Hi..I transitioned to playing drums from playing bass not more than a year ago and I'm really grateful that this channel dives deep into important information that sometimes might be otherwise ignored. I use the exact kit but with a 18inch kick drum
I think a lot church’s make the mistake of buying equipment without consulting their musicians. Musicians that have been playing for a while have a certain sound that they like and church’s have a nac for buying cheap drums and cymbals or going with what the sales person recommends. Each drum company has their signature sound and each drummer likes what they like.
My previous church uses the drummer's kit as their main kit. It's a nice kit, and the drummer can't play it in his flat because of space and neighbours.
I totally agree. I'm lucky my church consults me whenever they buy any drum gear because I play almost every week. I still like to bring some of my own gear though =)
BRO EXACTLY! I tune my drums to my liking and everytime the guitarist or someone else grabs my tuning key and tunes the drums differently or tried to tell me how to play🤦🏽♂️
I play in a worship band in a small church (the sanctuary is small floor area with high ceilings). The drums are not mic'd at all. The drum kit I use (it's mine left set up more or less permanently in the church) is a Ddrum 'SE Flyer' small bop sized kit (14 x 18" kick, 8 x 12" rack tom, 14 x 14" floor tom, 5 x 14" wood shell snare). I replaced the OEM snare batter head with an Evans '56 Calftone batter head to give it a warmer tone. Cymbals are 14" Zildjian A New Beat highhats, 14" Zildjian A thin crash, 18" Zildjian A medium ride, 16" Zildjian A thin crash, and a 10" Sabian B8 Pro China Splash for effects. The kick drum batter head has a built-in foam muffle ring (forgot the exact brand). Snare drum and rack tom batter heads have no muffling; the floor tom has a small piece of folded duct tape on the batter head. This combination works out perfectly for the church I play in if lower volume is called for I use regular wire brushes, 'Ed Thigpen' signature plastic brushes, or plastic 'Blastick' bundle rods depending on the tune. We only have a trio: percussion, piano, vocals, and an acoustic guitar so volume control is important. My cymbal selection runs counter to those suggested in the video but I've found with judicious application of volume control they work quite well in our church setting. My favorite sticks in the church setting are Regal wood-tip 7A jazz sticks but I use Vic Virth Dave Weckl signature sticks nylon tip for more contemporary 'worship rock' tunes. Also use wound cloth yarn headed cymbal mallets for cymbal washes and soft tom passages. All this I arrived at after much experimentation with drum sizes, cymbals and stick selection works well in our church but each church is different so the gear has to be selected for the venue. Great informative video.
I can’t say enough good things about Noah. What a journey! He loves Jesus and loves using his craft to disciple people. He puts so much time in and is as real as it gets. Thank you! I can say the same about Jake ! Also, if you guys haven’t heard or checked him out yet, JR Ezeugwu is another drummer who is an awesome human who loves Jesus and stays slaying on the kit. Seriously , 🔥...
I love this kit. I’m a worship leading drummer who has sort of specialized in low volume drumming. The mahogany help so much with that. I have identical for my church and my self. And I’ve helped at least 8 other churches get one, too. I’ve also landed on Meinl Byzance Extra Dry cymbals. Very dark and responsive at love volume with a cool complex texture.
Shoutout to Noah! Great job man! As a drummer of over 15 years playing in churches from one thousand something people to churches with 20 people, the most important part of the church drum set and sound is CYMBALS! Usually when people complain about the drums being “too loud” they probably aren’t referring to “volume” (decibel level of sound output) but harshness/loudness, which largely comes from the cymbals. Obviously this is dependent on the room and acoustics but if you have a pleasant sounding set of cymbals generally people won’t complain haha. Invest in the cymbals best for your venue and sound and budget the rest of the kit around the cymbals.
I think that if you are on a tight budget spend great amount of it on cymbals. You can tweak the sound alot on shells with different heads, muffling and tuning, thats my personal experience.
Whoa, what a collab! Two of my favourite worship channels! Thank you Jake, Noah and the entire Churchfront team for making this amazing guide, it's so well structured and everything is explained in detail, but in a simple enough language for wide audience to understand!
This was a much needed video for new worship team drummers and EXPERIENCED worship team leaders. I plan to sit down with my team leader, watch this with him and advise some changes. Thank you so much for being thorough and covering all the bases!
What an amazing video! Thanks so much for sharing. I really love the way Noah explained and detailed literally every part of drums. I'm really really satisfied!
You need to learn how to tune by ear, its an invaluable skill if you plan to play drums for any length of time. Just like tuning any other instrument, you NEED to train your ears. Technology is great, but you need the full range of the skill of tuning, learn to tune properly
Here’s my guide... Drum kit: Get a Yamaha Stage Custom and just be done with it. I have a 20” kick and it’s perfect. You can also add an extra 14” or 16” floor tom later if you want. The DW Design Series brass snare is awesome too. Cymbals: Dream Vintage Bliss are probably the best worship cymbals I’ve found. They don’t make hi hats in that series but just look around for a good 15” or 16” pair. But go AS THIN AS POSSIBLE. Drum heads: I like Remo Pinstripes for their versatility (and they’re a little more forgiving when it comes to tuning). The Remo Powersonic Clear is the best kick drum head ever made honestly. Hardware: Look for used stuff on Craigslist or Facebook marketplace. As long as its in good shape, just go for it. Microphones: Samson drum mic kits are great. They’re about as budget friendly as possible and will give you acceptable live and recorded sound (maybe get a slightly better snare mic). Dampening: Gaff tape and some folded paper towels are your best friends, but just make sure the drum is tuned well before you start adding stuff.
