Totally agree about the production value of LT. It was beautifully shot. Everything was top notch. I loved the OST. I love Coldin's songs, and the one featured in LT did not disappoint. When I heard that LT was being produced by the same folks who did Semantic Error, I was VERY excited. SE is my favorite KBL of all time. Like you, I found the execution to not be as good as I'd hoped. I do think that a longer series, either longer episodes or more episodes, would have helped. I disagree that removing the ex-boyfriend would have helped. I think the story needed that layer to make it feel complete, but it deserved more time to play out on screen. The actor who played Ye Chan was so good. He was able to portray eagerness and vulnerability and the angst of falling in love for the first time in a sweetly believable way. The actor playing Yul was also good. The chemistry they developed didn't quite set the screen on fire, but it was sweet. Good enough. Overall, I think it was one of the better KBLs so far this year. Not nearly as good as Semantic Error, but better than some of the other clunkers that plopped down onto my screen. I'll give it a 7/10. Above average. Good but not great.
Yeah like you I think that something a bit longer would have helped the drama. It's not always the case, some dramas need to be cut down most of the time. But here the contrary would have worked best. Ye Chan was a little gem to me. Loved his acting. His character alowed the actor to showcase his acting which is great for him. Because as much as Yul's acting was nice too, he felt a bit bland. But that's because of his character^^
Not surprised by your review 😅 Love Tractor was a disappointment even though I didn’t go into it with any high expectations because I don’t know anything about the manga. Initially I was hopeful because it is the same studio as Semantic Error but when they released the names of different a director and writer team that’s when I started to curb my enthusiasm. I couldn’t finish it. When a series fails it is rarely ever the actors; but it is always the case that the writer that has been hired by a director who also is not up to scratch chooses to let a series ago to air even though it was well below the high water mark of the studio’s last production. Again the issue of the run time is not credible when you look back at some of the most outstanding and memorable BL adaptations and series such as HIStory3:Trapped which had episodes that were less than 15 minutes; Addicted that had 3 whole eps cut but is still undefeated and a fan fave for rewatches nearly a decade later; and Gameboys whose first episode was around 10 minutes but was the critical hit of the pandemic. There are many like these but from the pre covid era before they chased out the best writers from BL productions esp in Thailand and the Philippines. Conversely you have BL incl from Korea now that are around one hour that are still a critical and market failure (Only Friends, Dangerous Romance). The Director and the Writer that he hires are both aware of the time that they have to write the story in, so if they fail to write it for the time they themselves allowed and are paid for, it cannot be because of the time but rather it is because of their own incompetence. Agree with P’John about Hidden Agenda which by the way is very popular within Thailand but it’s really a fan service series for the Ship’s very prominent domestic fandom there. Superstar suffers from the same problem of all cinematographic style and no substance because the Director understands neither BL not romance and neither his writing, nor his lack of humility about his writing skills, seem to be getting better. See also his Bite Me The Series. Step By Step and I Feel You Linger in the air all have directors who suffer from this affliction. Lynn also recommended me Bon Appetit and so far I am enjoying it but I’m only on episode three. The assassin romance costumed drama I’m completely obsessed with right now is a Chinese drama called My Journey To You which is beautiful and exquisite in every way including and especially the writing. It’s on YT and iQIYI
When Lynn and I discussed Superstar, I not only laid most of the blame on the writer-director but I explicitly cited his earlier work in Bite Me as an indi action of repeating mistakes. I'd have to check, but don't Step by Step and Linger share the same director?
