Abrams was among those who liberated Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge. The 101st said they didn't need rescuing, just more weapons, ammo, and other supplies, and they would have fought their way out. Abrams probably never forgot that snub.
As I recall the order that came down was to “deactivate “ the double agent; and the alleged trigger man was Denny(?) Marasco. Inconsequential sidelight; my lieutenant’s bars were pinned on by Col. Rheault’s replacement.
Yes that popped into my mind pretty soon into the video too. I have a long list of questions on Dericourt, SOE, Mi6, Abwehr and Kieffer I'd love to know the answers too. Given how many documents vanished, and all those involved being dead, I don't expect I ever will.
Under a great deal of political and economic pressure from Washington. When the Queen died much mention of every US President since Eisenhower had undertaken state visits, with one exception, Johnson. They got it at home too, from the left in their party for not publicly condemning the US, which as the principal ally of the America, the UK was not going to do. In private yes Healy advised against with his US counterpart. (Just as well they did not know about the intel provided from UK assets in SE Asia). In any case, there was a lower key campaign until 1966, the Indonesian Confrontation keeping UK/Commonwealth forces busy.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters the book is called "born twice" ignore the first 100 pages as it's about him growing up as a child. from I can remember a MACV-SOG mission recovered the vital enemy documents that named the spy. there was also plan by the 5th SF members to organise a jail break for those SF members who had been arrested. Abrams detested the SF guys and put his own people in some of their camps to spy on them. from what i have heard from unofficial sources some of the SF might also have been another fatal boat trip for Abrams if they convicted any of the SF men from 5th group but I haven't seen anything/evidence to back that up.
Yes, but the media was and is leftist. They go against anything that hurts leftist causes. Thus they were doing what they could to help the North Vietnamese and their Soviet partners.
Ed, this is another terrific look back at aspects of the Vietnam war. While I was too young to fully understand what was happening at the time, it's still something I (somewhat) remember from the newspapers and TV. A bit more has been filled in for me, thank you.
I know a Vietnam vet that worked for the NSA in Vietnam, except the name given to his organization in Vietnam, was given the name of "Military Intelligence" (As opposed to "Army intelligence". I may be getting the exact name of the agency wrong, so I apologize) The goal of this organization was to eliminate inter-service rivalry and provide accurate intelligence to all the services. This vet claimed when they captured Vietcong they "interrogated" them in pairs by taking them up in a helicopter and would threaten to shove one of the Vietcong out unless he talked. Of course, he wouldn't so he got shoved out. Then they took the copter higher and the remaining prisoner would of course talk, but then got shoved out anyway.
One of the problems with secretive units, whose existence is oftentimes necessary, is that they consist of human beings worried about careers, working without real guidelines. When humans are involved, you can bet they will screw it up.
Like any government agency, it will very likely turn to massive corruption and a breach of it's original intent if it's not held accountable and can't be fired. Very few trying to boost their careers will admit they messed up or breached ethics and guidelines.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Thanks mate. I couldn't remember if it was multi service or just Navy.. I know it kinda became the SEALs, but that's as far as my knowledge goes in the Vietnam era lol
Not discussed & probably not quantifiable, but I wonder how much closing Gamma (and I assume related programs of intel gathering) had on losing the Vietnam War?
Outstanding story! I rather enjoy a proper spy story! Nice shout out to the Delta chaps.... they need a boost sometimes.... hard being #2 to the baddest SF unit in the world today: JTF2.
The Vietnam War certainly was a dirty affair, the SF and the CIA basically doing whatever they wanted and getting away with it all, almost. But war is war and people die, not just the combatants but so many innocent people get caught up in it, but the other side of the coin is that they, the SF operators, were caught between a rock and a hard place, the CIA dictating what they were to do and the military brass not wanting them to exist, they could not win whatever they did, and the CIA walked away as soon as things got a bit sticky, a dirty war all round.
Delta isn't that squeaky clean either. _Just following orders_ has been heard to be said many times but that didn't work so well at a certain trial in 1945/46 did it.
![CENTRAL CEE - GEN Z LUV [VERTICAL VIDEO]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VIbidJm9q34/mqdefault.jpg)
![CENTRAL CEE - GEN Z LUV [VERTICAL VIDEO]](/img/tr.png)
Sorry, "Apocalypse Now" was Francis Ford Coppola, Kubrik directed "Full Metal Jacket"
Damn! Quite right, my mistake.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMattersbeen a few awful films called Delta Force 😂😂😂
Was tempted to clip some of them for this, but resisted 😁
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters haha! 😆😆
Probably a better movie if Kubrik had directed
Abrams was among those who liberated Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge. The 101st said they didn't need rescuing, just more weapons, ammo, and other supplies, and they would have fought their way out. Abrams probably never forgot that snub.
Interesting context...
Bastogne Bulldogs!
The trouble started when COL Rheault lied to GEN Abrams, giving him the "cover story". This has been brought out in a couple of books.
As I recall the order that came down was to “deactivate “ the double agent; and the alleged trigger man was Denny(?) Marasco.
Inconsequential sidelight; my lieutenant’s bars were pinned on by Col. Rheault’s replacement.
Reminds me of the Henri Dericourt case. SOE and MI6 had some explaining to do there.
Yes that popped into my mind pretty soon into the video too. I have a long list of questions on Dericourt, SOE, Mi6, Abwehr and Kieffer I'd love to know the answers too. Given how many documents vanished, and all those involved being dead, I don't expect I ever will.
