This guy is the reason I don't subscribe to this channel, but I got suckered into watching 3 mins of it cause I'm a jeep fan, but I'm not a big enough fan to listen to this guy.
I'm actually surprised how well my 2012 Tahoe 4X4 does in off road situations, given rock climbs aren't on my daily agenda, but snow, sand, muddy wet trails, ice are no problem. Sure it might not do as well climbing rocks, but it'll sure as hell put a smile on your face when you lay into it and that small block V8 roars to life, there aren't too many things in the world today that can sound as good as a GM V8 does!
The boat anchor are you kidding the 4.0 was the best motor they ever made. My 91 cherokee made it to 531k without a rebuild and I owned many other cherokees with the 4.0 that had well over 200k with no issues. I doubt this motor is still running strong 200k miles +.
The 4.0 was an epic engine, but saying the Pentastar won't make it 200k is a little silly. I wouldn't doubt a Pentastar could make it to 500k if it were maintained. The only difference is that the Pentastar probably wouldn't be as durable in terms of improper maintenance and regular abuse (ir irregular abuse like, say, putting sand in the crankcase to try to kill a 4.0 just results in a smoking, still-running 4.0).
The only truth to the boat anchor statement would be weight. Obviously an aluminum engine will be lighter. As far as longevity though chrysler still has a long way to go to achieve the durability of the I6 design. Simplicity is too often underrated by engineers. The pentastar still has cylinder head issues as of 7/2014(last one I personally diagnosed), it also has bearing issues with oil starvation as well as dtc's that may not affect performance but they sure as hell create an issue for the owners trying to keep the vehicle legally on the road inspection/emissions wise. I've also worked on multiple different vehicles some with a perfectly quite pentastar and others that sound like complete rattle traps. Having customers complain I called a local dodge dealer and spoke to tech dept and they say it's "normal" cam phaser noise. If it's normal why do some sound horrible and some sound quiet? Sure it's a technologically advanced engine and may perform better in a perfect world but when is the world perfect? They've added variable quad cams, open deck blocks, and made it an interference engine(if timing is off valves and pistons smash together). This simply adds to the list of what can go wrong. My 88 xj has over 410k on it and it runs like a champ, and my 98 tj has 191k and never had an issue with either. The one thing I am happy about is that chrysler still doesn't use a mass airflow meter. Kind of odd with all these other technological advancements that they still refuse to use a maf. I don't quite understand their logic on that one but I like it from a diagnostic point of view and less cost vs a map sensor, not to mention maf is a more delicate sensor vs map.
I was in Denver last month for one night, rented a Wrangler, didn't know the place at all, found my way to Georgetown and Saxon Mountain Rd. I'd love to go back to Colorado to go Jeeping and have more time to do it,.
I just got my 2013 jeep wrangler sport 4x4 and have had it 3 weeks now. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles on it and I love it. It does have the 3.6 V6 6speed trans and 4x4. It's got the soft top and 16 inch wheels and tires which that's what I love about it. I'm going to do some upgrades to it very soon. But sofar have had no problems with it and took it on a road trip for Thanksgiving holiday and got around 22 miles to the gallon . O the radio sucks so I'm going to upgrade it with a Pioneer or a Sony . Love it and going to enjoy the 4x4
Nathan, Lo range is your friend with a 6 speed. Don't be afraid of it. Just don't rev the piss out of it either. The 4.1:1 of the rubicon is awesome for crawling around.
Smokey BEAR will be nice if jeep had like optional technology package and other things, I'm just saying that I love the outside but all should be optional cause then is not going to be affordable
I agree, and now they are going to finally put the diesel into the wrangler. I have the ecodiesel ram 1500 and love it. So next year I can't wait to see the new jeep candy
No matter what anyone says about the trails you guys take the Rubicon on. Love all of your Jeep content. Keeping me over well while I wait for my order lol.
This is a nice jeep. I notice that in the 8:15 of the video they are moving the camera and you can see the back door open on the bottom of the speedometer. Very nice!
I have a jeep and i love them, but anyone care to explain why does the 2014/2015 only has a 1000kg towing capacity? way lower than older models? cos even the dealer couldnt give me a straight answer.. any bad effects if 1 go over 1000?
Ya I think its just cause the rear suspension is a bit too soft for towing... but hey! 1000kg is alright, its more than enough if your planning on towing a bike or two
william112004 where are you getting 1000KG for the Hard Rock? Everything above the basic Sport is 1588KG/3,500LB, just like the previous models. The maximum is a combination of things, but it's a conservative number to ensure all components of the system are up to a solid level. The only reason the base sport is lower (likely the 1000KG/2500LB number your got) is because it doesn't have either the HD or performance suspension (which is an option on the Sport-S), but that has been the case since the 2012 change to the transmission and engine created a new recertification, nothing new for 2014/15. You can likely tow much more than the 1,500KG, but they're just covering what they are confident recommending. Also, unlike what TFL suggested in another video, it's not due to the power of the engine, as AEV confirmed that the max TOW rating is restricted by other components in the suspension and frame, not by the engine, so even a Hemi with different gears doesn't really change that. They really aren't meant to tow 5th-wheels and boats. More like Dirt Bikes or SeaDoos. For an Off-road capable tower, you need something like a PowerWagon, or similar pick-up truck style platform.
