I'll try to nail the Indiana locations like I did on the other one: 20:50 St. Marys River bridge in Decatur, looking east at Mercer Ave. Water tower base remained until a few years ago. 23:15 Pacing down US 224. I went out this way with a friend once while we explored the old ROW for remnants 24:54 This bridge may be the one that once passed over Meridian Rd just outside Uniondale 25:03 S. Broadway St. overpass. All that remains here now is telegraph poles buried in a forest on the west side, and nothing on the east side. 25:34 Looking northwest from the same overpass. This is all forest now (again, with a telegraph pole here and there) 26:10 Looking west at EL/N&W crossing, train is crossing Briant St. N&W line is now the NS Huntington District, and is alive and well. As for the EL in this location modern-day... it's like it was never there in the first place. 0 signs of anything, wiped 100% clean. 26:19 Same train crossing EL diamonds. 26:33 EL depot, just north of the diamonds in the last few shots. Again, _nothing_ remains here today. All following shots through the end are generally in the same spot.
At 26:10, I'm pretty sure that the town of Huntington preserved an EL bridge on the same line, and just a side note, I've seen some indents in road and grassy areas to show signs of where tracks would've been
Very good work. As a kid I grew up in Lima and lived about a half mile west of the DT&I interlocking. ( south side of the tracks) I remember watching hundreds of EL freights and passenger trains going thru Lima. I seem to recall a lot of reefer blocks , particularly eastbound, of UPFE, PFE of west coast produce as well as Swift and Hormel reefers of fresh meat. I always perceived the EL as preferred “bridge carrier” between certain western roads and their east coast receivers. ( NKP was sorta one also) The EL also switched out a fair amount of tankers and coke hoppers 17:32 at the Sohio Refinery just past the EL overpass over Metcalf st. As someone else said, those were the days of gritty Midwest railroading. I’m glad I had the opportunity to see it!
Really nice again to see more of Paul's EL footage. For this one, the soundtrack I'm listening to is Kalinnikov's 1st Symphony (1st Movement) - on behalf of Ron's EL West End video. Here are a few more locations: 20:25 Indiana State Road 101 crossing near the IN/OH State Line (Rivare, IN). The train is westbound. 21:33 Winchester St. in Decatur, IN. It had a crossing watchman during the daytime and you can see him waving to the conductor at the end of the sequence. I'll bet those truck or bus chassis came from International Harvester in Springfield, OH. The passenger depot you see later became a museum and was nearly 150 years old when it was demolished in 1998. 22:14 DA Tower in Decatur, IN where the GR&I crossed. Paul is standing at the Line St. crossing and the train is eastbound. The speeds through Decatur were once pretty fast, but by the time this was shot it had been lowered quite a bit. Denny Hake's footage that you have on this channel has some great shots from this same location, including N&W on the Clover Leaf. 22:31 GS Tower in Kingsland, IN
18:06 should be Spencerville, 18:28 is crossing RT 116 with Spencerville in the background and 18:44 is S Defiance Trail. I've filmed RJ Corman at all these locations. Too bad nothing from Elgin is in here.
Very awesome Neat things stand out 1. How short the trains were 2. No graffiti to be found anywhere on the boxcars or any cars for that matter 3. Didn't know that the Midwest Ohio or Indiana had some wigs 4. How cool to see the wishbone gate around the 20:58 mark with the candy cane gate light
The B&O and the Erie and the Pennsy all used an interlocking in Akron and I cant remember its name and also the one at Sterling which was also gone when I started operating to Willard but heard plenty of stories about the Erie …. Thanks for sharing these videos, those “ wagon tops “ were warm in the winter ….
Aww, I'm kind of sad I didn't get to see Spencerville Ohio. I can hardly find anything about them here when they existed. This was still cool to watch.
Interesting to see the E8s bumped from passenger service down to freight. Some are former Lackawanna or Erie depending on whether or not they have a Mars light in the front.
I totally agree. I too would have liked to have been around to watch the action at Marion yard. BTW, the contraction is 'could've', NOT "could of". It stands for 'could have'. I'm not attacking you, I'm just saddened that very few people take pride in their language skills anymore.
