If possible plz react to the serious conversation that Jin and suga had during the bon voyage season 4 i guess . They both were really vulnerable at that time.
What I love about this whole conversation is that Jin and V were not afraid to admit that they were both hurt by what the other had said. Most conflicts escalated not only because we can't admit when we're wrong, but also afraid to admit that we're hurt. It's ok to be vulnerable. It's what makes us human.
Yes! And it’s ok to be vulnerable in front of others. I know some men struggle with showing emotion because they think it’s a sign of weakness but it’s the complete opposite. I’ve always appreciated that BTS recognize that. So many groups split up or lose members over arguments that could’ve been resolved with some humility and open communication. The way the guys were taught to handle conflict is a huge reason their bond is so strong I think
"Apologizing does not always mean you're wrong and the other person is right. It just means you value your relationship more than your ego." - Mark Matthews
I remember being so impressed when I found out their ceo made them handle all conflicts together (especially when they started so young). If there was an issue between 2 or 3 of them, then all 7 talked it out. That definitely builds maturity.
I was very impressed with Jin going up to V prior to the start of the concert and sincerely apologizing. He swallowed his pride and went to V first, given the cultural context that means so much. And I think he remembered just how much they love each other and shouldn't hold a grudge. Jin as the oldest, leading by example. I just love them.
한국문화에서 윗사람이 먼저 싸운뒤 화해하도록 행동하면 존경받을 수 있는 훌륭한 사람이라고 생각해요^^ 한국 속담에 형만한 동생 없다 라는게 있는데 형이 먼저 행동하므로써 동생에게 모범을 보이면 동생도 형을 따라한다고 해요 진은 잘못을 안했더라도 연장자이기 때문에 자신이 더 너그러워야 한다고 생각했을꺼예요 진도 태형도 저 상황에서 굉장히 한국적인 마인드로 행동한거예요 좋은쪽으로
Na realidade Jin se desculpou mais a culpa não foi dele. Ele assumiu a culpa possivelmente magoado, pq as fãs xingavam ele..Mais nos videos que vieram depois, dava para ver que quem errou foi Tae e não se desculpou..
@@celiacristina9182 ok o ponto é que isso mostrou maturidade, se a pessoa sabe o mínimo da cultura coreana entende que tecnicamente, mesmo errado, o Jin não sofreria pressão social alguma para se desculpar, por conta da questão de hierarquia, porém o Jin é um ótimo hyung e nunca usou isso contra os rapazes
As an Asian American, Asian American culture almost teaches you to throw conflict under the rug. When we have arguments, we are blunt, reactive/emotional but it’s the aftermath that’s difficult. There’s a lot of pride and not much apologizing or compromising. Because Jin is older, he could’ve easily said, “I’m right, you’re wrong. Respect your elders” + hold a grudge against V but he didn’t. They had mutual respect and love. I’ve never seen (in our culture and in my life) conflict resolution and management. So refreshing to see open communication and honesty without gaslighting, victim blaming, shame, etc… they really are inspirational people 💜
I was shocked at first by this conflict resolution by 20 something young guys. You would rarely see this in American culture where 'dudes and bros' would talk about their feelings, and hurts so openly to each other. They would kinda brush it aside and move on and be ok the next time. But as you said with Asian culture, there may be more pride and angry yelling, but then buried hurt and resentment remains. I'm also Asian Ame. So this is even more doubly confounding how these young Korean men (Korean culture has prob. the hottest tempers in Asia!) handled this so respectfully and dropped their pride and respect positions.
@@carasss7775 exactly. Love what you added. I grew up going to school with white kids, so I was used to talking things out. Way different at home and family members. Not sure if this is in Korean culture but for mine, there’s a lot of passive aggressiveness. Then there’s people who *THINK* they are assertive when they’re just straight up rude. I respect my Asian culture but what I saw growing up (denying problems, ignoring hurt/pain, etc..) is something I’d like to break. I find healing and inspiration witnessing Tae and Jin do their thing.
As Korean myself, when Jin apologized, I was like WHATTT????Jin? Oldest??. That kind of attitude toward younger one is really rare to witness in our culture but Jin did it. Before Jin apologized, V even said something a little disrespectful word(빡치게하네, 'you are pissing me off' in a rude way) but Jin apologized first..I was so SHOCKED. I think he did it for V who felt bad arguing with Jin and for the concert. Jin is so mature that he didn't use the 'age hierarchy power'...so impressive.
really? did V say these words? that time I was felt sorry for Jin, because it seems everyone cares about V, even the editing is like that. even I love them both, I am for Jin in this situation
I have so much respect for Jin … they tease him for his age always he takes it lightly that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be taken seriously he is an integral part of bts
Actually Jin is one of most serious one off camera and one of the most mature one in the group. He is the one who manages, maintains and make the group stay intact in all aspects. He is like the Glue between members. RM as leader manages mostly professional things. People always overlook his wise, mature, intelligent, intellectual witty, spontaneous, kind, humble, caring ,good- hearted, nice,pure, selfless and vulnerable side because he only wants to show his good funny light hearted side to Fans.
👏👏👏 Jin's role within the group and how he is the one who contributes to their being united has been more noticeable in this time when he is in the military service. Jin is admirable and I love that your comment is so accurate and touches all the points that I would like to see mentioned more about Jin.
@@blueberryj4351 when u hate a person and nicely represent only one side of his personality and his work🙄. Bts members also not leave a single chance of teasing (indirectly insulting him)him becz he is weak.🙄. Everyone has bad side, even u. And about jimin from where did u get this or ur own made story....why jin gonna give the name list of the trainees when there was staff for those work. Jin said to jimin that he will be in trouble bcz of his dance and jimin admited it himself too that he couldn’t get used to the grp dancing cz he learned something different. On other side of jin there was time when jin dressed same as jimin on stage bcz jm was getting threat of getting shot on stage (jin wore same dress to divert the person ). And about V....according to other members he was super annoying so he was scolded less or more....but jin scolded him, never leave him behind. Jin used to steal food and cooker from his home so that he can feed his members.
Seokjin literally is the most genuine idol there is. He does what makes him and his fans happy without pleasing or sacrificing his freedom and happiness. He attracts people naturally because he is real, unbothered, naturally talented, and always chooses the things he loves doing MORE THAN what the society, the music industry, or the korean pop culture would tell some idols for the SAKE OF POPULARITY AND FAME. That's why since day 1 until now, Seokjin is always so vocal to say that his motto is to "always be happy" as the kim seokjin on and off stage. No pretences, hunger of fame, or jealousy for other's success. He truly is beyond blessed with top-tier looks, talents, silver voice, supportive, rich, successful immediate family, and great personality everyone would appreciate. He knows how to live his life as an idol and how to keep private things for his personal life. Truly truly truly admiring and I wouldn't get tired of praising a man who has this kind of personality despite being so successful in life already. I stan the right man 💜 As what his closest celebrity friends esp Korea's veteran alcohol master, Mr. Park Rokdam, said: "Seokjin is untainted by worldliness and he's such an unpretencious innocence..." ✨️🙇
Jin has an amazing personality. it was so nice of him that he apologized first even though he is the oldest. he never fails to impress others by his characteristics.
@@Avocado_AmourI love the way Jimin said I made mistakes too. Maybe if V bring it it up to J Hope the dance leader to fix the issue would have been different. Jin got offended when V confronted him in front of everybody maybe V got carried away. Admire Jin to say sorry first and V for feeling guilty that he hurt Jin’s pride.
@@jessicapark5603 and it was not even jin's fault in the first place, there is a video analysis on the fight on youtube and it was tae who went further than his spot which messed with his timing but he blamed jin in front of everyone
@@anushkasharma-df1mlery true. V is just a mannerless brat. I really hate V since Run BTS Ep2...no manners at all. And then this scene where V attacking Jin makes me to hate V more and more.
When I first saw this clip, I broke down when Jin expressed he has a darker/depressed side because it’s so rare he gets this vulnerable & open. I can only imagine how self aware he is in everything he does in order to make the mood lighter & help other members feel better. And some of those times at the expense of taking care of himself first.
This is video is what caused me to stan BTS without hearing a song yet. My therapist and I were working on re-evaluating my relationships and setting healthy boundaries. I realized that I needed more examples of healthy relationships and around this time I was watching Hwarang. I googled V’s character to learn his real name and this was the first video that popped up so I watched it and was completely AMAZED that 2 had a disagreement but all 7 men sat in a room and discussed it and no one was rude or disrespectful or took offense to what others said (from my American point of view). After that I HAD to know more about them and fell down the BTS rabbit hole. That was over 3 years ago and I’m thankful I did.
Wow! It's the same for me! This whole episode of Burn the Stage impressed me so much that I have fallen in love with them having heard just a couple of their songs at that point. It's was not only the conflict resolution per se that did it for me, but also what other boys had to say about it in their individual interviews. I especially remember Yoongi's words about how the closer the relationship, the more important the mutual respect is. That just hit home for me 💜
The way they both grew since then and their bond became much stronger, i still remember the time where Taehyung made Jin a special birthday gift, he messaged all his friends and told them to film a "happy birthday" message to Jin, he edited all of them together and sent it to Jin, he said he was really touched on his live especially when it was at a time Jin was kinda anxious about growing old... Taejin always care about each other, Tae doesn't like when jin talks down about himself or doubts his talents, he's always there to remind jin that "he's the best dancer" that "he's the most beautiful person" to "stop saying he's old, He's at a blooming age". Same goes for jin when when Tae needs love he'd hug him to sleep, and give him a push of confidence when needed, just like when jin said "Blue & Grey" was his favorite, and it was Tae's original song. I can totally say all the members have a soft spot for taehyung, and they treat him like their little brother which they call their "happiness preacher", even jungkook who's younger sometimes gives Tae advices, and over the years you can also notice how Tae grew as a person, and his love for the members grew just as much. Same for jin who they all love and respect a lot, he took a lot of care of them and taught them many things, I know for a fact that they miss him a lot now that he's in m!litary with hobi. Sorry for the long message, thank you for your reaction, hope you get to see more beautiful compilations about how much they love each other too💜
As Tae grew up and turned staggeringly beautiful and started to win "most handsome man" competitions, I love that he was always so careful to insist that Jin is the most handsome.
@@evantesseract737 Yes, he always was careful as you said to not take that away from Jin, even when outsiders kept mentioning his Handsome titles and his beauty. He always let Jin keep going with "I said I'm WWH- it's ok if I'm not World's Most Handsome, ha".
I think Tae and Jin understands each other's vulnerabilities better than the others. Jin is someone who always uses self deprecating humor to deal with any situation. But deep down it must've taken a lot of mental strength to get over the things that he found flawed in himself. And for Tae, he was always referred to be the weird one, an alien who couldn't communicate well verbally with others because of his unique way of speaking. No matter how comfortable he is now, that must've affected him a lot when he was younger. He always doubted his efforts and hard work. Maybe that's why he was hurt when he was told that he was making a big deal out of that argument as he himself doubted himself. I think sharing these vulnerabilities openly in front of each other really helped them build a stronger bond. And I'm so glad they became closer than ever. The fact that Tae adjusted his schedule and flew all the way from Mexico just to see Jin off to the military was the proof that they're family no matter what.
I find it very interesting too, since you mentioned RM stepping in as the leader, that he also is under the context of age difference here, Jin is still the oldest of the group RM Being the youngest of the Hyung line (the older brothers line) Jin still followed the instruction instead of dismissing him for being younger cuz he could have totally used that excuse as Koreans, I've seen it lol but he didn't and that's what I also find really nice.
Exactly… RM is respected as a leader by everybody. Jin and Suga don’t challenge his authority when he is leading. That’s one of the forever signs of health of BTS.
I'm always amaze by seokjin. Like from the video performance, jin never wrong but he apologize first also he always the first person to comfort member everytime.
What's really awesome about this is that now Taehyung's number one defender of Jin whenever he is hard on himself or trying to downplay his own talents.. And Jin always try to make sure Tae is speaking his mind when someone talks over him or makes a joke about something he said or doing... both learned of that conversation and we see it till now
Thank you, we really need people like you who use their brains before judging people and sending hate instead of understanding the full picture of the situation.
