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  • Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
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    EVERY DETAIL:
    0:00 MESSMER IS A TRAGIC "HERO"
    0:22 Miquellas Hidden Power
    4:20 The Land of Shadow is HIDDEN
    9:18 New Faction/Religions
    10:00 New NPCS/Friends!
    11:30 St Trina and Zamor Knights
    12:58 Another School for Mages?
    13:28 Marika's Parents and the Numen
    15:09 No pot friends :(
    15:27 Dungeon Areas
    16:03 Decaying Castle Pt 1.
    17:03 Human Trash
    17:30 BLOODBORNE REFERENCE
    17:41 Lion Dancer Explained
    21:15 Lion Dancer is Godwyn (Theory #1)
    28:04 Omen Noblemen
    28:22 Decaying Castle Pt 2.
    29:02 Miquella's Incantation?
    29:47 Martial Art Weapons
    30:50 The Influence of the CRUCIBLE
    31:51 Blue Dancer Field Scene
    32:01 GRAVITY POWERS
    32:11 Elden... Beast?
    32:31 BLOODBORNE REFERENCE PT 2
    32:54 Rune Impaling
    33:15 Who is MESSMER THE IMPALER
    40:57 Miquella's Twinblade
    41:32 Messmer's Design & Powers
    43:15 MESSMER IS A TRAGIC "HERO" (Theory #2)
    47:49 Miyazaki Confirms Messmer is a "HERO"
    48:38 Mesmer got the NAMELESS KING treatment
    Demi-God Siblings Art: / gravitydusty
    Marika/Radagon Family Tree Art: / temmaru1
    This is my first genuine lore/theory video, which I wrote the script for, researched, and edited! 🎉
    Thanks to the people who were in my live stream watch party for the premier so that we could all brain storm every shot, sequence, and frame from the Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree | Official Gameplay Reveal Trailer
    • ELDEN RING Shadow of t...
    I've always wanted to make lore videos since I believe I have a decent grasp of the lore for the game I have 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝟏,𝟓𝟎𝟎 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐒𝐓𝐄𝐀𝐌 for.... however, I was running on little to no sleep since this trailer came out so forgive any typos or if I mispronounce some names- like how I accidentally referred to MOHG as MOHGWYN (lol)
    I finished this script within the first 24 hours of the trailer premier, but I had to revise it all halfway through because Miyzaki decided to not be cryptic like usual. Instead he directly give us external context via interviews to confirm pieces of LORE from the Shadow of The Erdtree DLC .
    (Miyazaki interview here)
    www.famitsu.com/news/202402/2...
    Luckily his interview confirming facts for the DLC didn't change much for my video, but I still had to backtrack through everything to make sure there were no inconsistencies and edit in some of the interview updates to my video.
    A lot of my initial theories were proven correct or even got a lot more plausible after his interview, which really makes me happy that I was able to put together the pieces like my Messmer Theory and it still holds up strong. Regardless I wanted to make sure I acknowledged his interviews throughout the video.
    #Messmer #eldenring #shadowoftheerdtree
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  • @syrobe
    @syrobe  Месяц назад +7

    🔻🔻🔻UPDATE NEW ELDEN RING STORY TRAILER ANALYSIS HERE 🔻🔻🔻
    ruclips.net/video/1fSTip-IYpk/видео.html

    • @ChristmasLore
      @ChristmasLore Месяц назад

      "First set food" doesn't mean being born, at all.
      It's more related to discovering a new land (aka the first place the Numen arrived in the Land Between. It wasn't the land of Shadow back then, but another region of the realm- that part whas confirmed by Myazaki himself.
      Marika "veiled" it away later.
      You get sooo much wrong, you should watch other creators videos.

    • @LlamaIndustruies
      @LlamaIndustruies Месяц назад

      Didn’t one of the two fel omen brothers have his horns removed? Maybe the lion dancer puppet master was someone that had access to them, while connected to godwyn from a distance.

    • @joyboy6752
      @joyboy6752 Месяц назад

      Personal theory, george hasnt brought any incest storyline to the story yet. I guess that messmer is the son of miquella and radagon.

    • @xanderkingan5856
      @xanderkingan5856 Месяц назад

      I was thinking after hearing Myazaki saying that its an older culture could mean that these were people who still worship the Crucible and weren't changed to the faith of the Erdtree and the "Omen Lion" design could be their version of our Lion dances. Just an idea, because we haven't heard much on the Crucible.

    • @xanderkingan5856
      @xanderkingan5856 Месяц назад

      Damn, I only watched until the point where you cut out the Messmer scene until the end. Didn't realize that you brought up a similar idea... oof...

  • @dillasoul2228
    @dillasoul2228 4 месяца назад +505

    Miyazaki saying he wants us to enjoy his swamps is akin to a killer asking you to pick which knife they'll use

    • @zokisan9554
      @zokisan9554 4 месяца назад +22

      can't wait for Rusty's swamp ranking

    • @normalguycap
      @normalguycap 4 месяца назад +10

      Seriously. It's been a ton of games, let's hope he actually did it right this time. Probably not. If there is one thing about Fromsoft, they don't learn from their mistakes.

    • @rosco3516
      @rosco3516 4 месяца назад +12

      I hope it's a madness swamp. Not poison swamp water, MADNESS swamp water.

    • @dillasoul2228
      @dillasoul2228 3 месяца назад +14

      @@rosco3516 I think it'll be sleep swamp, but who's to say it won't be the literal lake of hell

    • @EugenTemba
      @EugenTemba 3 месяца назад +2

      I honestly love Caelid, its my favorite zone 😊

  • @artOVtrolling
    @artOVtrolling 3 месяца назад +177

    If only Miquella’s followers knew he was taken to Mohgstein’s Island.

