Watame's Worried Her New PC Specs Weren't Good Enough and Asked Botan To Check【Hololive】
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Botan with the actual good advice: you can always wait for something new to come out, but you should just buy it now if you want/need it now.
In Botan we trust for tech advice.
In the tech world there’s always something better around the corner. If u want something or need it just buy it within your means.
She didn't need to mention something new coming out in October tho. The only thing coming in October is Intel 14th gen CPUs but it's just a Raptor Lake refresh. Especially the top end 14900k is just a rebadged 13900k, not worth waiting.
@@101way6 Yeah thats what Botan meant, if Watame waited she could make her pc top of the line, but which tech being freekin powerful now, if you want a new pc or upgrade now, theres no need to have to wait.
Kind of the dilemma of PC hardware; you can always wait for something new to come out, but you can get paralyzed with this kind of thinking and end up waiting too long to upgrade, and eventually wait long enough and you'll find something that forces the upgrade when you're ill prepared to do it and forced to make compromises.
"But when regarding PCs you should buy it when you want to". Wise words to live by
NO it's not. It's always wise to wait for every second generation if you want to upgrade that being 10/30/50 regardless of the budget. Every other generation is usually cash grab with very little improvement.
Although 5000 launch might be delayed a little.
There are good and bad times on the smaller scale. Is a new generation of tech about to come out in the next few months? If so, hang on a little, prices for current gen should drop a bit. Is a new CPU socket about to come out? Might be best to wait and pick that up for a bit of futureproofing.
But yeah, at most times it's just a case of "do I need a new PC?" and if the answer is yes, just do it.
@@fzcxcxzzxcxz7236 i dont think the 50 series is gonna be that huge of a performance jump when it comes out though
@@AAA-xe3wj I bet it will be better than 15% that 40 series offer for the same price(other than 4090 but 3090 was pretty dumb)
@@fzcxcxzzxcxz7236 I think they are referring to if they should buy the current gen stuff now and make use of it or stay on their older hardware and get the new better stuff. I agree that upgrading every generation is poor value. But at some point you do need to pull the trigger and get what you want. Holding out for the newer better one. Waiting for next gen is never a sure thing. And that time waiting is time you could have spent enjoying your new system instead.
"Intel not inside"
That made me laugh a lot
Also kinda a mistake since intel is better with streaming
@@kaljamaistuuperjantaisin you call getting a R9 7950X a mistake
also 14th gen intels werent out at the time she bought it
@@ravenwolf6774 Dont worry , theres a lot of ppls that dont understand how having amd can be better depending on what you are doing
As a anime fan that does encode all day , but that have to stay on low watt cost and need his room temps to be acceptable , i just cant go on intel , i wouldnt be able to cool it effectively even with a 500$ cooler
This one cpu is the best for encoding , however theres better for gaming
Intel is great for raw power , stabillity and (for me at least) their ability to manage many ssd , right now mine amd have 6 sata ports and 2 m2 one , but i have to choose btw the last m2 port and 2 sata , i can plug an extention card but that mean less cooling for my gpu and it will look ugly anyway
So im not stuck at this part where amd computers are better to encode animes while intel one are better to store them lol
Watame, worried her machine isn't good enough...
Watame's PC: LITERALLY the best hardware in existence...
There's always a ton of ridiculously expensive and powerful cpus out there that no one buys, but yeah, best gaming GPU on market. Having a gen 4 m.2 SSD will be important as well.
@@gamechannel1271it's not that serious PC normie 💀
@@redclaw72666spending at least 4 bands on a pc is pretty serious
Botan sharing secret insider info to Watame
And Watame cluelessly sharing that to everyone in the stream
Did any CPU/GPU even come out in October 2023?
@@HumanGamerprobably the X3D stuff
@@HumanGamer Not from nvidia. Matter of fact they cut back on commercial GPUs as sales had slowed so they could make more enterprise level chips
Watame: I don't know if it's good enough.
*Lists literally the best top end stuff you can get*
Yeah I was like, bish what on earth kinda ultra graphics, just released, horribly optimized game do you want to play for there to be any question about that monster PCs ability to run it?! Also I don't know if it just wasn't shown in the clip but I'm shocked by how calmly the chat reacted to those specs, my jaw was on the bloody floor when she started listing them.
@@matejkovacic9310 Everyone dropped their keyboards.
@@matejkovacic9310Perhaps Starfield?
I mean, vr chat can bring your 4090 kinda on the limit sometimes.