I have the same setup: Birch Stage Custom Mark 1 and 20" and 22" dream vintage bliss crash/rides; I use 17" istanbul xist dry dark hi hats. It's the perfect combo and was put together for about $800. I've owned Sonor 3005, Mapex Saturn, and Pearl Masters and while they were great, the first gen SC birch can do it all and I got mine for $275. You just can't beat Yamaha quality and sound. I use vintage coated emperor over coated ambassador. I also have a set of 98 stage customs that sound amazing in their own right. I use frosted ec2s over coated ambassador and they have a perfect vintage sound. Got them for $100. Gretsch is great but that Catalina line feels like it's made of balsa wood. They do sound good but I'm not sure they are as bulletproof as the Yamahas. I'm sure the Renowns and up are excellent. Oh, both sets I put 2.3 mm hoops on the toms. THAT IS KEY!!!!! In my opinion, with the higher lines you are just paying for a nicer looking finish, most of which will look outdated in a decade or so. Just sink your money in cymbals, the higher lines truly make a difference.
Oh last thing take any snare put a name brand snare side head on it, 30 strand puresound snare wires, and a hydraulic head on it and steve's donut big fat snare drum or just a studio ring and you have the fat snare sound. Tune bot to 130hz or 200 for a higher fat crack. No $600 snare needed although they sure are nice.
I think the sizes of the drum set at which he’s sitting, are perfect. You can’t go wrong with a 12, 14 & 20 setup. I prefer a 13” snare, but that’s not critical.
@@dragonheart2403 They are actually some of the thinnest in the K line And they work great in our church. They are a really nice mix of not super bright but not so trashy either. I think people see mega churches using 24” crashes and think that’s that what every church setting should have but that doesn’t always work if you’re not in a huge venue
I started on a tama superstar that was a 10 piece you don’t need to go with a specific kit for worship you need to play to the church and the congregation
Back in my day of worship drumming we used to build much bigger kits because we didn’t play any tom driven songs like now. Which there’s a lot of. We had a lot more cymbals and more than two toms. Now in every church I see the same size 4 or 5 piece one up and one or two down three or four cymbal set up.
I have one too and love it when it’s a tuned properly and allowed to sing. But one doesn’t need a Black Beauty for “that Bethel sound”. Any heavy-duty cardboard box with a few steel BBs or some loose nuts and bolts laying loosely inside and wrapped with duct tape will give you the same sound for a whole lot less money.
Re phasing: the wavelength of a 1kHz tone is about 12 inches. Therefore to cause complete cancellation, one microphone would need to be 6 inches further from the source than the other. The distance is greater for lower tones and less for higher ones. The problem is worst with double micing a snare, because, as the top skin moves down (away from the microphone) the bottom skin will also be moving down, but towards the microphone
Much better video this time around! One thing I would have liked more - he plays in mostly large settings, which is great. But most churches are small to mid-sized (look at Barna research for more info). I'd much prefer to see a video showing something like "here's how to do it in a church with 1-200 on an average Sunday." With the equipment you already have. No one's micing the bottom of the snare in those settings! Just sayin!
David, great point bro!! This setup still works great in those environments (I talked about it when I mentioned the room size as being a big factor), you just may have to adjust the drum/cymbal sizes a bit for smaller rooms. But the values behind the tones still remain the same! ⚡️❤️
My mom's maiden name is DeBolt and is from the San Joaquin Valley. DeBolt is not a super common last name; so, perhaps Noah and I are related. Nice video :)
be interesting to see how the kit sounds when not miced up as there are many churches that dont have the budget (or a room size big enough to even consider micing)
Do you gents have a good recommendation for worship tuning? Like, a couple of examples of going from poor tuning to good including preferences for batter head/resonant head tightness? Tone? Moongel vs tape? Examples with popular remo or evans heads? I feel like there are such a plethora of "what to buy" and "how to mic" videos, but not enough "drum tuning for dummies and worship leaders," that especially focuses on tone and frequency. I get it that tone is more within the opinion category, but a good guide would nonetheless be valuable! :)
Go to Rob Brown's website. He has a simple, accurate, quick, easy way to tune. Having said that, you tune for the style of music and the acoustics of the room. There's no one-size-fits-all.
How to build a church kit: look at trends and follow them. Make sure the shells are an obscure brand and the snare is a different brand if they are the same brand Jesus will hate you. No more than 2 toms (so you can see the drummer) and the driest cymbals you can find. Then go over them a couple times with 60 grit sandpaper and apply corosive chemicals with a rag to make them even dryer!
