Wow. This is absolutely incredible on the analysis, presentation and execution. Phenomenal work. I’d also like to stress that I definitely understood your whole mathematical bit and totally planned that part all along to be whatever it is you described it to be!
a lot of people seem to think that over analyzing songs makes you enjoy it less. but i have so much more appreciation after knowing what's actually going on in the rhythm. This channel is awesome! subbed
Yes! My favourite Periphery album by a long way, so many cool rhythmic ideas, like the implied metric modulation thing near the end of Icarus Lives (2:51), and the desynced/delayed riff moment in Buttersnips (3:26). I love when multiple guests are stacked together too. Couple of examples off the top of my head are Karnivool: Fear Of The Sky at 3:16, hats are keeping a 5/4 pulse, ride bell groups of 5, kick is 3+3+3+3+3+3+2. The other one is The Helix Nebula: Time Piece at 2:29, hats keeping a 4/4 pulse, ride bell groups of 3, kick groups of 5, snare groups of 7. 3 guests! Guitars double kick and snare.
The greatest and best thing about this is that the second riff begins with only half a minute remaining in the video, and the third continues in the background...both more complex than the first, and both with absolutely no acknowledgement or explanation. You truly are the most evil of geniuses
But really - I get so annoyed with riffs that just do the old "repeated 3 or 6 pattern over 4/4, and arbitrarily vary or truncate the last one to fit the 4/4 host". It's the reason early Tool isn't great, and that Tool imitators aren't very good bands a lot of the time. And it's same the reason I was underwhelmed by 'The Walk', UNTIL Mr. 5 came in (so, not for very long at all). I think this was Periphery's very conscious way of nodding to and transcending the "3-3-3-3-4" thing in 2010.
@@YogevGabay Oh absolutely! I basically mean when people write that way almost unconsciously, because it's a very powerful but unchecked influence and they throw it in without really thinking about their composition. I'm thinking of a lot of local Australian bands that I wouldn't recommend 😅😅 But I love Pearl Jam's 'Ten' and Sevendust's 'Animosity', both of which have super-groovy 3.3.3.3.4 kick patterns in almost every track 🤘
This is one of the best series on RUclips. Sharpie and paper visuals with straight to the point and in depth rhythmic analysis. Now that you've looked at Periphery, I'd love to see you tackle heavier stuff. Maybe some Car Bomb in the future? They do some nasty stuff, but I don't doubt your ability. Considering the Meshuggah videos, nothing phases you anymore does it?
I wrote a section of a song with 4 simultaneous time signatures for 3 measures of 5/4, and then a measure of 3/4 where everyone plays 3 quarter notes. First is the riff in 5. Then 1st horn enters playing a different 5. 2nd horn enters playing 3. 3rd horn enters playing 2 (I was thinking 4 but it’s 4 eights which is just 2 quarters). 4th horn is 7. Also their melodies aren’t super related, and when it comes to the 3 chords at the end it’s just whatever we’re the next notes in their series, so it gets more and more dissonant as the horns are layered. I think what makes it work at all is introducing each part one at a time.
Man, you *have* to do the part of "Satellites" where they play a riff pattern of fifteen 16th notes, played four times over a regular 4/4 beat. That is to say, they're moving the riff one 16th note every two bars, completely changing the feel of the pattern depending on its position relative to the downbeat. It is *CRAZY*
Symphony X have some cool moments with layers of different meters with other cool textural fun and games. I think the part just before the end of ‘The Accolade’ was pretty cool 😎
This is incredible. Such a thorough and helpful explanation yet doesn’t even get through the whole intro of the song. It would take hours to break down the whole song in this level of detail.
The 3v4v5 makes me think of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Do you like them? I've successfully figured out the rhythms to some of their songs like The Donkey-Headed Adversary of Humanity, Phthisis, Bring Back the Apocalypse... but there's one I could never quite figure out: the last stretch The Widening Eye. And if you like that one maybe try the middle bit of 1997 too. They're really into metric modulation.
I get so excited whenever I see you've released a new video, great work as always! By the way, do you have any tips on how to practice playing polyrhythms? Also, you did superbly on David Bruce's "classical metal" project!
Oh man thanks a lot! That video of his was so fun to do. About practicing polyrhythms, it's quite simple. You need to get as much "listen time" as you can. All these polyrhythms are not something you need to practice on your instrument. You need to practice you listening and your observation skills first. So my advice? Just listen to AS MUCH MUSIC AS YOU CAN. Obviously if you want to dive into polyrhythms, listen to as many of those as you can and start recognizing the patterns. It's not as hard as it seems, it's just a different way of getting better so it seems unreachable. Does that make sense?