@@Snowy-hj6vi Vrc is okay-ish optimized in itself specially on desktop, the flows mainly show in VR with the main issue being people's avatars 😥
Throw back to the time she upgraded to RTX 20 series when the 30 series released after 2 weeks
I remember well. Feels good to meet people who were fans of Watame even back then. :)
i think with how watame choice of game, what she needs is dual monitor and higher ram than simply better gpu that she wont utilize much anyway
@@busetgadapet Still good to have it in reserve. She could try VR someday, for example.
@@busetgadapet64GB ram is more than enough
@@101way6for a streaming vtuber? Maybe not
"Business expense"
It really is though. The PC is crucial for her job.
3D model for sure.
niji would never pay for this, lmao
@@chloekaftanfr 😂😂😂
It does count as a business expense though, at least in Canada
@@chloekaftan they can't even pay for your debut, asking for a pc from them is to much...
"Intel not inside" - Watame
Botan the PC pro🦁
Passmark score is 23213 for the i9 10900K. The 7950X is 63514. That's quite a huge upgrade!
well, it is like 3 years old cpu
@@busetgadapet iya, tapi 10900k masih lebih bagus daripada prosesor orang kebanyakan T_T aku aja baru *upgrade* ke Ryzen 3600 yang skornya cuma 17700.
For gaming single core is what mostly matters, but for screaming the 7950X should be able to do 4K60 xD
That's increasingly untrue with newer and newer games.
@@Felix-ve9hst
Holomembers worried with their monster PCs while I'm here chilling in 940m~
Cries at GTX 760
@@BurningFlame08 Cries in GTX 1050 Ti 😭😭
930MX here...
Integrated GPU here 💀
I'm fine for now with my R7 250, I'm upgrading everything else first.
As to compare to our oshis: remember, y'all don't stream.
Botan tech tips
Cutest sheep has a monster PC 😮
Holomem… “I need to buy a new PC.”
Chat… “Call Botan.”
Cute Lioness… “Yes.” 😂
Fun fact: 0:54 She said "Intel haittenai", which is a reference to Intel Japan's catchphrase, "Intel haitteru (Intel in it)"
later it was translated into English and used worldwide as "Intel inside"
Intel nakadashi
@@mazditzo You went there. You actually went there.
@@mazditzo bro... 😭
@@mazditzoBe careful with that thermal paste bro.
I am Japanese, but I thought that 'Intel Inside' came first and was translated into 'Intel haitteru'. I learnt that it was the other way round. Thank you.
bro idk watching Watame is so relaxing to my brain it's like ASMR, I guess it's the definition of moe
This is like upgrading from a Lamborghini to a Koenigsegg, meanwhile I'm here with my Honda.
watame voice so soothing
anyways good beef pc for best sheep
Beef PC for mutton chop.
One of the essential things you need for streaming is a PC that is powerful enough to run games in high quality, whilst being able to run other programs simultaneously and a strong internet connection for streaming purposes.
Which is why most (big/top)streamers have a beefed up PC to play games on, and a separate one to handle the actual streaming.
Funny thing is Watame never plays any graphic intensive games lol
Word. It's not just a tool for fun like for us, for them it's a work asset and needs to be as good as financially possible.
@@venkaramon
Still good to have, though; don't dis a sportscar owner just because he drives at the speed limit 😉
@@DinnerForkTongue Are you able to explain why it's "good to have"?
4090 is quiet expensive compare to it's performance, however, it's still the strongest graphic card now, her system will be dominate all games many years later
Actually it's the only one worth its salt in the RTX 40XX family, despite being in a very niche market of super high end graphics cards. This generation of nVidia GPUs is both terribly priced and not enough of an upgrade compared to the previous one (not mentioning VRAM starved). People who have just "good enough" hardware are waiting for the next 50xx gen, and those who rreally need an upgrade are considering the 30xx series which is still a competitive offer compared to 40xx series, once price to performance is factored in.
4090 is a niche pick imo. I only bought one for vr stuff but if I wasn’t into it would probably pick up a gpu around 500-700 usd. Definitely an overkill gpu for a lot of people
@@Astelch For a lot of people, but with Watame's work requirements, it's a justified investment.
4090 or 7900 xtx, definitely worth for them
It's not expensive compared to its performance. It's significantly faster than anything else on the market. It's the other GPUs in the 4000 family that are expensive compared to performance while also being VRAM starved.
Watame should consider either going Radeon for the GPU or wait for the RTX 5000 series with the fixed 12VH connector because we wouldn't want our fluffy sheep to stream one day and wonder why there's smoke coming out of her case.
Newer cards are shipping with an updated 12VH connector. If her SI is at all decent they will have that worked out one way or the other.