@@mshum538 I recently retired as the head of a government organization that intercepts and deciphers alien transmissions coming from places like Mars, Titan, and Zeta Reticuli. We also keep tabs on Bigfoot and those pesky "ship sinkers" who live down in Atlantis. Why do you ask?
I lived in Marion from '63 to '69....I saw EL in action every day, toured the shops and yards many times. I spent a lot of time at passenger station watching C&O, N&W, PC and EL...what a show 12 diamonds about a hundred feet apart. Marion and EL will always have a special place in my heart....I get into Marion four to five time a year.
When i see all these old roads of yesterday and contrast it with todays monster long trains and directional running, i just want to cring. Especially in the mid west. There is a total lack of options to get cars on rails to actually roll on rails. Surely some of these old lines would have made for a use full thru way for amtrak to traverse without any frieght being delayed. Rails to trails do have a legitimate positive outcome but to me there have been to many missed opportunities to elevate true progress on both sides
Was it common for EL to use the E8s in freight service? I don't remember seeing very many 6 axle covered wagons in freight service anywhere else. Kind of cool, though. I see the SDP45 a lot, but as I understand it, the EL ordered the 45's for the extra large fuel tanks not necessarily for the steam generators. Very kool video!
Yes I saw them frequently here in Indiana. The crews hated them tho bec visability was bad when trying to make pickups or set outs. And like the aging F units, the E8's weren't all that reliable by the 70's.
@@b3j8 That's very interesting. I've always been curious as to which railroads used old E units for freight. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Santa Fe actually assigned Alco PAs to freight service as well.
@@mikejay8234 The EL was a always a frugal Railroad. Once the Lake Cities came off in 1970, the Company was happy to regear the E's for freight svc. Those SD-45's w/ the big fuel tanks, were bought to enable priority piggyback trains to run Chicago-Croxton w/o refueling. But often they were paired w/other power, incl those E's, and so required a fuel stop anyway.
@@RailroadMediaArchive Yeah I've been meaning to do that very thing. Thanks for the reply. This is great footage! At Marion, most fans either stayed near AC Tower or went over to the diesel service area.
Pre Conrail(1976). But at 3:59 there's an AMC Pacer ( unusual automobile) in the parking area. They were made 1975-1980. Though a 1975 could have been available in the fall of 1974. Hope that gives you a reference.
Lots of tired looking motive power in the beginning of this video. Not good times for the EL Too bad they couldn't stay out of Conrail. I wonder how many of these structures and the tracks aren't even there anymore?
I'll try to nail the Indiana locations like I did on the other one:
20:50 St. Marys River bridge in Decatur, looking east at Mercer Ave. Water tower base remained until a few years ago.
23:15 Pacing down US 224. I went out this way with a friend once while we explored the old ROW for remnants
24:54 This bridge may be the one that once passed over Meridian Rd just outside Uniondale
25:03 S. Broadway St. overpass. All that remains here now is telegraph poles buried in a forest on the west side, and nothing on the east side.
25:34 Looking northwest from the same overpass. This is all forest now (again, with a telegraph pole here and there)
26:10 Looking west at EL/N&W crossing, train is crossing Briant St. N&W line is now the NS Huntington District, and is alive and well. As for the EL in this location modern-day... it's like it was never there in the first place. 0 signs of anything, wiped 100% clean.
26:19 Same train crossing EL diamonds.
26:33 EL depot, just north of the diamonds in the last few shots. Again, _nothing_ remains here today. All following shots through the end are generally in the same spot.
23:15 I've driven this stretch of 224 many times and filled in my mind thoughts of what the trains here looked like. Really cool to see this!
Although not in the footage, the bridge over the Little Wabash river remains. Helps in getting your bearings.