    • @garintj1547
      @garintj1547 2 месяца назад +5

      😂

    • @bendrowned8506
      @bendrowned8506 2 месяца назад +12

      who was on moghstein’s list?💀

    • @awdgaray
      @awdgaray 2 месяца назад

      Miquella was technically very old but just retained a youthful apprarance so Idk

    • @MultiFavoriet
      @MultiFavoriet 2 месяца назад

      @@awdgaray mohg and morgott should be the oldest tho

    • @awdgaray
      @awdgaray 2 месяца назад

      @@MultiFavoriet Idk man, what's a couple hundred if not thousand years to a demi-god. Age really is just a number at that point.

  • @CharlieOnTheBlock
    @CharlieOnTheBlock 4 месяца назад +508

    “Nameless king treatment” is crazy 💀

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +36

      but is it wrong😮

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +9

      @nuSneed i dont recall ever saying it was gwyn who deleted the firstborn from history, just used the example relative to the whole "scrubbed from history books" part.

    • @bentoomet8805
      @bentoomet8805 4 месяца назад +6

      Hey FromSoft does love their parallels

    • @jimmymackelroy1714
      @jimmymackelroy1714 4 месяца назад +4

      Gwyn didn't pass, he was still alive but just hollow@@StephanuSneed

    • @christophersebastiao7501
      @christophersebastiao7501 4 месяца назад +5

      This was my first thought. Being exiled from that family tree for blasphemy or some other reason.

  • @Chill23134
    @Chill23134 23 дня назад +10

    This aged well

  • @Bayle_never_fails
    @Bayle_never_fails 4 месяца назад +448

    Were going to the shadow realm guys

    • @itzkilas
      @itzkilas 4 месяца назад +2

      Im excited af!

    • @I1stGenMythI
      @I1stGenMythI 4 месяца назад

      YESSIR🔥🔥🔥
      Can't wait for the shadow realm

    • @andrewpearce3027
      @andrewpearce3027 4 месяца назад +5

      Welcome to the show realm jimbo

    • @roolrecords
      @roolrecords 4 месяца назад

      It's time to d-d-d-d-die

    • @faisalalanezi8957
      @faisalalanezi8957 4 месяца назад +5

      It’s time to duel !

  • @carlschrappen9712
    @carlschrappen9712 4 месяца назад +743

    Thank you. Someone else that makes the connection that Miquella's Soul left his body.
    From the transcript in the reveal trailer:
    "Divesting himself of his flesh, his strength, his lineage.
    That's why he was unresponsive to Mohg inside his cocoon.

    • @plantman1093
      @plantman1093 4 месяца назад +151

      So a standard response to sexual abuse

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +104

      AGREED, hes got that astral projection no doubt

    • @monster-fg4ev
      @monster-fg4ev 4 месяца назад +13

      @@plantman1093basically 😂

    • @raijinoflimgrave8708
      @raijinoflimgrave8708 4 месяца назад +30

      To me that seemed fairly obvious, given the difference in the withered arm and the miquella we see in the trailer

    • @chloemitchell1557
      @chloemitchell1557 4 месяца назад

      @@raijinoflimgrave8708yes!

  • @RustBrand777
    @RustBrand777 4 месяца назад +138

    9:41 someone pointed out that by pre-ordering you get access to a emote that makes the character model imitate the glowing shape and get this the emote is called…Miquella’s Rune. The shape is Miquella’s great rune.

    • @feshpince7181
      @feshpince7181 4 месяца назад +5

      Ring of Miquella*

    • @Ryzeu
      @Ryzeu 4 месяца назад

      @@feshpince7181 RiNg of mIqUeLlA

    • @TricksterWeazel
      @TricksterWeazel 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah it's called Ring of Miquella.

    • @BodieB
      @BodieB 4 месяца назад +1

      Tbf the runes are mostly made up of rings

  • @sudhanshuchiplunkar8421
    @sudhanshuchiplunkar8421 4 месяца назад +155

    Anyone else feels like the Lion Dancer boss may have 2 stages where once we defeat him in phase 1 all the dancers under the costume would attack us in form of 2 or even 3 seperate entities in phase 2.

    • @shizzaff8424
      @shizzaff8424 4 месяца назад +14

      Yes that's exactly what I was thinking. Or they take off the costume and it's some sort of grafted thing like godrick, human centipede version lmao

    • @shreesharbhat2827
      @shreesharbhat2827 4 месяца назад +1

      I can't decide which is more horrible

    • @TheScrootch
      @TheScrootch 4 месяца назад +12

      You break the costume and it'll be a horde of royal revenants

    • @rflojr7528
      @rflojr7528 4 месяца назад +8

      @@shizzaff8424 I am a fan of the human-centipede Godrick theory.
      Terrifying on the surface, terrifying below the surface

    • @acharastudios
      @acharastudios 4 месяца назад

      And they're all Godskin, right? Right?

  • @Chemtrooper46
    @Chemtrooper46 4 месяца назад +145

    Idk how people don’t see that floating Rune at 9:20 as Miquella’s rune. It’s pretty clear because the DLC is about Miquella, the color of the symbol is his unalloyed gold, and the preorder bonus gives us a gesture called “Ring of Miquella” where the player makes a shape identical to that of that symbol
    It’s Miquella’s Great Rune, or at least a fraction of it. Please upvote this so bro sees it
    And as @hypername1 said below, the Halo Scythe of the servants of Miquella is shaped like that Rune too

    • @j2mmy124
      @j2mmy124 4 месяца назад +5

      Of fuck your right.