BFG KM MudTerrain tyres are Mud & Snow, so they are the appropriate tyre, however, with SLUSH and not SNOW , you need chains. You could put Swampers on there, and it's still the flat surface of the outer tread-blocks that is going to slip on the compressed snow/slush, especially when it's a relatively thin layer on a hard surface. They (MTs) also 'slip' in mud as well, but you don't creep along in mud with no traction so you don't notice it, and you know enough to give it the gas and steer through it when it's deep much. Winter tyres would be as bad or worse because the voids are too small, and the internal ejector ribs that push rocks out on A/T & MT tyres are ineffective at clearing the voids on slush so they get bogged down. Only chains works well in that slushy crap, it the Rockies I start with Duratracs or Territory tyres and then put chains on it for the serious stuff, because that's all that works. You can still drive through the goop and the deep stuff with good MTs, but it's not going to feel as effective as those chains. You should know better being from Colorado. =;-P
I have a 1985 Toyota 4x4 pickup that is so stiff, I can tell what side a coin is when I roll over it. Now u say that the new jeep is not comfortable, not good for long distance drives. I beg to differ. I also own a 2013 Rubicon unlimited and it rides so so so nice. And yes I love how it wheels. I still have the old yota and I still take it out, without the wife, but how these new jeeps perform are unreal. So here's a eye opener, any time u feel one of these new rigs, wither it's a truck or suv of some sort and u feel it's not comfy or too soft or gets ok gas mileage, go climb into an older rig for a bit and then get back into what u were driving and do a comparison. Other then that looked like u were having fun.
Bailey O. I've seen lots of videos where people do engine swaps on this, sooo if you REALLY a V8 I suggest that you swap engines. Plus, most of the V8s are the 5.7 or 6.4 HEMIs!!!
***** I prefer the CJ7. ;) One of those in red and black with tan interior is just awesome. I saw a video of a lime green CJ7 on RUclips. LIME... GREEN?! Who was that person trying to convince when he said THAT was a great colour to paint a Jeep?! Shocking!! :(
Well, to each their own. I don't fancy lime green either, but Jeeps are meant to be a creation from YOU. You build it however you think the perfect Jeep should look like and have fun doing it!
yggsten no it will not. not unless you wanna take 3 days and take 10 people to stack rocks for you. the trail is tough on 37 inch tires, I would never try it stock.
Jimmy G Yes Jimmy, this jeep would be able to complete the Rubicon Trail. A Jeep that is, "Trail Rated" can complete the Rubicon Trail stock. That is the qualification. If you've ever been on the Rubicon Trail you will notice that you can take easier routes to avoid more difficult obstacles.
greenmean230 are you high? have you ever been on the rubicon trail? obviously not. for the "jeep" videos they had tons of people out there stacking rocks so these stock Jeeps can make it through.
The Rubicon Trial changes every single year because of the snow and ice. I have taken a stock JKUR and completed the Rubicon Trail. Please don't shots at me for your ignorance. You could have the best set up rig with 37' and have an ignorant driver who doesn't know how to wheel. Driver is 90% of the battle. You'd be surprised how ive passed guys in built rigs in my stock Rubi.
Jeeps are strange when it comes to comfort on roads. Particularly my 2007 Jeep Liberty, it seems so be uncomfortable on small bumps and cracks on the road, but if there is that weird big mound that the road workers left for no reason and you go over it at 50+KM/H, the Jeep just soaks it up and...just absorbs so smoothly....I don't know how to describe it exactly...but...other than big mounds, it it rough on small ones.
+mason methot My brother just bought a 2015 rubicon, put a 2.5 in lift on it and 33's. That thing is a beast and it still rides good, it has electronic lockers and he can unlock the rear sway bar, if u lock everything in, it'll climb up hills on it's own without even hittin the gas
looks jerky and stalls out when floored. Is this due to the traction control negating the driver inputs? If so I can turn those off and rely on diff locks right?
Air the tires down and you will not even need to engage the lockers. Also...the 6 speed in the Wrangler is problematic. the NAG1 5-Speed auto is the only way to go. It will hold any gear through redline and never shift until you want in manual mode so its the same as a stick.
@1:43 is the reason why America needs a diesel wrangler. We have them in the UK with a 2.8 four cylinder diesel that makes 197bhp but most importantly 339lb. Much better than the 256lb ft of the v6 petrol. But the diesel is so unrefined, i hope they put the v6 from the grand cherokee in it instead
Sawashi32 Speak for yourself. I'd like to have the 3.8 Diesel! ~450 Lbs of torque and ~180 HP. Put that in a Jeep and I'll first in line. "TAKE MY MONEY!!!!" lol
Sadly, I had a friend die in the sand dunes like 2 decades ago and they think had he not been wearing a helmet he would have survived. He tumbled over a sand hill and when the quad rolled behind the handle bar slid between the visor and shattered his face. Had he not had the sidewall of the helmet to deflect the handlebar into the visor they think it may have missed him entirely.
I know many people take them off roading and also in the snow, but how many take them off roading and in the snow at the same time? Trying to rock crawl over snow and ice? That's got to be a tough combo for any 4x4 vehicle.
Well there are a few of us, and some of us who do it to support our other hobbies (like Backcountry Skiing, etc), it's why I buy my Rubicons. But not everyone lives near the Rockies, or region that has interesting snow possibilities, so the population pool is smaller. However out here our trails are open from May to September, then they close until a solid freeze (to avoid trail damage) and re-open again from early Dec to early March. Winter off-roading is great fun, especially in a well-equipped Wrangler. But even when you have the gear and the knowhow, it's definitely tougher in winter. Snow is fine IMO, it's ice and slush suck when they're ontop of solid smooth rock that has a steep enough grade to break traction.
My death wobble happened with no modification done . All factory parts and instillation:( no change in tire size .. Nothing .. it's so scary ! Will keep my current wrangler till keep can give me assurance a model is built with no wobble.... I'm hoping soon !!
Bettieann Fry Death wobble is common on solid front axle vehicles of any make, it is caused by loose or worn out suspension parts, on the new wranglers the most common cause is worn control arm bushings or improperly torqued control arm bolts but can also be caused by other worn front end parts, if you are experiencing this then you should have it checked, I offroad our rubicon pretty hard and keep tabs on it being that it is my wifes daily driver, we can drive at highway speeds with no issues, rides smooth even with the mud terrain tires
I agree with Jeremy, if you have death wobble you have one our more things worn out in your suspension. i have replaced all the steering parts with new in my 96 xj that has 8" lift and 37" supers swampers and it will run 80+ mph on the highway just as smooth as butter.
