How to master Mozart's most FAMOUS joke (featuring Orli Shaham)

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  • A piano lesson on one of Mozart's most famous pieces -- the Turkish March.
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    Tonebase Artist Orli Shaham teaches a lesson on one of Mozart's most famous piano pieces -- the Turkish March, or Rondo alla turca, from The Sonata in A Major K. 331.
    For the full course and much more, check out Tonebase Premium!
    This video also features Tonebase content from Fei-Fei's Chopin Preludes Course, and Sara Davis Buechner's course on Mozart's C Major Piano Sonata K.545.
    0:00 Classical Piano's Biggest Joker
    2:37 Breaking Rules in Mozart's 3rd Movements
    3:42 Lean into the Simple Humor
    4:41 The Left Hand is a Folk Band
    5:38 Don't Give Away the Joke!
    7:40 Virtuosic Street Performance
    8:55 Playful Variations
    10:47 Glorious Grand Finale
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Комментарии • 165

  • @tonebasePiano
    @tonebasePiano  2 месяца назад +20

    Who's your favorite joker in piano history?

    • @johnburk6564
      @johnburk6564 2 месяца назад +18

      Victor Borge!

    • @ChristophersMusic
      @ChristophersMusic 2 месяца назад +1

      Andre Preview (Previn) when he appeared on the Morecombe and Wise Show (a 70's British comedy show)

    • @cioccolateriaveneziana
      @cioccolateriaveneziana 2 месяца назад +3

      Beethoven. 3rd movements of his concertos... Rage over the Lost Penny... He knew how to make fun with music.

    • @jtbasener8740
      @jtbasener8740 2 месяца назад +4

      The snickers of Papa Hadyn after my first jumping out of ny seat on the surprise chord will forever reverberate in my memory.

    • @Ludwingvanchopin
      @Ludwingvanchopin Месяц назад +2

      Hamelin,My feeling about Choccolate or Valse de irritation d'apre nokia

  • @JoshuaSlagowski
    @JoshuaSlagowski 2 месяца назад +25

    I just really love how you can "hear" the bass drum, cymbals, and triangle clanging on the first beat of every measure at the end.

    • @Renshen1957
      @Renshen1957 3 дня назад

      The Viennese Piano's of the 19th Century included these for Janissary Music, which existed longer in the USA after Europe had abandoned this separate pedal addition.

  • @NothingMaster
    @NothingMaster 14 дней назад +1

    To create a timeless masterpiece out of a simple playful theme requires an exceptional feat of imagination.

  • @SaimoodPianoVersions
    @SaimoodPianoVersions 2 месяца назад +35

    Glenn Gould joke killed me xD.

  • @dennischiapello7243
    @dennischiapello7243 2 месяца назад +14

    To call the heavy bass in the A major section "sub-woofing" is brilliant! 😆
    I couldn't help thinking, of course, of Fazil Say's notorious jazzy riff on this piece, and now I especially appreciate its connection to the spirit of Mozart.

    • @JiveDadson
      @JiveDadson Месяц назад +1

      It's called the "bass drop."

  • @drek7361
    @drek7361 2 месяца назад +16

    What a wonderful lesson! So much depth to uncover in a seemingly “simple” piece, and I appreciate how your instruction invites the student to explore their own way of interpreting this playfulness

  • @RModillo
    @RModillo Месяц назад +12

    A lovely 12 minutes! Great playing, analysis, and communication. (From a once-upon-a-time HM student.)

  • @tplayspiano
    @tplayspiano 2 месяца назад +5

    Very helpful and timely video - I am currently working on this piece - thank you.

  • @melmelsmusicstudio1800
    @melmelsmusicstudio1800 Месяц назад +2

    Oh I love this - thank you for the enthusiasm and permission to explore this fun piece we all know and love!

  • @-Cinderman
    @-Cinderman Месяц назад +1

    What a fabulous video! Many thanks!

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios 28 дней назад +1

    "Ein musikalischer Spaß" is really great if you understand a bit on composition. It is basically a parody of a symphony, breaking rules and systems on purpose, repeats phrases instead of adding new, like a bad composer would write them. With notes that sound like the performing musicians are unqualified and play wrong.
    He basically plays the musicians and music "industry" at the time for fools.

