Steve, old buddy old pal, I know I might sound like an old scratched record but, is there any chance you could revisit the Q6600 and HD6450 in 2024-25, one last time, for old times sake, you know you want to, it would make a few of us old farts happy AND it was the system I was rocking when I first started watching your channel, go on please :)
any years ago I bought a dell with i believe an e6400 and 8GB of ram which later got upgraded to 16GB of ram and a Q6600 along with an 8800gt which required the use of a janky secondary PSU mounted in the 5.25" bay as the dell PSU wasn't up to the job and used non standard plugs for the motherboard. PC's are so much easier these days, basically just expensive lego.
I use a 13500T I pulled out of a Dell Optiplex with a failing motherboard. Runs cool and the igpu helps with quick sync based applications Also, having 14 cores in a small form factor is just insane.
these 1xx90F SKU’s are meant for Chinese internet cafés from what I remember, and their packaged box is black instead of the typical blue. interestingly enough, the 12490F is not a 12500 with the IGPU disabled since it has more cache - it has the same 20MB as the 12600K. the 13790F and 14790F are also pretty wacky, as the former has 33MB of cache across 8P/8E cores, propping it slightly above the vanilla 13700. but the 14790F actually has less E-cores than its vanilla counterpart (8P/8E instead of 8P/12E) but has 36MB just like the i9’s.
Love finding random CPU's naming like this when very limited amount of real world data. Glad that you manage to get this in you're hands and to make a video on it. Now its time to find a 9950x3d before release :D
Have you seen the recommended CPU specs for Kingdom Come Deliverance 2? I'll try it with my 12400F when its out but my gosh it looks like a very CPU heavy game
I've been waiting for the 2nd one for a while, built my new pc for it and GTA 6. (And any other newer games I will play). Ryzen 5 7600x and 4070 super was all I could really afford in it.
12400f actually performs really well in CPU intensive games. It outperformed 7500f in the first Kingdom Come game. The low RAM latency (thanks to on-die memory controller) makes it really suitable for open world games.
I bought one of these on October 1 from a NewEgg 3rd party seller, looks like they are still available as of today. Mostly a hobbyist/novelty purchase, the chip is working fine in a refurb MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4 motherboard. Nothing very special as you noted, but a fun chip to own and nicely priced.
Even though Ader Lake cpus with E-Cores enabled have higher 1% lows quantifiable via afterburner, for competitive hardcore first person shooters, disabling E-Cores gives you a smoother gameplay because when games try to switch assets between E and P cores there is a rough dip very similar to what you get on amd when assets have to switch between dies or ccx's on ryzen cpus, disabling e-cores essentially transform all LGA1700 cpus into genuine monolithic cpus.
Didn't know this CPU existed, but yeah, I wouldn't bother over the regular 12400F unless the price was right. I'd rather go for a 12600F, 13600F or 14600F (or the non-F variants to get an iGPU).
Sound to me like the best option is to get the 12400f and a board with a clockgen like the Asrock B760 PG Riptide that you can overclock locked 12th gen CPUs on.
As I can see from the screenshots, you performed the testing at the default power limit PL1=65 W. This is also confirmed by the result in CineBench R23. And why didn't you try to speed up the Ring Bus frequency to 4000 MHz? Ring Bus frequency affects the speed and latency of L3 cache.
Recently I bought z490 gaming plus with very rare i3-10320 all for around 120$. Have some plans to hunt for either 11700 or 11900k CPU, just to have that one time feeling of owning once, hi end CPU :)))
G'day Random, Nice Find. I do find these 'Intermediate' SKUs interesting especially when there is a mystery like the 🤔20MB Cache🤔, i5-12400/500/600 have 18MB Cache so the 12490 is intel using up ??? something else ??? that failed to be what it was meant to be.
Recently built a system with 12400f and rx6700, cost me about 650e for all new parts and runs games great on 1440p and even 4k on titles like mafia definitive edition (on high settings)
Hey Steve, could you please do a video on comparing the difference between an RTX 4060 and RTX 4060 low profile just to see if there is any difference with the performance? I dont think there is any difference in performance, but you never know. That would be awesome.