    • @Doobiesnacks007
      @Doobiesnacks007 3 месяца назад +4

      You been right OG 😂

    • @durpanda123
      @durpanda123 3 месяца назад +4

      Sometimes people just refuse to accept the most obvious shit. I remember being absolutely baffled how people didn't instantly assume the Zonai were the Zonai when the TOTK art leaked.

    • @hypername1
      @hypername1 3 месяца назад +7

      Another thing that supports this theory that I haven't seen anyone point out is that the halo scythe, wielded by the cleanrot knights, shares almost the exact same shape as that rune, so its possible that the design of the scythe was based off the rune.

    • @Chemtrooper46
      @Chemtrooper46 3 месяца назад

      @@hypername1 damn that’s an amazing observation

  • @MikeL-eo9lp
    @MikeL-eo9lp 4 месяца назад +74

    29:39 THANK YOU, I kept seeing everyone say this might be a sleep spell when it literally matches the colors of the bewitching branch way more than any of the sleep items

  • @huntless4689
    @huntless4689 4 месяца назад +50

    Going off of your theory on the lion dance. Miyazaki did say this was from a culture before the Erdtree and we also know that foresight is a real thing in Elden Ring from the prophet set. I’m thinking that this dance was meant to celebrate incomplete visions of Markia and Godfrey’s future children. Omen horns, gold lightning, and blonde hair brought together by a mighty lion representing Godfrey.

  • @viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476
    @viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476 4 месяца назад +22

    Thank god you pointed out that the “sword” impaled in the man’s head is basically the center piece of the Elden ring

  • @VictorIV0310
    @VictorIV0310 4 месяца назад +48

    48:03 I think its possible that Miyazaki doesn't necessarily mean Hero in that context. When looking at the question - about Elden Ring being structured like a heroic tale - this more means that Messmer is a big player in the narrative of the Shadow Lands. He's a significant figure, on par with the demigods we've face before and isn't a "lore outcast" with no interesting background.
    It does not mean he is, was, or will be a traditionally heroic archetype.

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +11

      it 100% does when you take the context that the theme of heroes will remain the same. he doesnt just say messmer is a hero on its own, he clearly says that messmer is a hero much like how there are other heroes in elden ring that we fight that are not inherently evil people. i even stated hes not a generic hero but a tragic one

    • @rachelz5665
      @rachelz5665 4 месяца назад +1

      Kind of like Vyke?

    • @MistWarrior8633
      @MistWarrior8633 2 месяца назад

      Like Godfrey.

  • @usedcolouringbook8798
    @usedcolouringbook8798 4 месяца назад +144

    Dang, here I was thinking Messmer was the Elden Ring Antichrist, born from Miquella's alter ego St. Trina.

    • @tryptaminus
      @tryptaminus 4 месяца назад +41

      Messmer being the blasphemous ruler of the Shadowlands a place where sinful things live reminds me of lucifer from paradise lost ruling hell as the king of sin. I also get devil vibes from him.

    • @blamepluto7308
      @blamepluto7308 4 месяца назад +23

      @@tryptaminusespecially with fire, dragon and snake motifs

    • @AC-hj9tv
      @AC-hj9tv 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@blamepluto7308bro is right

    • @moseswilson2932
      @moseswilson2932 4 месяца назад +6

      st Trina could be mother still … and we all think it’s merrika but either way is fine .. I like your idea as well .. the only thing is I feel like miquella came here for Godwyn .. either to bring him back somehow or rest his spirit in peace .. fia also told us the god of death would return .. they can’t give us everything in the trailer .. we all know when there’s death in the lands between they return to the erd tree .. but since godwyns soul was only taken .. maybe the shadows is where the soul goes if not guided back to the light

    • @Grenetpr
      @Grenetpr 4 месяца назад

      only an empyrean can wield such power

  • @daveyjoneslocker4703
    @daveyjoneslocker4703 4 месяца назад +64

    Miquella’s voice was in the game preview trailer of 2021. It was very striking and I found it odd that the voice never appeared in game. However in 2024 we now know that is the voice of Miquella.

    • @chesuriel1138
      @chesuriel1138 4 месяца назад +2

      The 2 trailers that come to mind are the ganeplay and story trailers. But Melina spoke in one and Ranni in the other?

    • @daveyjoneslocker4703
      @daveyjoneslocker4703 4 месяца назад +7

      @@chesuriel1138 look up the overview trailer. It’s absolutely not Ranni or Melina’s voice. I actually thought it was Ranni’s pre-launch and then I played the game and hers is higher.

    • @chesuriel1138
      @chesuriel1138 4 месяца назад +1

      @daveyjoneslocker4703 ahhhhh ok now I hear after watching it. Also realized I've never seen the vid, that must've released after I told myself not to watch anything else on the game, wanted to go in as blind as possible lol

    • @aesonone
      @aesonone 4 месяца назад +3

      it's a presenter's voice. said presenter doesn't have to have a character in game, and if they did, they would express differently than this. saying it's the same voice as the new trailer outro is also jumping to conclusions. it is pretty close though don't get me wrong, could be the same person in and out of role

    • @daveyjoneslocker4703
      @daveyjoneslocker4703 4 месяца назад +1

      @@aesonone there’s absolutely nothing wrong with jumping to a conclusion. This is lore speculation for a video game, not a court case or open heart surgery. Also it’s OBVIOUSLY a presenter first and foremost, that goes without saying but it is often the case that a narrator who is obviously a talented voice actor who does marketing presentation voiceovers is also present in the project as a voice actor for a character. It’s extremely common in many mediums and just makes sense. Also at the end of the day the voices ARE similar and it’s almost certainly the same person.