Guys who buy the Rubicon want a Jeep that can "do" the Rubicon Trail! Comfort is a second option,first was lockers (no word about in this test) super low transfer gearing 4:1,big offroad tires,rock rails,low axel gearing,flexy suspension. If you want comfort buy some of these new and ugly SUVs with a Jeep logo on! My favorite Jeep are the older TJ Rubicon unlimited.
I remember taking my JK Rubi up the backside of Pikes Peak in deep snow. I kept sliding sideways and scared shitless...until I got back on dry land. I've heard that running F/R lockers actually hurts deep snow driving as it's better to have one wheel act as an anchor. True?
When I was stuck a few times, I'd engage the lockers and would simply "yaw" instead of moving forward/backwards. On a very narrow shelf road, that's scary.
Tucsonan Dude I've heard some talk about that. I Iive in GA (so rarely have snow, even in the "mountains." I was driving a trail that had about 5" of snow. This was before I had my front locker, only had a rear. I was trying to see how far I could go in 2HI. It was old, crunchy snow. I did pretty well until I got into some tire ruts. I started going sideways. Put in 4HI, got out n locked the front hubs. It straightened out like I was on dry pavement. I have yet to drive in snow/ice with the front locked. I want to try it out.
Not sure about others, but I reference Wrangler to the non-Rubicon in this series of Jeep. While Rubicon has a specific build. I need one of these to go with my old base camp 266k mile ZJ, as I live in more of a wooded area here in the Pacific Northwest. lol ;)
The discontinuation of the FJ Cruiser and the Xterra makes it easy for me to choose the Wrangler when the time comes to go shopping for a manual transmission truck.
I like the leather seats but it wouldn't make me go out and buy a new one. In Australia we are all waiting for the 3.0ltr intercooled turbo diesel. I have an 07 JKU CRD. I'd also run one on Hydrogen if someone could get a 3ltr v6 to run on it.
@G4O Comparing a Land Rover to the Jeep is crazy ( unfair to the Land Rover lol). Double the price for lots of Glitter, and more electronics to break down on you while off road ( wouldn't want to scratch the paint job ), and how many LR drivers actually know how to work on the vehicle ("Where's my road side assistance - in the middle of the woods"). @TFL Review is a little hard on the street capability of the Jeep. Pound for pound, dollar for dollar you can't buy a better all around vehicle for both summer/winter, on road/off road living. Base sport edition starting at about 19k ( Canadian), that's awesome value with the 3.6L Pentastar 285ph. Love my 2012 JK Sahara Unlimited. And Nathan, a little more excitement eh, tell us how you really feel.
Really wish Chrysler stuck with the 4.0L straight six. That motor out lasts any other with regular maintenance. Driving a '99 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.0L and it has 244,866 miles on it and its still going strong, no oil burning and plenty of power! I like the wranglers, but have always been a fan of the Cherokees, except the new ones, the soccer moms can have them.
Wow... someone's not very good at driving in snow/ ice. I got less slippage in far worse conditions in my Liberty, lol. Ever heard of feathering the throttle?
Kind of off topic but...Wow those tires suck in snow, wasn't expecting that. The only mud tires I have ever had were cooper discoverer stt's on my 2007 commander. I loved those tires for the looks, they were decent in the mud (I never got stuck) but the vehicle was just so heavy and only had the 3.7 v6 so it couldn't really spin the tires being awd, even in mud and I think that's what you really need to do in mud with mud tires (spin em). I only had them for a year before getting rid of the jeep and unfortunately I didn't get much snow experience (the most I got was 6 inches at once) but when I did use them in snow they did great.
I have 33'' discoverer stt's on my jeep and they are great in mud but in snow it's a whole other story. They don't get a lot of tracktion, I still love them a lot. Best tires i ever had.
The BFG KM1s on my Rubicon (same tires in this video) are terrible winter tires. There's no two ways about it. Great in mud, and other off road conditions. But if there's snow, ice, or standing water, they are terrible to the point of being scary. I can't wait to replace them with the new KO2.
Common misconception is that mud tires are good in the snow and ice because they're blocky. Their tread patterns and rubber compounds aren't designed for snow or ice.
The tires do great, been running for years. Have tried others over the years and they don't compare. If u get into wet slush, yeah ur going to spin plus he was forcing to tires to spin and loss traction and aired at 40psi they are over inflated for the situation
Other tires don't compare to mud tires with ZERO siping? What kind of drugs are you on? Wet slush is actually one of the better winter conditions for a pure mud tire, too.
I have two issues with the Wrangler. 1. You can only get locking diffs in the Rubicon. How it is you can't get even a rear diff locker in a purpose built off roader is beyond me. 2. Price. The Wrangler Rubicon's price has bloated well into full-size truck territory. There is no way I'm paying Ram 1500 Sport/Ford FX4 money on a Wrangler.
You can also get a locking "Tru-Lock" rear dif in both the Black Bear and Altitude packages. Can only get the 4.10 gears in the Rubicon still. Those should be an option in all Wranglers.
+Andy Holmes I didn't realize that...The sales guy didn't even know, or maybe the Altitude and Black Bear editions aren't available in Canada...who knows.
You can't beat a Jeep's legendary out of the box offroad capability, especially the Rubicon. what is stupid is the prices for one. I do miss my Jeep. Had four of them and I am sure one day will again but when I can afford another one just as a toy.
Rubicon model is off road awesome. We already knew that. I would like to see/hear some pavement pounding before you got to your destination or trailhead. Has the 2015 jk improved the interior noise? How about 70mph highway speeds compared previous jk's? I already knew it would be a biased review but I still want to know more. Thumbs up anyway.
My favorite way to play in the dirt! 39k is damned pricey though, for a stock Wrangler. Is all the interior stuff worth the extra 7k over the base Rubicon?
It shouldn't have been comfortable. It's a highly capable off-road/street truck. It's definitely not going to ride as smooth as a luxury car and those who know wouldn't expect it to.
That's fine. Your family is likely not the target market, assuming they have no interest in off roading. I own a 2012 Unlimited Rubicon, and I really do feel like this is the wrong vehicle for anyone who does not want to off road. There are a thousand other SUVs out there that are better for your average family.