There is a difference, but you won't actually notice it in gameplay. I wonder why they bothered making this chip? Still, nice to have as a bit of a collectors item :)
Unique salvage coverage they're called odd balls in the trade Alder 12490F is 0.374 % of Alder long (full) run production, 12400F = 3.25%. Moving to Raptor 13490F 'odd ball' = 0.33% of 13th full run production and 13790F = 0.18%. At secondary sale price I'd move up to 12500 and ideally 600K_. mb
Low cost build, the i5 12400f is currently £85 + 2.95 delivery on CEX, Cheapest buy now LGA 1700 board on Ebay £59.99, I reckon with RAM DDR4 3200MHZ 16GB, £30+, PSU £40 - 50, SSD 512GB, £22 - 30, CASE, £40 - 50, CPU Cooler and Fans, £25 - 30, GPU £150 +. Total build cost £450 - £600, new and used parts.
I have 12400 bclk OCed to 5.2ghz and it is even faster than 12600k. The thing with alder lake is to find good mobo with bclk oc feature and u will find a really good value.
My 12490F has been running on that motherboard for over a year at 4.6 all cores (can do 5.3 but didn't see any meaningful gains). DDR5 at 6800MHz also helps.
Imagine a world where console gamers spent as much time being concerned over hardware aa they did gaming. It kinda makes you wonder of pc gamers are even gamers at all or just hardware addicts. My old 580 8gb is a beast and will be for another decade because new games are quite literaly trash and noone under 450lbs has played all the good games of the past.
Free? What are you talking about? Nothing is free in this world unless you get extremely lucky and be at the right spot at the right time when/if someone is throwing something out they don't want anymore.
Supposedly, this CPU was made from damaged i5-12600K, with efficiency cores being disabled and slightly lower clocks. Take with grain of salt. It has more cache than i5-12500 though.
Steve, old buddy old pal, I know I might sound like an old scratched record but, is there any chance you could revisit the Q6600 and HD6450 in 2024-25, one last time, for old times sake, you know you want to, it would make a few of us old farts happy AND it was the system I was rocking when I first started watching your channel, go on please :)
Haha I might do probably early next year
@@RandomGaminginHD I'll hold you to that, in fact, I'm gonna screenshot it ;)
That'd be interesting, as I remember owning its slightly less powerful brother, the Q6400.
@@RandomGaminginHD And overclock it to show the % difference 👀 pretty please
any years ago I bought a dell with i believe an e6400 and 8GB of ram which later got upgraded to 16GB of ram and a Q6600 along with an 8800gt which required the use of a janky secondary PSU mounted in the 5.25" bay as the dell PSU wasn't up to the job and used non standard plugs for the motherboard.
PC's are so much easier these days, basically just expensive lego.
These chinese black edition intel CPUs are so interesting.
I personally use an i5-14490f in my super compact itx build i use for traveling.
Cheaper?
I use a 13500T I pulled out of a Dell Optiplex with a failing motherboard. Runs cool and the igpu helps with quick sync based applications
Also, having 14 cores in a small form factor is just insane.
"My outdoor studio, also known as... outside" made me laugh harder than it had any right to
Anything with 2-3 fps difference is margin of error. Cyberpunk and RDR2 had identical performance on these CPUs.
Let's do a paradox, what about 3-4 fps?
Depends on the absolute fps amount. That's how margins ie percentages work lmao.
when its repeated on every single title its not margin of error
@@yudi8204uh dats not a paradox
@@BigGreyDonut yes it is
Would love to see how current mid range hardware handle the new Indiana jones dnd the great circle
Will test it Monday on a few configs :)
Keen to see how my R5 5600/RX 6600 does
That game isn't CPU intensive. 8700K + 2080 Ti does 60+ fps at 1440p high.
13490 and 14490 have even more L3 cache, 24MB (and also Error-cores) and should be faster than 12600k
these 1xx90F SKU’s are meant for Chinese internet cafés from what I remember, and their packaged box is black instead of the typical blue. interestingly enough, the 12490F is not a 12500 with the IGPU disabled since it has more cache - it has the same 20MB as the 12600K.
the 13790F and 14790F are also pretty wacky, as the former has 33MB of cache across 8P/8E cores, propping it slightly above the vanilla 13700. but the 14790F actually has less E-cores than its vanilla counterpart (8P/8E instead of 8P/12E) but has 36MB just like the i9’s.