  • @caseycoker1051
    @caseycoker1051 4 месяца назад +42

    "Touch the Withered arm and travel to the realm of Shadow, I will not be far behind."
    It doesn't seem like this line coming from Miquella would make sense, because we are supposed to be following Miquella into the realm of shadow, not the other way around.

    • @wtf_is_this_handle_shit
      @wtf_is_this_handle_shit 3 месяца назад +6

      Following Miquella's instructions to go there also counts as following Miquella

    • @carrier2823
      @carrier2823 3 месяца назад +3

      Also we are “following” in a sense of following his story, not literally following him

    • @Billybob22126
      @Billybob22126 3 месяца назад

      I believe we aren’t actually following Miquella but his story/path that he took after sending his soul to the real of shadow

    • @isaacmiddlemass4784
      @isaacmiddlemass4784 3 месяца назад

      to me it sounds like napheli loux especially the last sentence

    • @Highskyz0
      @Highskyz0 2 месяца назад

      @@wtf_is_this_handle_shitnah there was an image idk if leaked or they dropped it but it shows miquella on torrent on the land of shadows already I do think we are following him. And they said he let go of his flesh and lineage to get there as we see his lifeless body at mogs palace. So it wouldn’t make sense for miquella to be following us into the land of shadows

  • @ryonium9763
    @ryonium9763 4 месяца назад +37

    I'm pretty sure that at 15:47, the weapon in the off-hand is just a regular staff, and the "cross guard" is the sheathe of the rapier

    • @liamrossachacj408
      @liamrossachacj408 4 месяца назад +2

      ok im not gonna lie when i commented i didn't look at any of the comments but i basically said the same thing down to the time stamp and the "cross guard" lol

    • @Dantprime
      @Dantprime 4 месяца назад

      Yeah it's just a sheathe for the rapier

  • @MicEBeats
    @MicEBeats 4 месяца назад +106

    I think the Godwyn Lion Dancer theory was formulated very well and it makes real sense. I think you may be on point

    • @ironmonkey349
      @ironmonkey349 4 месяца назад +2

      Pretty sure it represent Serach, might come from the culture of the beastmen of forum azula

    • @KenobiStark1
      @KenobiStark1 3 месяца назад

      I thought at first that it was going to be Godwyn underneath that because he’s all disfigured from the death root and can’t walk, but then I saw the legs. I know he has a fish bottom but it still would be cool

    • @obzen84
      @obzen84 3 месяца назад

      but how it could be Godwyn, if Godwyn didn't exist before the Erdtree. That beast is derived from a ancient culture before the Erdtree so... good teory thou, if Godwyn were an animal, it would be a golden lion for sure, but for my understanding the dates don't add up.

    • @ArnimKuqi
      @ArnimKuqi 3 месяца назад

      the only problem i could think of is that how would these people get the power to wield lightning if they are from a far a away land and never saw Godwyn? They must have gotten that power from somewhere

    • @KenobiStark1
      @KenobiStark1 3 месяца назад +1

      @@ArnimKuqi if Mesemer is there, and Marika went there, I don’t see why someone like Godwyn or Miquella wouldn’t be able to make it there if they wanted to or set their mind on it. Shiiiiitt who knows, maybe there’s more to them than we know. And I know it’s like stuff from before the crucible, but Miyazaki said it isn’t in the past or anything, it’s in the present time. Although it does seem like this place is kind of untouched by the lands between as it stands now. I don’t know, I’m so damn excited for this DLC. Oh and Godwyn got the lightning power from the dragons right? And they were around from before the crucible. Could explain why they both wield it.

  • @doolenny9458
    @doolenny9458 4 месяца назад +18

    This is the best trailer analysis I have seen so far
    The details you noticed I don't think anyone else noticed are amazing
    And the two theories are amazing
    Hats off to you

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +3

      im cookin up a miquella lore video should be posted tomorrow! cant wait for you to see that one as i feel its way more put together than even this video!

  • @eliloveless3859
    @eliloveless3859 4 месяца назад +20

    A theory that I came up with for the lion is that it is meant to represent the omens and has something to do with the omen killers. Like you said, the the golden lions are meant to symbolize the erdtree and I think that a disfigured lion covered in horns perfectly represents how most of the lands between saw the omens. A crude mockery of man devoid of grace. Although, I have no idea where the lighting plays into all this.

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +2

      21:15 Lightning!

  • @erem49_41
    @erem49_41 4 месяца назад +15

    It makes sense because Morgott called the thrones "traitors all" but Messmer wouldn't be considered a traitor because he only kills graceless I guess which still lines up with the ideals of the Golden Order under Morgott.

    • @draw2death421
      @draw2death421 4 месяца назад +1

      He also didint call Mohg a traitor.

  • @Quailore
    @Quailore 4 месяца назад +75

    Maybe that symbol the knight is in front of is a smaller version of Miquella's great rune that he left to guide us. Kind of like Gael left pieces of cloth to guide us in the Ringed City in DS3.

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +7

      i like this idea.

    • @jaytico5835
      @jaytico5835 4 месяца назад +18

      I think that rune may be our “bonfire” i dont think there are grace sites in the new area. Miyazaki said we will be following miquella’s “footsteps” in the new lands.

    • @jotasietesiete4397
      @jotasietesiete4397 4 месяца назад +5

      ​@@jaytico5835makes sense there wouldnt be grace if the erdtree's light doesnt reach there

    • @TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike
      @TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike 4 месяца назад

      In that shot - doesn't the crest of the helmet look like it completes the missing portion of rune ring?