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Having had a 4.0L Cherokee, 2.5L TJ, 3.8L JK, and 3.6L JK in the past 4 years, all I have to say is, man, does this undersell the 3.6/manual combo. And the 3.8 was adequate in a 2 door, doggy in a 4, and questionable with an auto in either.
+grocer80 I'm a Jeep newbie. I never owned one, but am thinking about a new rubi with 6mt. Are you saying that the rubi with 6mt is quite capable? Because after my test drive, I was about to buy it. What do you think?
+Ray Charles How a capable a manual Rubicon is depends on how good your clutch work is...that said, it's easy to beat the EPA rating and has enough hardware to get you pretty much anywhere. But it's still an acquired taste as far as a daily driver...solid axles, squishy springs, long shifts, wind noise, it is truly a modern version of the CJ5 (speaking as someone with a '76).
for the record own one of these the 10 AE 2013... yes gas mileage is not great but add that up for pure pleasure over a year and its not that much / pure pure pleasure. a. drive great for a jeep on HW, raced a porsche cayanne and it barely and i mean barely pulled away, ( i could see the jaw drop on the owner ) corners decent for a jeep just run it tight and no over driving...christ its a jeep... off road OMG, .... interior part Jeep (the best yet) BMW interior and functional... GPS unit ok only... sound very good... Snow yes, tires really aren't as good as i would have thought... not sure why... ( vermont snow driver all my life ) this rig rocks.... so over all omg great !
The real reason it's so heavy is because vehicles are getting fatter these days. Solid front and rear axles, a body-on-frame construction, and such are no excuses, as the old Wranglers, and CJ's demonstrated. Personally, I would give up some of the amenities like the mentioned heated seats, and other things like it, if it meant I could save some on gas.
+Jaeden Fiocca That's what I have. 93 modified. 200k miles on it and sticking in a boat load of money. After 10 years and a total of 15 k into it, I have almost a new Jeep. 15k does include purchase price. I am not afraid of getting mud or water into it, or some battle damage. That thing I would be afraid of parking it in a parking lot. No way I would take it through the brush because afraid of scratching the paint. Also to much plastic on it. I would relegate it to being a mall crawler.
+John Bango PS, needs lift, bigger tires and stronger control arms. Add another 3 to 5k to the price. This would bring it up to the same capability as my 15k Jeep.
Its not that great. Live like 5 minutes from this "trail", and its nearly a dirt road. Unless you take side roads, can get a Camry over most of it. He at least took the jeep a tiny ways up one of the cutoffs this time, unlike some other videos about Toyotas...
This guy is the reason I don't subscribe to this channel, but I got suckered into watching 3 mins of it cause I'm a jeep fan, but I'm not a big enough fan to listen to this guy.
I'm actually surprised how well my 2012 Tahoe 4X4 does in off road situations, given rock climbs aren't on my daily agenda, but snow, sand, muddy wet trails, ice are no problem. Sure it might not do as well climbing rocks, but it'll sure as hell put a smile on your face when you lay into it and that small block V8 roars to life, there aren't too many things in the world today that can sound as good as a GM V8 does!
Finally a 2 door with a manual review! Exactly what I've been looking for
Nice
The boat anchor are you kidding the 4.0 was the best motor they ever made. My 91 cherokee made it to 531k without a rebuild and I owned many other cherokees with the 4.0 that had well over 200k with no issues. I doubt this motor is still running strong 200k miles +.
True ...LONG LIVE THE CHEROKEE XJ !!!!!
The 4.0 was an epic engine, but saying the Pentastar won't make it 200k is a little silly. I wouldn't doubt a Pentastar could make it to 500k if it were maintained. The only difference is that the Pentastar probably wouldn't be as durable in terms of improper maintenance and regular abuse (ir irregular abuse like, say, putting sand in the crankcase to try to kill a 4.0 just results in a smoking, still-running 4.0).
I will not buy a new Wrangler. I hate the Pentastar engines with a passion. Either a Jeep has the 4L or I won't buy it.
these guys don't impress me at all with the way they review or talk about vehicles
The only truth to the boat anchor statement would be weight. Obviously an aluminum engine will be lighter. As far as longevity though chrysler still has a long way to go to achieve the durability of the I6 design. Simplicity is too often underrated by engineers. The pentastar still has cylinder head issues as of 7/2014(last one I personally diagnosed), it also has bearing issues with oil starvation as well as dtc's that may not affect performance but they sure as hell create an issue for the owners trying to keep the vehicle legally on the road inspection/emissions wise. I've also worked on multiple different vehicles some with a perfectly quite pentastar and others that sound like complete rattle traps. Having customers complain I called a local dodge dealer and spoke to tech dept and they say it's "normal" cam phaser noise. If it's normal why do some sound horrible and some sound quiet? Sure it's a technologically advanced engine and may perform better in a perfect world but when is the world perfect? They've added variable quad cams, open deck blocks, and made it an interference engine(if timing is off valves and pistons smash together). This simply adds to the list of what can go wrong. My 88 xj has over 410k on it and it runs like a champ, and my 98 tj has 191k and never had an issue with either. The one thing I am happy about is that chrysler still doesn't use a mass airflow meter. Kind of odd with all these other technological advancements that they still refuse to use a maf. I don't quite understand their logic on that one but I like it from a diagnostic point of view and less cost vs a map sensor, not to mention maf is a more delicate sensor vs map.
I was in Denver last month for one night, rented a Wrangler, didn't know the place at all, found my way to Georgetown and Saxon Mountain Rd. I'd love to go back to Colorado to go Jeeping and have more time to do it,.
Can we see a restyling of the Jeep Wrangler any time soon? It's looked the same for years now, but I still love them.
Although I slightly agree, they keep it the same because that's what the majority wants
Its coming up in a couple of years. There is a good chance it will go to an aluminum body with the redesign.