@@YogevGabay I already do listen a lot to rhythmically complex music, Tigran Hamasyan being my favorite artist by far for the past four years, as well as being my biggest inspiration when composing music. This series has however helped a lot with not only understanding complex rhythms, but it's also the songs you choose to analyse that paints a bigger picture rather than sticking to only one genre. It's brilliant! What you're saying makes sense, though I think I already have the experience. I think I mostly need to practice hand independence. Thanks for answering!
some suggestions: - Addict by Destiny Potato ( 3m28s ) took me about 3 months to learn on drums, i still get lost sometimes... super sick! - Woke Up Today by Jacob Collier ( 1m05s ) still can't figure out how to jam to this part, it's an enigma... - Awmane by Hostin x Steele ( 2m05s ) pretty interesting part but maybe i'm not thinking hard enough about it - New Millenium Cyanide Christ by Meshuggah ( 2m28s ) maybe?
Oh boy you are gold. I love the suggestions, and will listen to all of them! Except for the Meshuggah one. That one I know in my sleep hahahah I'm gonna do more meshuggah songs in this channel no doubt about it!
Super work on a complex song. Question for you: how long does it take you to recognize something like the two “guest” time signatures? Can you immediately hear them, or do you have to puzzle them out? I don’t think I’d have arrived at the 6/16 (3/8) even after significant effort.
So it's a 2 part answer. It isn't easy. Finding these things, especially if they are well hidden can be difficult. BUT! The more I've been listening to these kinds of music, and analyzing them in my head, the more you get used to hearing and spotting these patterns easily. As of now, it's pretty easy for me to detect that a pattern exists, and I have enough tools to figure most songs out. Sure there are a bunch of songs that will take me longer, but I'm quite positive I have the right tools to tackle them with a positive chance of success. Does that make sense? Bottom line, your ears are the key. The more you practice listening and analyzing, the easier it gets.
Wow. This is absolutely incredible on the analysis, presentation and execution. Phenomenal work.
I’d also like to stress that I definitely understood your whole mathematical bit and totally planned that part all along to be whatever it is you described it to be!
Yeah we believe you. 😜😜😜
Oh shitt Misha's here
We never doubted for a second
I love you
Hi Misha
Misha needs to see this so he can learn how he wrote this riff
A year after you comment this and he did lol
a lot of people seem to think that over analyzing songs makes you enjoy it less. but i have so much more appreciation after knowing what's actually going on in the rhythm. This channel is awesome! subbed
Thanks! and I agree, I think getting to the bottom of things makes me appreciate them further
@@YogevGabay that's because you're curious, and that's such a good thing to have
60% of the time it works every time
סוף סוף מישהו מבין
I think Periphery definitely has more whacky songs to find time in like Zyglrox, Racecar (nuts...), Zero (Misha Mansoor Clear- EP), and Omega.
Zyglrox is probably my favorite song
Yes! My favourite Periphery album by a long way, so many cool rhythmic ideas, like the implied metric modulation thing near the end of Icarus Lives (2:51), and the desynced/delayed riff moment in Buttersnips (3:26).
I love when multiple guests are stacked together too. Couple of examples off the top of my head are Karnivool: Fear Of The Sky at 3:16, hats are keeping a 5/4 pulse, ride bell groups of 5, kick is 3+3+3+3+3+3+2.
The other one is The Helix Nebula: Time Piece at 2:29, hats keeping a 4/4 pulse, ride bell groups of 3, kick groups of 5, snare groups of 7. 3 guests! Guitars double kick and snare.
OH BOOYYYY I'm on it ! Thanks for suggesting!
Daniel Berry
Good call on the Helix Nebula track-love it. Those guitars sound ready for a fight.
The greatest and best thing about this is that the second riff begins with only half a minute remaining in the video, and the third continues in the background...both more complex than the first, and both with absolutely no acknowledgement or explanation. You truly are the most evil of geniuses
But really - I get so annoyed with riffs that just do the old "repeated 3 or 6 pattern over 4/4, and arbitrarily vary or truncate the last one to fit the 4/4 host". It's the reason early Tool isn't great, and that Tool imitators aren't very good bands a lot of the time.