Watame wa ~~~ warukunai yo me?
Sometimes I just get excited learning Japanglish shortcuts for English words from the Holomems. Gra-bo is such a cute way to say Graphics board(card)
Grabo is legit a good nickname too, rolls off the tongue easily. Surprised it wasn't an Indo vtuber that came up with it, they _love_ their portmanteaus.
Japanese speakers love for two syllable nicknames is similar to English speakers love for acronyms.
I think the most well known example is "pokemon".
Well we use MoBo too
@@WD_Batora Pokemon is not two syllables, neither is gura-bo
@@101way6two syllables as in the first 2 syllables of 2 words
Pocket Monsters= Pokemon
Graphics Board= Grabo
And yea the 2 syllables rule isn't exactly set in stone but still the general rule it's the same reason why shows get shortened like
KanojoOkaroshimasu(Rent-A-Girlfriend) = KanoKari
Konosubarashiiwo...(I dont know the rest but it's a long ass title) = Konosuba
Bruh her GPU actually cost more than my current setup lmao
Her ram costs more than mine
@@edbane1656bro how
@@edbane1656 mf are you playing on a fucking 150$ pc?
Personally my suggestion is to wait and upgrade early when next gen hardware is available, especially since Watame current PC is decent enough that I don't think she should worry about it. I would only suggest for people, especially Vtubers, to upgrade their GPU if they are still on anything lower than RTX 20 series or RX 6000 series AND have 8GB or less VRAM. So basically if they use 8GB, instead of waiting, they probably should upgrade since from what I see more games are using like close to 8GB VRAM (well, not exactly game only, but with Windows too ofc) even at low setting. Add Live2D app and OBS always running in the background, unless they are using 2 PC configuration, then they probably would benefit from upgrading to at least 12GB GPU, preferably 16GB or higher. Recommending AMD for GPU probably would be difficult even if they have a great price to performance, so for Nvidia option, my suggestion would be 4070 Ti Super. Only buy GPU higher than that if you don't mind spending more. Using a GPU faster than 4070 series is just a bonus. If you're on a tight budget but still want Nvidia, then 4060 Ti 16GB can be a good option if you can buy it at close to $400. Oh, and in case of Watame, please don't buy 4060 Ti since its performance is too close to her current 2080 Ti (for non ray tracing ofc) thus not really feeling the upgrade. Also even if price doesn't matter, it is better to not buy 4090 since currently the price for it is inflated due to high demand for AI, same for 4080. It would only help them normalize the pricing at these inflated prices.
As for CPU, while yes, the newer CPU will improve performance by a lot, 10900K is good enough. It will bottleneck those expensive GPU, but personally I think the hassle of changing your whole system is probably not worth it unless you're actually chasing performance. Having said that, between buying Intel and AMD, at least right now, it is better to go with AMD mainly because of platform longevity, If you buy Intel 14th gen, if in 3 years you want to upgrade, you'll end up upgrading the whole thing (mainboard + CPU) while with AMD, if you buy 7000 CPU, it is likely that in 3 years you can simply upgrade the CPU.
Honestly, only moment you should wait is either during crazy times like the crypto-miner GPU famine, or if the new thing like a month away and you can wait a bit.
Otherwise, if you are on a budget you won't be getting top of the line things, so it doesn't matter anyway.
she really is Lion tech tips
Wow that "intel not inside" is such a deep cut joke haha
When in doubt, ask La-lion Tech Tips.
I actually got a new PC just today and her "old" specs are better than my new ones LOL This sheep gonna be doin some serious GAMING!!
Honestly any streamers setup is overkill for the normal person, if you aren't planning on playing on 4k as well, then you can make a pretty cheap high end pc.
True😂😂😂 her new pc 4x better than my new pc😂
@@etzrah doing it cheap is one thing but future-proofing it would be another.
gonna wait for october then, she's an insider
Went from 2080ti to 4090 holy upgrade.
After 10 years of using very low end pc (Acer Aspire with pentium G620/ another pc with Ryzen 3 3200g - both without dedicated graphic cards)
I upgraded to 12600K + 3080
I'm buying and putting together a modest-range PC after being stuck with an R7 250 grabo, an FX6100 3-core CPU, 16 gigs of DDR3 RAM with a frequency I don't even know, and a big old magnetic HDD with a 250GB SSD to run Windows off of. It's costing me a lot but the satisfaction will be worth the cost.