@@SweetHeart-dn2my I never understood the hate this clip generates, like they shared it with us so we learn how to express ourselves and resolve conflicts in healthy way, it's not the only fight any of the memebers had and won't be the end of it, it was never shared to create a war about who's right and who's wrong but shared to learn by example
@@MrKaibaoh The purpose of this clip is to learn to resolve the conflict in a healthy way you are right, but some of the toxic army turned the content of this clip into an excuse to attack Tae, insult him and drag him daily and accuse him of being intentionally attacking Jin. Unfortunately, this clip is available on several channels on RUclips, and if you read the comments, you can see that most of fans are insulting Tae, because of that Tae and Jin daily received hate, sorry for my bad English
@@SweetHeart-dn2my your English is great, it's not my first language either... The people sending hate will always send hate, they hang on a hurt that's so old ignoring everything both of them did to the other, the way Tae makes sure Jin is appreciated, how he got into 16 hour flight just to send him off, everytime Jin is hard on himself I count on Tae making sure he knows his worth. Also the way Jin makes sure Tae is speaking his mind, the way he kept encouraging him when he was flipping the food while everyone was saying no to tae, or when he was cut while talking in the interview and said "it's my turn" it was jin the one who kept encouraging him saying yes it's your turn. These 2 love each other and if people want to reduce their life to these moments, it's on them 🤷🏻♀️ their loss
Are you a new fan because Tae has always from day one been the first person to reassure Jin and defend him and the same goes for him. This argument was shocking to many because they’ve always stood in each others corners since debut and also humbling to watch because they are human, not perfect dolls.
From the very beginning it was decided that if there was a conflict that all the members would get together and help resolve it. That is why they were all there at the beginning. Then they walked away giving the guys some time to themselves to talk about it. Very respectful.
Jimin and V r bff from high school. V defended Jimin when he was bullied according to a comment I red a white back. Jimin is the one who comforts ppl. And is very diplomatic.
I am so impressed by how Jin handled the situation. He is so admirable. There is so much things to learn from him. He has so much love to give, its overflowing. For Tae, I know for sure he also learned something from him after this incident. I believe, Nobody is perfect and corrections can be done with respect and gentleness. Correction is always for self improvement.
One of the many things i learnt from BTS is their way to handle unfavorable situation so beautifully. In their 12-13 years to being together, they have shown how a real communication should take place within family, couples, friends, siblings, colleagues, strangers. Real maturity.
Yoongi said often in the interviews that at the beginning they clashed all the time. 7 boys who were one day suddenly put into one space and told to form a group. Complete strangers, right??? Look at their bond now. They're basically a family of different blood. Love this for them.💜💜
BTS is a master class on group conflict management and resolution. They've used the same method of resolution since they debuted, and I think it's one of the things that's contributed to their family-like closeness. Even if a conflict is between only two members, they all talk it out as a group, and then let the members involved in the conflict talk more after that to finish clearing the air. I think it's contributed to their mutual respect of each other, and their ability to truly support each other in their individual endeavors, because they've had more than a decade of openness and learning to understand each other.
The point you missed I guess for cultural reasons, in Asian culture the elder is always right. You are trained to apologise to your older siblings/people/whoever, nomatter who is wrong. So coming from that, it's kind of a big deal that Jin came forward and said sorry.
My personality would not conform to that rule. Ain't no way in the world I would apologize when I'm not in the wrong. I don't care if it's my mother or grandmother.
@@babytooty04 thats funny cause jin was confirmed to not be in the wrong and he still apologized in the heat of the fight, it shows how much of a real man he is
@@YoungForever7168 Mehh being the bigger person isn't always gonna work. Sometimes you just gotta stand up for yourself and what you believe is right, even if going against your family.
I really feel that Jin tried to resolve the situation prior to them going onstage in any way he could. He said he took it as a joke, but it didn't appear that way at all. I really think he was trying to take the high road so their performance that night wouldn't be affected. They learned at a young age how to work out their differences with respect to keep the group strong and to keep resentment to a minimum. Max I always enjoy your reactions and Uncle Harley's perspectives are a great addition. Thank you.
The joke part was cut, he tried to joke it away and that what made it backfire with Tae, cause he took it as Jin dismissing what he said... I'm so glad they opened up about what makes the other tick early on and actually seeing them working through it over the years
I don't think Jin is the type to offer a fake apology like that, since it shows a disregard to Tae's feelings and that he apologized just to apologize, it would have offended Tae as well
“So many lessons we can learn from these guys” One of their many gifts to the world is to share a variety of sides of their experience w/ us. Love watching you guys watch them
@@HopeFree-qk4fk What do you want Tae to do? How about leaving BTS? Taehyung is the most popular member because of his genuine and affectionate personality. But he made a very wrong choice to join BTS
Because of this argument Jin and V made a big effort to better understand each other and are now much closer than they were before! As an ARMY who has been with BTS since 2016 I really felt the difference in their interactions after this event! So amazing to see!
PD Bang said he didn't mind people seeing them in conflict, but also wanted to show they are not perfect and how they cope and work things out. What was amazing is that the others stayed out of the conversation behind the stage too, to let them converse. One other thing is Jimin and V always stick up for each other and cover each other so he did well in loving both of them in the after-conversation. After this discussion, they changed up the moves a little and kinda do it differently every time remembering to have fun.
It must be hard for RM in times like this. He's the leader but he's also their friend and basically like a brother. Not the oldest, he's right in the middle. So it would take a lot of tact to figure out when to put on the leader hat and use his authority.
Between V and Jin in this conflict where V started it off, RM has chosen his bias..and it's V. Only JIMIN is a pro here. jimin speak up his mind as a true leader and at the same time a brother and a friend.
@@My_Innermost_Meой не смеши😂...Чимин лидер...Он просто хитро принял сторону Джина, поскольку тот старше, а соответственно - прав всегда согласно корейскому менталитету
@@My_Innermost_Me where do he pick sides? Because he comforted V when he cried? That isn't picking sides, that is knowing how to handle different personalities
I love the part that Suga said that fighting is not a bad thing. It is really a healthy way of keeping the relationship. The key is to have a respectful and good natured way of fighting. It would allow us to listen more and explain truthfully our issues instead of putting up defenses and listen to counter the other's take on the matter. Good job Bangtan! Always love Uncle Harley 💜💜💜
I really admire Jin in this conflict resolution, conflict happens since we are all imperfect, but it really impressed me how Jin reacted. As an older sibling myself, I can say it does feel like pulling teeth to apologize to a younger sibling, especially, given the context…for something I felt I wasn’t in the wrong for. But Jin put others first in this situation and acted very mature. He put V’s feelings first. I am also one to be lighthearted if I feel it’s a non-issue, and increase conflict, but I learnt a lot from Jin in this. He took the first step, apologized for his actions, and you can see the impression it had on V. Jin is actually very mature and selfless, and although the members joke that he’s the “maknae”, his maturity shines in serious moments like these. I especially see Jins older brother side come out with Jimin, their friendship is beautiful and it makes sense why Jimin would be the one for the final conflict resolution in the end. I really feel like Jimin sees Jin’s almost “inner” personality and respects him like his older brother. I learnt a lot of lessons about this conflict. It reminds me that in a conflict it’s about making peace and not about proving who’s right. No wonder Bangtan is so close.
they have shared before that they always made sure to try resolve all conflicts before the night ends so it was nice to see all 7 gathered, heard the opinions on both sides and reached an understanding together. i think their way of never avoiding the sensitive topics play a huge role in why they're so tight knitted today! i think it's also why many armys relate to their music too because they're very brave with their vulnerability
Idk why, but Jimin casually brushing his teeth, while Jin & V are having a big conflict is always funny to me. It also kinda shows that those issues had happened plenty of times before and they worked it out every time
Fr I always laugh at that because I can relate so much because I am typically in that position when other friends possibly have an argument. Just knowing that you and others in the friend group will help discuss it to solve the issue it just takes a moment to breath and debrief.
I learned a lot about human emotions and communication skills by watching you guys. (I am neurodivergent and most of the time, i am inside of my head and has difficulty in reading social cues so i want to learn and be more communicative). I learned a lot abt the tannies too, and we, the viewers, could use these knowledge to widen our intra and inter personal skills. In their earlier days, the boys and the rest of the creative team behind them with the ceo and producers had a sort of ritual where they shout whatever grievances they felt. It was held in their buildings rooftop and I feel that other companies did not have that kind of team-building activities and i really want to know what you guys think about that. Thanks and borahae!!
Instead of lecturing and saying empty words they stand up as role models by sharing these types of interactions. So much can be learnt from just watching their dynamics. That’s why their bond with ARMY keeps getting stronger and stronger.
Also notice that when leaving the green room. Jin is still unsettled despite apologizing to his maknea. But Min Yoongi is there at the door and puts a comforting hand on him as they leave. I've often seen RM is the fatherly figure but SUGA is the motherly one. I don't mean in a feminine way... but that he pays attention to emotions and notices things the others don't sometimes. I like the video later when they are at the hotel where Jin and Taehyng/V address it further and the thing about age does come up.
Jin is such a good soul. The way he apologized first is so humble. I feel what he is saying at the end. People who always seems to be funny and happy, hide their sad feelings. Jin does hide his sad side and acts goofy to make army happy which is so selfless.
7:55 RM's calm, reasonable response remembered Jin to his responsibility as the elder. One must never forget the cultural background and in Korea the eldest of a group bears the greatest responsibility. That's why Jin gave in and tried to de-escalate the situation as well.
What your uncle said....grown adults in meetings are barely able to handle disagreements without letting their egos run wild....so seeing them behave so maturely.....with calm clarity even during conflicts....is testament of their characters. But most importantly, their dedication to make the team better as they better themselves is so impressive. Many are talented in this world....but there is reason why BTS enjoys this unmatched fame & loyalty. You guys were as usual amazing......Uncle Harley complimenting you in the middle of the video was a very sweet moment. Thanks for your hard work. Looking forward to whatever you guys have planned :)
Thank you for the video ...I love them all for different reasons But jin ooohhh jin i think is the reason why they are so selfless and chaotic and free .Jin is the oldest and in Korea this is a huge thing but jin never used the oldest card to the members.he was the first to apologize and this is so sweet and lovely about him and he is the most chaotic in run bts or when they are out of performance .he brings joy and freedom to all the members .I love him so much 💜♾️
Usually the comment section under this clip is all about who's fault it was reading the choreo, letting go of the main reason why this clip was even aired... It was never about choreo all of them make mistakes during the choreo, this is about learning how to communicate & resolve issues.. you think that's the only fight BTS had behind the scenes?? 😅😅😅 I assure it isn't. What's so special about this one that made them adding it to their documentary is the way both of them opened up and to show us that with the correct guidance and support we can actually overcome any conflicts we have... I hope one day the bitter comments under this clip understand that people fight, I bet u did this week too 👀🫠
Conflict is natural where there are people but the beauty of it is how its resolved. Tae made a mistake without knowing and actually taught it was jin who did, and he innocently wanted to correct jin but it escalated as Jin was not at fault. At the end, both felt bad, and resolved the issues.
@@BorahaeVante because some people just love h*ting others, some are jealous of him and some just like putting people down to feel good. At the end of the day what matters is that Jin and V resolved the issue and have grown above that. They + the rest only have each other. And they know it, fans come and go, people jump fandoms and ship all the time but what stays constant are real friends and family. And I believe they won't throw it away for anything.