Do not place the D6 in the kick like seen on the video so the capsule is on the same plane as resonant head. It will die really soon. Move it few inches inside or outside or tilt it a bit.
I can totally see the need to give basic advice for certain genres, but I think going too specific is sort of pointless; I'm sure for every opinion you can find a reasonable counter-opinion. I for example play Paiste 13" Dark Crisp hats, and feel they sit pretty well in a worship setting :)
Will you share the tunbot settings you use for each drum? I saw 144 on the floor tom batter head. I'd love to know the numbers for all the heads (top and bottom) on each drum. Thanks!!!
Great! Some sweet info here. Following Noah for a while now. Great drummer. One thing I wanne note: I believe that the oh mics are panned wrong? I hear the ride going on my right while it’s left on my screen. Or is everything panned from the drummers perspective? Thanks again for this amazing video! Love to see more content with Noah! Cheers
You don’t have to go that big with the cymbals if you are looking to purchase a kit. 20, 18, 14 is totally fine don’t ever feel pressured by these popular norms to get these massive ultra expensive cymbals when they are already expensive by nature.
Totally bro ❤️ I am less into them for the trendiness, and more into them because they work really well in our mixes. The smaller crashes and hi-hats just tend to poke through more than we want, but they can still work beautiuflly.
@@DeBoltDrumming I just wanna reach out to the audience who are in a budget. You pointed out a lot of great info and I see a lot of similarities with my approach to drums.
I would like to add tbat the cost of heartbeat cymbals is SIGNIFICANTLY better then the big brand names. I’ve been drumming in church for over 10 years and have been playing for over 30 and I can tell you the one place you don’t want to cheap out is cymbals. I know it may be tempting to buy the 5 pack of Sabian XXR for 200 bucks va spending 300-350 on a quality ride such as the epics he is playing on but it will not translate as well. I would even say if you have to choose between saving money save it on cheaper drums and buy better cymbals. I can make a 500 dollar export kit sound massive and tonal with good head selection and tuning but the cymbal sound is what it is out of the box. Very little you can do to change that If you have to save longer go with less cymbal quantity.
Great video and gear breakdown! But referring to "Grandma Bertha at 65" hearing issues.....c'mon, that's age discrimination....I'm 67 and a worship team member.
I play drums at my church and we play the typical rock worship songs. But I buck this trend of having everything pitched low on the kit. Jeff Porcaro (drumming legend) said that when a snare is tuned low the groove lacks the bounce you get when there’s a stronger pitch contrast. Add the cymbals to that and it creates flat grooves that lack energy and drive. That sound is very uninspiring and overdoing the low end is only found in worship drumming. Listen to any of the great drummers today outside of worship music and they all have pitch contrast throughout their kits regardless of the style they’re playing. I think the worst thing you can do is have the entire kit pitched low. A groove is created by having contrast within the pattern. That contrast can come from pitch, dynamics, or timbre. When you have the whole kit pitched low you really only have small timbre changes and dynamics. Great drummers have strong dynamics and can make this work but weaker drummers will sound very flat and stale without the additional pitch contrast. Just my 2 cents.
Instead of labeling this a “Worship Drum kit”...why not call it a “The Christian Rock” Kit basics?? There are endless options to put together...algorithms, room size, heads, stick tips...I could go on and on...this personal preference IMHO. If they like it I love it.
@@parsabbaluca21 I agree 100%! It comes down to the maturity of the drummer, song selection and personal preference. I play a 6 piece...and we do a VAST array of songs at my church from Hillsong to Kirk Franklin. This video is what is the “fad” these days...skinny jeans, a flip da do hair style, saying Like 413 times in a sentence...LOL
@@parsabbaluca21 what does that exactly mean? Most of these “worship” bands are normal cover bands, following the flow of the chart through an Ableton built click, stem and backing tracking. So if they prefer a kit, that isn’t tuned, with super super dry cymbals...to exact carbon copy their favorite worship team...if they like it, I love it!
Can I just say, being a drummer, guys you can get a bigger setup. Our church plays alot of gospel, worship, southern gospel, etc... So I have a decently sized kit to cover a large variety of Christian music genres. I even have a full Latin setup on my left side. If you moving the set alot, then go minimal, but if not, expand. 😁👍
I hear you! For what I typically encounter on a sunday morning, i'm not needing much bells and whistles. But they certainly come in handy if that is your context! ⚡️❤️
Great video! I’m currently using a 20” Sabian HHX ride which is fairly washy but I’m in a constant battle with sound techs around the volume.. so I’m not sure a 22” or 24” would help? It’s a reasonable sized room with a 1000 person capacity but a bit of a nightmare to mix in. Any tips? Our team have ruled out a drum shield. The songs we play demand intensity and playing lighter is challenging! Thanks 😀
Bigger or lighter cymbal = lower fundamental pitch (all other variables being equal). Washy can be fine if the pitch isn't so piercing and competing with amplified instruments. But a tiny bit of gaffer's tape on the edge of the underside can work wonders. Also, I know how hard it is to play "intense" or fast passages at low volumes - but it can be done and is a skill that takes practice :) But good on your team for ruling out the horrible plexiglass cage :D
Use a lighter ride; HHX is meant for dark projection so they make them medium/heavy at least in their rides. You want dark, but not dark with projection. Get a dream bliss crash ride or vintage bliss crash ride.
