual equipment!
Love it!!
And this video just proves that I love engineering; so glad I chose that as my future. The classes are hard at times (more often than not), but seeing the early tech and how far we have come always makes it worthwhile!
I just discovered your channel and I absolutely love it. Cheers from Germany.
It's wonderful that so many historical artifacts survived. I would take forever to make it through a museum like that, jaw-dropping at many, many displays.
I love the way you present everything. It is so emotional, it gives me goose bumps. Thanks a lot, you are awesome!
This was truly amazing! I live in Europe and i read those books a lot when i was a little kid, but i hadn't realised how great those collections realy are in reality. I wish i can see them one day.
Read somewhere thAt Lavoisier told a friend that he would blink his eyes once a second for as long as he could after his head was "removed." Supposedly he got to about 20.
Wow that is really some dedication to science
That's an urban legend.
@@danield7740 It's also false.
I discovered your page just a few days ago. Im you devoted fan now. Your videos are so clever, interesting, amusing, and some times moving. Thank you very much!!
What happened to part II?
Great video :D
Amazing video, the KSP OST made me it clear you are a man of culture aswell. Amazing writing and editing
a perfect documentary about a perfect museum
A great tour through the mechanical wonders of a Paris museum! A fun and thoughtful reflection on how tools have shaped us and shaped our world -- from the lab equipment used to first describe oxygen, to programmable looms that are the ancestors of computers, this video has it all!
anyone in the midwest usa that would love to see machines like these and hear the stories behind them check out the Watkins Woolen Mill in Lawson, MO. its actually a complete steam driven woolen factory from the late 1800s with a grain mill and farm house for the history lovers. for purely machine thinkers the mill tour is a solo adventure that will blow your mind with automatic looms like in this video
Thanks for the heads up
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I really liked your video man. Thanks for showing us this wonderful place. I hope your channel blows up man.
vos vidéos sont de toutes beautés
Thank you for your nice comment. And thank you for not making fun of how badly I speak French!
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Were it not for Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum I would never have guessed that such a museum exists in Paris. Amazing to finally get to see the inside with an excellent virtual tour guide. Cheers
Le musée des art et métiers is by far the best museum in paris. And not that much crowded with tourist...
It will be a bit more visited after this great video!
This is a really excellent video, amazing job @machinethinking, i have been all my life wondering about those many ancient France scientist. They were science titans for me, Descartes, Pascal, Laplace, Fermat and many others. Today world wouldn't be possible without them. Incredible footage
Thank you MT. Always been interested on old scientific machines. Would love to go to that museum. Went with my dad in the late 40’s to Science and Natural History museums in London. I will lookout for your next videos.
omgoodness... Thank you, thank you, thank you !!
my new favourite channel. Exciting & Inspiring.
Now I want to study French so I can go to France and immerse myself in this museum.
In fact, I now want to go to every museum of science worth going to, (except in the USA).
I will never forget my excitement and delight in visiting the Museum of Science & Industry, Chicago in 1972.
I truly appreciate the work you do creating these documentaries. 💟💟
Maybe some people would wonder why the word " arts " appears in the name of this museum that is dedicated to science and machines, and not to painting or sculpture etc.
It is because the word " art " comes from the latin word "ars , artis " that means technique. Thank you very much for your so interesting videos.
very good video I found it so interesting how the loom evolved. Back in the 70s my first job was working in a cotton me and they were still using Jacquard looms ,we called them box looms and cards were laced together and controlled the head located above the loom. As a smash hand my job was to count the picks then roll back the cards to just the right position and restart the loom. Later I moved on to become a loom fixer which at the time was a very good paying job. It was normally a job given to men in their 50s or so after many years of weaving experience but at the time I was like 16 or 17 so I was cock of the walk lol. Cotton mill work was hard and continuous we didn't have break time like they have allotted today. You have to keep the looms running none stop and grab a bite in between but we enjoyed our work and I worked with some very good people, They were men of a different time and caliber very different than today
Absolutely fascinating. The key moment for me was turning the paper used to make the pinned music rollers into the program. I would say this is the moment when computers were born. Turning a fixed pattern into a continuous one . Inspirational .
This is definitely my favorite channel on youtube. Great videos.
Seriously, I can't thank you enough for this content!
I just found this channel and I'm in love. A competent content creator!!!!
IMHO it's a magical place, I could have spent a week inside watching carefully every piece.