@@BTS-Sommy Just now a Jin solo said that Tae couldn't have succeeded on his own without 6 members. According to Army, Tae has only visuals (or many dare to say that he is vgly). Armys always underrate him. We're so tired of this fandom
@@BorahaeVante my dear, don't listen to the solo's as a person talent speaks for them. Visual is a talent in itself not everyone can pull it off. Talk more of performing which V is extremely good at. Singing baritone and dancing is his forte too as we can see from him and Bada lee videos. His name is also a talent in itself so let it speak for him. Outside of BTS, nobody knows what all of them will be as it is BTS that built and shape who they are now. So my dear please ignore solo's and love all members as they have always loved each other. Okay
I love Jimin's maturity, selflessness, consideration and wisdom...in other videos Jhope and Jin said that Jimin is like an older brother, RM said Jimin is lkke a grandparent parent, In my research, before BTS, Jimin was 9 years class president, top student in Busan Arts School...all levels of students would join the orientation to see who the top student would be every year and it's Jimin..he studied hiphop, popping, modern dance, ballet and contemporary dance. He is a black belter in taekwondo before other members, he trained in Kendo for 8 years, he received a scholarship to study Chinese martial arts, and he also trained in Hapkido. He joined the billiards club, robotics club, soccer club, he is good in basketball, science, he is a math genius so he sometimes substituted as a student teacher in class, he is also good in snorkelling, skating, gymnastics. Right now he is the only BTS member who received the highest award in military training for top trainee, in addition like Jin and Jhope, Jimin received the Special Warrior award-good in IQ, physical strength, military strategy, etc. In one exercise he led his own group in the military and he was selected to join the elite Fire Detection Center that has only 5 members. He was the original member who received the label of most popular in Korea, king of duality, itboy, king of kpop, angel, dance god, jimjn effect, once you jimiin you can't jimout In the Korean Gallip award (for most popular idol in SK) Jimin won the award several years until Gallup stopped. In the most prestigious award in SK called Brand Reputation Rankings, Jimin received 1st place 45 times and 30 plus times consecutively. No other idol has defeated him. Korea is very critica of selecting the idol they support and beleive in and Jimin is most loved in Korea, he is also known as Prince of Busan. You will always har other members saying they are jealous during Jimin's birthday. Both Korean and international fans have celebrated Jimin's birthday extravagantly, creatively more than any other fans. One of the hifts for Jimin is a star named after him, then the lighting of Burj Kalifa for Jimin, Eiffel Tower, Russian hisyorical monuments all lighted for Jimin, fans produced songs dedicated for Jimjn, fans donated millions in Jimin's name for different causes, first airplane carrying Jimin's image in the outside design of the plane, this was copied by bts the group and other fans, hundreds of creative and extravagant gifts have been organized for so many years for Jimin.. Other members you will find weird videos edited, called angle of rotation, with subplots that never happened, it happened in their mind that there is love story between 2 members...but they dont stream or buy their songs, Jimin's fans support , will go to ends of the earth to support Jimin ...always, Jimin is no longer in rivalry with other bts members he is now conpeting against US artists , like Billie Ellish, Taylor Swift and the weekend
I love it when you have Uncle Harley on - his input is so interesting! These videos are so different from other reactors, please continue to have him on. I’m really enjoying your channel.
RM é um ótimo líder, podemos ver isso, mas, a humildade do Jin me impressiona. Jin, não estava errado, não estava dizendo que nao tentaria, apenas coloca sua verdade ali.
@@SusanaSepulveda-cc7te Tae is cruel to your bias? You are an ungrateful akgae for Tae shows the most encouragement and love to your Jin more than any other member. Just say you're a Latin Tae anti and leave him alone
I felt really bad for Jin in this situation . Jin was not even the one who made the mistake, it was actually V. And even though Jin is not wrong , even though he is the oldest he still apologized . And everyone consoled V only, only a staff member went for jin and consoled him. That' s sad. . Just because Jin is the oldest doesn 't mean that he wouldn ' t feel sad or get hurt. Jin was hurt but didnt show it just for the guys. What a pure soul....
I disagree I don’t think anyone picked sides Jin is well respected in the group. They both moved on and they both got into an argument and resolved it I don’t agree with making Jin the victim no one patted V on the back
Stop victimizing Jin please. Taehyung is so hated for such a minor conflict that he should leave BTS!!! Tae is way more loved outside the fandom, he should go solo
@@BorahaeVante Because Jin is the victim in this situation . And who you are to decided which path should V choose lol. He didnt come this far just on his own skills . It was a team work. If there was no other six members V wouldn 't have succeeded this much anyway . Even V know it himself lol. So come out on your delulu mind . You are living in a fantasy ...🤦
this incident was quite a long time ago, even now v is the one who often defends jin because sometimes jin lacks confidence, but v is always at the forefront of the example during a concert in las Vegas when his hand injured, jin felt like he was a burden but v stood up for him and said nothing should be a burden.
Please go and find out who was wrong in this argument. V moved further away than he did the first night in Spring Day . With V so far away Jin had to run to meet V at the new set point thus preventing him from running back to the group in time .
@@HopeFree-qk4fk this problem is over taehyung and jin have concern for each other, they just don't care about it anymore,, why are you looking for trouble, who is wrong, are you a hater taehyung, hater
@@HopeFree-qk4fk RM stated on live V and RM have a rebellious nature it's just that V is very visible Rm no, V it's very blatant when he doesn't like it, but that's his pure nature he doesn't like to cover up lies
I love your reactions with your uncle👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 The eldest got more authority but at the same time responsibility.. Jin is the amazing eldest. And all other 6 members respect him very much.💜💜💜💜
Seeing this, I was too nervous to actually watch it. Coz the first time I watched this, it made me cry and anxious. Jin is my ultimate bias now (Yoongi is my long time wrecker). But Tae was my first bias when I got in BTS, so he's very special to me too. So seeing them between this conflict really saddened me. But I loved watching this right now hearing yours and your uncle's pov's. One thing I'm thankful for that these guys became this good in communicating their feelings was that Bang PD nurtured, trained and raised them this way. He's the one who imposed that they talk about conflicts altogether. Our boys are real men for being like this. They're just so admirable. Now I miss Jin so much more, and miss them all together. Thanks for this vid 💜
I have seen a video where it shows that V's position was farther than usual which made it more difficult for them to go to their next position. That's why it used to take Jin faster before and it seemed it took longer that time for Jin to go to their next position. It wasn't Jin's fault.
It wasn't really about who's fault it was as Jimin said, it's all about the way of communication, Taehyung's words sounded harsh to Jin and Jin tendency to make a joke out of serious situations sounded offending and dismissive to Tae... this is the part that made the conflict a conflict
@HopeFree-qk4fk no sweetheart when u talk seriously and someone make a joke out of it that's bad form, and Jin did apologise for it and acknowledged it is a fault,, I hope u don't do this irl cause u gonna get in real trouble and alienate people around u if u started joking when they are getting serious about something
If Jin pulls himself down at times, for his dancing or anything for that matter.. V is the first one to shut him up and goes on to say that thats not true. See some TaeJin moments to how much they love and care about each other ! 💜 Loved this analysis :)
It was cute to see that Jimin was kind of hovering at the door when they were alone together, making sure that things were okay. Thanks for the reaction, and for having Uncle Harley back. 😊
While it was nice that he wanted to check on their conversation, I think that he should have left like the other members. They had already done the group talk and at that time, it was for Jin and V to sort out their own feelings about the situation. Additionally, on one hand, he reminded Taehyung that Jin is his elder, but he felt secure enough to tell them their talk needed to end. Also, Jin seemed like he wanted to go deeper into his feelings before the interruption. Maybe that's why he said, "Stop butting in." V even suggested they finish the talk later over drinks. Listen, I adore BTS for so many reasons, as a group and each individual member. Their content has, surprisingly, gotten me through a very tough period in my life, so each one has a special place in my heart. His involvement in their one on one just confused me. 💜
@@anditisstillme at first i agreed, but i also think that because it was so late and they needed rest, jimin was genuinely trying to get them out of there so they didn’t sit there talking for hours about feelings.
@@anditisstillme i agree for the most part, i think its just that jimin is extremely close to both jin and tae and saw that the convo probably would be better continued without a camera later on hence the 'lets get some rest, your promised each other to have a drink later'
Actually it wasn't about who was wrong or right here ...the pressure is so much such things are inevitable ..but the thing is how nicely they resolve such conflicts .
@@HopeFree-qk4fk he wasn't wrong ...I have seen many people like you blame him ...he wasn't even trying to pick fight but honestly saying something ..but because they were all stressed things got complicated ... You clearly have never been in such position ...and Jin never got hate .. it's opposite ..v got a lot of hate and still gets for it till this day ...
@@iampigoinkoink5185 wait why is your name am a pig oink oink . Do you hate Seokjin because you must really do . Change your name and come talk to me 🤣🤣🤣
@@HopeFree-qk4fk wow, you’re toxic. Maybe uncle Harley can give you some therapy and teach you how to be kinder, more forgiving, and avoid holding grudges and judging people you don’t know and situations you were not a part of.
I am not Jin but knowing Jin’s personality I feel like in this situation he is like, let’s just do what we practiced Im doing’s my best already. Please know this happened minutes before the show and they have rehearsals before that. Jin dont like heavy environment so I think he is trying to joke about it to make it light but it out it became salty.
I think what disappointment me most I am sorry to say is that people are still playing this video. I am not sure if you realise Max but it caused a lot of controversy at the time because of how it was shown and edited for the documentary. Jin received a tremendous amount of hate mail from V’s fans for supposedly making V cry. This caused a retaliatory reaction from Jin’s fans which caused a sort of fan war. Each blaming the other member for the argument and hate going both ways. It was proven the next day that the actual performance in the discussion that V had roamed much further than normal that night making it difficult for Jin to run back to his place. This is what V noticed but was unaware it was because he had gone too far and not that Jin was too slow and it was discussed on how to make that part smoother. The problem is every time someone reviews it the same old arguments manifest and new army watch it and jump to the same conclusion and the hate cycles start again. For this reason I wish people would not review it. They only show partial clips of the argument so no one knows really what was said and only partially how it was resolved and leaving viewers to assume Jin was mainly at fault for being weak at dancing and unable to accept criticism and V just trying to better the performance instead of the truth which would have been known but not discussed in the documentary.It is in my opinion a very badly edited view of the argument designed to show how BTS resolve their problems without caring on how the members were represented. Jin being the man he is once again swallowed all this and just got on with it and we are just lucky that he is resilient
Y'all act as if the hate V get from Jin stan because of this is small, even when everyone already moved on & you still find jins stan hating V because of this, idk why but jin stan has always boner hate against V all the damn time, V get hate bcs he act first instead of jin, V gets hate because he is called handsome or his visual get praised, and V still get hate bcs of this incident until now, actually the hate V receiving its not comperable bcs he always gets hate from the dumb sht, even his rbf face, ppl just very judgingmental towards him bcs they can't understand him and always putting their own narrative against him
@@yacchan830 This is what I am talking about it brings these issues up! In actual fact I don’t hate V I love him as much as the rest of the band,his voice is the reason I became an Army! Hate is received from both sides! Bothe sides get jealous when one gets called handsome or wins awards for their looks when in actual fact they are both handsome. V acted first and was most suitable for that part because of his youth, Jin would have been to manly for that part. In dramas that counts. We all know Jin has been offered parts as well, whether he has not been given the opportunity or did not want them no one knows but we all know that producers and directors are waiting for both of them to act. What difference does it make who acted first? You see this is what fan wars are all about and bringing this argument up constantly just fuels them. Instead of fighting with each other protest to the people who keep bringing up the argument that they both want people to forget as they have!
@@alwenawillis8813 agree that solo stans from both sides were being needlessly horrible to the guys, esp over smt TaeJin have well moved long past of. Ppl need to stop saying that either was at fault when it was just a series of misunderstandings and a stage marking issue that was easily resolved and clearly did not hurt their relationship. The whole thing was just to show how open and considerate the members are to each other on an individual and group level. The members love and care abt each other, so any so-called fan, solo or ARMY, sets a poor example when they can't be respectful to every members. A little off topic bc this has nothing to do with your main point, but V acted bc the director specifically made a character based off him and wanted him in the drama. And Jin has stated his focus has been mostly on singing. He even got a vocal coach not part of the company for it. And considering that he certainly has quite a bit of friends in the Korean acting community, I don't doubt he had offers. But he said last year that he wasn't sure if he actually wanted to pursue acting anymore bc he was able to gain a bunch of experiences and learn a lot of new things (his stated reason for acting) as a member of BTS.