I had wanted to know that also from other worship drummers. But after a lot of research, I found that tuning toms off of perfect 4th chart until I hear the tone that is optimal for my drums and my recording is the best route. As far as the snare goes, 400hz bottom and 220 top is an insider “secret” sweet spot.
@@spencerlawrence8318 Wow, thanks! Now, that you have already been so helpfull I feel encouraged to ask you another question... How about the bass drum, especially when there is dampning on the head, what do you do there?
I disagree with what you said about a 14x8 snare being a one trick pony. I'm playing a DW performance series steel 14x8 and I haven't found a bad way to tune it.
Imagine a pie chart, an 8 lug snare has 8 sections on the chart, 10 lugs is 10 sections. Basically the more lugs you have, the more really small tweaks you can make and more details you can get out of it, i prefer 10 because im really really picky with tuning
And the kick drum was blasting me in the face when he added his EQ and compression. I normally welcome that sort of experience, but it felt kind of excessive in this situation. But hey, just a small detail. I thought the video was great! I've been struggling with how to get the best sounding drums in our broadcast mix and this was super helpful.
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Proud to say that noah debolt is one of my favorate worship drummer. Gifted and so humble😊 Godbless you all.
Reymon!! So sweet seeing you over here bro. ❤️
@@DeBoltDrumming Yes bro,im also a follower of this channel😁i love their content too❤️.Happy to see you too. you're famous worship drummer bro⚡👍
Using your IEM cable to check equidistance from snare to overheads might be the best tip of this video
Super simple, and not many drummers doing it either! ⚡️
#Facts
I’ve started using that for my overheads and it’s much better than using a xlr cable!
Hi..I transitioned to playing drums from playing bass not more than a year ago and I'm really grateful that this channel dives deep into important information that sometimes might be otherwise ignored.
I use the exact kit but with a 18inch kick drum
I think a lot church’s make the mistake of buying equipment without consulting their musicians. Musicians that have been playing for a while have a certain sound that they like and church’s have a nac for buying cheap drums and cymbals or going with what the sales person recommends. Each drum company has their signature sound and each drummer likes what they like.
My previous church uses the drummer's kit as their main kit. It's a nice kit, and the drummer can't play it in his flat because of space and neighbours.
Wise words
I totally agree. I'm lucky my church consults me whenever they buy any drum gear because I play almost every week. I still like to bring some of my own gear though =)
BRO EXACTLY! I tune my drums to my liking and everytime the guitarist or someone else grabs my tuning key and tunes the drums differently or tried to tell me how to play🤦🏽♂️
This was the most thorough explanation of a great starting point setup for worship music. I'm gonna share this with so many people.
So proud to know Noah! He’s so gifted and humble.
Dude. Thanks Jacob ⚡️❤️
I play in a worship band in a small church (the sanctuary is small floor area with high ceilings). The drums are not mic'd at all. The drum kit I use (it's mine left set up more or less permanently in the church) is a Ddrum 'SE Flyer' small bop sized kit (14 x 18" kick, 8 x 12" rack tom, 14 x 14" floor tom, 5 x 14" wood shell snare). I replaced the OEM snare batter head with an Evans '56 Calftone batter head to give it a warmer tone. Cymbals are 14" Zildjian A New Beat highhats, 14" Zildjian A thin crash, 18" Zildjian A medium ride, 16" Zildjian A thin crash, and a 10" Sabian B8 Pro China Splash for effects. The kick drum batter head has a built-in foam muffle ring (forgot the exact brand). Snare drum and rack tom batter heads have no muffling; the floor tom has a small piece of folded duct tape on the batter head. This combination works out perfectly for the church I play in if lower volume is called for I use regular wire brushes, 'Ed Thigpen' signature plastic brushes, or plastic 'Blastick' bundle rods depending on the tune. We only have a trio: percussion, piano, vocals, and an acoustic guitar so volume control is important. My cymbal selection runs counter to those suggested in the video but I've found with judicious application of volume control they work quite well in our church setting. My favorite sticks in the church setting are Regal wood-tip 7A jazz sticks but I use Vic Virth Dave Weckl signature sticks nylon tip for more contemporary 'worship rock' tunes. Also use wound cloth yarn headed cymbal mallets for cymbal washes and soft tom passages. All this I arrived at after much experimentation with drum sizes, cymbals and stick selection works well in our church but each church is different so the gear has to be selected for the venue. Great informative video.
I can’t say enough good things about Noah. What a journey! He loves Jesus and loves using his craft to disciple people. He puts so much time in and is as real as it gets. Thank you! I can say the same about Jake !
Also, if you guys haven’t heard or checked him out yet, JR Ezeugwu is another drummer who is an awesome human who loves Jesus and stays slaying on the kit. Seriously , 🔥...
I love this kit. I’m a worship leading drummer who has sort of specialized in low volume drumming. The mahogany help so much with that. I have identical for my church and my self. And I’ve helped at least 8 other churches get one, too. I’ve also landed on Meinl Byzance Extra Dry cymbals. Very dark and responsive at love volume with a cool complex texture.