@@johnmaster3748 Yes Bite Me was one of the most egregious wastes of good actors with extremely good chemistry for want of a half decent script. The Director David has clearly not taken the lessons of 2021 as we can see in 2023. I mention Step and Linger because they also come from one studio - DeeHup House, they started off with Lovely Writer, and they all fell down on the writing. I mean just collapsed after three maybe four episodes the same exact cracks started to appear halfway. The script was not making sense on stupid things but also in the pacing and politics. Sadly, despite having probably the best actors that they’ve had in their series so far I Feel You Linger - I feel is also going in the same direction, sorry to say
Only Friends and Dangerous Romance don't work? I was very excited about it when they made the announcement :D Appart from that I watching so little dramas recently that I feel like I'm falling behind ;A; So many dramas that you guys mention that I haven't seen yet and don't even necessarily feel like seeing anyways. I'll give a check to My Journey To You because that sounds like it could interest me :D Chinese dramas tend to be super long though so I don't know about that, not sure I'd have the motivation x)
@@dramawhale03 If it’s good what does it matter if it’s long 😃. MJTY is exceptional and the romance is also superb. Funny too and best Cdrama I’ve seen in a few years I’m still scratching my head about only friends which struggles to get a few hundred thousand views on airing night compared with something like unforgotten night which without big-name actors/CPs, and was from a tiny studio, still cleared a minimum of 1.5 million on airing night for an average of 3 million and even got into 5 million for some parts, while only friends does not have a 5 million view count on any video so far. Even their reaction videos underperform given the amount of resources poured into this one. I need not comment on the writing or the politics which I’ll leave to your imagination 😅. BR I was really rooting for my boy Perth in a main role since his first game-changing BL hit, Love By Chance, and was terribly disappointed in what GMM gave us. Oh well 🥲
@@dramawhale03 you are partial to series with a strong romantic storyline. Only Friends is not that, does not aspire to be that. So, it may be out of your happy zone, so to speak. I usually have a strong sense after 8 eps whether a series works for me or does not. With a month of episodes left, I honestly cannot tell you whether Only Friends is messy-good or messy-poor. It may be the most lakorn-adjacent BL series gmmtv has ever put forth, what with the melodrama between characters. It could rise or fall in my estimation over the next month. But I don't have confidence in the track record of Thai screenwriters when it comes to construction of a viable endgame to complex stories. They tend to fall back on formula, tropes, and safe choices. So I offer no sweeping conclusions about Only Friends. As for Dangerous Romance, which also has a month of episodes left, I will binge the whole thing in late October. So, no opinion yet.
As the calendar turns from September to October, we hit the last quarter of 2023! Here are some statistics of interest only to me. Well, also i offer them to counter some of the judgment against this series. Love Tractor is not perfect, but it created one of the more stronger emotional resonances of the year. For me, it was sneaky good. But, no, not on the level of a Semantic Error. Number of MDL entries this year to date: 45*. That's not all BL, of course, but predominantly. (*--Figure includes K-BL Bon Appétit which released all eight episodes Thursday and which I will finish binging [and therefore assign a rating to] before October starts. Figure also includes a handful of series that ENDED in 2023 and will feature in my 2023 rankings.) Rating given to Love Tractor: 8.5 (tied for sixth in 2023 to date) Percentile for 2023: top 15% of series this year [6-8 out of 45-ish) Other 2023 series given an 8.5: Love Class Season 2, Our Dating Sim Why only Korean series ranked 8.5?: just a coincidence! Lowest ranked series of this year (that I watched): Be Mine Superstar [5.0] Next lowest series: Hidden Agenda [6.0, so substantial gap between the bottom two] Five series from 2023 I rated higher: (10)Moonlight Chicken (9.5) _none yet_ (9.0) My School President, I Will Knock You, The Eighth Sense, Utsukushii Kare S2. Conclusion, Small Picture: Love Tractor is a contender for a Top Ten finish in 2023. Also, 2023 has had a dearth of high quality series! Total entries in MdL list: 439. Number of entries ranked higher than 8.5 (higher than the group that includes Love Tractor): 52 (11% of all) Number of entries in the 8.5 tier: 46 (10% of all) Number of entries 8.0 and lower: 340 (77% of all) Conclusion, Big Picture: Love Tractor resides in the top 20% of series, movies, and specials in my MDL list. All-Time. Also, I am stingy assigning scores 8.5 and higher [one series in five]. Rating given to Semantic Error (2022): 9.5 [relevant because Drama Whale invoked it as a baseline] Number of series on the 9.5 and 10.0 tiers: 21 out of 439 or 5%. Conclusion, comparative: My ratings must perceive a big gap in quality between 9.5 and 9.0. Expecting any series to live up to the elite standard of Semantic Error is unfair. We should regard these elite series as aberrations. Happy to have them when they show up, but let us not fault lesser series for missing their mark. The benchmark should be series in the 9.0 and 8.5 tiers. In that regard, I would say Love Tractor delivers! Let us fault the series that can't be this good! And just rejoice when they are better!