@@em5522 Yes I agree the part was perfect for V and I know now that Jin is not as interested in pursuing his acting career but I do hope in the future he will. So many high profile people want him to so that is saying something. Maybe being in the military will make him prioritise his career in different ways but I think his heart is in variety, though I think it’s only natural he will pursue acting at some time. He will concentrate on his music first then variety then acting I think. It would be a shame if he didn’t as he is so natural and can convey emotion in his face and voice like no other. Actually they have all got pretty good at acting over the years. 💜
I appreciated that you explained to your uncle that SK has a different view of elders. One year or more and you have to be respectful. However, maybe the way you all see it from your point of view...not SKorean...you'll see both of them as being respectful. But what you missed or maybe you said it in the longer version, is that the fact that Jimin HAD to mention it meant that V was a bit disrespectful to Jin in bringing it out the way he did. And in the video you see the members going to talk to V more than Jin...why? Not because they care more for him than Jin but because of the respect for elders and maybe because V needed to tone it done a bit more than Jin. We can see Jin apologizing first but V didn't...so the members still needed to talk to him more. Tae is a character all on his own, apart from his V persona, so he needs to be listened to and if he's not, he gets upset. Because he could have also let it go when Jin said he's doing the best he could but he didn't. Jin could have also said ok V I'll try harder...but when you're doing your best it's tough to hear someone say it's not good enough. And as he said...from someone younger hurt his pride! Also your uncle recognized RMs leadership, which is awesome. Because no one questions his role in the group. I also commend Jin because he could have said ok and moved away but he took the opportunity to apologize!!! He took the blame on himself immediately and that's who Jin is! That's just my thoughts lol. I enjoy your videos btw and love your love for our boys ❤😊
One other thing I noticed, the other members did not interject while the conflict was happening. That would have caused more damage, sides being taken etc. it may be something they decided to do early on. But something I wish more families would do that!❤😂
I find psychology so interesting so I love hearing your Uncle's interpretations. I've really been enjoying the two of you reacting/analysing together and always look forward to the videos 💜
Amazing behaviour from Jin. ❤He is the oldest and commands a huge amount of respect by the nature of his age. Everyone in Korea lives this way, but Jin doesn't use the "age card" very much at all. He stepped forward to apologize (we can't know exactly what happened) and put his hand on V's shoulder. Although it may not have been enough for V at the time. Jin showed great maturity...the outside culture may have seen it as a sign of weakness, apologizing after being talked to that way by a younger person. I feel it took great character strength....even when his own feelings were hurt. Love you Jin and V. 💜💜 Love you Leader RM 💜 Love you BTS 💜💜💜💜 Canada
True, each of them has his own imperfections but because they are together, they fill each other's imperfections. When one is getting wayward, there are 6 members who are there to pull him back. Their character and disposition complement the group not just professionally but in dealing with each other on a more personal level. They are really people who we can emulate. I love them so much, they make me a better person.
Regarding the camera presence, they personally decided to show the bad moments so that fans are not disillusioned about them being perfect. That fans can learn from these difficult moments too.
loved how they worked it out well together and jin and taehyung’s relationship was never strained bc of this. they probably got even closer and they’re such a great duo, i’m glad they worked it out well
I'm just so grateful to Bang PD for training them how to manage their emotions and how to deal with each other from the beginning. No matter how we say these boys have good personalities, conflicts are inevitable part of living together all these years. They're not perfect. In fact, they've told us of instances of childish arguments when they were still trainees, but through the years they were able to master how to deal with disagreements and conflicts, thanks to Bang PD's guidance. And now we all know how they love and care for each other so much they found it difficult to live separately.
@@nobodyzzz9832 OP was not saying bang pd was the “ultimate” reason why the boys get to resolve their conflicts healthily, it’s about the practice that bang pd imposed early on to the group to talk about the issue and resolve it within the day which obviously brings a positive outcome.
who was here for Uncle Harley? 😉 but without jokes: I always liked to watch your videos, Max, but your interaction with your uncle is really nice to watch. the way you can see how much you love each other and appreciate each other. thank you for showing us is this side too, along with your great analysis 💜
just wanna add that i also appreciate jimin at the very end making sure Jin and V ended the night on a lighthearted note cuz as much as things got resolved, the first few moments after can still feel a bit awkward & the healing wound is still tender. so jimin subtly making sure to 'put some balm' on Jin and V is so so appreciated ~ :') u can tell jimin was worried about them and wants to make sure everyone is okay again with each other, just as much as the each member does.
im tired of this fight and this narrative, some people here are saying jn gets sensitive when it comes to dancing skils because he didn't come from a dancing background but if you've seen the ACTUAL video of the stage that day, he didn't make any mistakes he was in the right position, i really dont know why v decided to blame it on him and disrespect him that way (you know how the korean are about age etc...)
This was one of the earliest videos I remember seeing when I was getting into BTS. I remember being very impressed by how they handled conflict resolution at such a young age. As Uncle Harley said, we see full grown adults all the time who are completely incapable of resolving issues without succumbing to pettiness, name-calling or other aggressions. This is definitely a key to their success and longevity. Many groups over the years have broken up because of the massive egos of 1 or 2 members so seeing them handle these issues so maturely and from a place of love is so refreshing and lovely to see.
That's why BTS are great model for people, specially for youth. I liked that we got to see them in these situations. For me, I liked BTS, but then I loved them more, not because of their happy playful moments, and times of success, but because of how they dealt with the hardships and difficult times. That's what made me feel connected to them but inspired too. They can make you learn from no matter if you're older or younger than them. I remember how Taehyung cried when Jin gave a speech when they won MAMA award in 2018 saying that they were going to disband, how Jungkook hugged Taehyung, and how RM was comforting them, Jhope cried and they all were so emotional. The fans were shocked when they heard about that, but it just shows how much hardships they went through as a group together, but we don't hear about most of it. They are so strong and kind to one another. Thank you for making this video!
Great video! thank you Max and uncle Harley! BTS members are so mature, humble and down to earth, that’s why they have won us over, besides their amazing talent of course!
Your conversations with Uncle Harley are great. Thank you for inviting him into the BTS discussion to share his point of view about healthy communication skills. The positivity in your videos motivates me to try harder and be more supportive with the words I say. 😊💜
I’m late to the party, but I just discovered your channel and I’m so glad I did! Your video reactions are completely different from the rest of the BTS reactions on RUclips. I love the idea of analyzing their communication with eachother! Here’s my perspective: People really need to stop criticizing or blaming one of the members. I wouldn’t even call this an argument, but more of a misunderstanding. I see so many comments blaming V and calling him selfish and disrespectful; when really anyone who is ot7 would know what a genuine and kind soul he is. I think it’s important to note that besides being the oldest, Jin also has always struggled with dancing and has worked REALLY hard to get to where he is now. That makes him truly admirable. I think he felt hurt because A)He is older and B)He was frustrated because he was trying his best. I think he felt like he was being criticized by his younger member, even though that was never Tae’s intentions. On the other hand, it’s also important to note that V was kept hidden before their debut which has really made a mark on him. V is extremely pure, genuine and honest with a child like behavior (as in innocent not immature); and thus, if you look back you’ll see that he was often dismissed and disregarded because of that. You can tell he felt hurt as he said “he did not take me seriously when I was trying to be serious”. I think he felt small as he was often not taken seriously by anyone in the past; even the members have admitted to struggling to understand him at the beginning. Although he carries himself confidently, I’ve always thought in the past, that he had a lot of deep rooted insecurities about himself and has worked equally as hard as the rest of the members. He admitted to that himself in an interview. He said that in the past, he felt very vulnerable and weak hearted that if someone threw a rock at him, he would be hurt and would dwell upon it. However, he said he does not feel that way anymore because his members have helped him gain confidence and learn how to get up if he’s pushed down. I think that’s heart warming👏 Of course, they’ve both moved on long ago from this incident; but I really do think that this misunderstanding stemmed from a place of insecurity. They’ve now both achieved amazing success as solos and have gained enough confidence in themselves. 💜💜
One of the many reasons why I love and admire them a lot. They're not afraid to show us this side of them. It's amazing to see how far they've come as a group. They're basically family now. 🥺
HUGE BTS fan💜 remember this incident so well when it happened. Bear in mind the immense pressure these young men lived under at the time,, its a credit to each of them, and their commitment to their world fans, that they were so successful for so long. Wonderful pearls of learning are pointed out here. I wish all 7 men from BTS, happiness, and support, for wherever their life journeys take them. May they always be surrounded by love.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I checked the choreo. Adjustment would have been easier for V in the choreo. Nevertheless, this occurrence made them closer, according to them. So I guess it had a good effect on them.
BTS are good communicators and I have learned so much from them personally. It’s amazing to see their individual personalities and their group dynamic. There’s so much to learn from them. Good discussion guys.
Interestingly, a fan cam showed that the stage was larger than usual on the night that they performed they are both talking about and V did go too far. But what was great was both of them put all that aside and worked out their relationship.
Seeing this I think watching with him Festa 2022 will also be very interesting! I think that is the most vulnerable video that I have seen in a very long time and it is also beautiful. Loved your duo and the reaction. Thank you!
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Uncle Harley is back!
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Loved 😍
If possible plz react to the serious conversation that Jin and suga had during the bon voyage season 4 i guess . They both were really vulnerable at that time.
What I love about this whole conversation is that Jin and V were not afraid to admit that they were both hurt by what the other had said. Most conflicts escalated not only because we can't admit when we're wrong, but also afraid to admit that we're hurt. It's ok to be vulnerable. It's what makes us human.
Exactly
Yes! And it’s ok to be vulnerable in front of others. I know some men struggle with showing emotion because they think it’s a sign of weakness but it’s the complete opposite. I’ve always appreciated that BTS recognize that. So many groups split up or lose members over arguments that could’ve been resolved with some humility and open communication. The way the guys were taught to handle conflict is a huge reason their bond is so strong I think
@@maxpbeaumont ruclips.net/video/_2CJ2vRstQk/видео.html
😅 shipper.... need something to justify their delulu?
@@SagarPathania not only taekook, also taejin, vmin, vhope, jikook, jinkook... named it😉
"Apologizing does not always mean you're wrong and the other person is right. It just means you value your relationship more than your ego." - Mark Matthews
I remember being so impressed when I found out their ceo made them handle all conflicts together (especially when they started so young). If there was an issue between 2 or 3 of them, then all 7 talked it out. That definitely builds maturity.
Also keeps them on the same page, or at least close as possible to the same page😂
G DRAGON KING .....
Yeah. The Uncle needs to know that fact!
@@shreyasitambraparni5713 I mean he’s still learning. Let’s not rush him.
I didn’t know this. Gosh, that’s amazing. What a great team building exercise too.
I was very impressed with Jin going up to V prior to the start of the concert and sincerely apologizing. He swallowed his pride and went to V first, given the cultural context that means so much. And I think he remembered just how much they love each other and shouldn't hold a grudge. Jin as the oldest, leading by example. I just love them.
한국문화에서 윗사람이 먼저 싸운뒤 화해하도록 행동하면
존경받을 수 있는 훌륭한 사람이라고 생각해요^^
한국 속담에 형만한 동생 없다 라는게 있는데 형이 먼저 행동하므로써 동생에게 모범을 보이면 동생도 형을 따라한다고 해요
진은 잘못을 안했더라도 연장자이기 때문에 자신이 더 너그러워야 한다고 생각했을꺼예요
진도 태형도 저 상황에서 굉장히 한국적인 마인드로 행동한거예요
좋은쪽으로
Na realidade Jin se desculpou mais a culpa não foi dele. Ele assumiu a culpa possivelmente magoado, pq as fãs xingavam ele..Mais nos videos que vieram depois, dava para ver que quem errou foi Tae e não se desculpou..