  • @dsugimoto313
    @dsugimoto313 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you for this. It was an educational treat to get some insight into how a master pianist interprets such a well known piece.

  • @tommymandel
    @tommymandel Месяц назад +1

    Fabulous teacher. Thank you!

  • @brianregan5053
    @brianregan5053 Месяц назад +3

    Great exposition of Maestro Mozart

  • @5610winston
    @5610winston Месяц назад +1

    Come to think of it, the Borodin _Scherzo in A-flat_ was quite witty, possibly the funniest piano piece ever composed by a chemist.
    The Borodin-Hunsdiecker reaction is also pretty amusing.

  • @lordneeko
    @lordneeko 26 дней назад

    Listening to Juliard piano master is just so pleasant to the ears

  • @RunEnabled
    @RunEnabled 2 месяца назад +1

    Finally a video about a piece I have a chance of playing

  • @DrHampie
    @DrHampie 2 месяца назад +13

    Please make another video about: 'Super-Virtuoso Breaks Down 9 Impossible Piano Pieces' !!!!!!!

  • @jamesburnett7085
    @jamesburnett7085 Месяц назад

    OMG! What a thrilling presentation. What exquisitely colorful, nuanced fun.

  • @mangomerkel2005
    @mangomerkel2005 2 месяца назад +11

    Grazie, signore.

  • @jamieredden554
    @jamieredden554 Месяц назад

    I learned so much about this piece that makes me want to dig it back out and play it

  • @sottx8268
    @sottx8268 Месяц назад

    I enjoyed the analysis. Thanks professor

  • @danielmkubacki
    @danielmkubacki Месяц назад

    So cool!

  • @orizoref
    @orizoref 2 месяца назад +7

    Tonebase video!

  • @benharmonics
    @benharmonics 2 месяца назад +1

    It’s interesting how some editions (like the one used in this video) notate the opening melody as simple sixteenth notes, but other versions use appoggiaturas followed by sixteenth notes instead.

  • @TITAN1UM87
    @TITAN1UM87 2 месяца назад +11

    P.D.Q bach definitely funniest

  • @mertnecati875
    @mertnecati875 2 месяца назад +16

    Watched that and it is interesting you did not mention about rhythmic structure of left hand being the exact copy of Ottoman jannisary music. So not only timbre wise with ornaments but also rhytmically Mozart aimed to create what he called as "Turkische Musik" in his own letters. Same goes for right hand melody in mid section. He just observed the qualities of the Turkish music very well (probably through music of Gluck he encountered in Paris and Haydn- both of these composers already composed in Turkish style) and tried to reflect that. So you also say form is kinda free at the beginning, is it really? All I see is a strictly planned rondo form. Anyway, Mozart composed many works in popular Turkish style of the time or used the style as a new element without referring to its Turkishness and that s just one of the most successful applications of it.

    • @xylfox
      @xylfox Месяц назад

      Gluck u. Haydn wrote "turkish music"? Interesting!

    • @mertnecati875
      @mertnecati875 Месяц назад +3

      @@xylfox I dont know if they called it like that but Mozart openly uses the phrase "Turkische Musik" in his letter to Leopold when he uses Ottoman percussion instruments. Gluck and Haydn also involved in topics about Turks and composed operas involving alla turca style.

  • @LittleEmmeHasDreams
    @LittleEmmeHasDreams 26 дней назад

    Little Emme adores Mozart. She would play Alla Turca very, very gently and warmly. Instead of pleasing others, Little Emme would only like to please herself because she doesn't really care about what her audience thinks.

  • @gillesdelaunoit365
    @gillesdelaunoit365 Месяц назад

    thanks for this masterclass in interpretating music. I play the turkish marsh as a second voice on a ska version of Tetris with my band (with a little twist), and it sound quite funny for the musical fans that can catch the joke. After seeing this video, I feel maybe Mozart would have appreciate the joke as well... 😁

  • @weissrw1
    @weissrw1 Месяц назад

    A famous writer from the 60s and 70s in the 80s was surprised at how his writings were then taught in colleges. He had no idea he was so smart and insightful. Oh, so that was what I was thinking!

  • @ilayohana3150
    @ilayohana3150 Месяц назад

    Thanks orli greetings from Home

  • @manouchk38
    @manouchk38 29 дней назад

    Very interesting!
    10:26 "and then when you get to here", things just get clearly more difficult!!