    • @Caac0483
      @Caac0483 4 месяца назад +1

      The simbol is clearly miquellas rune, the emote for the pre-order almost comfirm this.

  • @thenotexistingguy
    @thenotexistingguy 4 месяца назад +32

    This is my pesonal favorite analysis Video and your messmer is a hero theory makes sense even miyazaki said in an interview that messmer is something of a hero himself

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +6

      THANK YOU, no ones made this connection yet from what ive seen and miyazaki even hints at it!!!

    • @thesnatcher3616
      @thesnatcher3616 4 месяца назад +9

      ​@@syrobe To be fair, all the Elden Ring shardbearers were supposed to be sort of heroic. That's at least what GRR Martin had in mind when he created them. All Miyazaki did though is take those heroic concepts and corrupt them into their worst forms, essentially turning all the demigods into neccesarily morally questionable antiheroes at best and absolute monsters at worst. I am pretty damn sure that's what he was referring to when he called Messmer a "hero".

    • @jamiehalfkin5813
      @jamiehalfkin5813 4 месяца назад

      Couldn't agree more!!!!👍💯🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @shock2311
      @shock2311 4 месяца назад +1

      @@syrobe Vaati did.

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@shock2311thats cool, my video was posted before his was even uploaded!

  • @GiganticPawUnit
    @GiganticPawUnit 4 месяца назад +9

    I'm assuming that we're visiting the jar warrior factory, and all those jars are hanging around waiting to be filled up with dead guys.

  • @cesarsanchez8270
    @cesarsanchez8270 4 месяца назад +19

    In the first dungeon area that you showed, lava guy walking up, I believe the player has a rapier in his main hand and a staff in the other but the sheath of the rapier makes it look like a cross.

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +3

      good eye! that makes a lot more sense

  • @CL0UDZER0
    @CL0UDZER0 4 месяца назад +65

    I just recently started Elden Ring, and I've started watching a lot of your videos. I was waiting for a DLC analysis video, but 1 Hour is a lot more than I thought you would get from 3 minutes of trailer. Great job man. Keep up the amazing content!

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +12

      THERE WAS MORE I HAD TO CUT BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS JUST RAMBLING LOL

  • @blufishiee
    @blufishiee 4 месяца назад +6

    Enjoyed watching and hearing your thoughts about the DLC, super hyped ta watch more videos you make about it!

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +1

      More to come!

  • @ladrellhart2063
    @ladrellhart2063 4 месяца назад +11

    You're definitely the first to reference Godwyn. I assumed the same thing when I saw the lion boss. I can't believe no other channel was able to catch that.

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +6

      i made a lot of small mistakes on pronouncations but i was running on no sleep so im glad you were able to look past them to the bigger pictures!

    • @ladrellhart2063
      @ladrellhart2063 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@syrobe Absolutely. This was a fantastic video.

  • @thewingfather4325
    @thewingfather4325 4 месяца назад +10

    Just in regards to the bit on light travelling, all light travels infinitely, but it may become absorbed in the process of travel. While this is not always the case, red light tends to be absorbed the fastest of all colours, so much so that many deep water fish develope red camoflage, because its as effective as being completely black at that depth.
    The reason a sunset is a different colour is because the atmosphere tends to scatter blue light fairly strongly, when the atmosphere is thinner, this doesn't happen too many times and the blue light coats the sky, but when the atmosphere becomes thicker, like when the light as coming in at a relative angle to where we are on the planet, the light scatters so much that we can barely see it at all, leaving behind other wavelengths like yellow and red. This can depend on the thickness and nature of that section of the atmosphere, which is why sunsets are usually different depending on where you go.
    For this reason, I reckon the red light is almost entirely stylistic, as red colours and factions are generally shown through the game to be oppositional to the gold that represents "good" such as Leyndell and the heretics of Gelmir, co-operators vs recusants and so on. Especially given this area is ravaged by a man who alligns himself with everything that is against the golden order.

    • @thewingfather4325
      @thewingfather4325 4 месяца назад +1

      Great vid otherwise though! That part just in particular was bothering me.

  • @ArdynSol
    @ArdynSol 4 месяца назад +6

    Amazing video. Loved the KH BGM during the Messmer analysis lol

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +2

      im suprised people recognized it haha

  • @salemarde
    @salemarde 4 месяца назад +7

    your golden lion theory makes sense, but i see it as a parody of godwyin , a mockery of him.

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +1

      also could be true!

  • @MiserableLunacy
    @MiserableLunacy 4 месяца назад +15

    Thank you Styrobe
    I know when no one else got me you will and on top of that you're also quick with it too

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +4

      Wouldve been finished sooner if miyazaki didnt do so many interviews with external context and confirmations of the lore in the trailer

  • @ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg
    @ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg 4 месяца назад +10

    Another thing about the Lightning in the Lion Dancer boss fight is that the Lightning is Yellow.
    Only the player is able to use this lightning in game because of how incantations work. Any other enemy and in the game has red lightning because they are either worshiping the Ancient Dragons or ARE Ancient Dragons.
    The Lion Dancer could be worshiping Godwyn and thats how their Lightning is Yellow

    • @ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg
      @ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg 4 месяца назад

      @@johnrich4953 that's right! I forgot about those. But they are also dragon cultists from Godwyn dragon cult

    • @ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg
      @ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg 4 месяца назад

      @@johnrich4953Dude, I want a weapon that can cast spells so bad just like in DS3. This DLC is going to have one otherwise why hhave 8 extra weapon classes! this is nuts