@@celiacristina9182 ok o ponto é que isso mostrou maturidade, se a pessoa sabe o mínimo da cultura coreana entende que tecnicamente, mesmo errado, o Jin não sofreria pressão social alguma para se desculpar, por conta da questão de hierarquia, porém o Jin é um ótimo hyung e nunca usou isso contra os rapazes
@@celiacristina9182so true
As an Asian American, Asian American culture almost teaches you to throw conflict under the rug. When we have arguments, we are blunt, reactive/emotional but it’s the aftermath that’s difficult. There’s a lot of pride and not much apologizing or compromising. Because Jin is older, he could’ve easily said, “I’m right, you’re wrong. Respect your elders” + hold a grudge against V but he didn’t. They had mutual respect and love. I’ve never seen (in our culture and in my life) conflict resolution and management. So refreshing to see open communication and honesty without gaslighting, victim blaming, shame, etc… they really are inspirational people 💜
I was shocked at first by this conflict resolution by 20 something young guys. You would rarely see this in American culture where 'dudes and bros' would talk about their feelings, and hurts so openly to each other. They would kinda brush it aside and move on and be ok the next time. But as you said with Asian culture, there may be more pride and angry yelling, but then buried hurt and resentment remains. I'm also Asian Ame. So this is even more doubly confounding how these young Korean men (Korean culture has prob. the hottest tempers in Asia!) handled this so respectfully and dropped their pride and respect positions.
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bang pd making them resolve their conflicts together when they were young really paid off
@@carasss7775 exactly. Love what you added. I grew up going to school with white kids, so I was used to talking things out. Way different at home and family members. Not sure if this is in Korean culture but for mine, there’s a lot of passive aggressiveness. Then there’s people who *THINK* they are assertive when they’re just straight up rude. I respect my Asian culture but what I saw growing up (denying problems, ignoring hurt/pain, etc..) is something I’d like to break. I find healing and inspiration witnessing Tae and Jin do their thing.
@@BeautifulDreamerK it very much depends on the family. My white family did not know how to work through conflict
As Korean myself, when Jin apologized, I was like WHATTT????Jin? Oldest??. That kind of attitude toward younger one is really rare to witness in our culture but Jin did it. Before Jin apologized, V even said something a little disrespectful word(빡치게하네, 'you are pissing me off' in a rude way) but Jin apologized first..I was so SHOCKED.
I think he did it for V who felt bad arguing with Jin and for the concert. Jin is so mature that he didn't use the 'age hierarchy power'...so impressive.
really? did V say these words?
that time I was felt sorry for Jin, because it seems everyone cares about V, even the editing is like that. even I love them both, I am for Jin in this situation
@@poppinpoppinpoppinpoppinpo1647if you’re taking sides in the fight just shows you truly didn’t understand the purpose of it to begin with
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@@poppinpoppinpoppinpoppinpo1647 im with you
I have so much respect for Jin … they tease him for his age always he takes it lightly that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be taken seriously he is an integral part of bts
Actually Jin is one of most serious one off camera and one of the most mature one in the group. He is the one who manages, maintains and make the group stay intact in all aspects. He is like the Glue between members. RM as leader manages mostly professional things. People always overlook his wise, mature, intelligent, intellectual witty, spontaneous, kind, humble, caring ,good- hearted, nice,pure, selfless and vulnerable side because he only wants to show his good funny light hearted side to Fans.
LOUDER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
👏👏👏 Jin's role within the group and how he is the one who contributes to their being united has been more noticeable in this time when he is in the military service. Jin is admirable and I love that your comment is so accurate and touches all the points that I would like to see mentioned more about Jin.
Louder pls!!!!!!
Agreed ! Yes !
@@blueberryj4351 when u hate a person and nicely represent only one side of his personality and his work🙄.
Bts members also not leave a single chance of teasing (indirectly insulting him)him becz he is weak.🙄. Everyone has bad side, even u.
And about jimin from where did u get this or ur own made story....why jin gonna give the name list of the trainees when there was staff for those work. Jin said to jimin that he will be in trouble bcz of his dance and jimin admited it himself too that he couldn’t get used to the grp dancing cz he learned something different. On other side of jin there was time when jin dressed same as jimin on stage bcz jm was getting threat of getting shot on stage (jin wore same dress to divert the person ). And about V....according to other members he was super annoying so he was scolded less or more....but jin scolded him, never leave him behind.
Jin used to steal food and cooker from his home so that he can feed his members.
Seokjin literally is the most genuine idol there is. He does what makes him and his fans happy without pleasing or sacrificing his freedom and happiness. He attracts people naturally because he is real, unbothered, naturally talented, and always chooses the things he loves doing MORE THAN what the society, the music industry, or the korean pop culture would tell some idols for the SAKE OF POPULARITY AND FAME. That's why since day 1 until now, Seokjin is always so vocal to say that his motto is to "always be happy" as the kim seokjin on and off stage. No pretences, hunger of fame, or jealousy for other's success. He truly is beyond blessed with top-tier looks, talents, silver voice, supportive, rich, successful immediate family, and great personality everyone would appreciate. He knows how to live his life as an idol and how to keep private things for his personal life. Truly truly truly admiring and I wouldn't get tired of praising a man who has this kind of personality despite being so successful in life already. I stan the right man 💜
As what his closest celebrity friends esp Korea's veteran alcohol master, Mr. Park Rokdam, said: "Seokjin is untainted by worldliness and he's such an unpretencious innocence..." ✨️🙇
Can't be more true...
Jin has an amazing personality. it was so nice of him that he apologized first even though he is the oldest. he never fails to impress others by his characteristics.
The age has nothing to do with it
@@Avocado_AmourI love the way Jimin said I made mistakes too. Maybe if V bring it it up to J Hope the dance leader to fix the issue would have been different. Jin got offended when V confronted him in front of everybody maybe V got carried away. Admire Jin to say sorry first and V for feeling guilty that he hurt Jin’s pride.
@@CelineV95 In Korean culture age matter with regards to respect.
@@jessicapark5603 and it was not even jin's fault in the first place, there is a video analysis on the fight on youtube and it was tae who went further than his spot which messed with his timing but he blamed jin in front of everyone
@@anushkasharma-df1mlery true. V is just a mannerless brat. I really hate V since Run BTS Ep2...no manners at all. And then this scene where V attacking Jin makes me to hate V more and more.
When I first saw this clip, I broke down when Jin expressed he has a darker/depressed side because it’s so rare he gets this vulnerable & open. I can only imagine how self aware he is in everything he does in order to make the mood lighter & help other members feel better. And some of those times at the expense of taking care of himself first.
This is why i started liking Jin..He is so humble. He is amazing human being. I'm so proud that he is my bias. I love you Jin.❤❤❤
This is video is what caused me to stan BTS without hearing a song yet. My therapist and I were working on re-evaluating my relationships and setting healthy boundaries. I realized that I needed more examples of healthy relationships and around this time I was watching Hwarang. I googled V’s character to learn his real name and this was the first video that popped up so I watched it and was completely AMAZED that 2 had a disagreement but all 7 men sat in a room and discussed it and no one was rude or disrespectful or took offense to what others said (from my American point of view). After that I HAD to know more about them and fell down the BTS rabbit hole. That was over 3 years ago and I’m thankful I did.
Thanks for sharing your story!
What an incredible origin story as an ARMY. Thank you for sharing.
Wow! It's the same for me! This whole episode of Burn the Stage impressed me so much that I have fallen in love with them having heard just a couple of their songs at that point. It's was not only the conflict resolution per se that did it for me, but also what other boys had to say about it in their individual interviews. I especially remember Yoongi's words about how the closer the relationship, the more important the mutual respect is. That just hit home for me 💜
Wow, really discover Bts when we need them. I hope you are doing well now...
Oh wow You really went and took the BACK door into the magic shop huh??
Amazing! Such a cool way to be introduced to BTS. Thanks for sharing 💜
The way they both grew since then and their bond became much stronger, i still remember the time where Taehyung made Jin a special birthday gift, he messaged all his friends and told them to film a "happy birthday" message to Jin, he edited all of them together and sent it to Jin, he said he was really touched on his live especially when it was at a time Jin was kinda anxious about growing old...
Taejin always care about each other, Tae doesn't like when jin talks down about himself or doubts his talents, he's always there to remind jin that "he's the best dancer" that "he's the most beautiful person" to "stop saying he's old, He's at a blooming age". Same goes for jin when when Tae needs love he'd hug him to sleep, and give him a push of confidence when needed, just like when jin said "Blue & Grey" was his favorite, and it was Tae's original song.
I can totally say all the members have a soft spot for taehyung, and they treat him like their little brother which they call their "happiness preacher", even jungkook who's younger sometimes gives Tae advices, and over the years you can also notice how Tae grew as a person, and his love for the members grew just as much. Same for jin who they all love and respect a lot, he took a lot of care of them and taught them many things, I know for a fact that they miss him a lot now that he's in m!litary with hobi.
Sorry for the long message, thank you for your reaction, hope you get to see more beautiful compilations about how much they love each other too💜
As Tae grew up and turned staggeringly beautiful and started to win "most handsome man" competitions, I love that he was always so careful to insist that Jin is the most handsome.
@@evantesseract737 Yes, he always was careful as you said to not take that away from Jin, even when outsiders kept mentioning his Handsome titles and his beauty. He always let Jin keep going with "I said I'm WWH- it's ok if I'm not World's Most Handsome, ha".
@@carasss7775 I just love these men so much 💜
I think Tae and Jin understands each other's vulnerabilities better than the others. Jin is someone who always uses self deprecating humor to deal with any situation. But deep down it must've taken a lot of mental strength to get over the things that he found flawed in himself. And for Tae, he was always referred to be the weird one, an alien who couldn't communicate well verbally with others because of his unique way of speaking. No matter how comfortable he is now, that must've affected him a lot when he was younger. He always doubted his efforts and hard work. Maybe that's why he was hurt when he was told that he was making a big deal out of that argument as he himself doubted himself. I think sharing these vulnerabilities openly in front of each other really helped them build a stronger bond. And I'm so glad they became closer than ever. The fact that Tae adjusted his schedule and flew all the way from Mexico just to see Jin off to the military was the proof that they're family no matter what.
@@carasss7775 "let jin keep" like jin needs permission???
I find it very interesting too, since you mentioned RM stepping in as the leader, that he also is under the context of age difference here, Jin is still the oldest of the group RM Being the youngest of the Hyung line (the older brothers line) Jin still followed the instruction instead of dismissing him for being younger cuz he could have totally used that excuse as Koreans, I've seen it lol but he didn't and that's what I also find really nice.
Nice point.. Thanks
I love the humility of Jin.
Exactly… RM is respected as a leader by everybody. Jin and Suga don’t challenge his authority when he is leading. That’s one of the forever signs of health of BTS.
I love the two of you reacting together.
I'm always amaze by seokjin. Like from the video performance, jin never wrong but he apologize first also he always the first person to comfort member everytime.
Sad but Amaze at jin even he doing nothing wrong he still be humble and apologize
What's really awesome about this is that now Taehyung's number one defender of Jin whenever he is hard on himself or trying to downplay his own talents..
And Jin always try to make sure Tae is speaking his mind when someone talks over him or makes a joke about something he said or doing... both learned of that conversation and we see it till now
Thank you, we really need people like you who use their brains before judging people and sending hate instead of understanding the full picture of the situation.
@@SweetHeart-dn2my I never understood the hate this clip generates, like they shared it with us so we learn how to express ourselves and resolve conflicts in healthy way, it's not the only fight any of the memebers had and won't be the end of it, it was never shared to create a war about who's right and who's wrong but shared to learn by example
@@MrKaibaoh The purpose of this clip is to learn to resolve the conflict in a healthy way you are right, but some of the toxic army turned the content of this clip into an excuse to attack Tae, insult him and drag him daily and accuse him of being intentionally attacking Jin. Unfortunately, this clip is available on several channels on RUclips, and if you read the comments, you can see that most of fans are insulting Tae, because of that Tae and Jin daily received hate, sorry for my bad English
@@SweetHeart-dn2my your English is great, it's not my first language either...