Not wacky, they're just i7s and i9s that failed the binning process. Alder and Raptor Lake have tons of variants because they're monolithic die.
probably from 12600k(f) where the e cores didnt bin correctly, would make sense
It's a 12600KF without E-cores really.
Love finding random CPU's naming like this when very limited amount of real world data. Glad that you manage to get this in you're hands and to make a video on it. Now its time to find a 9950x3d before release :D
Good video as always
its everytime i open up his channel that the sub count rises , very noice and well deserved
Have you seen the recommended CPU specs for Kingdom Come Deliverance 2? I'll try it with my 12400F when its out but my gosh it looks like a very CPU heavy game
The first one was as well, the AI system is very heavy and the new one is supposedly even heavier
I've been waiting for the 2nd one for a while, built my new pc for it and GTA 6. (And any other newer games I will play). Ryzen 5 7600x and 4070 super was all I could really afford in it.
Should do the job just fine tho
12400f actually performs really well in CPU intensive games. It outperformed 7500f in the first Kingdom Come game. The low RAM latency (thanks to on-die memory controller) makes it really suitable for open world games.
Love your videos mate been watching for years. Keep up the good work 💪🏼
Greetings from Slovakia ❤ Have a nice rest of the day RGHD ❤
I bought one of these on October 1 from a NewEgg 3rd party seller, looks like they are still available as of today. Mostly a hobbyist/novelty purchase, the chip is working fine in a refurb MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4 motherboard. Nothing very special as you noted, but a fun chip to own and nicely priced.
I hope you also get your hands on 14901KE, which is 14900 without e-cores. my lord these rare CPUs are fun to watch and very interesting
Even though Ader Lake cpus with E-Cores enabled have higher 1% lows quantifiable via afterburner, for competitive hardcore first person shooters, disabling E-Cores gives you a smoother gameplay because when games try to switch assets between E and P cores there is a rough dip very similar to what you get on amd when assets have to switch between dies or ccx's on ryzen cpus, disabling e-cores essentially transform all LGA1700 cpus into genuine monolithic cpus.
Didn't know this CPU existed, but yeah, I wouldn't bother over the regular 12400F unless the price was right. I'd rather go for a 12600F, 13600F or 14600F (or the non-F variants to get an iGPU).
You forgot to get flood insurance on the outdoor studio!
intel chips ending in 90 have always held a mystique in my eyes, i remember back in the day looking for used i7 4790 and i5 4590 chips lol
Sound to me like the best option is to get the 12400f and a board with a clockgen like the Asrock B760 PG Riptide that you can overclock locked 12th gen CPUs on.
Not only that board could overclock a 12400f, the VRM also is similar to high end Z790 boards, so you could fit a 14900K without throttling it.
As I can see from the screenshots, you performed the testing at the default power limit PL1=65 W.
This is also confirmed by the result in CineBench R23.
And why didn't you try to speed up the Ring Bus frequency to 4000 MHz? Ring Bus frequency affects the speed and latency of L3 cache.
Tea IS your friend in winter, don't forget it, while in your "outside studio"😊
Curious how well this processor would overclock with a blck capable board? I got 5.3 ghz all core with my 12400f.
Bclk
Recently I bought z490 gaming plus with very rare i3-10320 all for around 120$. Have some plans to hunt for either 11700 or 11900k CPU, just to have that one time feeling of owning once, hi end CPU :)))
i'd rather go for the 10850k, 11th gen was ***
@@tobymarol7329 Thanks :) I completely forgot about that particular CPU 👍👍
Nice find
G'day Random,
Nice Find. I do find these 'Intermediate' SKUs interesting especially when there is a mystery like the 🤔20MB Cache🤔,
i5-12400/500/600 have 18MB Cache so the 12490 is intel using up ??? something else ??? that failed to be what it was meant to be.
Recently built a system with 12400f and rx6700, cost me about 650e for all new parts and runs games great on 1440p and even 4k on titles like mafia definitive edition (on high settings)
Hey Steve, could you please do a video on comparing the difference between an RTX 4060 and RTX 4060 low profile just to see if there is any difference with the performance? I dont think there is any difference in performance, but you never know. That would be awesome.