Your documentaries are truly astounding. Thank you very very much for sharing your insight.
This channel is so informative, interesting and enlightening! It really puts specific innovations and technological advancement in to societal perspective. And it's told in such a calm and steady, yet inspiring way! You really should have at least 4 times as many subscribers.
To me, your video series is one of the best tribute to Science, Science History, and it is also showing your humanity and open mind. Thank you and Congratulations. (liked and subscribed)
An unfortunate parting of ways with his head... Very nice. I salute you Sir.
I found your Channel, not sure that's the best term, JUST when I was trying to curb my screen time. Alas Knowledge and clarity of thought wins again. Well done Sir.
I could spend a year in this museum alone
Me too. I wish I got a chance to visit some day
Brilliant video. I visited the musee just before Covid and this video makes me want to go back again!
James Burke was then. This is now. And these histories carry the torch quite well. I feel the same personal enthusiasm of discovery as I did decades ago when I closely followed Burke as first a writer, then a television documentary historian. I even modelled my education and professional goals given Burke's rendering of our shared existential pedigrees (still have the research lab, but in storage).
These histories are didactic on steroids. My audience experience might once have been called a salient 'gestalt', others an "aha" or "eureka" moment, but it is present here whatever the label, and most satisfying to experience once again.
Bravo
Wonderful. Awesome. A real gem of a channel, truly honouring those brilliant minds that in a time of almost absolute knowledge darkness were able to shed light on entire fields of science. Congratulations! And, BBC should be afraid of you.
In the Army I was a field artillery surveyor. After I got out went to college and Vo-Tech. Then I spent the next 20+ years working in the industrial sector as an instrumentation and controls technician. Each of those things was totally unknown to me before I started on each journey. I actually looked blankly at the recruiter, and asked, "surveyor...you mean like the people in the mall that ask you questions?" I have dyslexia bad and I hated math, so I don't know how I kept ending up in mostly math driven occupations. I was a good instrument tech though and I even designed a few systems for air fuel ratio controllers for boilers and thermal oxidizers. Gas flow detection and safeties that go with it, too. Sorry, I get long winded when instrumentation comes up. Point is, instrumentation and FA surveyor were both dyslexia killers (me) and I may have popped a blood vessel in my eye when first introduced to logarithms, or got mental whiplash the first time a coriolis meter was shoved at me and told me to "fix it". I took to them both though, more like drawn to them and excelled. Dyslexia was a grade school terror back when I was a kid, 50 years ago. The US public schools idea of treating it was to force me to wear glasses. ...yes I have 20/20 vision so...I don't get it either LOL. I'm surprised still that I survived public high school.
Great job on these videos! I'd like to camp out in this museum. I'd get thrown out for getting into the cases lol. Worth it!
This is cool as hell. I thought the museum of arts and crafts would be quilts and hankies, but I'm definitely stopping there next time I'm in Paris.
Wow. I am so happy I watched this. Just amazing. Going there is officially number one on my bucket list.
I'm stumped (and envious) at how you got to film inside. We were specifically forbidden to photo or video on our last visit. (same treatment at the D'Orsay as well) It is one of my favorite museums, but I can't wait until Cite' de Sciences finally gets all their renovations completed.
I just can t believe it... I didn t know about this machines!!!!, I just knew about the "Pascalina" but the others....man, amazing, thank you for this video!!!!
Just been to the museum for the first time....so rich..every exhibit was fascinating, even the train Turks sunk in the floor.
Thank you so much for your wonderful videos. I'm so glad I found you on RUclips!
Thoroughly enjoyable from any perspective!
My favorite channel atm, great work!
the museum of arts et metiers is an excessive wonder to behold - you can spend a week in just one section!!
"The French Revolution is a vast complicated subject but that's not going to stop me grossly oversimplifying it" made me genuinely LOL! :) :) :)
And you've got a genuine OMG there too: that vice at 3:21 ... I want a whole video about that, so that I can coo over it for hours!
I saw that vice as well and thought : 'Wow! These guys are a way out of my league'.
There are so many Paris museums and confusing which museum this is. Because I really really want to go and visit that place. You made a wonderful full of insight info. Keep up the awesome work you do.
I found it! there are in "Musée des Arts et Métiers" Metiers Art Museum in Paris.
Two videos and you sold me. Subscribed.
Nice to see the acknowledgement of James Burke's "Connections", an excellent study and program. Good luck getting BBC to respond!