I just got my 2013 jeep wrangler sport 4x4 and have had it 3 weeks now. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles on it and I love it. It does have the 3.6 V6 6speed trans and 4x4. It's got the soft top and 16 inch wheels and tires which that's what I love about it. I'm going to do some upgrades to it very soon. But sofar have had no problems with it and took it on a road trip for Thanksgiving holiday and got around 22 miles to the gallon . O the radio sucks so I'm going to upgrade it with a Pioneer or a Sony . Love it and going to enjoy the 4x4
i just took delivery of my 1st Jeep ever and i think i'm in love ❤️
Nathan, Lo range is your friend with a 6 speed. Don't be afraid of it. Just don't rev the piss out of it either. The 4.1:1 of the rubicon is awesome for crawling around.
Jeep should keep this design forever, upgrade everything but not the outside
Should add at least xenon lights lmao
Smokey BEAR will be nice if jeep had like optional technology package and other things, I'm just saying that I love the outside but all should be optional cause then is not going to be affordable
couldn't agree more and there are very few cars that should never change their look and the wrangler is definitely up there
HID lights would be better, jeep headlights are terrible :( i got a 2015 hard rock too
I agree, and now they are going to finally put the diesel into the wrangler. I have the ecodiesel ram 1500 and love it. So next year I can't wait to see the new jeep candy
This video never gets old.
No matter what anyone says about the trails you guys take the Rubicon on. Love all of your Jeep content. Keeping me over well while I wait for my order lol.
This is a nice jeep. I notice that in the 8:15 of the video they are moving the camera and you can see the back door open on the bottom of the speedometer. Very nice!
I have a jeep and i love them, but anyone care to explain why does the 2014/2015 only has a 1000kg towing capacity? way lower than older models? cos even the dealer couldnt give me a straight answer.. any bad effects if 1 go over 1000?
Ya I think its just cause the rear suspension is a bit too soft for towing... but hey! 1000kg is alright, its more than enough if your planning on towing a bike or two
AL3AMRI120 *_*
thanks bud.. but its not enough to tow a boat or caravan.. will it damage the jeep? cos ive seen people do that
william112004 where are you getting 1000KG for the Hard Rock? Everything above the basic Sport is 1588KG/3,500LB, just like the previous models. The maximum is a combination of things, but it's a conservative number to ensure all components of the system are up to a solid level. The only reason the base sport is lower (likely the 1000KG/2500LB number your got) is because it doesn't have either the HD or performance suspension (which is an option on the Sport-S), but that has been the case since the 2012 change to the transmission and engine created a new recertification, nothing new for 2014/15. You can likely tow much more than the 1,500KG, but they're just covering what they are confident recommending.
Also, unlike what TFL suggested in another video, it's not due to the power of the engine, as AEV confirmed that the max TOW rating is restricted by other components in the suspension and frame, not by the engine, so even a Hemi with different gears doesn't really change that.
They really aren't meant to tow 5th-wheels and boats. More like Dirt Bikes or SeaDoos. For an Off-road capable tower, you need something like a PowerWagon, or similar pick-up truck style platform.
LOL the 4l boat anchor. Ya cast iron head and block can be a bit heavy. They were bulletproof though. :P
I live in Canada and right now there is way more snow in my yard than out there.
BFG KM MudTerrain tyres are Mud & Snow, so they are the appropriate tyre, however, with SLUSH and not SNOW , you need chains. You could put Swampers on there, and it's still the flat surface of the outer tread-blocks that is going to slip on the compressed snow/slush, especially when it's a relatively thin layer on a hard surface. They (MTs) also 'slip' in mud as well, but you don't creep along in mud with no traction so you don't notice it, and you know enough to give it the gas and steer through it when it's deep much.
Winter tyres would be as bad or worse because the voids are too small, and the internal ejector ribs that push rocks out on A/T & MT tyres are ineffective at clearing the voids on slush so they get bogged down. Only chains works well in that slushy crap, it the Rockies I start with Duratracs or Territory tyres and then put chains on it for the serious stuff, because that's all that works. You can still drive through the goop and the deep stuff with good MTs, but it's not going to feel as effective as those chains.
You should know better being from Colorado. =;-P
I have a 1985 Toyota 4x4 pickup that is so stiff, I can tell what side a coin is when I roll over it. Now u say that the new jeep is not comfortable, not good for long distance drives. I beg to differ. I also own a 2013 Rubicon unlimited and it rides so so so nice. And yes I love how it wheels. I still have the old yota and I still take it out, without the wife, but how these new jeeps perform are unreal. So here's a eye opener, any time u feel one of these new rigs, wither it's a truck or suv of some sort and u feel it's not comfy or too soft or gets ok gas mileage, go climb into an older rig for a bit and then get back into what u were driving and do a comparison. Other then that looked like u were having fun.
Awesome. Were the diffs locked?
4.0L was and still is a great engine, the 3.8L was the boat...
This car has 'Murica written all over it
Fuck Yeah !!
Naw, it doesn't have a V8!
Yup! Strong, tough and fully capable. America!!
Bailey O. I've seen lots of videos where people do engine swaps on this, sooo if you REALLY a V8 I suggest that you swap engines. Plus, most of the V8s are the 5.7 or 6.4 HEMIs!!!
I love the 6.4 wranglers! Also I've seen people put cummins in them
Put the 3.0L Ecodiesel in this Wrangler as an option, all that extra low end tourque would be great.
+drunkpolak wontreply
I would agree, just from seeing the torque numbers.
And what makes a Jeep Wrangler all the more better? Red and black, baby!! You can't beat a good, muddy red and black Wrangler!! You just can't!! :P
Well, how about a red and black CJ5? That's what I have and I agree, it is the best color combo you can get :D
***** I prefer the CJ7. ;) One of those in red and black with tan interior is just awesome. I saw a video of a lime green CJ7 on RUclips. LIME... GREEN?! Who was that person trying to convince when he said THAT was a great colour to paint a Jeep?! Shocking!! :(
Well, to each their own. I don't fancy lime green either, but Jeeps are meant to be a creation from YOU. You build it however you think the perfect Jeep should look like and have fun doing it!
***** I know, but lime green just isn't my idea of a great colour. Like you say, to each their own. ;)
I'm so curious to see what next gen is going to look like.
love the background sound of freedom.