  • @ahealthkit2745
    @ahealthkit2745 4 месяца назад +4

    The idea that the lion dancer is some reference to Godwynn is interesting, but the chained up and de-horned golden lions we find in the lands between seem to imply that these creatures ARE/WERE real, and that at some point when the crucible wasn't shunned, they where heralds of power, so iconic that they were used as symbol for the original round table hold, the tarnished (presumably) before they went on their long march and abandoned the lands between.
    So I think it's more likely that the golden lions are more an organic symbol that was worshipped long before it was adopted as a symbol for Godrick. And the golden tree might be the version of the erd tree that was destroyed in the shadow realm. Would make sense since the round table hold also has iconography of a large erd-tree like tree, that has distinctly different artwork than the 'erdtree faithful' version of the same symbol.
    Two trees, two cultures. Marika came from the realm of shadow. Her first lord was the lord of tarnished, who presumably came from the culture that worshipped/reverred the crucible and the golden lions. After Mesmer's betrayal in the realm of shadow, omens, omen horns, and the crucible itself, were deemed heretical.

  • @MerchantOfLies
    @MerchantOfLies 3 месяца назад +19

    Messmer is the real lord of blood. Even after defeating Mohg Gideon still lists the "Lord of Blood" as one of the undiscovered demigods.

    • @brettmorgan7616
      @brettmorgan7616 2 месяца назад +1

      You noticed that 💪🏽

    • @NefariousTV
      @NefariousTV Месяц назад +2

      What if it's not Miquella in the cocoon, but Messmer?

    • @BiggyMalk
      @BiggyMalk Месяц назад +1

      If you kill melania before maliketh does he not meantion her again?

  • @DaRealistDG
    @DaRealistDG 4 месяца назад +7

    Yep. I saw that lion and with the golden hair immediately thought of Godwyn and doubled down when I saw it use lightning. I think that Godwyn will be the biggest threat in the game with Miquella helping to ultimately stop the god of death

    • @alinalisan3361
      @alinalisan3361 4 месяца назад +2

      The lion is just the head of a lion swung around by two omens stacked on top of each other, and Miyazaki also confirmed this lion as well as the theme of the boss fight originates from a long forgotten culture in the Lands of Shadow

  • @punkyrockerz
    @punkyrockerz 4 месяца назад +5

    YES!! Godskin apostle is the first thing I thought of when I saw his wrist

  • @wrextheblind3787
    @wrextheblind3787 4 месяца назад

    Love this video and the way you broke down the frame by frame and details of just the trailer. Can’t wait to see what you break down from the actual game

  • @alexfernandez9400
    @alexfernandez9400 4 месяца назад +10

    Thank you for talking about godwyn with the lion I'm getting a serious inclination we might see godwyn in some form. Because Godwyn as we know, was very protective and/or close to the twins Miquella/Malenia. This is mostly about Miquella and I think because of that we might run into godwyn.

  • @trBass
    @trBass 4 месяца назад +9

    You did a fantastic job, first 1 hour DLC breakdown that I enjoyed fully :)

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! I find the messmer theory to be really well done 43:15

  • @FPSMLGFTW
    @FPSMLGFTW 4 месяца назад +5

    Did anyone else notice that the black stuff coming off messmers flame look like tree roots or tree branches? i wonder if theres some symbolism there. Great video by the way, well done sir.

    • @steamedhamlet
      @steamedhamlet 4 месяца назад +1

      It looks like death blight. Destined death has that effect.

  • @HVYLUX
    @HVYLUX 4 месяца назад

    amazing video. I love all the lore. A lot of questions I had got answered here. Cheers!

  • @SoloC33
    @SoloC33 3 месяца назад

    Honestly I’m glad u took ur time and did everything u did, dope vid 🔥

  • @gun_slinger6664
    @gun_slinger6664 4 месяца назад +3

    Also in relation to the twinblade the character is using to fight Messmer, it's the same twin blade being used by the knight boss when the player character is doing the monk style kick attack. So most likely the reward for defeating that knight. We also know it's a boss as there is a fog wall in the background.

  • @mydarktragedy2914
    @mydarktragedy2914 4 месяца назад +11

    Am I the only person who thinks Messmer's spears look very similar to the giant briar spears that are impaling the dead fire giants on the Mountain Top of the Giants?

    • @damienmcneff7715
      @damienmcneff7715 4 месяца назад +1

      Omg. You’re right, ITS THE SAME SPEAR!!!

    • @Kazaki009
      @Kazaki009 4 месяца назад

      because he killed the giants bye helping godfrey I think idk@@damienmcneff7715

  • @stephan7379
    @stephan7379 4 месяца назад

    I love souls lore! I digest all of it and your video and lack of sleep is very much aprreciated! The missing chair is probably my favorite part seeing as how on the nose it is. something we almost couldn't know without the extra puzzle pieces we just got given.

  • @jdhinez4372
    @jdhinez4372 4 месяца назад +1

    Glad to see you back

  • @juliofoolio2982
    @juliofoolio2982 4 месяца назад +3

    The circle with a cross starting at about 9:20 is almost definitely a new Great Rune in my opinion.

  • @Ryan-cs3uc
    @Ryan-cs3uc 4 месяца назад +3

    Theorizing that the painting of the couple being Marika’s parents is actually interesting and makes sense. If it truly is the place she was born, it would make sense to see her heritage

  • @calebellison9082
    @calebellison9082 Месяц назад +2

    What if Mesmer chased Marika out of the realm of Shadows? She fled to the Land Between to grow her own Erdtree, and what if he was behind the death of Godwyn and she shattered the ring to find a champion to beat Mesmer?