And it's same the reason I was underwhelmed by 'The Walk', UNTIL Mr. 5 came in (so, not for very long at all). I think this was Periphery's very conscious way of nodding to and transcending the "3-3-3-3-4" thing in 2010.
IDK, I think when you do it well, it can be SUUUUPER groovy
@@YogevGabay Oh absolutely! I basically mean when people write that way almost unconsciously, because it's a very powerful but unchecked influence and they throw it in without really thinking about their composition. I'm thinking of a lot of local Australian bands that I wouldn't recommend 😅😅
But I love Pearl Jam's 'Ten' and Sevendust's 'Animosity', both of which have super-groovy 3.3.3.3.4 kick patterns in almost every track 🤘
@@samgquinlan That album in general is GOLD
WOOO PERIPHERY!!! favorite band of all time, love to see it
Glad you enjoyed!
you should analyze the ending breakdown of letter experiment or icarus lives!
Man those songs are so gooodddd
This is one of the best series on RUclips. Sharpie and paper visuals with straight to the point and in depth rhythmic analysis. Now that you've looked at Periphery, I'd love to see you tackle heavier stuff. Maybe some Car Bomb in the future? They do some nasty stuff, but I don't doubt your ability. Considering the Meshuggah videos, nothing phases you anymore does it?
Yo thanks a lot man!
Car Bomb is definitely on the way.
And yeah, more Meshuggah are certainly coming!
I wrote a section of a song with 4 simultaneous time signatures for 3 measures of 5/4, and then a measure of 3/4 where everyone plays 3 quarter notes. First is the riff in 5. Then 1st horn enters playing a different 5. 2nd horn enters playing 3. 3rd horn enters playing 2 (I was thinking 4 but it’s 4 eights which is just 2 quarters). 4th horn is 7. Also their melodies aren’t super related, and when it comes to the 3 chords at the end it’s just whatever we’re the next notes in their series, so it gets more and more dissonant as the horns are layered. I think what makes it work at all is introducing each part one at a time.
This video is criminally underrated.
❤️❤️❤️ Periphery!! Moar, please!
The editing in this breakdown is INSANE, amazing video!!
This is great, I love the full breakdown at ~ 6:15 -- I'm not a musician so seeing it visually really helps!
Dude.. that is so freaking sick. You're awesome 🤘🏼
I'm just happy to see you.
היי יואל.
I discovered your channel through David Bruce's video and i'm so glad!
Awesome! Welcome aboard!
Another fantastic lesson! Keep up the great work.
Love it! Really glad to see this Periphery video, I would enjoy to see other songs by them 🤘
Oh yeah. Pure Riff!
The breakdown is very meaningful, great work! That’s quite a tune
Can’t wait for next host/guests mayhem!
More to come!
Man, you *have* to do the part of "Satellites" where they play a riff pattern of fifteen 16th notes, played four times over a regular 4/4 beat. That is to say, they're moving the riff one 16th note every two bars, completely changing the feel of the pattern depending on its position relative to the downbeat. It is *CRAZY*
Symphony X have some cool moments with layers of different meters with other cool textural fun and games. I think the part just before the end of ‘The Accolade’ was pretty cool 😎
wow this is impresive
Great video man! This is one of my favorite songs! The intro gets me pumped every time lol
This is incredible. Such a thorough and helpful explanation yet doesn’t even get through the whole intro of the song. It would take hours to break down the whole song in this level of detail.
Where it's at...where it's at.
I got 3 time signatures and a microphone.
Brilliant!
One of these videos you find at 2 AM and just have to know the secrets of a Periphery song.
Fanastic Video!
yo pls do some dillinger escape plan, maybe sugar coated sour or 43%burnt. we need it
Wow, that song is freaking awesome
Cool idea for a channel, I love it!
Just discovered you and now subbed
Would love to see Zyglrox or Froggin Bullfish explained!!
Thanks a lot man !
The 3v4v5 makes me think of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Do you like them? I've successfully figured out the rhythms to some of their songs like The Donkey-Headed Adversary of Humanity, Phthisis, Bring Back the Apocalypse... but there's one I could never quite figure out: the last stretch The Widening Eye. And if you like that one maybe try the middle bit of 1997 too. They're really into metric modulation.
Will check it out !
Freaking awesome!
Freaking awesome indeed.
bro 500 likes only this is pure gold
The one dislike must be because they wanted the video to be longer. Seriously amazing content.
Thanks man !