There is a difference, but you won't actually notice it in gameplay. I wonder why they bothered making this chip? Still, nice to have as a bit of a collectors item :)
Think you should've put the games on medium or low to further demonstrate the difference
Do the dell rx 6500 low profile, i havent seen a single person mention it, let alone review. I dont think it has external power either, just pcie slot
Unique salvage coverage they're called odd balls in the trade Alder 12490F is 0.374 % of Alder long (full) run production, 12400F = 3.25%. Moving to Raptor 13490F 'odd ball' = 0.33% of 13th full run production and 13790F = 0.18%. At secondary sale price I'd move up to 12500 and ideally 600K_. mb
Low cost build, the i5 12400f is currently £85 + 2.95 delivery on CEX, Cheapest buy now LGA 1700 board on Ebay £59.99, I reckon with RAM DDR4 3200MHZ 16GB, £30+, PSU £40 - 50, SSD 512GB, £22 - 30, CASE, £40 - 50, CPU Cooler and Fans, £25 - 30, GPU £150 +. Total build cost £450 - £600, new and used parts.
Yeah can’t go wrong with the 12400f for a budget build right now
Could you maybe test an i5 12500T or any T version, they are cutdown version and I wonder if there is any impact.
Its a slightly overclocked 12400 basically, more like a 12600 non k basically.
WI gamed perfectly fine on an 9th gen i5. I only upgraded because I could get a 12th gen i9, mobo, and 32 g DDR5 for $399.
I wonder if shaders' compilation time differs?
What a beautiful Winter's day in England. ;)
Lovely morning in Nantes as well 🙄 lol
I have 12400 bclk OCed to 5.2ghz and it is even faster than 12600k. The thing with alder lake is to find good mobo with bclk oc feature and u will find a really good value.
In China iirc the price was pretty compelling comparing to 12400 for quite sometime but later the price rise so it become not that worth buying
More cache? NOICE
Reality in performance, "Eh.. well.. I mean a few frames here?"
If you have Silent hill 2 remake you can use it for benchmarks, because the game has high requirements, especially for graphics cards.
Watching your videos takes me back to 2016. Thanks mate
please make a video of the 1080 ti this late 2024
Oh definitely it’s about time I revisited that
No snow?
The secret successor to the i7-4790.
Stay safe in the storm Steve
Is this made for pc cafes in China?
I love this special CPUs
My i5 12400 scores higher in cinebench r23:
Single: 1955
Multi: 15844
@5.2 and pulling up to 145w
He overclocked a non k CPU, this is blaspheme
That's a damn fine single core score though, my 5700x @4.85ghz hits 1590-1600 single core with a 15700 multi
Its possible to OC 12th gen non k cpus on some motherboards @@tyler6602
I mean if you oc it ofc gonna give more lol
What about the 13790F?
Overclock it with a asrock B760m pg riptide
My 12490F has been running on that motherboard for over a year at 4.6 all cores (can do 5.3 but didn't see any meaningful gains). DDR5 at 6800MHz also helps.
Good to know it can handle 6400mhz ram
Hi! :)
Do you play cs2 with bots at the max difficulty? Because damn you get wiped out every time i watch your reviews, lol
it's a binned 12600kf
The new Amd 9800x3D pretty much leaves intel obsolete for gaming, so I’m going to have to leave intel once I find one
show cpu clock 👍👍👍
neat it costs 2x the price of a 12400f
I have this on my bclock test bench and its fast as fuk on 5ghz..
Imagine a world where console gamers spent as much time being concerned over hardware aa they did gaming.
It kinda makes you wonder of pc gamers are even gamers at all or just hardware addicts.
My old 580 8gb is a beast and will be for another decade because new games are quite literaly trash and noone under 450lbs has played all the good games of the past.
What the
We need a only free parts pc, surely I can't be the only person who refuses to pay for parts ? If it's found for free, brilliant
Free? What are you talking about? Nothing is free in this world unless you get extremely lucky and be at the right spot at the right time when/if someone is throwing something out they don't want anymore.
:)
Supposedly, this CPU was made from damaged i5-12600K, with efficiency cores being disabled and slightly lower clocks. Take with grain of salt. It has more cache than i5-12500 though.
Man these gameplay snippets of you playing are always so cringe its like you never played a game in your life lmao