  • @rushinroulette4636
    @rushinroulette4636 Месяц назад

    Somehow I have a feeling if Mozart had heard the comments about "subwoofing", he would have composed a new piece with a Chihuaua on one side of the piano and a St. Bernard on the otherside as a 18th century style Subwoofer

  • @srh2301
    @srh2301 Месяц назад +1

    Very interesting inside views into this musical piece of art. But I didn't get where's the "joke" after all? In Beethoven's - Rage Over a Lost Penny or in Haydn's Symphony No. 94 "The surprise" the joke is way more obvious. IMHO.

  • @Libertariun
    @Libertariun Месяц назад

    Humour is the best test of intelligence

  • @spivvo
    @spivvo Месяц назад +3

    Victor Borge was pretty funny

  • @pghagen
    @pghagen 2 месяца назад

    Never heard the Turkish March better than Shura Cherkassky's interpretation. It' on one of his Decca or Nimbus recordings.

  • @lordneeko
    @lordneeko 26 дней назад

    Mozart. The original jazz composer

  • @fabioventura7852
    @fabioventura7852 2 месяца назад +5

    Loved it... but the overedited editions of the score, with the "corrected" slurs are quite offensive to the public and Mozart himself 😂

  • @seanonel
    @seanonel Месяц назад

    Now I'm looking forward to her breaking down Eddie Izzard's comedy routines next...

  • @Brusselpicker
    @Brusselpicker Месяц назад +2

    Glenn Gould was disparaging about Mozart, his recordings are about him not the music.

  • @sherylbegby
    @sherylbegby Месяц назад

    I had auto-subtitles on, and it came up with "this glorious opening in a manger". I ... I just think we should leave it there.

  • @MuSic-ok7dh
    @MuSic-ok7dh Месяц назад +2

    Mozart famous joke and no nosedive??
    So let me tell that one:
    Mozart challenged Haydn, saying he has a piece the other cannot play.
    So Haydn sits to the manuscript and plays, until he reaches a moment when there are notes in upper register, notes in lower register, and single note in middle of keyboard.
    "This piece is impossible to play with just two hands!" states Haydn.
    "Yet, I can do it" - Mozart claims.
    He sits at the piano and plays the passage. When he reaches the spot, left hand is playing lower register, right hand playing top register, he leans down into the keyboard and strikes the middle note with his nose.
    Haydn conceded his defeat that day.

  • @DenisPuscaOfficial
    @DenisPuscaOfficial 2 месяца назад +31

    Where is Ben...?😢

    • @tonebasePiano
      @tonebasePiano  2 месяца назад +22

      Don't worry, Ben has started his own channel and is making fabulous content there! You should definitely go show him some love and support him on his new venture!

    • @OctoPlaysPiano
      @OctoPlaysPiano 2 месяца назад +9

      Ben has his own channel now! Show some support for Robert too, out here killing it

    • @pimptoking
      @pimptoking 2 месяца назад +2

      @@frankdrebinn .... Have i missed something? Ben said some shit?

    • @richskytakethat2643
      @richskytakethat2643 2 месяца назад +9

      @@pimptoking No, just left to pursue other things

    • @Thestuffdoer
      @Thestuffdoer Месяц назад +3

      I ate him, sorry

  • @michaelrichter9427
    @michaelrichter9427 Месяц назад +2

    30 seconds of background. Two minutes of ads. Then I stopped watching.
    Maybe put the ads elsewhere. You know, maybe put them AFTER you've gripped the audience and made them willing to listen. Putting them up front failed.

  • @Traumglanz
    @Traumglanz Месяц назад +1

    I don't get the kinda square sides and being rude with dynamics or how to be sober when playing, but I certainly can say that Rondo Alla Turca is still super fun when played with Electric guitars, bass and a drummer who really gets that marsh going. It fun in a classical metal arrangement. And yes, you really go all in and and just enjoy playing the bass. ;-)

  • @evifnoskcaj
    @evifnoskcaj Месяц назад

    Imagine referencing Amadeus while pretending to be historically accurate. Good April Fool's joke!

  • @matthewrippingsby5384
    @matthewrippingsby5384 Месяц назад

    Excellent. Thanks for restoring dignity to a piece usually played as if by Beethoven rather than Mozart - crunching tune for rhythm and creating messy blobs of sound and a twee dullness unforgivably resonant of an annoyed, impatient musician hammering home his resentment (not that that describes most Beethoven!) . Good work!