Misha sent me! cool vid dude
wooah great work man, keep on uploading
You should do the last part of insomnia by periphery
you're great! cheers man :D
I'm very lucky i'm not in charge of making these videos.. יא גבר תודה
חחחחחחחחח מה למה
@@YogevGabay
זה היה בוייב של איזה גבר שיש מי שדואג לכאלו סרטונים , כי אם אני הייתי צריך זה היה לוקח לי שבועות לכל סרטון :)
חחחחחח איזה מלך איזה כיף שאתה נהנה מזה!
I get so excited whenever I see you've released a new video, great work as always!
By the way, do you have any tips on how to practice playing polyrhythms?
Also, you did superbly on David Bruce's "classical metal" project!
Oh man thanks a lot!
That video of his was so fun to do.
About practicing polyrhythms, it's quite simple. You need to get as much "listen time" as you can.
All these polyrhythms are not something you need to practice on your instrument. You need to practice you listening and your observation skills first.
So my advice? Just listen to AS MUCH MUSIC AS YOU CAN. Obviously if you want to dive into polyrhythms, listen to as many of those as you can and start recognizing the patterns.
It's not as hard as it seems, it's just a different way of getting better so it seems unreachable.
Does that make sense?
@@YogevGabay I already do listen a lot to rhythmically complex music, Tigran Hamasyan being my favorite artist by far for the past four years, as well as being my biggest inspiration when composing music.
This series has however helped a lot with not only understanding complex rhythms, but it's also the songs you choose to analyse that paints a bigger picture rather than sticking to only one genre. It's brilliant!
What you're saying makes sense, though I think I already have the experience. I think I mostly need to practice hand independence.
Thanks for answering!
From clipping's Story 2 to Periphery's The Walk. What's this? My smartphone playlist!?
Muhahaha I'm following you beware
thank you so much \m/ awesome work \m/
PS: also, great work at "5 Classical Composers write for HEAVY METAL BAND"
Thanks a lot!
Can you do a video on make total destroy (intro riff) I am so lost there
אתה מצוין ! תן לנו עוד פריפריה ! מבטיח לצפות בהכל
some suggestions:
- Addict by Destiny Potato ( 3m28s ) took me about 3 months to learn on drums, i still get lost sometimes... super sick!
- Woke Up Today by Jacob Collier ( 1m05s ) still can't figure out how to jam to this part, it's an enigma...
- Awmane by Hostin x Steele ( 2m05s ) pretty interesting part but maybe i'm not thinking hard enough about it
- New Millenium Cyanide Christ by Meshuggah ( 2m28s ) maybe?
Oh boy you are gold.
I love the suggestions, and will listen to all of them!
Except for the Meshuggah one. That one I know in my sleep hahahah
I'm gonna do more meshuggah songs in this channel no doubt about it!
great to hear!! lookin forward to the meshuggah >:)
So sad that the Instrumental album is almost impossible to find...
You mean in physical format?
@@unodwicho Physical and digital. I was able to find a torrent of the instrumental, but I had to dig deep.
Suggestion: Sun Ship pt. 1 by Phillipp Groppers Philm
Will check out!
Super work on a complex song. Question for you: how long does it take you to recognize something like the two “guest” time signatures? Can you immediately hear them, or do you have to puzzle them out? I don’t think I’d have arrived at the 6/16 (3/8) even after significant effort.
So it's a 2 part answer.
It isn't easy. Finding these things, especially if they are well hidden can be difficult.
BUT! The more I've been listening to these kinds of music, and analyzing them in my head, the more you get used to hearing and spotting these patterns easily.
As of now, it's pretty easy for me to detect that a pattern exists, and I have enough tools to figure most songs out.
Sure there are a bunch of songs that will take me longer, but I'm quite positive I have the right tools to tackle them with a positive chance of success.
Does that make sense?
Bottom line, your ears are the key. The more you practice listening and analyzing, the easier it gets.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks, Yogev.
Wouldn’t you call that last bar of the 16 a bar of 6/4 where the guitar plays a sort of fill?
THere are 2 quarter notes added yes, you can call it 6/4 !
The master of all of this is Astor Piazzolla
OHH any specific song?
@@YogevGabay LIBERTANGO
First!
Periphery is LGBT friendly Meshuggah
Why periphery? Tesseract does it better.
Hey you. It's been 3 years, are you sane yet?
I always knew this song was disgusting now I know it’s even worse(better?) than I knew before
When the quarter notes of hihat you described come in. It's actually a china