At 26:10, I'm pretty sure that the town of Huntington preserved an EL bridge on the same line, and just a side note, I've seen some indents in road and grassy areas to show signs of where tracks would've been
Very good work. As a kid I grew up in Lima and lived about a half mile west of the DT&I interlocking. ( south side of the tracks) I remember watching hundreds of EL freights and passenger trains going thru Lima. I seem to recall a lot of reefer blocks , particularly eastbound, of UPFE, PFE of west coast produce as well as Swift and Hormel reefers of fresh meat. I always perceived the EL as preferred “bridge carrier” between certain western roads and their east coast receivers. ( NKP was sorta one also) The EL also switched out a fair amount of tankers and coke hoppers 17:32 at the Sohio Refinery just past the EL overpass over Metcalf st. As someone else said, those were the days of gritty Midwest railroading. I’m glad I had the opportunity to see it!
Really nice again to see more of Paul's EL footage. For this one, the soundtrack I'm listening to is Kalinnikov's 1st Symphony (1st Movement) - on behalf of Ron's EL West End video.
Here are a few more locations:
20:25 Indiana State Road 101 crossing near the IN/OH State Line (Rivare, IN). The train is westbound.
21:33 Winchester St. in Decatur, IN. It had a crossing watchman during the daytime and you can see him waving to the conductor at the end of the sequence. I'll bet those truck or bus chassis came from International Harvester in Springfield, OH. The passenger depot you see later became a museum and was nearly 150 years old when it was demolished in 1998.
22:14 DA Tower in Decatur, IN where the GR&I crossed. Paul is standing at the Line St. crossing and the train is eastbound. The speeds through Decatur were once pretty fast, but by the time this was shot it had been lowered quite a bit. Denny Hake's footage that you have on this channel has some great shots from this same location, including N&W on the Clover Leaf.
22:31 GS Tower in Kingsland, IN
Nice Chessie caboose at 17:23. Railroad Media Archive does excellent work with their videos. Thank you for sharing
this is great this is a film not a video. love the old films of trains
I grew up on old L&N in Kentucky loved seeing the old caboose we lived right next to the tracks always stopped to watch them pass thanks
Good old gritty railroading in the midwest at its best. Thanks for posting this! That track was something else.
Railfan 70 yrs in MN 🥶 and agree w/ you,r.r.at it's Midwest best,the F units,the RS 3s...just great videos,thanks❗❗
18:06 should be Spencerville, 18:28 is crossing RT 116 with Spencerville in the background and 18:44 is S Defiance Trail. I've filmed RJ Corman at all these locations. Too bad nothing from Elgin is in here.
Very awesome
Neat things stand out
1. How short the trains were
2. No graffiti to be found anywhere on the boxcars or any cars for that matter
3. Didn't know that the Midwest Ohio or Indiana had some wigs
4. How cool to see the wishbone gate around the 20:58 mark with the candy cane gate light
Road names with no graffiti back then. Very nice.
🐶Thanks!
Thank you!
@@RailroadMediaArchive You're Welcome! Seeing the West End of the EL is awesome.
I remember Erie Lackawanna going through Mansfield, Ohio in the 60's. Very busy line across there then.
That as former Erie trackage.
Just so awesome. I have a number of pictures between Lima and Huntington, all after Conrail. So it was great to see EL action here. Thank you so much.
The B&O and the Erie and the Pennsy all used an interlocking in Akron and I cant remember its name and also the one at Sterling which was also gone when I started operating to Willard but heard plenty of stories about the Erie …. Thanks for sharing these videos, those “ wagon tops “ were warm in the winter ….
What location in this film had the main lines at different levels?
Thank you for sharing. It was a FAN-tastic video, so many memories for me.👍
Aww, I'm kind of sad I didn't get to see Spencerville Ohio. I can hardly find anything about them here when they existed. This was still cool to watch.
Keep up the great content Thanks!
Thank you!
Interesting to see the E8s bumped from passenger service down to freight. Some are former Lackawanna or Erie depending on whether or not they have a Mars light in the front.
Man I'm from Marion and I drive past this yard everyday I wish I could of seen it back then
I totally agree. I too would have liked to have been around to watch the action at Marion yard.
BTW, the contraction is 'could've', NOT "could of". It stands for 'could have'. I'm not attacking you, I'm just saddened that very few people take pride in their language skills anymore.