The people sending hate will always send hate, they hang on a hurt that's so old ignoring everything both of them did to the other, the way Tae makes sure Jin is appreciated, how he got into 16 hour flight just to send him off, everytime Jin is hard on himself I count on Tae making sure he knows his worth.
Also the way Jin makes sure Tae is speaking his mind, the way he kept encouraging him when he was flipping the food while everyone was saying no to tae, or when he was cut while talking in the interview and said "it's my turn" it was jin the one who kept encouraging him saying yes it's your turn.
These 2 love each other and if people want to reduce their life to these moments, it's on them 🤷🏻♀️ their loss
Are you a new fan because Tae has always from day one been the first person to reassure Jin and defend him and the same goes for him. This argument was shocking to many because they’ve always stood in each others corners since debut and also humbling to watch because they are human, not perfect dolls.
From the very beginning it was decided that if there was a conflict that all the members would get together and help resolve it. That is why they were all there at the beginning. Then they walked away giving the guys some time to themselves to talk about it. Very respectful.
Jimin and V r bff from high school. V defended Jimin when he was bullied according to a comment I red a white back. Jimin is the one who comforts ppl. And is very diplomatic.
I am so impressed by how Jin handled the situation. He is so admirable. There is so much things to learn from him. He has so much love to give, its overflowing. For Tae, I know for sure he also learned something from him after this incident.
I believe, Nobody is perfect and corrections can be done with respect and gentleness. Correction is always for self improvement.
One of the many things i learnt from BTS is their way to handle unfavorable situation so beautifully. In their 12-13 years to being together, they have shown how a real communication should take place within family, couples, friends, siblings, colleagues, strangers.
Real maturity.
Yoongi said often in the interviews that at the beginning they clashed all the time. 7 boys who were one day suddenly put into one space and told to form a group. Complete strangers, right??? Look at their bond now. They're basically a family of different blood. Love this for them.💜💜
BTS is a master class on group conflict management and resolution. They've used the same method of resolution since they debuted, and I think it's one of the things that's contributed to their family-like closeness. Even if a conflict is between only two members, they all talk it out as a group, and then let the members involved in the conflict talk more after that to finish clearing the air. I think it's contributed to their mutual respect of each other, and their ability to truly support each other in their individual endeavors, because they've had more than a decade of openness and learning to understand each other.
The point you missed I guess for cultural reasons, in Asian culture the elder is always right. You are trained to apologise to your older siblings/people/whoever, nomatter who is wrong. So coming from that, it's kind of a big deal that Jin came forward and said sorry.
My personality would not conform to that rule. Ain't no way in the world I would apologize when I'm not in the wrong. I don't care if it's my mother or grandmother.
@@babytooty04 well sometimes u gotta be the bigger person just like Jin was
@@babytooty04 thats funny cause jin was confirmed to not be in the wrong and he still apologized in the heat of the fight, it shows how much of a real man he is
@@YoungForever7168 Mehh being the bigger person isn't always gonna work. Sometimes you just gotta stand up for yourself and what you believe is right, even if going against your family.
@@GoldenWreckmaybe you don’t know many cultures… I call it selfish … Jin acted like a real man …. Strong minded … that’s why bts is respected…
I really feel that Jin tried to resolve the situation prior to them going onstage in any way he could. He said he took it as a joke, but it didn't appear that way at all. I really think he was trying to take the high road so their performance that night wouldn't be affected. They learned at a young age how to work out their differences with respect to keep the group strong and to keep resentment to a minimum. Max I always enjoy your reactions and Uncle Harley's perspectives are a great addition. Thank you.
The joke part was cut, he tried to joke it away and that what made it backfire with Tae, cause he took it as Jin dismissing what he said... I'm so glad they opened up about what makes the other tick early on and actually seeing them working through it over the years
I don't think Jin is the type to offer a fake apology like that, since it shows a disregard to Tae's feelings and that he apologized just to apologize, it would have offended Tae as well
“So many lessons we can learn from these guys”
One of their many gifts to the world is to share a variety of sides of their experience w/ us.
Love watching you guys watch them
The fact that Hobi was eagle eyed during that performance to see where the issue was..
We love your Uncle …Jin and V grew even closer after this…I like what Suga said “ Things like respect are more important the closer you are”
Closer because Hybe use fan service to solve it when they know V was wrong
@@HopeFree-qk4fk What do you want Tae to do? How about leaving BTS? Taehyung is the most popular member because of his genuine and affectionate personality. But he made a very wrong choice to join BTS
@@BorahaeVante confess his mistakes
Because of this argument Jin and V made a big effort to better understand each other and are now much closer than they were before! As an ARMY who has been with BTS since 2016 I really felt the difference in their interactions after this event! So amazing to see!
PD Bang said he didn't mind people seeing them in conflict, but also wanted to show they are not perfect and how they cope and work things out. What was amazing is that the others stayed out of the conversation behind the stage too, to let them converse. One other thing is Jimin and V always stick up for each other and cover each other so he did well in loving both of them in the after-conversation. After this discussion, they changed up the moves a little and kinda do it differently every time remembering to have fun.
It must be hard for RM in times like this. He's the leader but he's also their friend and basically like a brother. Not the oldest, he's right in the middle. So it would take a lot of tact to figure out when to put on the leader hat and use his authority.
Agree
Between V and Jin in this conflict where V started it off, RM has chosen his bias..and it's V. Only JIMIN is a pro here. jimin speak up his mind as a true leader and at the same time a brother and a friend.
@@My_Innermost_Me begone solo stan
@@My_Innermost_Meой не смеши😂...Чимин лидер...Он просто хитро принял сторону Джина, поскольку тот старше, а соответственно - прав всегда согласно корейскому менталитету
@@My_Innermost_Me where do he pick sides? Because he comforted V when he cried? That isn't picking sides, that is knowing how to handle different personalities
I love the part that Suga said that fighting is not a bad thing. It is really a healthy way of keeping the relationship. The key is to have a respectful and good natured way of fighting. It would allow us to listen more and explain truthfully our issues instead of putting up defenses and listen to counter the other's take on the matter. Good job Bangtan! Always love Uncle Harley 💜💜💜
I really admire Jin in this conflict resolution, conflict happens since we are all imperfect, but it really impressed me how Jin reacted.
As an older sibling myself, I can say it does feel like pulling teeth to apologize to a younger sibling, especially, given the context…for something I felt I wasn’t in the wrong for.
But Jin put others first in this situation and acted very mature. He put V’s feelings first. I am also one to be lighthearted if I feel it’s a non-issue, and increase conflict, but I learnt a lot from Jin in this.
He took the first step, apologized for his actions, and you can see the impression it had on V. Jin is actually very mature and selfless, and although the members joke that he’s the “maknae”, his maturity shines in serious moments like these.
I especially see Jins older brother side come out with Jimin, their friendship is beautiful and it makes sense why Jimin would be the one for the final conflict resolution in the end. I really feel like Jimin sees Jin’s almost “inner” personality and respects him like his older brother.
I learnt a lot of lessons about this conflict. It reminds me that in a conflict it’s about making peace and not about proving who’s right. No wonder Bangtan is so close.
they have shared before that they always made sure to try resolve all conflicts before the night ends so it was nice to see all 7 gathered, heard the opinions on both sides and reached an understanding together. i think their way of never avoiding the sensitive topics play a huge role in why they're so tight knitted today! i think it's also why many armys relate to their music too because they're very brave with their vulnerability
Idk why, but Jimin casually brushing his teeth, while Jin & V are having a big conflict is always funny to me. It also kinda shows that those issues had happened plenty of times before and they worked it out every time
Fr I always laugh at that because I can relate so much because I am typically in that position when other friends possibly have an argument. Just knowing that you and others in the friend group will help discuss it to solve the issue it just takes a moment to breath and debrief.
I learned a lot about human emotions and communication skills by watching you guys. (I am neurodivergent and most of the time, i am inside of my head and has difficulty in reading social cues so i want to learn and be more communicative). I learned a lot abt the tannies too, and we, the viewers, could use these knowledge to widen our intra and inter personal skills. In their earlier days, the boys and the rest of the creative team behind them with the ceo and producers had a sort of ritual where they shout whatever grievances they felt. It was held in their buildings rooftop and I feel that other companies did not have that kind of team-building activities and i really want to know what you guys think about that. Thanks and borahae!!
Oh yeah! That was shown in Rookie King series, right? They should react to that one 😂
@@WE__BTS yep, it was hilarious
@@WE__BTS max did see it in one of the lives of Patreon
Jin😢❤
Instead of lecturing and saying empty words they stand up as role models by sharing these types of interactions. So much can be learnt from just watching their dynamics. That’s why their bond with ARMY keeps getting stronger and stronger.
Humble Jin❤️
Also notice that when leaving the green room. Jin is still unsettled despite apologizing to his maknea. But Min Yoongi is there at the door and puts a comforting hand on him as they leave. I've often seen RM is the fatherly figure but SUGA is the motherly one. I don't mean in a feminine way... but that he pays attention to emotions and notices things the others don't sometimes. I like the video later when they are at the hotel where Jin and Taehyng/V address it further and the thing about age does come up.
Jin is such a good soul. The way he apologized first is so humble. I feel what he is saying at the end. People who always seems to be funny and happy, hide their sad feelings. Jin does hide his sad side and acts goofy to make army happy which is so selfless.
7:55 RM's calm, reasonable response remembered Jin to his responsibility as the elder. One must never forget the cultural background and in Korea the eldest of a group bears the greatest responsibility. That's why Jin gave in and tried to de-escalate the situation as well.
What your uncle said....grown adults in meetings are barely able to handle disagreements without letting their egos run wild....so seeing them behave so maturely.....with calm clarity even during conflicts....is testament of their characters. But most importantly, their dedication to make the team better as they better themselves is so impressive. Many are talented in this world....but there is reason why BTS enjoys this unmatched fame & loyalty. You guys were as usual amazing......Uncle Harley complimenting you in the middle of the video was a very sweet moment. Thanks for your hard work. Looking forward to whatever you guys have planned :)
Thank you for your thoughtful analysis of BTS. I love BTS as performers but even more as people. They give me hope for humanity.
Thank you for the video ...I love them all for different reasons But jin ooohhh jin i think is the reason why they are so selfless and chaotic and free .Jin is the oldest and in Korea this is a huge thing but jin never used the oldest card to the members.he was the first to apologize and this is so sweet and lovely about him and he is the most chaotic in run bts or when they are out of performance .he brings joy and freedom to all the members .I love him so much 💜♾️
Usually the comment section under this clip is all about who's fault it was reading the choreo, letting go of the main reason why this clip was even aired...
It was never about choreo all of them make mistakes during the choreo, this is about learning how to communicate & resolve issues.. you think that's the only fight BTS had behind the scenes?? 😅😅😅 I assure it isn't.
What's so special about this one that made them adding it to their documentary is the way both of them opened up and to show us that with the correct guidance and support we can actually overcome any conflicts we have... I hope one day the bitter comments under this clip understand that people fight, I bet u did this week too 👀🫠
That's true.....
Right
Conflict is natural where there are people but the beauty of it is how its resolved. Tae made a mistake without knowing and actually taught it was jin who did, and he innocently wanted to correct jin but it escalated as Jin was not at fault. At the end, both felt bad, and resolved the issues.
But why is Taehyung massively hated by Jin stans for 7 long years?
@@BorahaeVante because some people just love h*ting others, some are jealous of him and some just like putting people down to feel good. At the end of the day what matters is that Jin and V resolved the issue and have grown above that. They + the rest only have each other. And they know it, fans come and go, people jump fandoms and ship all the time but what stays constant are real friends and family. And I believe they won't throw it away for anything.