I would rather listen to the reviewer and the car. The background noise is too much. Other than that, I enjoy your reviews.
Wondering,, Would this make the whole Rubicon trail without any mods?
yes
yggsten no it will not. not unless you wanna take 3 days and take 10 people to stack rocks for you. the trail is tough on 37 inch tires, I would never try it stock.
Jimmy G Yes Jimmy, this jeep would be able to complete the Rubicon Trail. A Jeep that is, "Trail Rated" can complete the Rubicon Trail stock. That is the qualification. If you've ever been on the Rubicon Trail you will notice that you can take easier routes to avoid more difficult obstacles.
greenmean230 are you high? have you ever been on the rubicon trail? obviously not. for the "jeep" videos they had tons of people out there stacking rocks so these stock Jeeps can make it through.
The Rubicon Trial changes every single year because of the snow and ice. I have taken a stock JKUR and completed the Rubicon Trail. Please don't shots at me for your ignorance.
You could have the best set up rig with 37' and have an ignorant driver who doesn't know how to wheel. Driver is 90% of the battle. You'd be surprised how ive passed guys in built rigs in my stock Rubi.
Jeeps are strange when it comes to comfort on roads. Particularly my 2007 Jeep Liberty, it seems so be uncomfortable on small bumps and cracks on the road, but if there is that weird big mound that the road workers left for no reason and you go over it at 50+KM/H, the Jeep just soaks it up and...just absorbs so smoothly....I don't know how to describe it exactly...but...other than big mounds, it it rough on small ones.
+mason methot My brother just bought a 2015 rubicon, put a 2.5 in lift on it and 33's. That thing is a beast and it still rides good, it has electronic lockers and he can unlock the rear sway bar, if u lock everything in, it'll climb up hills on it's own without even hittin the gas
Not used to that clutch or not used to driving a manual?
Why this video is in TFL CAR section ? This is Truck ( body on frame) ?
They seem to think that trucks only have beds in the back, even if it has a frame and no bed, they think it's a car.
Most probably this is the reason. But we know that this is not correct
looks jerky and stalls out when floored. Is this due to the traction control negating the driver inputs? If so I can turn those off and rely on diff locks right?
Air the tires down and you will not even need to engage the lockers. Also...the 6 speed in the Wrangler is problematic. the NAG1 5-Speed auto is the only way to go. It will hold any gear through redline and never shift until you want in manual mode so its the same as a stick.
@1:43 is the reason why America needs a diesel wrangler. We have them in the UK with a 2.8 four cylinder diesel that makes 197bhp but most importantly 339lb. Much better than the 256lb ft of the v6 petrol. But the diesel is so unrefined, i hope they put the v6 from the grand cherokee in it instead
We'll pass on the diesel. The six cylinder does perfectly fine over here.
am happy with my pentastar v6 too.. but never really tried the deisel so cannot compare
Sawashi32
Speak for yourself. I'd like to have the 3.8 Diesel! ~450 Lbs of torque and ~180 HP. Put that in a Jeep and I'll first in line. "TAKE MY MONEY!!!!" lol
That is offroading , with a bit less of puddles and more ROCKS , well done .
Sadly, I had a friend die in the sand dunes like 2 decades ago and they think had he not been wearing a helmet he would have survived. He tumbled over a sand hill and when the quad rolled behind the handle bar slid between the visor and shattered his face. Had he not had the sidewall of the helmet to deflect the handlebar into the visor they think it may have missed him entirely.
I know many people take them off roading and also in the snow, but how many take them off roading and in the snow at the same time?
Trying to rock crawl over snow and ice? That's got to be a tough combo for any 4x4 vehicle.
Well there are a few of us, and some of us who do it to support our other hobbies (like Backcountry Skiing, etc), it's why I buy my Rubicons. But not everyone lives near the Rockies, or region that has interesting snow possibilities, so the population pool is smaller. However out here our trails are open from May to September, then they close until a solid freeze (to avoid trail damage) and re-open again from early Dec to early March. Winter off-roading is great fun, especially in a well-equipped Wrangler.
But even when you have the gear and the knowhow, it's definitely tougher in winter. Snow is fine IMO, it's ice and slush suck when they're ontop of solid smooth rock that has a steep enough grade to break traction.
Had two Jeeps. Both had major reliability issues. Bought an H3, no Chrome, front and rear lockers, skid plates, no problem....
Does anyone knows when the next gen wrangler coming?
2017
Death Wooble on highways ?????
I love my 2008 , but am terrified of death wooble ... So scary !!
We did not experience any death wobble on the highways. The wobble can happen if the suspension has been incorrectly modified.
My death wobble happened with no modification done . All factory parts and instillation:( no change in tire size .. Nothing .. it's so scary ! Will keep my current wrangler till keep can give me assurance a model is built with no wobble.... I'm hoping soon !!
Bettieann Fry Death wobble is common on solid front axle vehicles of any make, it is caused by loose or worn out suspension parts, on the new wranglers the most common cause is worn control arm bushings or improperly torqued control arm bolts but can also be caused by other worn front end parts, if you are experiencing this then you should have it checked, I offroad our rubicon pretty hard and keep tabs on it being that it is my wifes daily driver, we can drive at highway speeds with no issues, rides smooth even with the mud terrain tires
I agree with Jeremy, if you have death wobble you have one our more things worn out in your suspension. i have replaced all the steering parts with new in my 96 xj that has 8" lift and 37" supers swampers and it will run 80+ mph on the highway just as smooth as butter.
Death wobble happens when the alignment is out too. Take it to a serious shop and buy lifetime alignment.
Love the gunshots in the background, adds a unique outdoorsy feel to your video!!
Guys who buy the Rubicon want a Jeep that can "do" the Rubicon Trail! Comfort is a second option,first was lockers (no word about in this test) super low transfer gearing 4:1,big offroad tires,rock rails,low axel gearing,flexy suspension. If you want comfort buy some of these new and ugly SUVs with a Jeep logo on! My favorite Jeep are the older TJ Rubicon unlimited.