Dam that must have felt like time traveling to the future
@@DinnerForkTongue my build is below 2k usd fyi, you definitely need to upgrade the RAM to ddr4 at least, I've used my friend's laptop with that same RAM specs so I know
@@johnson22112
> 2K USD
Bro, I don't make even US$12,000 a year and in my country, PC parts are taxed through the nose. That ain't attainable to me without serious pre-planning. Gimme some time to get there, aight? 🤣
But yea, I'm updating to 32GB DDR4 RAM. Planning to double that once I recover financially and get a new GPU.
Lol I used a dualcore for 15 years until 2 years ago, and even then it was to a APU quadcore (2400G) because of the crypto famine.
Only last year I bought a 3070, and I still have to get a better CPU.
Hundreds times better than mine.
Mine was that knock-off, 20% sale from 2006.
Almost 20 years old already.
I might get a job later, but PC is still not in the priorities, should paid debt and get my brother in college first.
See how Hololive PC tech for thier liver are pretty much hit high end Consumer PC class while their rigging and studio for their holofes or other special event for their liver you can say they have industrial level.
Botan PC is to Overpower.
if Watame want to test her PC wait until Moona autosort completed in Minecraft only if she completed it though. 😆
Testing Mojang servers lmao
The 'Don't know anything about PC and bought the latest card' gang members.
To be fair, might as well. They game for a living and going from 20 series to 4090 means she won’t need to upgrade her GPU until it dies in 10 years lmao. Who knows if ANY vTubers will even still be around in a decade?
@@Paradox-es3bl Kizuna AI started in late 2016 and there are streamers that have been active for over 10+ years. Even TwitchPlaysPokemon is still a thing. At least one Vtuber or something similar will still be around in a decade.
Fluffy Sheep with -Beef- Mutton PC
Yes Watame has all the reasons to be worried, afterall one must get a good high-end GPU to play graphic demanding game like Minecraft
I like how everyone in Hololive use Minecraft to figure out their hardware specs lol
and i'm here happy with my 1660 super
Ngl, she has a pretty darn decent rig as it is. I mean 10900k+2080ti is a mighty fine combo even now. But if she feels like an upgrade is needed for the job then yeah, can't go wrong with 4090 beast of a GPU. Well, it will probably be better to just build a completely new rig altogether, since it is DDR5, new mobo, need new PSU for 4090+7950x and a good cooling solution, new case too obviously since 4090 is a gargantuan piece of hw.
Watame casually dropping 500,000 yen on a PC and being like, "I hope this is good enough" lol. So precious.
very very very beef PC
bruh it cannot get much better than that
It’s just funny to see noobs not know what they actually have it’s hilarious 🤣
As a person who built his PC around the same time as Botan... I too was put to shame (but honestly idgaf, a 4080 and Intel 14700k (I waited for the 14th gen to come out before making the purchase) is more than I will ever need!
At least I have more RAM! >:) DDR5 4x 32gb 7200 OC *sheeeesh* (unfortunately the RAM is not overkill, I do simulation work... When my Sims kick on to max, and I give it all the RAM it can handle, I see frequent usage of over 50 GB, and averages of depending on complexity of sim, from 28-46 GB... This is just for the sim, I still need RAM to run the OS and system xD)
With a cpu 7950, a gpu 4090 AND 64 ddr5 of ram watame can digivolve into a supa sheep wataemon
It's hard to really know what the use case is, but a 7800x3d might have been better. I know she streams, but the 4090 has dual AV1 encoder already so she doesn't need a 16 core for that. Does she do long video renders all the time or something? Could be a lot of background tasks too, but very few of those are heavy enough to matter. Browsers, discord, recording software, etc should all be able to run find on an 8 core. I just think the 8 core x3d might have been better for gaming. 7950x3ds are expensive and fussy, so those aren't a good option. 7900x (what I run) is good and cheap without being overkill, but then again I assume she is pretty wealthy so she should just buy whatever she wants.
"I don't know if it's good enough."
RYZEN 9, RTX 4070, AND 32 GB RAM, THAT IS WIWLD
Somewhere Cecilia’s eye twitch.
That's quite a monster of rig there, wakipai-senpai.
Then October come, but there's no new RTX 50 series.
Botan truly saved Watame there
management definitely needs them to get streaming pc's set up. For 480p with a 78% utilization on a 2080ti and still only getting 100+ fps at 480p?
I mean it makes sense, streaming, running a game all with their models running is definitely straining their systems.
Bro, I love how she’s not sure if this is enough, yet this is the highest thing you can get on the market right now like there’s nothing better 😂
You can still connect more graphic cards into one CPU if it survive XDD.
@@jankrnac3535 well true but normally 🤣
Yes, of course.