SOG later recovered NVA documents from an NVA intelligence officer that warned that the Americans had unmasked Chu Van Thai Khac.
Ed. I really enjoy your knowledge of this subterfuge even though l get completely lost in the dark caverns of war. Thanks Ed
Im not a political animal. But, I thank Harold Wilson and Dennis Healy for keeping us out of that dogs dinner.
Under a great deal of political and economic pressure from Washington. When the Queen died much mention of every US President since Eisenhower had undertaken state visits, with one exception, Johnson.
They got it at home too, from the left in their party for not publicly condemning the US, which as the principal ally of the America, the UK was not going to do. In private yes Healy advised against with his US counterpart.
(Just as well they did not know about the intel provided from UK assets in SE Asia).
In any case, there was a lower key campaign until 1966, the Indonesian Confrontation keeping UK/Commonwealth forces busy.
Well of course, Harold was a Soviet spy...
It was to keep our war films cheerful.
Great video, Ed...👍
you should read Dale Hanson's book, it tells you more about the double agent and a mission were enemy documents were captured proving it
I'll check it out.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters the book is called "born twice" ignore the first 100 pages as it's about him growing up as a child.
from I can remember a MACV-SOG mission recovered the vital enemy documents that named the spy. there was also plan by the 5th SF members to organise a jail break for those SF members who had been arrested.
Abrams detested the SF guys and put his own people in some of their camps to spy on them. from what i have heard from unofficial sources some of the SF might also have been another fatal boat trip for Abrams if they convicted any of the SF men from 5th group but I haven't seen anything/evidence to back that up.
Air America was a great movie
No it wasn't
Wow, imagine, media working to inform the public instead of being a megaphone for government…
Yes, but the media was and is leftist. They go against anything that hurts leftist causes. Thus they were doing what they could to help the North Vietnamese and their Soviet partners.
Ed, this is another terrific look back at aspects of the Vietnam war. While I was too young to fully understand what was happening at the time, it's still something I (somewhat) remember from the newspapers and TV. A bit more has been filled in for me, thank you.
@ 3:20, is that an Invader? Looks proper warry that!
Yep, b-26k. CIA had some for their own private air force. My video on them is linked at the end of this one.
Would you consider doing a video on the Irish Army Ranger Wing?
Certainly. I've been toying with an "SF of the World" series. Problem is gathering decent footage/info on many of them.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters that is true i suppose
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Irish Rangers = "Sciathan Fianoglach An Airm" in the Irish language
@@jaws848 You could've at least given him a way to pronounce it lol.
Skee-a-hawn Fee-an--o-glock on or-im.
Well that's the best of my LC Irish anyhoo.
Ellsberg with a Swedish K. Haven't seen that picture before.
Yeah, that surprised me. A weapon normally reserved for MACV-SOG operators. Sure there is another story there.
Sheep dipping Tim McVeigh
I know a Vietnam vet that worked for the NSA in Vietnam, except the name given to his organization in Vietnam, was given the name of "Military Intelligence" (As opposed to "Army intelligence". I may be getting the exact name of the agency wrong, so I apologize) The goal of this organization was to eliminate inter-service rivalry and provide accurate intelligence to all the services.
This vet claimed when they captured Vietcong they "interrogated" them in pairs by taking them up in a helicopter and would threaten to shove one of the Vietcong out unless he talked.
Of course, he wouldn't so he got shoved out. Then they took the copter higher and the remaining prisoner would of course talk, but then got shoved out anyway.
Nazi is as nazi does....
Sounds like DIA, defense intelligence agency.
One of the problems with secretive units, whose existence is oftentimes necessary, is that they consist of human beings worried about careers, working without real guidelines. When humans are involved, you can bet they will screw it up.
Like any government agency, it will very likely turn to massive corruption and a breach of it's original intent if it's not held accountable and can't be fired. Very few trying to boost their careers will admit they messed up or breached ethics and guidelines.
Was Delta part of MACVSOG, or was that just the Navy?
MACV SOG was multi service, so yes, i believe Project Delta was part of MACV SOG ops.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Thanks mate. I couldn't remember if it was multi service or just Navy.. I know it kinda became the SEALs, but that's as far as my knowledge goes in the Vietnam era lol
@@utbdoug TBH I had to double check 😁
Comment for the algorithm
It really is a shame the way American press has become so biased
You wonder what Alpha and Beta were, presumably, up to.
Not discussed & probably not quantifiable, but I wonder how much closing Gamma (and I assume related programs of intel gathering) had on losing the Vietnam War?
"Delta Force"? Never heard of em. No such Unit.
Outstanding story! I rather enjoy a proper spy story! Nice shout out to the Delta chaps.... they need a boost sometimes.... hard being #2 to the baddest SF unit in the world today: JTF2.
:)
The Vietnam War certainly was a dirty affair, the SF and the CIA basically doing whatever they wanted and getting away with it all, almost. But war is war and people die, not just the combatants but so many innocent people get caught up in it, but the other side of the coin is that they, the SF operators, were caught between a rock and a hard place, the CIA dictating what they were to do and the military brass not wanting them to exist, they could not win whatever they did, and the CIA walked away as soon as things got a bit sticky, a dirty war all round.
Delta isn't that squeaky clean either. _Just following orders_ has been heard to be said many times but that didn't work so well at a certain trial in 1945/46 did it.
"Rather...Unfortunate issues". You don't have to prove you're British.
He's English, Yank. If he'd been Scottish he'd have said "Rather shyte".
After deployments in Iraq as an Infantryman one of the things that helped with E.D. Is getting women to pee on me.