Just bought this exact Jeep color and everything mines a 2016 only been a day but I’m in love 😍
I remember taking my JK Rubi up the backside of Pikes Peak in deep snow. I kept sliding sideways and scared shitless...until I got back on dry land.
I've heard that running F/R lockers actually hurts deep snow driving as it's better to have one wheel act as an anchor. True?
When I was stuck a few times, I'd engage the lockers and would simply "yaw" instead of moving forward/backwards. On a very narrow shelf road, that's scary.
Tucsonan Dude I've heard some talk about that. I Iive in GA (so rarely have snow, even in the "mountains." I was driving a trail that had about 5" of snow. This was before I had my front locker, only had a rear. I was trying to see how far I could go in 2HI. It was old, crunchy snow. I did pretty well until I got into some tire ruts. I started going sideways. Put in 4HI, got out n locked the front hubs. It straightened out like I was on dry pavement. I have yet to drive in snow/ice with the front locked. I want to try it out.
Does anyone know how to clean stains in the metal rock rails? Thanks in advance.
What do you guys like better the 2 door you drove cross country for Motor Mountain Mondays or the 2 door?
TFL TFT has the best jobs in the world! lucky bastards
Not sure about others, but I reference Wrangler to the non-Rubicon in this series of Jeep. While Rubicon has a specific build. I need one of these to go with my old base camp 266k mile ZJ, as I live in more of a wooded area here in the Pacific Northwest. lol ;)
"tons of snow and ice" lol this man has never been to the northeast .
Right? 😂
The discontinuation of the FJ Cruiser and the Xterra makes it easy for me to choose the Wrangler when the time comes to go shopping for a manual transmission truck.
Same here. I drive a manual Xterra now, but am thinking of a Hard Rock Ruby.
I like the leather seats but it wouldn't make me go out and buy a new one. In Australia we are all waiting for the 3.0ltr intercooled turbo diesel. I have an 07 JKU CRD. I'd also run one on Hydrogen if someone could get a 3ltr v6 to run on it.
@G4O Comparing a Land Rover to the Jeep is crazy ( unfair to the Land Rover lol). Double the price for lots of Glitter, and more electronics to break down on you while off road ( wouldn't want to scratch the paint job ), and how many LR drivers actually know how to work on the vehicle ("Where's my road side assistance - in the middle of the woods").
@TFL Review is a little hard on the street capability of the Jeep. Pound for pound, dollar for dollar you can't buy a better all around vehicle for both summer/winter, on road/off road living. Base sport edition starting at about 19k ( Canadian), that's awesome value with the 3.6L Pentastar 285ph. Love my 2012 JK Sahara Unlimited. And Nathan, a little more excitement eh, tell us how you really feel.
Driving the 6 speed manual? Good!
i like the look of the jeep dont get me wrong but the toyota landcruiser Amazon is the king of all offroaders
+rscosworthfan Were you born stupid or did you have to work at it?
+NEPA Bushcraft Butthurt or something
What trail did you film this on?
If they are going to put different bumpers and such on it, I think they should include a factory installed winch.
Really wish Chrysler stuck with the 4.0L straight six. That motor out lasts any other with regular maintenance. Driving a '99 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.0L and it has 244,866 miles on it and its still going strong, no oil burning and plenty of power! I like the wranglers, but have always been a fan of the Cherokees, except the new ones, the soccer moms can have them.
It will never be as dependable as the boat anchor!
Nathan looks so at home in a Jeep. The color suits him too.
Wow... someone's not very good at driving in snow/ ice. I got less slippage in far worse conditions in my Liberty, lol. Ever heard of feathering the throttle?
Living in the south, I'd probably be even worse 😂 #fullthrottleahead
1:46 did he stall out?
the speedometer only goes up to 70? what?
Car appears much more capable than the driver here.
really want one of these but there very expensive in Britain
Kind of off topic but...Wow those tires suck in snow, wasn't expecting that. The only mud tires I have ever had were cooper discoverer stt's on my 2007 commander. I loved those tires for the looks, they were decent in the mud (I never got stuck) but the vehicle was just so heavy and only had the 3.7 v6 so it couldn't really spin the tires being awd, even in mud and I think that's what you really need to do in mud with mud tires (spin em). I only had them for a year before getting rid of the jeep and unfortunately I didn't get much snow experience (the most I got was 6 inches at once) but when I did use them in snow they did great.
I have 33'' discoverer stt's on my jeep and they are great in mud but in snow it's a whole other story. They don't get a lot of tracktion, I still love them a lot. Best tires i ever had.
The BFG KM1s on my Rubicon (same tires in this video) are terrible winter tires. There's no two ways about it. Great in mud, and other off road conditions. But if there's snow, ice, or standing water, they are terrible to the point of being scary. I can't wait to replace them with the new KO2.
Common misconception is that mud tires are good in the snow and ice because they're blocky. Their tread patterns and rubber compounds aren't designed for snow or ice.
The tires do great, been running for years. Have tried others over the years and they don't compare. If u get into wet slush, yeah ur going to spin plus he was forcing to tires to spin and loss traction and aired at 40psi they are over inflated for the situation
Other tires don't compare to mud tires with ZERO siping? What kind of drugs are you on? Wet slush is actually one of the better winter conditions for a pure mud tire, too.
Did he say the 3.6 Pentastar (car) engine is better than the bullet proof 4.0 six ? yeah they smoke funny stuff in CO.
I have a 4.0 and a 3.6... the 3.6 is better. But the 4.0 is still one of the best engines made
I have two issues with the Wrangler.
1. You can only get locking diffs in the Rubicon. How it is you can't get even a rear diff locker in a purpose built off roader is beyond me.
2. Price. The Wrangler Rubicon's price has bloated well into full-size truck territory. There is no way I'm paying Ram 1500 Sport/Ford FX4 money on a Wrangler.
You can also get a locking "Tru-Lock" rear dif in both the Black Bear and Altitude packages. Can only get the 4.10 gears in the Rubicon still. Those should be an option in all Wranglers.