When are you posting part 2? Great videos btw!
I would just like to say that you channel is my new favourite. I came to you from Alec Steele's channel as I'm sure many more will .your passion for your subjects is infectious as I have only found your channel today and have watched several already .top marks for a top channel
Now I know where I'm going when I visit Paris this summer!
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Also known as Kevin MacLeod.
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Spell binding I want to go to Paris... Amazing to "See" things in actuality that I have only seen as prints in book not realizing they physically exist at the Musée des Arts et Métiers. Don't worry about James Burke, awesome as he is and was a lot of what he did frankly was an exercise in ADD where he connected dot's half the time that were a bit "Iffy" / spurious / tangential BUT made for excellent TV. On shoulders of giants... @Machine Thinking your channel holds up well.
Once again I gotta say, EXTREMELY INTERESTING STUFF!...keep up the good work.
New favorite channel!
years later and I am STILL waiting for the follow-up video of this.
thanks for reminding me of James Burke and his great version of history which made me want to learn more history bc it actually comes alive that way much like your channel
another connection to looms is that Von Neuman's uncle owned a mill in Hungary before the war
A must see! Paris and this Museum.
Brilliant video. Many thanks!
Imagine what Lavoisier would have accomplished with another 20 years!
This is a great channel , keep going , people will catch on eventually !
Great video, I am French and I appreciate
An exceptional video.
My son (10y/o) often accompanies me when I drive around doing what I do. We talk and joke and listen to audio books; WHAT IF and A SHORT HISTORY OF NEARLY EVERYTHING are his favorites...mine too.
Sometimes I'll let him watch certain RUclips channels and yours is now top of that list.
Comments like this make it all totally worth it. Thank you!
I am happy I found your channel...it is great!
I am so glad I found your channel!
LOL "parting of ways with his head" that was pretty funny.
Enjoying your channel.
Awesome work!
This is a very interesting video series.
Greetings from the Alec Steele channel! Alec suggested i come and watch your channel.
My second video, I love them. Great job.
Just stumble upon your channel. And for me the content that you are producing is incredibly interesting and also very well done. Looking fwd to see more
just found your channel and I'm on a binge...
Great video, really enjoyed. Thanks
Nicely done
If I do not set a timer to go to work again in my metalworkshop.....I would watch all Day long!!!!!! Great video's!!!!!!!!!! Can't wat to go to Paris.....
Musée des Arts et Métiers actually is Museum of Arts and Trades ....great video BTW Thx!
I subscribed after viewing"Origins of Precision and first project introduction"; this video is the quality that the first video promised. Thank you for producing the videos, you are of that group that insures the WWW does fulfills it's promise. Ans an US citizen my take is that the business and government elite in the USA purposely foster disdain to the point of outright hatred for the French within American consumers and labor Our government of the merchants, by the merchants fear nothing more that the people who make every economy thrive, figuring out it's they not the merchants who make the capital. That probably frightens the afore mentioned US lite thna the guillotine would
5:20
Wasn't the antikythera device an earlier mechanical calculator?
I recall Ian Stewart discussing it in a book on Chaos theory. As far as I know, it was a mechanical calculator for differentials, used in ancient Greek navigation.
I've always been taught that Joseph Priestley discovered oxygen, and noted its role in combustion. While Priestley certainly misunderstood his own discoveries, I don't think Lavoisier can be correctly called the discoverer of oxygen, or even its role in combustion. While he was the first to identify oxygen as an element, he wasn't the first to identify its existence; and though he detailed part of the chemical pathway of combustion reactions, his analysis was neither complete, nor the first to claim oxygen was important to it.
I think it's easy sometimes to credit a few men in history with more than they were personally responsible for (Columbus, Edison, etc.), and while I appreciate the credit you give to Marie-Anne, I really feel you fell into that trap.
Nicely done! Looking forward to more. Thanks👍
how could i possibly miss that place in paris? damn!
Very interesting thank you for showing us this amazing video well done 👍
This ksp orbit music. I finally realized what it’s from.
awesome channel keep them coming
What a great channel.
13:04 I don't think the horse was expecting to get a picture taken in that moment.
LOL! It may have been irritated by the flash photography ...or the fierce enemy troops ahead !
Sir. This is great stuff please please please get your work out there!
Other than odd pronunciation of French, très bon travail 👍🏾
This is an excellent video. Never mind the BBC. I will have to go there some day. I never knew it existed.