Oh, that's not good motivation for Be Mine Superstar and Hidden Agenda >< Also I watched 425 dramas, we have a similar number, it's crazy x) I understand what you mean, and it's true that it's not fair. I think I just couldn't help myself because I was really hyped by the announcement. But at the end of day I still think it's a solid drama in itself, as I rated it 8.5 as well^^
@@dramawhale03 yeah, I thought of this explanation just now, and if it had occurred to me earlier I could have saved a lot of time writing...a LOT of time. Lol On my scale, series at 8.5 and 9.0 are excellent series.This is where everything should aspire to hit! Meanwhile 9.5 and 10.0 are my version of the "God tier." Series so good, we you can't really aim for it because so much must come together at once. Great when it happens, but not fair to expect it. Example: Until We Meet Again was God tier! Expecting Between Us, with all the same characters and actors, to hit that benchmark was never fair! And I think many people dismissed it because it didn't match the enjoyment created by UWMA. Same for the Cherry Magic movie. And it's why I worry for the forthcoming Cherry Magic Thailand. The standard for that may be impossibly high.
I'm surprised that you ranked I Will Knock You so high. While Tar was a revelation as a young actor, his counterpart...wasn't. I thought it dragged too much to deserve a 9, but that's just my opinion. I wholeheartedly agree with your 10 for Moonlight Chicken. It's amazing.
@@j_scott IWKY debuts on Viki soon. I plan to give it a re-watch. (Legitimate at last!) We shall see if my initial reaction was too enthusiastic. That is a possibility. I liked the humor in the series, the costuming, and the hairstyling. I never really notice the last two! And i tend to overvalue humor when it tickles me. So, it's possible I overlooked deficiencies in story because i was busy being charmed. Those qualities will not take me by surprise on a second watch, so the series will have to stand on its story merits. As for Tar, i expect a second watch may impress me even more. He was really, really good.
The problem of K-BLs trying to stuff more story into their limited runtime is so ubiquitous that I almost don't even hold it against them anymore. It's like a default fault of the type. The question, rather, is how many loose ends they left dangling and how well they navigated their stunted format to tell a story. In that sense, I felt as if Love Tractor did better than most K-BLs. Yes, there was too much story for eight short episodes. But...much less egregious than others.
As a corollary to this claim, I'd argue we maybe don't give enough credit to the writers of hour-long, 12 episode Thai and Taiwanese series who manage to sustain our interest across so many hoursof television. Too often, we criticize non-Korean series for having too many filler episodes and plot turns (see, Hidden Agenda, most recently. Or don't see it. It's a 12 episode series that has six episodes of plot.) So, when the longer series get it right, it's really quite an accomplishment. I'd also note that Japanese series often have running times comparable to the K-Bls, but those series seldom feel incomplete like the K-Bls can. So, kudos also to those writers.
@@johnmaster3748 What you say is very true and I actually never really thought of it this way in terms of how many lose ends they are able to tie. But it makes total sense and I feel a bit ashamed that I didn't think of it myself really. And what you say about non K-bls is true as well. I think that after watching so many dramas it's easier to point out at what is "wrong" with one. It's easy to criticize and forget a bit some of the good sides. Also, you're really not promoting Hidden Agenda at all xD I don't feel like watching it now.
@@dramawhale03 if I can spare you from wasted time, I am happy to do so. But feel free to seek out other opinions about Hidden Agenda. I won't further outline its deficiencies here. Perhaps others' praise will carry more weight than my damnations. There exists people who liked it. I will say this: I don't blame the actors for this one. With respect to Be Mine Superstar, the list of faults is much longer, sharper, and includes the actors.
@@dramawhale03 "it's easier to point out what is 'wrong'." So, true. Earlier tonight, Lynn Z. and I were exchanging back-and-forth emails about Bon Appétit. Since all eight episodes dropped at one time,, each of us was binging the whole series at once. My comments have been nearly all complaints! Accompanied by the disclaimer that I like the series. [4 of 8 watched so far!] So, easier to point out what does not work than what does!
@@johnmaster3748 Good point about not giving Thai and Taiwanese series credit for holding our interest. Kiseki and I Feel You Linger in the Air have me waiting with bated breath for the next episode to drop. Hidden Agenda was essentially Star in My Sky 2 set in a debate club. For me, it's down there with Enchante as a series that ran at least 4 episodes too long.