+Andy Holmes I didn't realize that...The sales guy didn't even know, or maybe the Altitude and Black Bear editions aren't available in Canada...who knows.
Funny, I'd say there's no way I'm paying Wrangler Unlimited money on a Ram 1500...
i've never seen the dana 44 axles since the YJs
Now this is the kind of videos that puts a :-) in my face ...
You can't beat a Jeep's legendary out of the box offroad capability, especially the Rubicon. what is stupid is the prices for one. I do miss my Jeep. Had four of them and I am sure one day will again but when I can afford another one just as a toy.
"Who doesn't want to be Indiana Jones every single day the drive?" The best reason to buy a Jeep ever.
What does elevation have to do with anything?
Less air=less power
What is the song in the intro? The one that starts the review after the intro. I'd like to run to it sounds amazing.
Nirvana
Rubicon model is off road awesome. We already knew that. I would like to see/hear some pavement pounding before you got to your destination or trailhead. Has the 2015 jk improved the interior noise? How about 70mph highway speeds compared previous jk's? I already knew it would be a biased review but I still want to know more. Thumbs up anyway.
My favorite way to play in the dirt! 39k is damned pricey though, for a stock Wrangler. Is all the interior stuff worth the extra 7k over the base Rubicon?
1:55 did you air down??
You might have explain that concept to Mr. Indiana Jones
Although i absolutely love the wrangler im kind of disappointed after of its capabilities after going offroading a couple times in my dads 03 hummer.
I rented on my family said it was the most uncomfortable thing they ever rode in
It shouldn't have been comfortable. It's a highly capable off-road/street truck. It's definitely not going to ride as smooth as a luxury car and those who know wouldn't expect it to.
he he its not the best daily driver thats for sure.. but thats the way jeeps are
That's fine. Your family is likely not the target market, assuming they have no interest in off roading. I own a 2012 Unlimited Rubicon, and I really do feel like this is the wrong vehicle for anyone who does not want to off road. There are a thousand other SUVs out there that are better for your average family.
4,100 pounds??? Are you freaking kidding me? That little box is 4,100 pounds. Unreal, with all that plastic too.
the best off roader in the world . . .
Those are mud terrain tires. So it won't do as well on snow.
That is incorrect. Mud terrain tires are designed for mud AND snow. They are perfect for snowy conditions.
more wranglers videos pls.. ive watched them all
Save your money buy older wrangler if you just want a off road rig TJ will go anywhere.
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Would have liked the information without the noise.
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Nice video! Love manual transmission.
I hate the saying it's a jeep , yeah it can do anything but that don't mean fuck it up
Not a great review, but a good video. I like it. Thumbs up
Having had a 4.0L Cherokee, 2.5L TJ, 3.8L JK, and 3.6L JK in the past 4 years, all I have to say is, man, does this undersell the 3.6/manual combo. And the 3.8 was adequate in a 2 door, doggy in a 4, and questionable with an auto in either.
+grocer80
I'm a Jeep newbie. I never owned one, but am thinking about a new rubi with 6mt. Are you saying that the rubi with 6mt is quite capable?
Because after my test drive, I was about to buy it. What do you think?
+Ray Charles How a capable a manual Rubicon is depends on how good your clutch work is...that said, it's easy to beat the EPA rating and has enough hardware to get you pretty much anywhere. But it's still an acquired taste as far as a daily driver...solid axles, squishy springs, long shifts, wind noise, it is truly a modern version of the CJ5 (speaking as someone with a '76).
for the record own one of these the 10 AE 2013... yes gas mileage is not great but add that up for pure pleasure over a year and its not that much / pure pure pleasure.
a. drive great for a jeep on HW, raced a porsche cayanne and it barely and i mean barely pulled away, ( i could see the jaw drop on the owner ) corners decent for a jeep just run it tight and no over driving...christ its a jeep... off road OMG, .... interior part Jeep (the best yet) BMW interior and functional... GPS unit ok only... sound very good... Snow yes, tires really aren't as good as i would have thought... not sure why... ( vermont snow driver all my life ) this rig rocks.... so over all omg great !
I race in my Rubicon all the time. I dont always win.... but i still try
The real reason it's so heavy is because vehicles are getting fatter these days. Solid front and rear axles, a body-on-frame construction, and such are no excuses, as the old Wranglers, and CJ's demonstrated. Personally, I would give up some of the amenities like the mentioned heated seats, and other things like it, if it meant I could save some on gas.
40k for a Jeep? Are you kidding me? What's with the cost of automobiles these days?
It seems better to get an older jeep maybe a 96 with lower mileage and modify it than to pay 40 grand.
+Jaeden Fiocca this isn't a die hard off-roaders jeep. More of a weekend warrior that wants creature comforts
+Jaeden Fiocca That's what I have. 93 modified. 200k miles on it and sticking in a boat load of money. After 10 years and a total of 15 k into it, I have almost a new Jeep. 15k does include purchase price. I am not afraid of getting mud or water into it, or some battle damage. That thing I would be afraid of parking it in a parking lot. No way I would take it through the brush because afraid of scratching the paint. Also to much plastic on it. I would relegate it to being a mall crawler.
+John Bango PS, needs lift, bigger tires and stronger control arms. Add another 3 to 5k to the price. This would bring it up to the same capability as my 15k Jeep.
I agree too much for a vehicle that got the worst rating. I like the look but it's a pos when it comes to reliability.
They need to drop the VM 3.0L diesel in the Wrangler!
This comment section is entertaining
nearly $40k as tested... oh how times have changed with the new JL..
You Should Review the Toyota FJ Cruiser
Tires are fine, that’s not how you drive in the snow if you wanna go anywhere bud
Nice review. Thanks
A place where you can go 4 wheeling plus target shoot? I'm jealous!
Its not that great. Live like 5 minutes from this "trail", and its nearly a dirt road. Unless you take side roads, can get a Camry over most of it. He at least took the jeep a tiny ways up one of the cutoffs this time, unlike some other videos about Toyotas...