@@BTS-Sommy Just now a Jin solo said that Tae couldn't have succeeded on his own without 6 members. According to Army, Tae has only visuals (or many dare to say that he is vgly). Armys always underrate him. We're so tired of this fandom
@@BorahaeVante my dear, don't listen to the solo's as a person talent speaks for them. Visual is a talent in itself not everyone can pull it off. Talk more of performing which V is extremely good at. Singing baritone and dancing is his forte too as we can see from him and Bada lee videos. His name is also a talent in itself so let it speak for him. Outside of BTS, nobody knows what all of them will be as it is BTS that built and shape who they are now. So my dear please ignore solo's and love all members as they have always loved each other. Okay
I love Jimin's maturity, selflessness, consideration and wisdom...in other videos Jhope and Jin said that Jimin is like an older brother, RM said Jimin is lkke a grandparent parent,
In my research, before BTS, Jimin was 9 years class president, top student in Busan Arts School...all levels of students would join the orientation to see who the top student would be every year and it's Jimin..he studied hiphop, popping, modern dance, ballet and contemporary dance. He is a black belter in taekwondo before other members, he trained in Kendo for 8 years, he received a scholarship to study Chinese martial arts, and he also trained in Hapkido.
He joined the billiards club, robotics club, soccer club, he is good in basketball, science, he is a math genius so he sometimes substituted as a student teacher in class, he is also good in snorkelling, skating, gymnastics.
Right now he is the only BTS member who received the highest award in military training for top trainee, in addition like Jin and Jhope, Jimin received the Special Warrior award-good in IQ, physical strength, military strategy, etc.
In one exercise he led his own group in the military and he was selected to join the elite Fire Detection Center that has only 5 members.
He was the original member who received the label of most popular in Korea, king of duality, itboy, king of kpop, angel, dance god, jimjn effect, once you jimiin you can't jimout
In the Korean Gallip award (for most popular idol in SK) Jimin won the award several years until Gallup stopped.
In the most prestigious award in SK called Brand Reputation Rankings, Jimin received 1st place 45 times and 30 plus times consecutively. No other idol has defeated him. Korea is very critica of selecting the idol they support and beleive in and Jimin is most loved in Korea, he is also known as Prince of Busan.
You will always har other members saying they are jealous during Jimin's birthday. Both Korean and international fans have celebrated Jimin's birthday extravagantly, creatively more than any other fans. One of the hifts for Jimin is a star named after him, then the lighting of Burj Kalifa for Jimin, Eiffel Tower, Russian hisyorical monuments all lighted for Jimin, fans produced songs dedicated for Jimjn, fans donated millions in Jimin's name for different causes, first airplane carrying Jimin's image in the outside design of the plane, this was copied by bts the group and other fans, hundreds of creative and extravagant gifts have been organized for so many years for Jimin..
Other members you will find weird videos edited, called angle of rotation, with subplots that never happened, it happened in their mind that there is love story between 2 members...but they dont stream or buy their songs, Jimin's fans support , will go to ends of the earth to support Jimin ...always, Jimin is no longer in rivalry with other bts members he is now conpeting against US artists , like Billie Ellish, Taylor Swift and the weekend
I love it when you have Uncle Harley on - his input is so interesting! These videos are so different from other reactors, please continue to have him on. I’m really enjoying your channel.
RM é um ótimo líder, podemos ver isso, mas, a humildade do Jin me impressiona. Jin, não estava errado, não estava dizendo que nao tentaria, apenas coloca sua verdade ali.
Tae fue cruel con Jin , tb fue pesado en el run de decoración no quería estar en el equipo de jin para decorar una habitación.
@@SusanaSepulveda-cc7te🤕
@@SusanaSepulveda-cc7te Tae is cruel to your bias? You are an ungrateful akgae for Tae shows the most encouragement and love to your Jin more than any other member. Just say you're a Latin Tae anti and leave him alone
I felt really bad for Jin in this situation . Jin was not even the one who made the mistake, it was actually V. And even though Jin is not wrong , even though he is the oldest he still apologized . And everyone consoled V only, only a staff member went for jin and consoled him. That' s sad. . Just because Jin is the oldest doesn 't mean that he wouldn ' t feel sad or get hurt. Jin was hurt but didnt show it just for the guys. What a pure soul....
I disagree I don’t think anyone picked sides Jin is well respected in the group. They both moved on and they both got into an argument and resolved it I don’t agree with making Jin the victim no one patted V on the back
Actually I also at times feel sorry for Jin coz at times they him for granted because he is cheerful and think he doesn't get hurt
I too agree they all going to v … that’s why out of all the bts members he is a little difficult to understand always pampered a lot
Stop victimizing Jin please. Taehyung is so hated for such a minor conflict that he should leave BTS!!! Tae is way more loved outside the fandom, he should go solo
@@BorahaeVante Because Jin is the victim in this situation . And who you are to decided which path should V choose lol. He didnt come this far just on his own skills . It was a team work. If there was no other six members V wouldn 't have succeeded this much anyway . Even V know it himself lol. So come out on your delulu mind . You are living in a fantasy ...🤦
That argument and the way they solved it is what made me fall in love with BTS, they are an example worth following
this incident was quite a long time ago, even now v is the one who often defends jin because sometimes jin lacks confidence, but v is always at the forefront of the example during a concert in las Vegas when his hand injured, jin felt like he was a burden but v stood up for him and said nothing should be a burden.
This is because V felt guilty because he was wrong and he let Seokjin apologize and take the blame . Please he should feel bad
Please go and find out who was wrong in this argument. V moved further away than he did the first night in Spring Day . With V so far away Jin had to run to meet V at the new set point thus preventing him from running back to the group in time .
@@HopeFree-qk4fk this problem is over taehyung and jin have concern for each other, they just don't care about it anymore,, why are you looking for trouble, who is wrong, are you a hater taehyung, hater
@@nikonikoni8479 I love Tae but watch your words why do you think Jin is shown in this way. Nothing is ever forgotten when Army don’t forget .
@@HopeFree-qk4fk RM stated on live V and RM have a rebellious nature it's just that V is very visible Rm no, V it's very blatant when he doesn't like it, but that's his pure nature he doesn't like to cover up lies
Why did you skip Jin's opinion part? Jin said if he moved faster he could not fit the beat on time. That is also a important part.. but you skipped...
he obviously watched the whole video weirdo
I love your reactions with your uncle👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
The eldest got more authority but at the same time responsibility..
Jin is the amazing eldest.
And all other 6 members respect him very much.💜💜💜💜
Seeing this, I was too nervous to actually watch it. Coz the first time I watched this, it made me cry and anxious. Jin is my ultimate bias now (Yoongi is my long time wrecker). But Tae was my first bias when I got in BTS, so he's very special to me too. So seeing them between this conflict really saddened me.
But I loved watching this right now hearing yours and your uncle's pov's. One thing I'm thankful for that these guys became this good in communicating their feelings was that Bang PD nurtured, trained and raised them this way. He's the one who imposed that they talk about conflicts altogether.
Our boys are real men for being like this. They're just so admirable. Now I miss Jin so much more, and miss them all together.
Thanks for this vid 💜
I have seen a video where it shows that V's position was farther than usual which made it more difficult for them to go to their next position. That's why it used to take Jin faster before and it seemed it took longer that time for Jin to go to their next position. It wasn't Jin's fault.
Finally someone who knows!! Jin has a big heart he apologized first even tho its not his mistake
It wasn't really about who's fault it was as Jimin said, it's all about the way of communication, Taehyung's words sounded harsh to Jin and Jin tendency to make a joke out of serious situations sounded offending and dismissive to Tae... this is the part that made the conflict a conflict
Thank you for defending Jin the truth must be told
@@MrKaibaoh nope V fault yes Jin should joke about it because V was not taking responsibility.
@HopeFree-qk4fk no sweetheart when u talk seriously and someone make a joke out of it that's bad form, and Jin did apologise for it and acknowledged it is a fault,, I hope u don't do this irl cause u gonna get in real trouble and alienate people around u if u started joking when they are getting serious about something
Oh thank you so much for this video!!💜 really love you two
If Jin pulls himself down at times, for his dancing or anything for that matter.. V is the first one to shut him up and goes on to say that thats not true.
See some TaeJin moments to how much they love and care about each other ! 💜
Loved this analysis :)
It was cute to see that Jimin was kind of hovering at the door when they were alone together, making sure that things were okay. Thanks for the reaction, and for having Uncle Harley back. 😊
While it was nice that he wanted to check on their conversation, I think that he should have left like the other members. They had already done the group talk and at that time, it was for Jin and V to sort out their own feelings about the situation. Additionally, on one hand, he reminded Taehyung that Jin is his elder, but he felt secure enough to tell them their talk needed to end. Also, Jin seemed like he wanted to go deeper into his feelings before the interruption. Maybe that's why he said, "Stop butting in." V even suggested they finish the talk later over drinks. Listen, I adore BTS for so many reasons, as a group and each individual member. Their content has, surprisingly, gotten me through a very tough period in my life, so each one has a special place in my heart. His involvement in their one on one just confused me. 💜
@@anditisstillme at first i agreed, but i also think that because it was so late and they needed rest, jimin was genuinely trying to get them out of there so they didn’t sit there talking for hours about feelings.
@@anditisstillme i agree for the most part, i think its just that jimin is extremely close to both jin and tae and saw that the convo probably would be better continued without a camera later on hence the 'lets get some rest, your promised each other to have a drink later'
Actually it wasn't about who was wrong or right here ...the pressure is so much such things are inevitable ..but the thing is how nicely they resolve such conflicts .
V was wrong and Jin got lot of hate . So yea it’s about who was wrong
@@HopeFree-qk4fk he wasn't wrong ...I have seen many people like you blame him ...he wasn't even trying to pick fight but honestly saying something ..but because they were all stressed things got complicated ... You clearly have never been in such position ...and Jin never got hate .. it's opposite ..v got a lot of hate and still gets for it till this day ...
@@iampigoinkoink5185 yes he was wrong and Seokjin is still living with the hate from army
@@iampigoinkoink5185 wait why is your name am a pig oink oink . Do you hate Seokjin because you must really do . Change your name and come talk to me 🤣🤣🤣
@@HopeFree-qk4fk wow, you’re toxic. Maybe uncle Harley can give you some therapy and teach you how to be kinder, more forgiving, and avoid holding grudges and judging people you don’t know and situations you were not a part of.
I am not Jin but knowing Jin’s personality I feel like in this situation he is like, let’s just do what we practiced Im doing’s my best already. Please know this happened minutes before the show and they have rehearsals before that. Jin dont like heavy environment so I think he is trying to joke about it to make it light but it out it became salty.
I think what disappointment me most I am sorry to say is that people are still playing this video. I am not sure if you realise Max but it caused a lot of controversy at the time because of how it was shown and edited for the documentary. Jin received a tremendous amount of hate mail from V’s fans for supposedly making V cry. This caused a retaliatory reaction from Jin’s fans which caused a sort of fan war. Each blaming the other member for the argument and hate going both ways. It was proven the next day that the actual performance in the discussion that V had roamed much further than normal that night making it difficult for Jin to run back to his place. This is what V noticed but was unaware it was because he had gone too far and not that Jin was too slow and it was discussed on how to make that part smoother. The problem is every time someone reviews it the same old arguments manifest and new army watch it and jump to the same conclusion and the hate cycles start again. For this reason I wish people would not review it. They only show partial clips of the argument so no one knows really what was said and only partially how it was resolved and leaving viewers to assume Jin was mainly at fault for being weak at dancing and unable to accept criticism and V just trying to better the performance instead of the truth which would have been known but not discussed in the documentary.It is in my opinion a very badly edited view of the argument designed to show how BTS resolve their problems without caring on how the members were represented. Jin being the man he is once again swallowed all this and just got on with it and we are just lucky that he is resilient
Jin was wronged. He didn't deserve any of the hate. He is always the bigger person. Period.