@@mikejay8234What did you do for a living Michael along with enjoying trains as a kid ?
@@mshum538 I recently retired as the head of a government organization that intercepts and deciphers alien transmissions coming from places like Mars, Titan, and Zeta Reticuli. We also keep tabs on Bigfoot and those pesky "ship sinkers" who live down in Atlantis. Why do you ask?
I lived in Marion from '63 to '69....I saw EL in action every day, toured the shops and yards many times. I spent a lot of time at passenger station watching C&O, N&W, PC and EL...what a show 12 diamonds about a hundred feet apart. Marion and EL will always have a special place in my heart....I get into Marion four to five time a year.
Nice to know it's still there.
I always wondered why they bought SDP45s over the standard SD45 model. Were they planning on using them on passenger trains?
@@tommythomason6187 Larger fuel tank.
Interesting to see the two B&LE cabeese in the sequence at Kenton, OH.
Kenton. At one time, the caboose capital of the world, International Car.
Nice Railroading Keep Up The Good Work
Chrysler corporation was one of Erie Lackawanna's biggest customers, as countless Chrysler vehicles were shipped on Erie Lackawanna's auto racks.
Amazing all the cars shipped in open carriers and exposed to weather and vandalism.
Cool footage 😊
...Great video thank you...
So cool, thanks !
Good stuff! Thanks!
When i see all these old roads of yesterday and contrast it with todays monster long trains and directional running, i just want to cring. Especially in the mid west. There is a total lack of options to get cars on rails to actually roll on rails. Surely some of these old lines would have made for a use full thru way for amtrak to traverse without any frieght being delayed. Rails to trails do have a legitimate positive outcome but to me there have been to many missed opportunities to elevate true progress on both sides
I noticed what seemed like a lot of bad track in many of these sequences. They sure did rock 'n' roll the cars.
Was it common for EL to use the E8s in freight service? I don't remember seeing very many 6 axle covered wagons in freight service anywhere else. Kind of cool, though. I see the SDP45 a lot, but as I understand it, the EL ordered the 45's for the extra large fuel tanks not necessarily for the steam generators. Very kool video!
Yes I saw them frequently here in Indiana. The crews hated them tho bec visability was bad when trying to make pickups or set outs. And like the aging F units, the E8's weren't all that reliable by the 70's.
@@b3j8 That's very interesting. I've always been curious as to which railroads used old E units for freight. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Santa Fe actually assigned Alco PAs to freight service as well.
@@mikejay8234 The EL was a always a frugal Railroad. Once the Lake Cities came off in 1970, the Company was happy to regear the E's for freight svc. Those SD-45's w/ the big fuel tanks, were bought to enable priority piggyback trains to run Chicago-Croxton w/o refueling. But often they were paired w/other power, incl those E's, and so required a fuel stop anyway.
@@b3j8 The U34CHs doomed the E8s to freight service.
@@jeffreymcfadden9403 True.
What was the facility with the L&N cabooses?
International Car Co. (like it says in the video chapter)
I wish I could find someone with good knowledge of Marion Yard operations. I've got some questions.
Visit the museum in the station at Marion. There are former employees who volunteer.
@@RailroadMediaArchive Yeah I've been meaning to do that very thing. Thanks for the reply. This is great footage! At Marion, most fans either stayed near AC Tower or went over to the diesel service area.
Trip seeing a caboose 😮used to be everywhere😢
What year was this?
Pre Conrail(1976). But at 3:59 there's an AMC Pacer ( unusual automobile) in the parking area. They were made 1975-1980. Though a 1975 could have been available in the fall of 1974. Hope that gives you a reference.
It's not known. Definitely post 1973 which was when EL went on a blitz painting their structures red.
Also at 21:54 is a brand new Railbox boxcar. Railbox as a company started in 1974.
L&N caboose #6425 at International Car was the first of a group of 50. It was built in August, 1974.
Lots of tired looking motive power in the beginning of this video. Not good times for the EL Too bad they couldn't stay out of Conrail. I wonder how many of these structures and the tracks aren't even there anymore?