Shoutout to Noah! Great job man!
As a drummer of over 15 years playing in churches from one thousand something people to churches with 20 people, the most important part of the church drum set and sound is CYMBALS! Usually when people complain about the drums being “too loud” they probably aren’t referring to “volume” (decibel level of sound output) but harshness/loudness, which largely comes from the cymbals. Obviously this is dependent on the room and acoustics but if you have a pleasant sounding set of cymbals generally people won’t complain haha. Invest in the cymbals best for your venue and sound and budget the rest of the kit around the cymbals.
I think that if you are on a tight budget spend great amount of it on cymbals. You can tweak the sound alot on shells with different heads, muffling and tuning, thats my personal experience.
Yep
I'm really proud of Noah! He is really excellent in what he does. THE BEST DRUMMER IN THE WHOLE WORLD!
Thanks Gustavo ⚡️❤️
Whoa, what a collab! Two of my favourite worship channels! Thank you Jake, Noah and the entire Churchfront team for making this amazing guide, it's so well structured and everything is explained in detail, but in a simple enough language for wide audience to understand!
Petar!! So glad you enjoyed bro ⚡️❤️
This was a much needed video for new worship team drummers and EXPERIENCED worship team leaders. I plan to sit down with my team leader, watch this with him and advise some changes. Thank you so much for being thorough and covering all the bases!
Noah plays with so much passion! Great all round video!
What an amazing video! Thanks so much for sharing. I really love the way Noah explained and detailed literally every part of drums. I'm really really satisfied!
Thanks to you guys I picked up a tune-bot. Wish me luck with tuning!
Good luck!! ⚡️❤️
You need to learn how to tune by ear, its an invaluable skill if you plan to play drums for any length of time. Just like tuning any other instrument, you NEED to train your ears. Technology is great, but you need the full range of the skill of tuning, learn to tune properly
Thanks to DeBolt , who recommended this!
enjoy!!
Here’s my guide...
Drum kit: Get a Yamaha Stage Custom and just be done with it. I have a 20” kick and it’s perfect. You can also add an extra 14” or 16” floor tom later if you want. The DW Design Series brass snare is awesome too.
Cymbals: Dream Vintage Bliss are probably the best worship cymbals I’ve found. They don’t make hi hats in that series but just look around for a good 15” or 16” pair. But go AS THIN AS POSSIBLE.
Drum heads: I like Remo Pinstripes for their versatility (and they’re a little more forgiving when it comes to tuning). The Remo Powersonic Clear is the best kick drum head ever made honestly.
Hardware: Look for used stuff on Craigslist or Facebook marketplace. As long as its in good shape, just go for it.
Microphones: Samson drum mic kits are great. They’re about as budget friendly as possible and will give you acceptable live and recorded sound (maybe get a slightly better snare mic).
Dampening: Gaff tape and some folded paper towels are your best friends, but just make sure the drum is tuned well before you start adding stuff.
WHO ASKED YOU?!?!
Kidding! We used a Stage Custom for a while and it was cool. 👊🏼
I have the same setup: Birch Stage Custom Mark 1 and 20" and 22" dream vintage bliss crash/rides; I use 17" istanbul xist dry dark hi hats. It's the perfect combo and was put together for about $800. I've owned Sonor 3005, Mapex Saturn, and Pearl Masters and while they were great, the first gen SC birch can do it all and I got mine for $275. You just can't beat Yamaha quality and sound. I use vintage coated emperor over coated ambassador.
I also have a set of 98 stage customs that sound amazing in their own right. I use frosted ec2s over coated ambassador and they have a perfect vintage sound. Got them for $100.
Gretsch is great but that Catalina line feels like it's made of balsa wood. They do sound good but I'm not sure they are as bulletproof as the Yamahas. I'm sure the Renowns and up are excellent.
Oh, both sets I put 2.3 mm hoops on the toms. THAT IS KEY!!!!!
In my opinion, with the higher lines you are just paying for a nicer looking finish, most of which will look outdated in a decade or so. Just sink your money in cymbals, the higher lines truly make a difference.
Oh last thing take any snare put a name brand snare side head on it, 30 strand puresound snare wires, and a hydraulic head on it and steve's donut big fat snare drum or just a studio ring and you have the fat snare sound. Tune bot to 130hz or 200 for a higher fat crack. No $600 snare needed although they sure are nice.
Ive been binging Church front for a few weeks now, and also ive just subscribed to noah from Debolt a month ago and to see this video!!
Seth, appreciate it bro ⚡️❤️
Perfect person for this topic
Churchfront X Noah! Best day ever!
Let's go Noah! You inspire me to become better each day :)
Edit: your hihats are bigger than my crash (17in > 16in)
bro that is crazy 😂
Great video! Noah is such a legend
I think the sizes of the drum set at which he’s sitting, are perfect. You can’t go wrong with a 12, 14 & 20 setup. I prefer a 13” snare, but that’s not critical.
Nice tutorial. The church I go to uses more ping when it comes to the ride cymbal, but worship styles vary.