Y'all act as if the hate V get from Jin stan because of this is small, even when everyone already moved on & you still find jins stan hating V because of this, idk why but jin stan has always boner hate against V all the damn time, V get hate bcs he act first instead of jin, V gets hate because he is called handsome or his visual get praised, and V still get hate bcs of this incident until now, actually the hate V receiving its not comperable bcs he always gets hate from the dumb sht, even his rbf face, ppl just very judgingmental towards him bcs they can't understand him and always putting their own narrative against him
@@yacchan830 This is what I am talking about it brings these issues up! In actual fact I don’t hate V I love him as much as the rest of the band,his voice is the reason I became an Army! Hate is received from both sides! Bothe sides get jealous when one gets called handsome or wins awards for their looks when in actual fact they are both handsome. V acted first and was most suitable for that part because of his youth, Jin would have been to manly for that part. In dramas that counts. We all know Jin has been offered parts as well, whether he has not been given the opportunity or did not want them no one knows but we all know that producers and directors are waiting for both of them to act. What difference does it make who acted first? You see this is what fan wars are all about and bringing this argument up constantly just fuels them. Instead of fighting with each other protest to the people who keep bringing up the argument that they both want people to forget as they have!
@@alwenawillis8813 agree that solo stans from both sides were being needlessly horrible to the guys, esp over smt TaeJin have well moved long past of. Ppl need to stop saying that either was at fault when it was just a series of misunderstandings and a stage marking issue that was easily resolved and clearly did not hurt their relationship.
The whole thing was just to show how open and considerate the members are to each other on an individual and group level. The members love and care abt each other, so any so-called fan, solo or ARMY, sets a poor example when they can't be respectful to every members.
A little off topic bc this has nothing to do with your main point, but V acted bc the director specifically made a character based off him and wanted him in the drama.
And Jin has stated his focus has been mostly on singing. He even got a vocal coach not part of the company for it. And considering that he certainly has quite a bit of friends in the Korean acting community, I don't doubt he had offers. But he said last year that he wasn't sure if he actually wanted to pursue acting anymore bc he was able to gain a bunch of experiences and learn a lot of new things (his stated reason for acting) as a member of BTS.
@@em5522 Yes I agree the part was perfect for V and I know now that Jin is not as interested in pursuing his acting career but I do hope in the future he will. So many high profile people want him to so that is saying something. Maybe being in the military will make him prioritise his career in different ways but I think his heart is in variety, though I think it’s only natural he will pursue acting at some time. He will concentrate on his music first then variety then acting I think. It would be a shame if he didn’t as he is so natural and can convey emotion in his face and voice like no other. Actually they have all got pretty good at acting over the years. 💜
I don't consider myself an army but this was the first video I watched of them and made me realize how genuine they are as a group.
I appreciated that you explained to your uncle that SK has a different view of elders. One year or more and you have to be respectful. However, maybe the way you all see it from your point of view...not SKorean...you'll see both of them as being respectful. But what you missed or maybe you said it in the longer version, is that the fact that Jimin HAD to mention it meant that V was a bit disrespectful to Jin in bringing it out the way he did. And in the video you see the members going to talk to V more than Jin...why? Not because they care more for him than Jin but because of the respect for elders and maybe because V needed to tone it done a bit more than Jin. We can see Jin apologizing first but V didn't...so the members still needed to talk to him more. Tae is a character all on his own, apart from his V persona, so he needs to be listened to and if he's not, he gets upset. Because he could have also let it go when Jin said he's doing the best he could but he didn't. Jin could have also said ok V I'll try harder...but when you're doing your best it's tough to hear someone say it's not good enough. And as he said...from someone younger hurt his pride!
Also your uncle recognized RMs leadership, which is awesome. Because no one questions his role in the group. I also commend Jin because he could have said ok and moved away but he took the opportunity to apologize!!! He took the blame on himself immediately and that's who Jin is!
That's just my thoughts lol. I enjoy your videos btw and love your love for our boys ❤😊
💯 👏
One other thing I noticed, the other members did not interject while the conflict was happening. That would have caused more damage, sides being taken etc. it may be something they decided to do early on. But something I wish more families would do that!❤😂
I find psychology so interesting so I love hearing your Uncle's interpretations. I've really been enjoying the two of you reacting/analysing together and always look forward to the videos 💜
Amazing behaviour from Jin. ❤He is the oldest and commands a huge amount of respect by the nature of his age. Everyone in Korea lives this way, but Jin doesn't use the "age card" very much at all.
He stepped forward to apologize (we can't know exactly what happened) and put his hand on V's shoulder. Although it may not have been enough for V at the time.
Jin showed great maturity...the outside culture may have seen it as a sign of weakness, apologizing after being talked to that way by a younger person. I feel it took great character strength....even when his own feelings were hurt.
Love you Jin and V. 💜💜
Love you Leader RM 💜
Love you BTS 💜💜💜💜
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True, each of them has his own imperfections but because they are together, they fill each other's imperfections. When one is getting wayward, there are 6 members who are there to pull him back. Their character and disposition complement the group not just professionally but in dealing with each other on a more personal level. They are really people who we can emulate. I love them so much, they make me a better person.
Regarding the camera presence, they personally decided to show the bad moments so that fans are not disillusioned about them being perfect. That fans can learn from these difficult moments too.
Both v and Jin are great actors🎉
loved how they worked it out well together and jin and taehyung’s relationship was never strained bc of this. they probably got even closer and they’re such a great duo, i’m glad they worked it out well
I'm just so grateful to Bang PD for training them how to manage their emotions and how to deal with each other from the beginning. No matter how we say these boys have good personalities, conflicts are inevitable part of living together all these years. They're not perfect. In fact, they've told us of instances of childish arguments when they were still trainees, but through the years they were able to master how to deal with disagreements and conflicts, thanks to Bang PD's guidance. And now we all know how they love and care for each other so much they found it difficult to live separately.
@@nobodyzzz9832 OP was not saying bang pd was the “ultimate” reason why the boys get to resolve their conflicts healthily, it’s about the practice that bang pd imposed early on to the group to talk about the issue and resolve it within the day which obviously brings a positive outcome.
This is one of a lot of videos that made me love them even more. They resolved that issue in the most mature way possible. My boys are amazing.
I remember watching your reaction months ago and now hearing your uncle's perspective is awesome. Thank you for bringing him back
conflicts come and go but these boys' maturity to handle a very sensitive issue is commendable, other boy groups need to hear and watch this.
who was here for Uncle Harley? 😉
but without jokes: I always liked to watch your videos, Max, but your interaction with your uncle is really nice to watch. the way you can see how much you love each other and appreciate each other. thank you for showing us is this side too, along with your great analysis 💜
just wanna add that i also appreciate jimin at the very end making sure Jin and V ended the night on a lighthearted note cuz as much as things got resolved, the first few moments after can still feel a bit awkward & the healing wound is still tender. so jimin subtly making sure to 'put some balm' on Jin and V is so so appreciated ~ :') u can tell jimin was worried about them and wants to make sure everyone is okay again with each other, just as much as the each member does.
I also wanted to add this as well I truly appreciated Jimin in this. You can see how much he cares.
im tired of this fight and this narrative, some people here are saying jn gets sensitive when it comes to dancing skils because he didn't come from a dancing background but if you've seen the ACTUAL video of the stage that day, he didn't make any mistakes he was in the right position, i really dont know why v decided to blame it on him and disrespect him that way (you know how the korean are about age etc...)
Guys, I love your love. I mean you too seems so close to each other and proud of each other. It’s joyful☺️🫶🏽💕
Uncle Harley who is a V bias, love him ❤❤
Love uncle Harvey for that
This was one of the earliest videos I remember seeing when I was getting into BTS. I remember being very impressed by how they handled conflict resolution at such a young age. As Uncle Harley said, we see full grown adults all the time who are completely incapable of resolving issues without succumbing to pettiness, name-calling or other aggressions. This is definitely a key to their success and longevity. Many groups over the years have broken up because of the massive egos of 1 or 2 members so seeing them handle these issues so maturely and from a place of love is so refreshing and lovely to see.
Can't wait for more of ur reactions to bts 💜
That's why BTS are great model for people, specially for youth. I liked that we got to see them in these situations.
For me, I liked BTS, but then I loved them more, not because of their happy playful moments, and times of success, but because of how they dealt with the hardships and difficult times. That's what made me feel connected to them but inspired too. They can make you learn from no matter if you're older or younger than them.
I remember how Taehyung cried when Jin gave a speech when they won MAMA award in 2018 saying that they were going to disband, how Jungkook hugged Taehyung, and how RM was comforting them, Jhope cried and they all were so emotional. The fans were shocked when they heard about that, but it just shows how much hardships they went through as a group together, but we don't hear about most of it. They are so strong and kind to one another.
Thank you for making this video!
Great video! thank you Max and uncle Harley! BTS members are so mature, humble and down to earth, that’s why they have won us over, besides their amazing talent of course!
They are a family after all. They have already had several conflicts, but always respecting each other and strengthening their friendship. 💜
Your conversations with Uncle Harley are great. Thank you for inviting him into the BTS discussion to share his point of view about healthy communication skills. The positivity in your videos motivates me to try harder and be more supportive with the words I say. 😊💜
I laughed out loud cos the first thing I noticed was Jimin brushing his teeth too hahahahaha
Max es de los pocos creadores de contenido que reaccionan a BTS que continuo viendo porque realmente siento su sinceridad y respeto por ellos💜
I’m late to the party, but I just discovered your channel and I’m so glad I did! Your video reactions are completely different from the rest of the BTS reactions on RUclips. I love the idea of analyzing their communication with eachother!
Here’s my perspective: People really need to stop criticizing or blaming one of the members. I wouldn’t even call this an argument, but more of a misunderstanding. I see so many comments blaming V and calling him selfish and disrespectful; when really anyone who is ot7 would know what a genuine and kind soul he is.
I think it’s important to note that besides being the oldest, Jin also has always struggled with dancing and has worked REALLY hard to get to where he is now. That makes him truly admirable. I think he felt hurt because A)He is older and B)He was frustrated because he was trying his best. I think he felt like he was being criticized by his younger member, even though that was never Tae’s intentions.
On the other hand, it’s also important to note that V was kept hidden before their debut which has really made a mark on him. V is extremely pure, genuine and honest with a child like behavior (as in innocent not immature); and thus, if you look back you’ll see that he was often dismissed and disregarded because of that. You can tell he felt hurt as he said “he did not take me seriously when I was trying to be serious”. I think he felt small as he was often not taken seriously by anyone in the past; even the members have admitted to struggling to understand him at the beginning. Although he carries himself confidently, I’ve always thought in the past, that he had a lot of deep rooted insecurities about himself and has worked equally as hard as the rest of the members. He admitted to that himself in an interview. He said that in the past, he felt very vulnerable and weak hearted that if someone threw a rock at him, he would be hurt and would dwell upon it. However, he said he does not feel that way anymore because his members have helped him gain confidence and learn how to get up if he’s pushed down. I think that’s heart warming👏
Of course, they’ve both moved on long ago from this incident; but I really do think that this misunderstanding stemmed from a place of insecurity. They’ve now both achieved amazing success as solos and have gained enough confidence in themselves. 💜💜
Jin said sorry because that is how who he really is not because RM or his boss says so. That what’s I thought at least
Yeah I actually think that too.
One of the many reasons why I love and admire them a lot. They're not afraid to show us this side of them. It's amazing to see how far they've come as a group. They're basically family now. 🥺
HUGE BTS fan💜 remember this incident so well when it happened. Bear in mind the immense pressure these young men lived under at the time,, its a credit to each of them, and their commitment to their world fans, that they were so successful for so long. Wonderful pearls of learning are pointed out here. I wish all 7 men from BTS, happiness, and support, for wherever their life journeys take them. May they always be surrounded by love.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I checked the choreo. Adjustment would have been easier for V in the choreo. Nevertheless, this occurrence made them closer, according to them. So I guess it had a good effect on them.
BTS are good communicators and I have learned so much from them personally. It’s amazing to see their individual personalities and their group dynamic. There’s so much to learn from them. Good discussion guys.
Interestingly, a fan cam showed that the stage was larger than usual on the night that they performed they are both talking about and V did go too far. But what was great was both of them put all that aside and worked out their relationship.
Pobrecito mi Jin.💔
Seeing this I think watching with him Festa 2022 will also be very interesting! I think that is the most vulnerable video that I have seen in a very long time and it is also beautiful. Loved your duo and the reaction. Thank you!