Totally agree about the production value of LT. It was beautifully shot. Everything was top notch. I loved the OST. I love Coldin's songs, and the one featured in LT did not disappoint.
When I heard that LT was being produced by the same folks who did Semantic Error, I was VERY excited. SE is my favorite KBL of all time. Like you, I found the execution to not be as good as I'd hoped. I do think that a longer series, either longer episodes or more episodes, would have helped.
I disagree that removing the ex-boyfriend would have helped. I think the story needed that layer to make it feel complete, but it deserved more time to play out on screen.
The actor who played Ye Chan was so good. He was able to portray eagerness and vulnerability and the angst of falling in love for the first time in a sweetly believable way. The actor playing Yul was also good. The chemistry they developed didn't quite set the screen on fire, but it was sweet. Good enough.
Overall, I think it was one of the better KBLs so far this year. Not nearly as good as Semantic Error, but better than some of the other clunkers that plopped down onto my screen.
I'll give it a 7/10. Above average. Good but not great.
Yeah like you I think that something a bit longer would have helped the drama. It's not always the case, some dramas need to be cut down most of the time. But here the contrary would have worked best.
Ye Chan was a little gem to me. Loved his acting. His character alowed the actor to showcase his acting which is great for him. Because as much as Yul's acting was nice too, he felt a bit bland. But that's because of his character^^
Not surprised by your review 😅
Love Tractor was a disappointment even though I didn’t go into it with any high expectations because I don’t know anything about the manga. Initially I was hopeful because it is the same studio as Semantic Error but when they released the names of different a director and writer team that’s when I started to curb my enthusiasm. I couldn’t finish it.
When a series fails it is rarely ever the actors; but it is always the case that the writer that has been hired by a director who also is not up to scratch chooses to let a series ago to air even though it was well below the high water mark of the studio’s last production.
Again the issue of the run time is not credible when you look back at some of the most outstanding and memorable BL adaptations and series such as HIStory3:Trapped which had episodes that were less than 15 minutes; Addicted that had 3 whole eps cut but is still undefeated and a fan fave for rewatches nearly a decade later; and Gameboys whose first episode was around 10 minutes but was the critical hit of the pandemic. There are many like these but from the pre covid era before they chased out the best writers from BL productions esp in Thailand and the Philippines.
Conversely you have BL incl from Korea now that are around one hour that are still a critical and market failure (Only Friends, Dangerous Romance). The Director and the Writer that he hires are both aware of the time that they have to write the story in, so if they fail to write it for the time they themselves allowed and are paid for, it cannot be because of the time but rather it is because of their own incompetence.
Agree with P’John about Hidden Agenda which by the way is very popular within Thailand but it’s really a fan service series for the Ship’s very prominent domestic fandom there.
Superstar suffers from the same problem of all cinematographic style and no substance because the Director understands neither BL not romance and neither his writing, nor his lack of humility about his writing skills, seem to be getting better. See also his Bite Me The Series. Step By Step and I Feel You Linger in the air all have directors who suffer from this affliction.
Lynn also recommended me Bon Appetit and so far I am enjoying it but I’m only on episode three. The assassin romance costumed drama I’m completely obsessed with right now is a Chinese drama called My Journey To You which is beautiful and exquisite in every way including and especially the writing. It’s on YT and iQIYI
When Lynn and I discussed Superstar, I not only laid most of the blame on the writer-director but I explicitly cited his earlier work in Bite Me as an indi action of repeating mistakes. I'd have to check, but don't Step by Step and Linger share the same director?
@@johnmaster3748 Yes Bite Me was one of the most egregious wastes of good actors with extremely good chemistry for want of a half decent script. The Director David has clearly not taken the lessons of 2021 as we can see in 2023.