I don’t know if anyone here has tried Zildjian K Sweets but boy do they sound killer
They are too bright and thick for a church setting
@@dragonheart2403 They are actually some of the thinnest in the K line
And they work great in our church. They are a really nice mix of not super bright but not so trashy either. I think people see mega churches using 24” crashes and think that’s that what every church setting should have but that doesn’t always work if you’re not in a huge venue
I started on a tama superstar that was a 10 piece you don’t need to go with a specific kit for worship you need to play to the church and the congregation
Back in my day of worship drumming we used to build much bigger kits because we didn’t play any tom driven songs like now. Which there’s a lot of. We had a lot more cymbals and more than two toms. Now in every church I see the same size 4 or 5 piece one up and one or two down three or four cymbal set up.
Finally a real drummer on here
real simple: negotiate a budget with your drummer(s) and let them piece together a kit. then ask them to maintain it.
When making the comp showing off Noah’s videos, you should have put the ‘This is Amazing Grace but it’s an 8th note before’ video just for laughs lol.
😂 😂
I have a 6.5x14 Black Beauty, it truly is the Holly Grail snare drum.
I have one too and love it when it’s a tuned properly and allowed to sing. But one doesn’t need a Black Beauty for “that Bethel sound”. Any heavy-duty cardboard box with a few steel BBs or some loose nuts and bolts laying loosely inside and wrapped with duct tape will give you the same sound for a whole lot less money.
@@TheDrumphile HAHA!!! Agreed, tuned that low, any snare (or box) will do.
Yo! Great tips! I should show my church this
Thank you! Some Really Great Information! 👍🏾
Re phasing: the wavelength of a 1kHz tone is about 12 inches. Therefore to cause complete cancellation, one microphone would need to be 6 inches further from the source than the other. The distance is greater for lower tones and less for higher ones. The problem is worst with double micing a snare, because, as the top skin moves down (away from the microphone) the bottom skin will also be moving down, but towards the microphone
Hey. What are the circle lights that you have in the background? got an amazon link? I know this question was way off topic. My bad.
1.21 gigawatts of insight...great job
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Use all of this as a general rule with drumming in general, most of it really, it all comes down to preference. In the end.
I'm all on his 4/4 on Reckless Love. 😂🤭✌️
Much love for Noah!
I totally agree my church has birch drums and they kind of drive me nuts sometimes. I mean it sounds ok, but so much attack and quick decay.
Really Informative 👍
Thanks a lot ❤️
All you need are Gretsch drums and Zildjian K dark cymbals... you're all welcome!🙏🏼☀️
Wasnt looking fr this but realised i probably need this
Much better video this time around! One thing I would have liked more - he plays in mostly large settings, which is great. But most churches are small to mid-sized (look at Barna research for more info). I'd much prefer to see a video showing something like "here's how to do it in a church with 1-200 on an average Sunday." With the equipment you already have. No one's micing the bottom of the snare in those settings! Just sayin!
David, great point bro!! This setup still works great in those environments (I talked about it when I mentioned the room size as being a big factor), you just may have to adjust the drum/cymbal sizes a bit for smaller rooms. But the values behind the tones still remain the same! ⚡️❤️
Great video! Thanks guys!
😍😍 Noah the goat
My brother deBolt💪😎
Beautiful kit and interviewer has stamped steel folding chair lol
Great Video. By chance you have the line up of cymbals he's using? I know it's heartbeat overall, but in specifics..Thanks
My mom's maiden name is DeBolt and is from the San Joaquin Valley. DeBolt is not a super common last name; so, perhaps Noah and I are related. Nice video :)
Yes!, I been waiting this for so long
Awesome brother!! THANKS 😊 🙏
One of the best videos ever made!!!
be interesting to see how the kit sounds when not miced up as there are many churches that dont have the budget (or a room size big enough to even consider micing)
Do you gents have a good recommendation for worship tuning?
Like, a couple of examples of going from poor tuning to good including preferences for batter head/resonant head tightness? Tone? Moongel vs tape? Examples with popular remo or evans heads?
I feel like there are such a plethora of "what to buy" and "how to mic" videos, but not enough "drum tuning for dummies and worship leaders," that especially focuses on tone and frequency. I get it that tone is more within the opinion category, but a good guide would nonetheless be valuable! :)
Go to Rob Brown's website. He has a simple, accurate, quick, easy way to tune. Having said that, you tune for the style of music and the acoustics of the room. There's no one-size-fits-all.
Melhor baterista de worship
How to build a church kit: look at trends and follow them. Make sure the shells are an obscure brand and the snare is a different brand if they are the same brand Jesus will hate you. No more than 2 toms (so you can see the drummer) and the driest cymbals you can find. Then go over them a couple times with 60 grit sandpaper and apply corosive chemicals with a rag to make them even dryer!
LOL. Couldn’t have said it better myself!
What’s your solution sarcasm aside
LOL Gretsch an obscure brand? Were you born yesterday??? The company has been making drums in America for 140 years 😂
Yeah Noah!!!!🙌🏽
I heard this on a speaker🔊 🥳🤯🤯🔥🔥
Broooo you killed thissss ❤️⚡️
My biggest take away is that homie didnt pickup some fresh moongels for the shoot 😭😭😭
Nice vid tho fellas!