  • @twofourtwo5912
    @twofourtwo5912 4 месяца назад +2

    This was dope keep em coming

  • @IsraTheBlack
    @IsraTheBlack 4 месяца назад +6

    There is so much more to unpack. The 8 new weapon types and the official images on twitter that show some new things as well like soldiers wielding harpoons and the player character using a spell that looks exactly like that big monster uses at 33:47.

  • @jamesbalderson3931
    @jamesbalderson3931 4 месяца назад +13

    Another thing I may be wrong on but you continue to refer to Mohgwyn as a person. Mohgwyn was the palace. The Character name was Mohg, the lord of Blood

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад +4

      i got it mixed up with godwyn and mohgwyn palace happens when you dont get any sleep, but i will improve for the future!

    • @ronaldpadgett2580
      @ronaldpadgett2580 Месяц назад

      ​@syrobe don't take it to heart bro just has a hard on for technicalities

  • @akanni_plays
    @akanni_plays 4 месяца назад

    Very well done video bro...Will definitely watch this repeatedly...thumbs up!

  • @robertsoto5713
    @robertsoto5713 4 месяца назад

    Nice man . I love lore videos and don’t think I’ve heard u b4 but subbed on principle. I’ll check out ur other videos and hope to see more soon.

  • @Nitrospartan911
    @Nitrospartan911 Месяц назад +3

    I always like these videos that are super wrong when the next video lmao

  • @TheJLAMAR23
    @TheJLAMAR23 Месяц назад

    Absolutely fantastic video man! You should be proud of this one 💪🏻👊🏻

  • @KaedNinescarred
    @KaedNinescarred 4 месяца назад +2

    Love it! The strong throne position ending to cap it off!

  • @dannyyoung9789
    @dannyyoung9789 4 месяца назад +10

    This sis a great video but PLEASE learn the pronunciations of the characters. Literally every name you say I got distracted because of pronunciation mistakes. Not just names either, but maybe run it by someone first because words like sepia and such are also mispronounced. No need to bring the quality down with something that isn’t that important but can easily take someone out paying attention to what really matters.

  • @williamramos5636
    @williamramos5636 3 месяца назад

    I enjoyed this more that I was thinking I would! This felt like a movie, a series of books of Elden Ring will hit so hard. Thanks for the good work my friend, you deserve a new subscriber for sure.

  • @yukil.spencer3848
    @yukil.spencer3848 4 месяца назад +2

    Yes thanks for mentioning cantonese lion dancing! Happy to see inspiration from it. I wonder how miyazaki interprets it into elden ring

  • @thesandwich5321
    @thesandwich5321 4 месяца назад

    Wow!! Amazing work, this is so detailed

  • @wrextheblind3787
    @wrextheblind3787 4 месяца назад

    The screen shot of the lion at 32:48 makes him look like he is so happy lol it threw me off a bit, like don’t smile at me bro I know your really trying to kill me

  • @lordtrinen2249
    @lordtrinen2249 4 месяца назад +1

    Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the unusually large gap between the throne's during the Morgott cutscene. I've always noticed that and found it odd and am glad to finally have a theory for it.

  • @austerberrys101
    @austerberrys101 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for this great breakdown.. And also for pointing out about having to beat Radahn and Mohg..i was achievement hunting on my last few playthrough's, so I'm gonna have to do those battles now 😮‍💨😂

  • @menopally
    @menopally 4 месяца назад +2

    It might not correlate to Mesmer but the rot duelist on the mountain of giants has a grab attack that makes a snake appear from his body too. It's also interesting that he stands at the edge of the mountain looking far into the horizon like he is looking for something close

  • @AMEMORYSAY0
    @AMEMORYSAY0 4 месяца назад +1

    One of the most informational video !!

  • @frozen_jf
    @frozen_jf 4 месяца назад +1

    Absolutely love the video and your theory is awesome!
    Only one thing...I noticed that you couldn't determine exactly what the prisoner class was holding...I believe it to be the standard gear of that class - a rapier in the right hand, a staff in the left hand, and the "cross shape" you spoke of created by the sheathe for the rapier.

  • @caliaid
    @caliaid 4 месяца назад +1

    i think that glowing rune thing is the new check point / site of grace, since it seems to be planted in the grass. this would make sense, since we have divested of Grace to get here, so we’d need a new fast travel/check point mechanic.

  • @ChrisCloudz
    @ChrisCloudz 4 месяца назад +2

    THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

    • @ChrisCloudz
      @ChrisCloudz 4 месяца назад +1

      i do miss the cut off segment joke thing you’d do at the end of your videos it made me laugh

  • @noahdapp8423
    @noahdapp8423 Месяц назад +1

    This is the best theory/analysis I've seen so far. I think the shunned child because he pissed merika off makes perfect sense. At some point she was loyal to the erd tree, so burning it = bad.
    Some things I'm thinking, is maybe some of the reason flames and Snakes are bad is because mesmer (I know there's other reasons too). Also maybe miquela is after mesmers flame because he's able to burn erd trees aka defy the outer gods influence. Miquela and rani have have similar goals of defying the outer gods.

  • @zackor1120
    @zackor1120 4 месяца назад +1

    This was an incredibly indepth video and opened up a lot of insight. As always you did an amazing job man, so much effort went into an absolutely fantastic video that helped open some insight for the new dlc.

  • @guyzero9
    @guyzero9 4 месяца назад +1

    About 15:50, I think the weapon the player has in their left hand might be a staff or spear, and the thing next to it is probably a sheath for the sword in their right hand

  • @wizzord466
    @wizzord466 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video man

    • @syrobe
      @syrobe  4 месяца назад

      id like to do more hopefully! lots of stuff to cover still

  • @beansnrice321
    @beansnrice321 4 месяца назад +2

    So far I'm not too deep in but I do agree that it's likely Miquella's voice in the beginning of the trailer asking you to, "touch the withered arm."