I mention Step and Linger because they also come from one studio - DeeHup House, they started off with Lovely Writer, and they all fell down on the writing. I mean just collapsed after three maybe four episodes the same exact cracks started to appear halfway. The script was not making sense on stupid things but also in the pacing and politics. Sadly, despite having probably the best actors that they’ve had in their series so far I Feel You Linger - I feel is also going in the same direction, sorry to say
Only Friends and Dangerous Romance don't work? I was very excited about it when they made the announcement :D
Appart from that I watching so little dramas recently that I feel like I'm falling behind ;A; So many dramas that you guys mention that I haven't seen yet and don't even necessarily feel like seeing anyways. I'll give a check to My Journey To You because that sounds like it could interest me :D Chinese dramas tend to be super long though so I don't know about that, not sure I'd have the motivation x)
@@dramawhale03 If it’s good what does it matter if it’s long 😃. MJTY is exceptional and the romance is also superb. Funny too and best Cdrama I’ve seen in a few years
I’m still scratching my head about only friends which struggles to get a few hundred thousand views on airing night compared with something like unforgotten night which without big-name actors/CPs, and was from a tiny studio, still cleared a minimum of 1.5 million on airing night for an average of 3 million and even got into 5 million for some parts, while only friends does not have a 5 million view count on any video so far. Even their reaction videos underperform given the amount of resources poured into this one. I need not comment on the writing or the politics which I’ll leave to your imagination 😅.
BR I was really rooting for my boy Perth in a main role since his first game-changing BL hit, Love By Chance, and was terribly disappointed in what GMM gave us. Oh well 🥲
@@dramawhale03 you are partial to series with a strong romantic storyline. Only Friends is not that, does not aspire to be that. So, it may be out of your happy zone, so to speak. I usually have a strong sense after 8 eps whether a series works for me or does not. With a month of episodes left, I honestly cannot tell you whether Only Friends is messy-good or messy-poor. It may be the most lakorn-adjacent BL series gmmtv has ever put forth, what with the melodrama between characters. It could rise or fall in my estimation over the next month. But I don't have confidence in the track record of Thai screenwriters when it comes to construction of a viable endgame to complex stories. They tend to fall back on formula, tropes, and safe choices. So I offer no sweeping conclusions about Only Friends.
As for Dangerous Romance, which also has a month of episodes left, I will binge the whole thing in late October. So, no opinion yet.
As the calendar turns from September to October, we hit the last quarter of 2023! Here are some statistics of interest only to me. Well, also i offer them to counter some of the judgment against this series. Love Tractor is not perfect, but it created one of the more stronger emotional resonances of the year. For me, it was sneaky good. But, no, not on the level of a Semantic Error.
Number of MDL entries this year to date: 45*. That's not all BL, of course, but predominantly. (*--Figure includes K-BL Bon Appétit which released all eight episodes Thursday and which I will finish binging [and therefore assign a rating to] before October starts. Figure also includes a handful of series that ENDED in 2023 and will feature in my 2023 rankings.)
Rating given to Love Tractor: 8.5 (tied for sixth in 2023 to date)
Percentile for 2023: top 15% of series this year [6-8 out of 45-ish)
Other 2023 series given an 8.5: Love Class Season 2, Our Dating Sim
Why only Korean series ranked 8.5?: just a coincidence!
Lowest ranked series of this year (that I watched): Be Mine Superstar [5.0]
Next lowest series: Hidden Agenda [6.0, so substantial gap between the bottom two]
Five series from 2023 I rated higher:
(10)Moonlight Chicken
(9.5) _none yet_
(9.0) My School President, I Will Knock You, The Eighth Sense, Utsukushii Kare S2.
Conclusion, Small Picture: Love Tractor is a contender for a Top Ten finish in 2023. Also, 2023 has had a dearth of high quality series!
Total entries in MdL list: 439.
Number of entries ranked higher than 8.5 (higher than the group that includes Love Tractor): 52 (11% of all)
Number of entries in the 8.5 tier: 46 (10% of all)
Number of entries 8.0 and lower: 340 (77% of all)
Conclusion, Big Picture: Love Tractor resides in the top 20% of series, movies, and specials in my MDL list. All-Time. Also, I am stingy assigning scores 8.5 and higher [one series in five].
Rating given to Semantic Error (2022): 9.5 [relevant because Drama Whale invoked it as a baseline]
Number of series on the 9.5 and 10.0 tiers: 21 out of 439 or 5%.
Conclusion, comparative: My ratings must perceive a big gap in quality between 9.5 and 9.0. Expecting any series to live up to the elite standard of Semantic Error is unfair. We should regard these elite series as aberrations. Happy to have them when they show up, but let us not fault lesser series for missing their mark. The benchmark should be series in the 9.0 and 8.5 tiers. In that regard, I would say Love Tractor delivers! Let us fault the series that can't be this good! And just rejoice when they are better!