Ludwig Acrolite is my favorite snare.
how bout the Oak kits, my church bought a Yamaha Oak Custom a few years back
I love Yamaha drums! I still have my Beech customs they made years ago!
Do not place the D6 in the kick like seen on the video so the capsule is on the same plane as resonant head.
It will die really soon.
Move it few inches inside or outside or tilt it a bit.
Great video...thank you .
I can totally see the need to give basic advice for certain genres, but I think going too specific is sort of pointless; I'm sure for every opinion you can find a reasonable counter-opinion. I for example play Paiste 13" Dark Crisp hats, and feel they sit pretty well in a worship setting :)
Yeah he was way too worried about specific brand. Meinl dream paiste zildjian all make “dark big” cymbals.
@@TheMrfuzzyface zildjian makes thin cymbals? 😂😂 their “thin” rides are like 3300 grams. Heartbeat, Dream, Istanbul all around 2600.
@@timbaggott8192 constantinople.
@@TheMrfuzzyface even the k con 24 light ride was like 3200 grams I owned one. Still thick
@@timbaggott8192 cool. I have two Renaissance rides that are both under 2700 grams
What note and frequencies do you guys tune the toms’ batter/reso for rock worship?
I have a 16x16 FT and a 12x10 rack Tom.
Can’t forget about the MCD and MDD pedals (though those are overkill)
Chipper! 🙌🏽 I see you my guy lol 🔥
Chipper!, 🙏🙏😊
Eeeyoumyguylol🎈
Will you share the tunbot settings you use for each drum? I saw 144 on the floor tom batter head. I'd love to know the numbers for all the heads (top and bottom) on each drum. Thanks!!!
Hey David! If you go to debolt drumming, he has video on what he uses in terms of tunebot settings (not sure if he took it down)
Can you please tell us what frequency’s did you tune that kit 🙏
Great! Some sweet info here. Following Noah for a while now. Great drummer.
One thing I wanne note: I believe that the oh mics are panned wrong? I hear the ride going on my right while it’s left on my screen. Or is everything panned from the drummers perspective?
Thanks again for this amazing video! Love to see more content with Noah!
Cheers
Bro much love!! ⚡️❤️
Yes, that is correct! I think Jake panned it based on camera/audience POV (being opposite of drummer POV) on purpose. ⚡️
ThankQ so much..this helps a lot
What were the specific models of the cymbals he used? Were they all from the Heartbeat Epic series? Classic series?
Brooooo, good stuff!
Brooooo,
Good stuff!
If you want to change the sound of your whole band: Cymbals
Entirely. ⚡️❤️
Ludwig Black Beauty!
You don’t have to go that big with the cymbals if you are looking to purchase a kit. 20, 18, 14 is totally fine don’t ever feel pressured by these popular norms to get these massive ultra expensive cymbals when they are already expensive by nature.
Totally bro ❤️ I am less into them for the trendiness, and more into them because they work really well in our mixes. The smaller crashes and hi-hats just tend to poke through more than we want, but they can still work beautiuflly.
@@DeBoltDrumming I just wanna reach out to the audience who are in a budget. You pointed out a lot of great info and I see a lot of similarities with my approach to drums.
@@abrahamnaula Totally!! I love that ⚡️
I would like to add tbat the cost of heartbeat cymbals is SIGNIFICANTLY better then the big brand names. I’ve been drumming in church for over 10 years and have been playing for over 30 and I can tell you the one place you don’t want to cheap out is cymbals. I know it may be tempting to buy the 5 pack of Sabian XXR for 200 bucks va spending 300-350 on a quality ride such as the epics he is playing on but it will not translate as well. I would even say if you have to choose between saving money save it on cheaper drums and buy better cymbals. I can make a 500 dollar export kit sound massive and tonal with good head selection and tuning but the cymbal sound is what it is out of the box. Very little you can do to change that If you have to save longer go with less cymbal quantity.
Can you properly do rudiments with the left stick turned?
Bring back 5+ piece drum kits! So tired of seeing the typical 4 piece kits, bring creativity and skill back to worship drumming!
I agree totally! I play a six piece drum set at my church, more options, more colorful playing!
Great video and gear breakdown! But referring to "Grandma Bertha at 65" hearing issues.....c'mon, that's age discrimination....I'm 67 and a worship team member.
I play drums at my church and we play the typical rock worship songs. But I buck this trend of having everything pitched low on the kit. Jeff Porcaro (drumming legend) said that when a snare is tuned low the groove lacks the bounce you get when there’s a stronger pitch contrast. Add the cymbals to that and it creates flat grooves that lack energy and drive. That sound is very uninspiring and overdoing the low end is only found in worship drumming. Listen to any of the great drummers today outside of worship music and they all have pitch contrast throughout their kits regardless of the style they’re playing. I think the worst thing you can do is have the entire kit pitched low. A groove is created by having contrast within the pattern. That contrast can come from pitch, dynamics, or timbre. When you have the whole kit pitched low you really only have small timbre changes and dynamics. Great drummers have strong dynamics and can make this work but weaker drummers will sound very flat and stale without the additional pitch contrast. Just my 2 cents.