Hololive members with their OP PC specs.
must feel good to be rich
@@Greippi10
Not when it's a work asset.
TBH for a while many had pretty old ones, you can probably find some charts floating around.
Perfect for Minecraft with vanilla graphics.
She has the best gaming PC money can buy and worried its not good enough 😂
Watame out here calling us all broke af
Im aiming for a similar build myself, so this will be interesting to see
Watame don't need a heater in winter anymore 😂
Botan Tech Tips
Weren't Good Enough!! if that not enough than my pc is potato...
Idk what I should call this, is it "BEEF PC" or "GOAT PC" since watame is not a cow lol
Mutton PC
Dang the power draw of this computer in a small japanese apartment
Japanese apartments usually got no heater, so the PC will do with the 620W TDP alone from CPU and GPU ahahahah
Only reason I went with a 4080 was that I didn’t want to get a new PSU, since 700W won’t run a 4090 setup.
That's not a Beef PC, that's a whole Jingisukan PC.
Genghis Khan (jingisukan) PC
and 5000 series might not come even next year.
" according to HardwareLUXX, a leaked roadmap of Nvidia’s architecture might bring the next-gen option later. The updated timeline would put “Ada Lovelace-Next” which is believed to be Blackwell in 2025 rather than 2024." AUG 1, 2023
rumors suggest that the RTX 50 series will introduce GDDR7 VRAM, which would improve greatly on GDDR6.
ive seen how big a 4090 is... I wonder how hot it gets lmao
Oh shiet, the second 4090 i have hear in hololive
854x480 - what. One pixel per block displayed or what?! :D
She probably made her window super small or something lol
The 4090 should be enough to last her 10+ years. Holy shit.
Awwww. It won't have that Intel inside sticker anymore....
man, I would kill just to have the current specs of her pc
Lol, this PC did not need upgrade. Well I guess this is how rich people live.
No matter how high-performance a personal computer is installed at Hololive, its lifespan is about three to four years because it is too harsh to use.
How does one end up with a f*ing 4090 without knowing anything about it? That's just impressive at this point lol
as we filipino say when we hear something like this "sana all" 🤣🤣🤣
those are some nice specs. botan the expert coming to help!
Bro power on the RTX On
Botan tech support
ok so Botan has and had a better PC than my current and previous ones.
Always Trust Lioness tech tips
While a lot of it is overkill and a bit of an unnecessary heat generator, what always annoys me with these is that there's never a proper list if parts. This time we even got RAM amount, but not speed, and every time PSU and MOBO get forgotten.
Most JP Vtubers just buy pre-builts, so we are lucky she even knows the names of CPU and GPU at all. In general, buying pre-builts is a far bigger market in JP than picking your parts.
If anything we are lucky they have an actual PC geek among them in Botan.
She has the best person in all of Hololive to help her with this build and I’m pretty sure Botan is more knowledgeable than most of us and has considered all these things. So no need to be annoyed she’s in good hands.
@@tumamaencosplay*most streamer buy prebuilt pc.
Watame's pc definitely won't handle Minecraft
Wait... Botan says if we wait until October?
Does she have insider information?
Is Botan Lisa Su?!
gotta love the fact her pc is bottlenecking the Cpu and the GPU can't handle the cpu lmao it's not fully utilizing the cpu because of the 2080ti. While 4090 is good i have more concern on 40 series card since they have a chance on catching fire.
LTT
LaLion Tech Tips
I would suggest wqiting another 5-7 years before upgrading. You have a good PC, you don't need anything better than it atm
I play Anno 1800 with my 1050ti
Anyone notice she was playing at 480p resolution on a 2080ti...what?
Why was her display resolution so low? 2:10 her display is 854x480. I'm sure even with her set-up she could get a better resolution than that.
Not Potato PC, not Beef PC, but _Jingisukan_ PC.
in-game res 854x480 💀
with a 78% utilization aswell. Management should get them set up with streaming pc's they're streaming, playing a game, and have their models moving and whatnot all on one system. If they got streaming pc's set up they'd be able to play in full 1080p and higher with no frame drops whatsoever.
But... that's NASA computer.
64 gigs of memory is she going to run a server or what :D
Ram is cheap , why not?
More memory helps if you're encoding video, such as when streaming. Especially if you're simultaneously playing a heavy game. 64GB might still be overkill for Watame's use-case, but the extra memory upgrade is such a marginal cost increase on what is a very expensive computer, so might as well go for it.
4090.... End spec!!!!
Lol “I have the best specs. Are they good enough?” No. It’s never enough 😂
meybe it can handle average games but atleast you need 4090 ti
I guess the red team won on this one