  • @yankeecornbread8464
    @yankeecornbread8464 Месяц назад

    For me the punch line was when she said C major, but it sounded like teenager.

  • @xtian1
    @xtian1 Месяц назад +1

    A lovely demonstration of how open to interpretation this movement is. We've all heard countless renditions. But... why do you say it is funny? This is never explained from your/her point of view. Yes, the piece is playful. Yes, it can be interpreted at infinitum. Are these the things you are telling us is funny? Explain the joke, please.

  • @redthorpe
    @redthorpe Месяц назад +1

    I never think of a "folk band" when I think of music written for a harpsichord

  • @otakubancho6655
    @otakubancho6655 Месяц назад

    The Greaseman used it for his Tuna Fish song.

  • @arekkrolak6320
    @arekkrolak6320 Месяц назад

    Without further ado occurs at 2:26

  • @samueldrapeau9106
    @samueldrapeau9106 Месяц назад +2

    Where's the musical joke?
    Liked the video and everything but I didn't catch it.
    (Where's The Lick? :p)

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 Месяц назад

    MMIA
    My Mirth Is Audible

  • @msolec2000
    @msolec2000 Месяц назад

    I can play perfectly, but only if I'm playing Cash's 4'33"

  • @raylf3141
    @raylf3141 Месяц назад +1

    Literally just say Pianism. You're gonna get most dudes with that one and some of the women. I know. It's juvenile and absurd but deep down so are most people. That's just humanity. Cheers.

    • @raylf3141
      @raylf3141 29 дней назад

      @@grafplaten If two ex wives and more than 40 years couldn't get me to do so I'm afraid you stand no chance.

  • @FormlessDuck
    @FormlessDuck Месяц назад

    She's delightfully unpretentious for a julliard faculty.

  • @mimziemimz
    @mimziemimz 2 месяца назад +13

    No, those of us with brains don't look at it as "cultural appropriation".

  • @lintonsha
    @lintonsha 2 месяца назад

    Don't be. This is art. He knows. Instink gayable feeling

  • @bylokonnor
    @bylokonnor Месяц назад +1

    According to researchers, there is no evidence that Mozart had that laugh they gave him in Amadeus.

  • @namesname7315
    @namesname7315 Месяц назад

    issue is that is for harpsichord and harpsichord don not have that dynamics like fortepiano do. for this particular contrast fortepiano got its name.🙃

  • @francoisvillon1300
    @francoisvillon1300 2 месяца назад

    "Моцарт на Ямахе" - уже превосходная шутка!

  • @lindasegerious9248
    @lindasegerious9248 Месяц назад

    As trolling goes, nobody beats Haydn

  • @charlesdavenport6094
    @charlesdavenport6094 Месяц назад

    The late Victor Borge

  • @moriokayuri
    @moriokayuri 22 дня назад

    Robert :" some of the funniest people i know are pianists..." Well none of them are here, what a bunch of people with no sense of humor, you need to draw and grab their hands like a toddler so they can understand that it is a historical joke.

    • @moriokayuri
      @moriokayuri 22 дня назад

      Also, you can disagree without being disrepectful, you guys on the comments section need to do better.

    • @teresagardiner153
      @teresagardiner153 2 дня назад

      @@moriokayuri That's every RUclips comments section ever.
      Mozart himself was a pianist and he was very funny (read his letters!), but he seems more like the exception than the rule.

  • @garretkaplan
    @garretkaplan 2 месяца назад

    I miss Ben 😢 still like the new guy tho!

    • @tonebasePiano
      @tonebasePiano  2 месяца назад +3

      Ben is still out there making great content on his own channel! You can have the best of
      both worlds 😀 Thanks for watching!

    • @garretkaplan
      @garretkaplan 2 месяца назад

      @@tonebasePiano thank you for making great stuff! Would love some Scriabin or Messiaen videos in the future!

  • @BunniesRcooler
    @BunniesRcooler 2 месяца назад +1

    4 minutes ago wow

  • @JohnJackson-mn4ts
    @JohnJackson-mn4ts Месяц назад

    I want a 10 inch pianist! 😉

  • @cioccolateriaveneziana
    @cioccolateriaveneziana 2 месяца назад +1

    Who listens to Mozart and thinks "cultural appropriation"??