Really feel Remo has monopoly when it comes to coating. Evans is used too but not to same extent.
Is that the auditorium for your church ???
Instead of labeling this a “Worship Drum kit”...why not call it a “The Christian Rock” Kit basics?? There are endless options to put together...algorithms, room size, heads, stick tips...I could go on and on...this personal preference IMHO. If they like it I love it.
Any kit can be use for church unless it's covered with demonic stickers....
@@parsabbaluca21 I agree 100%! It comes down to the maturity of the drummer, song selection and personal preference. I play a 6 piece...and we do a VAST array of songs at my church from Hillsong to Kirk Franklin. This video is what is the “fad” these days...skinny jeans, a flip da do hair style, saying Like 413 times in a sentence...LOL
@@jacobyjackson3530 and trying to sound like U2.....
@@parsabbaluca21 what does that exactly mean? Most of these “worship” bands are normal cover bands, following the flow of the chart through an Ableton built click, stem and backing tracking. So if they prefer a kit, that isn’t tuned, with super super dry cymbals...to exact carbon copy their favorite worship team...if they like it, I love it!
Can I just say, being a drummer, guys you can get a bigger setup. Our church plays alot of gospel, worship, southern gospel, etc... So I have a decently sized kit to cover a large variety of Christian music genres. I even have a full Latin setup on my left side. If you moving the set alot, then go minimal, but if not, expand. 😁👍
I hear you! For what I typically encounter on a sunday morning, i'm not needing much bells and whistles. But they certainly come in handy if that is your context! ⚡️❤️
Shoul'd i take remo or evans coated?
Great video! I’m currently using a 20” Sabian HHX ride which is fairly washy but I’m in a constant battle with sound techs around the volume.. so I’m not sure a 22” or 24” would help? It’s a reasonable sized room with a 1000 person capacity but a bit of a nightmare to mix in. Any tips? Our team have ruled out a drum shield. The songs we play demand intensity and playing lighter is challenging! Thanks 😀
Bigger or lighter cymbal = lower fundamental pitch (all other variables being equal). Washy can be fine if the pitch isn't so piercing and competing with amplified instruments. But a tiny bit of gaffer's tape on the edge of the underside can work wonders.
Also, I know how hard it is to play "intense" or fast passages at low volumes - but it can be done and is a skill that takes practice :) But good on your team for ruling out the horrible plexiglass cage :D
Use a lighter ride; HHX is meant for dark projection so they make them medium/heavy at least in their rides. You want dark, but not dark with projection. Get a dream bliss crash ride or vintage bliss crash ride.
Finally... the old one wasnt good!
I never saw it, but I'm glad this one went well ❤️😂
@@DeBoltDrumming you dont wanna see it, trust me.
@@matzemedia9594 😂
@@DeBoltDrumming is it possible to get the multitracks from the demo playing ? wanna mess arround with it :D
I have a tunebot too. Can you tell specifically what frequenzies each drum at?
I had wanted to know that also from other worship drummers. But after a lot of research, I found that tuning toms off of perfect 4th chart until I hear the tone that is optimal for my drums and my recording is the best route. As far as the snare goes, 400hz bottom and 220 top is an insider “secret” sweet spot.
@@spencerlawrence8318 Wow, thanks!
Now, that you have already been so helpfull I feel encouraged to ask you another question... How about the bass drum, especially when there is dampning on the head, what do you do there?
Have you tried using triggers
I play drums at church and this is so accurate lol
Glad you agree ⚡️❤️
What are the tunebot settings for this kit?
Hello, I have a question. Is Ziljian cymbals okay for worship ?
yeah we recommend the k custom from ziljan for worship
Unpopular opinion: 17in cymbals sandwiched together resemble closer to beating a wire fence at a playground than hi hats
I disagree with what you said about a 14x8 snare being a one trick pony. I'm playing a DW performance series steel 14x8 and I haven't found a bad way to tune it.
Is this black beauty an 8 lug or 10 lug? If so, what’s the reason behind choosing the 10 lug black beauty over the 8 lug one and vice versa.
Imagine a pie chart, an 8 lug snare has 8 sections on the chart, 10 lugs is 10 sections. Basically the more lugs you have, the more really small tweaks you can make and more details you can get out of it, i prefer 10 because im really really picky with tuning
What about bubinga? And does the kit in the video have what bass drum size?
Looks like drum sizes are 14 snare, 12in rack, 14in floor, 20in kick. Not sure about bubinga but I know it’s pricey
Am I the only one bothered by the overheads being panned backwards?
And the kick drum was blasting me in the face when he added his EQ and compression. I normally welcome that sort of experience, but it felt kind of excessive in this situation. But hey, just a small detail. I thought the video was great! I've been struggling with how to get the best sounding drums in our broadcast mix and this was super helpful.
It does take a second to let the ears adjust. 😂
I didn't notice it, but it annoys me now it's been pointed out.
bothers me alooooooooot