Oh, that's not good motivation for Be Mine Superstar and Hidden Agenda ><
Also I watched 425 dramas, we have a similar number, it's crazy x)
I understand what you mean, and it's true that it's not fair. I think I just couldn't help myself because I was really hyped by the announcement. But at the end of day I still think it's a solid drama in itself, as I rated it 8.5 as well^^
@@dramawhale03 yeah, I thought of this explanation just now, and if it had occurred to me earlier I could have saved a lot of time writing...a LOT of time. Lol
On my scale, series at 8.5 and 9.0 are excellent series.This is where everything should aspire to hit! Meanwhile 9.5 and 10.0 are my version of the "God tier." Series so good, we you can't really aim for it because so much must come together at once. Great when it happens, but not fair to expect it. Example: Until We Meet Again was God tier! Expecting Between Us, with all the same characters and actors, to hit that benchmark was never fair! And I think many people dismissed it because it didn't match the enjoyment created by UWMA. Same for the Cherry Magic movie. And it's why I worry for the forthcoming Cherry Magic Thailand. The standard for that may be impossibly high.
I'm surprised that you ranked I Will Knock You so high. While Tar was a revelation as a young actor, his counterpart...wasn't. I thought it dragged too much to deserve a 9, but that's just my opinion.
I wholeheartedly agree with your 10 for Moonlight Chicken. It's amazing.
@@j_scott IWKY debuts on Viki soon. I plan to give it a re-watch. (Legitimate at last!) We shall see if my initial reaction was too enthusiastic. That is a possibility. I liked the humor in the series, the costuming, and the hairstyling. I never really notice the last two! And i tend to overvalue humor when it tickles me. So, it's possible I overlooked deficiencies in story because i was busy being charmed. Those qualities will not take me by surprise on a second watch, so the series will have to stand on its story merits. As for Tar, i expect a second watch may impress me even more. He was really, really good.
The problem of K-BLs trying to stuff more story into their limited runtime is so ubiquitous that I almost don't even hold it against them anymore. It's like a default fault of the type. The question, rather, is how many loose ends they left dangling and how well they navigated their stunted format to tell a story. In that sense, I felt as if Love Tractor did better than most K-BLs. Yes, there was too much story for eight short episodes. But...much less egregious than others.
As a corollary to this claim, I'd argue we maybe don't give enough credit to the writers of hour-long, 12 episode Thai and Taiwanese series who manage to sustain our interest across so many hoursof television. Too often, we criticize non-Korean series for having too many filler episodes and plot turns (see, Hidden Agenda, most recently. Or don't see it. It's a 12 episode series that has six episodes of plot.) So, when the longer series get it right, it's really quite an accomplishment.
I'd also note that Japanese series often have running times comparable to the K-Bls, but those series seldom feel incomplete like the K-Bls can. So, kudos also to those writers.
@@johnmaster3748 What you say is very true and I actually never really thought of it this way in terms of how many lose ends they are able to tie. But it makes total sense and I feel a bit ashamed that I didn't think of it myself really.
And what you say about non K-bls is true as well. I think that after watching so many dramas it's easier to point out at what is "wrong" with one. It's easy to criticize and forget a bit some of the good sides.
Also, you're really not promoting Hidden Agenda at all xD I don't feel like watching it now.
@@dramawhale03 if I can spare you from wasted time, I am happy to do so. But feel free to seek out other opinions about Hidden Agenda. I won't further outline its deficiencies here. Perhaps others' praise will carry more weight than my damnations. There exists people who liked it. I will say this: I don't blame the actors for this one. With respect to Be Mine Superstar, the list of faults is much longer, sharper, and includes the actors.
@@dramawhale03 "it's easier to point out what is 'wrong'."
So, true. Earlier tonight, Lynn Z. and I were exchanging back-and-forth emails about Bon Appétit. Since all eight episodes dropped at one time,, each of us was binging the whole series at once. My comments have been nearly all complaints! Accompanied by the disclaimer that I like the series. [4 of 8 watched so far!] So, easier to point out what does not work than what does!
@@johnmaster3748 Good point about not giving Thai and Taiwanese series credit for holding our interest. Kiseki and I Feel You Linger in the Air have me waiting with bated breath for the next episode to drop.
Hidden Agenda was essentially Star in My Sky 2 set in a debate club. For me, it's down there with Enchante as a series that ran at least 4 episodes too long.