    • @markop.1994
      @markop.1994 Месяц назад

      You mean colonization? Cultural appropriation is adopting anothers customs for reasons of profit one way or another. Like Steven Segal when he made that awful reggae album where he pretended to have a Jamaican accent.
      This is different from cultural appreciation which should be encouraged.

    • @cioccolateriaveneziana
      @cioccolateriaveneziana Месяц назад +2

      @@markop.1994 I mean "cultural appropriation" that the pianist mentioned in the video. I think we should simply stop with this "appropriation" nonsense. Whoever introduced it in the public discourse did everyone a disservice.

    • @grafplaten
      @grafplaten 29 дней назад +2

      @@cioccolateriaveneziana I rolled my eyes when she uttered the phrase "cultural appropriation." Maybe orchestras should then eliminate all use of cymbals, triangles and bass drums, as these are "appropriations" from Turkish culture.

    • @cioccolateriaveneziana
      @cioccolateriaveneziana 29 дней назад +1

      @@grafplaten I always roll my eyes when I hear about "c. appr."

  • @mustuploadtoo7543
    @mustuploadtoo7543 2 месяца назад +3

    beethoven

  • @RModillo
    @RModillo 29 дней назад

    Another approach: ruclips.net/video/TGvNUVnl7GE/видео.html

  • @deezynar
    @deezynar Месяц назад +1

    Joke?
    I don't sense anything funny about it. It's a compelling piece, with vigor and joy.

  • @jsc5492
    @jsc5492 Месяц назад

    Amateurs are not the ignoramuses that she pretends.
    Amateurs LOVE the art they are following.
    As for professionals, they are paid to play the stuff they are generally supposed to love; lol.

  • @anthonymccarthy4164
    @anthonymccarthy4164 Месяц назад +1

    That stupid friggin' play that totally distorted Mozart's personality on the basis of the idiot author not getting it right.

  • @stevesabaugh5128
    @stevesabaugh5128 Месяц назад

    BE MORE FUNNY!!!

  • @MrDogonjon
    @MrDogonjon Месяц назад

    My hands are things just like in the Adams Family free minded actors that are severed hands who none the less do my bidding in spite of my lack of talent they showboat to try to make me look good.

  • @EtzEchad
    @EtzEchad Месяц назад

    I don't get the joke.

    • @JerryEboy69
      @JerryEboy69 Месяц назад +1

      It’s more light-hearted than a “joke.” As she said, it was “hip” at the time. Therefore, it’s completely possible to bring that quality back (which was intended!) to satisfy the composer, audience, and any reasonable judge. Again, more so light-hearted quality than a full on joke

  • @simonalbrecht9435
    @simonalbrecht9435 Месяц назад +2

    You don't know whether the forte making in some editions is by Mozart? Maybe look at a critical edition and research it before teaching a lecture?…

  • @shinywarm6906
    @shinywarm6906 2 месяца назад +1

    "Fun" =/= "a joke"

  • @PASHKULI
    @PASHKULI Месяц назад

    words salad

  • @redthorpe
    @redthorpe Месяц назад

    Just...
    No...
    Maybe he published it for money?
    Then play it as it's written!

  • @michaelmertens813
    @michaelmertens813 Месяц назад

    Very nice, but jokes that need explaination aren´t really jokes.

    • @walrusmaximus
      @walrusmaximus Месяц назад +1

      They might if they were written hundreds of years ago

  • @redthorpe
    @redthorpe Месяц назад

    This video is disrespectful and an insult
    Provide some proof of your claims, or let it rest.
    Don't go out of your way to try to spoil other people's enjoyment of genuinely good music!

  • @bobdoney2963
    @bobdoney2963 Месяц назад

    A joke explained is a joke lost.

  • @dirtyharry1881
    @dirtyharry1881 2 месяца назад +69

    Too much talk. Too obvious observations. Playful yes. Heard nothing funny, though.

    • @ScarRach
      @ScarRach Месяц назад +20

      If you want to listen to a recording, this is not the place.

    • @mmaximk
      @mmaximk Месяц назад +6

      I found a playful and enjoyable.