  • @StreetSoundsSwirln
    @StreetSoundsSwirln 4 месяца назад

    This was worth the wait!!! 🎉 I'm crazy excited for the "kung fu" weapon coming out and that golden lion boss is my new favorite boss design 😂 it soo wild! Gonna watch this vid over and over. There's so much to look foward to and theorize!

  • @luckydueces5873
    @luckydueces5873 4 месяца назад

    Very thorough and well thought analysis! A lot of the theories make sense. Also the hippo enemy doesn’t look like elden beast, but instead it looks like a new crucible incantation. “Bone” or “Spines”

  • @sweatychaw3105
    @sweatychaw3105 4 месяца назад +1

    Great vid boss :)

  • @jonathonparson7967
    @jonathonparson7967 3 месяца назад +1

    Very great video will return after release

  • @godofdeatha
    @godofdeatha 4 месяца назад +1

    Good video liked the theorys

  • @someone8337
    @someone8337 4 месяца назад +1

    the sepents have wings, this could mean that they are infant dragons as dragons are since medieval times depicted as serpents with wings and legs. we also know that myazaki loves to take inspiration from berserk and it is speculated that messmer is inspired by grunbeld who in the front page of "the flame dragon knight" is showed as having a very similar helmet and red hair. he is also heavily tied with flames and dragons and if those sepents are infant dragons then the ties between messmer and grunbeld go beyond just looks. the dragon incantation crest also holds a symbol similar to that of messmers flame symbol, and messmer has eyes resembling the dragon communion eyes. and we can also see that messmer is inspired by vlad the impaler. we can see many spears coming up from the ground in his bossfight like the stakes vlad used against his enemies. now this could go further as vlad is also the inspiration for vampires.

  • @Danielevel
    @Danielevel 4 месяца назад

    28:23 its a weapon, and its weapon art is that u throw the knives and when u cast it again the previous knife teleports to your hand, making u have infinite throwing knifes while u have fp

  • @ryanschultz4119
    @ryanschultz4119 4 месяца назад

    You have a real talent for deductive reasoning. I very much enjoyed this video. Great work!💯👍

  • @jaybutler779
    @jaybutler779 3 месяца назад

    Excellent analysis. You’ve earned my subscription

  • @Respira-zx7dk
    @Respira-zx7dk 4 месяца назад +1

    Great Video!

  • @samplexample
    @samplexample Месяц назад +1

    Yeah I was originally thinking that lion is the desecrated carcass of Sarosh, but then I realized he doesn’t die until the Godfrey fight. It’s definitely an effigy mocking Godwyn.
    Perhaps hidden optional bosses will be available if certain plot flags have occurred. The center area where the Land of Shadow is touches on all map regions. Maybe The various DLC areas will be tied to each area ‘ripped out’ of the Golden Order reality.

  • @SerialChiller12101
    @SerialChiller12101 4 месяца назад

    Loved your thoughts on the DLC it’s got my brain intrigued to see it all come to light when the dlc gets released. Also great choice in background music if I am not mistaken it is from Kingdom Hearts. 😊

  • @liamrossachacj408
    @liamrossachacj408 4 месяца назад

    15:47 thats a staff you can tell by the blue at the tip and the "cross guard" is just the sheath for the rapier

  • @Zarocaz
    @Zarocaz 4 месяца назад +1

    I can hear those notes from Dive into the Heart :) great choice

  • @fallen_3334
    @fallen_3334 4 месяца назад +2

    nah anyone else just want miyazaki to make a movie that gives a bunch of lore but still leave us with a lot of things to wonder about?

  • @JohnnyAppleFiend
    @JohnnyAppleFiend Месяц назад

    The NPC in the raya Lucaria type area is actually on the inverted carian statue, as well as a normal orientation version in the Church of the Cuckoo in the academy

  • @freemygrandma956
    @freemygrandma956 4 месяца назад

    14:17 someone pointed out that the old guy makes the gargoyles, from the watchdogs staff description….it looks just like his brooch

  • @user-yg8jf1zk9e
    @user-yg8jf1zk9e Месяц назад +1

    I still think the Frenzied Flame ending was the best one for the Lands Between. Every time someone takes the throne, it will rinse and repeat, you'll get usurped and eventually, they will too. Hit that restart button and hopefully it'll get better for the next batch that co.e from the ashes

  • @aiRxShop
    @aiRxShop Месяц назад

    The erd (red) tree branches almost look more like roots in this shot like they’re going through the clouds

  • @bravobird9435
    @bravobird9435 4 месяца назад

    That golden symbol we see near the beginning of the video looks quite similar to Mesmer'a spear when we see him sitting on his throne.

  • @Napa2323....7
    @Napa2323....7 4 месяца назад

    loved the vid so so juiced for this it is hear!

  • @maniacalmurderer4123
    @maniacalmurderer4123 4 месяца назад +3

    That player character you showed at the start with the symbols is likely the character we saw in the opening shot with the bodyless white robe
    This same character seems to be wearing a white robe with the same style of faded embroidery in the robe itself on the back. It is more likely that this character will be an NPC in the realm of shadows same as the knight in the next shot after that in the sunset.

  • @BulbousBeanBag
    @BulbousBeanBag 4 месяца назад +2

    Dozens?? I’m never trusting you to guess how many jellybeans are in the jar.

  • @CrushCard
    @CrushCard 4 месяца назад

    in the "dungeon areas" part of the video, that thing in their offhand looks like a staff of some sort with the scabbard of the sword in their main hand blocking a part of it because they seem to move separately