    • @spivvo
      @spivvo Месяц назад +5

      Gave up watching…. Too much waffle

    • @chriscubbernuss3288
      @chriscubbernuss3288 Месяц назад +1

      I guess you had to be there.

    • @matthewrippingsby5384
      @matthewrippingsby5384 Месяц назад +2

      Perhaps, but a new perspective for many of us.

  • @batboy5023
    @batboy5023 2 месяца назад +2

    this channel is dying to me

  • @dalegreer3095
    @dalegreer3095 Месяц назад

    omg so much cringe. But this piece has been used for comedy quite a bit over the years.

  • @stevieb6368
    @stevieb6368 Месяц назад +1

    Both Haydn and Beethoven could be very humorous in their music. When I'm playing through this Mozart Piano Sonata, I leave out the final movement because I hate it! It's rubbish!

  • @DietervonBraun1973
    @DietervonBraun1973 2 месяца назад +1

    I have never heard a performance that made this piece sound more interesting then a rather uninspired silly experiment. I can not think of an oriental inspired piece that sounds less oriental then this. Imagine if this piece was not written by Mozart, but by a forgotten 18th century composer. Would we care for this piece ?

    • @animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
      @animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 2 месяца назад +2

      But Mozart did write this music. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not great.

    • @animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
      @animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 2 месяца назад +6

      Mozart is revered because his music is great, not the other way around. 🤔🙄

    • @turtlespiritflutes7570
      @turtlespiritflutes7570 2 месяца назад

      He was imitating the cymbals and percussion of the Turkish marching bands, not necessarily the melodic influence. That being said, doesn't work for me either. Don't feel like laughing, marching. I need sublime. But in the spirit of freedom of speech and expression, people should party on.

    • @M_SC
      @M_SC 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes. It’s an instantly accessible, enjoyable piece. To listen to and to learn.

    • @trackmasters65
      @trackmasters65 26 дней назад

      It's a melodic masterpiece, that's why every knows it from pretentious classical music buffs to gangstas in the Bronx.

  • @thomasherzog86
    @thomasherzog86 2 месяца назад +2

    maybe it gets batter after 5 minutes, but i simply cant proceed this hogwash.
    The theme is just an an arpeggio? Lady, have you ever heard about motives? Most themes are just a chord if you break down their motives! Surprise; you just learned how music works.

  • @Mini_Min_
    @Mini_Min_ 2 месяца назад +13

    I miss Ben....Vocal fry guy is a bit too much for my ears.

    • @hurricane_hazel
      @hurricane_hazel 2 месяца назад +31

      So rude. You know these are human beings here, right?

    • @johnburk6564
      @johnburk6564 2 месяца назад +6

      You’ll be OK.

    • @animalsarebeautifulpeople3094
      @animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 2 месяца назад

      Ben has his own channel. Google Ben laude

    • @NN-rn1oz
      @NN-rn1oz 2 месяца назад +2

      I disagree. I found Ben insufferable because he tried too hard to be funny. This one does too, but is not as bad.

    • @OctoPlaysPiano
      @OctoPlaysPiano 2 месяца назад +16

      @@NN-rn1oz Ben and Robert are both amazing!

  • @bazsnell3178
    @bazsnell3178 Месяц назад

    What a load of pretentious tosh!!

  • @MusicOfDreamweaver
    @MusicOfDreamweaver 2 месяца назад +3

    Mozart, perhaps the most overrated composer. Too often I only hear rules in his music, not melodies or harmonies.

    • @berkefeil5646
      @berkefeil5646 2 месяца назад +8

      He composed some of the most beautiful melodies I know, like, what are you talking about haha

    • @scarf550
      @scarf550 2 месяца назад +4

      idk man, he was a melodic genius

    • @Tennisisreallyfun
      @Tennisisreallyfun 2 месяца назад +1

      I second both of the replies to your comment. If he doesn’t compose melodies, then tell me, what is a melody? And I want to know, as I am a trained violinist. It would be good knowledge for me😂

    • @cioccolateriaveneziana
      @cioccolateriaveneziana 2 месяца назад

      I agree. Overrated. Most of his music is bland. What's not bland are these few shiny pieces everyone knows. He was talented, though. One or two piano fantasies, the C major piano concerto no. 25 and the Requiem are good. Plus a few arias in his melodramatic operas.