Ever since I started watching your tips/tft content I manged to go from hard stuck gold to Emerald 3 peak thanks a lot. Keep up the great work I cant wait to learn more from ya!
@@FrodanTV was gonna tell that. i dont get where that came from in the first place. It clearly states in the tool tip its only kills and not takedowns/assist.
@@ohno4435 thats true but i rather have Better dmg item and i had more success with that, but its fine if u dont have other stuff ofc. But dont Think its core like some say
I clearly need help executing Warden Snipers because i go bot 4 with it nearly every game. I transition from a win streak of ghostly snipers or similar but the 4-1/4-2 rolldown almost never hits and even when I do hit, the team still isn't strong enough through stage 4 and 5 and i just bleed out
There is a lot that could play into this. If you are in a high econ portal other players might put a stronger board together that yours bc warden snipers biggest strength is efficiency. Another factor is that when playing from ahead you might have unfortunate timing. When you hit 8 and roll down first there are all those 4-costs in the pool that you don't want. If you roll after maybe lillia players have hit their stuff you are much more likely to hit. Last thing to consider might be that you need a good augment to cap out high. Without emblems or snipers focus the comp isn't as good anymore. And also there are of course a lot of the small things like having sunder and antiheal where you need it and avoid clumping against lillia. The last thing I can tell you is that you kinda need to stay flexible with your frontline because I often find myself not finding naut or sett until level 9. I often put in annie, ornn or diana instead. And if I don't hit ashe I usually stay in ghostly senna, maybe that will work better for you. That being said I'm only low plat so maybe people there are just too bad to put good boards together quickly.
From the costreams, Dishsoap was saying for this comp that you want 3/3 combat augments. He also said that sitting on Aphelios 2 is better than Ashe 1, so don’t switch until you hit Ashe 2.
I think Bruiser Sylas deserves to be on here - it's one of the most flexible comps to pivot into if you miss, it contests/is contested by like 3 or 4 comps on this tier list, and if played well it's pretty much unstoppable.
For the inkshadow comps, it is VERY powerful if you get toxin as the inkshadow item and have blighting jewel to put on morgana, it’s basically an instant win because of the interaction between these two items, so look for it if you have an artifact start and have toxin as one of the inkshadow item
Teemo re-roll is also REALLY good if you hit either Manazane/blighting jewel so you dont need to hit lux 3(althought it is still pretty good). If you get both manaze and blightning jewel you drop storyweaver/arcanists/lux and just go for 4 trickster 4 warden/bruiser and teemo is now your hero
I’ve climbed 300 LP this patch by playing trickshot bruiser with teemo or kaisa or xayah carry, been learning how to play early game, pick augments, and slam items from your VOD review series, been really helpful
i think worth mentioning is Baboom Kindred for the Kindred reroll makes it super strong, even stronger then Baboom Syndra i feel. i got it 4 times and went 1st every time, also i went Bluebuff/Jg/Nashors and ignored anti heal cause u kill stuff so fast anyway they dont get time to heal. And i played lots of Alune aswell and tried only going for it with Archangel as the core item. with 6 Umbrals u get so much shields its scales up easy and can oneshoot stuff over time, and mana items are not that important cause its the later casts that matters and u dont need her to cast that much before the archangel stacks.
Why does Zoe want shiv? Is it just to also shred the extra targets her spell bounces to? Is that really worth an item slot if you can get shred elsewhere?
Diana is just a trait bot, Rakan adds a lot more value. I would go Diana over Rakan if I had like no omnivamp at all, but if you have at least a BT on Lee Sin, Rakan's utility is more useful, especially if you 2*him
Why did the yorick hero augment go down a tier. It was A-tier last time and I would argue is S-tier if you get everything online. I remember you made the argument that yorick and shen are not S tier because they are contingent that you hit everything on tempo, but I'm pretty sure you can say that for all comps in the S tier so I never really understood that reasoning. The stat for yorick hero augment is still one of the best performing as it didn't receive any changes, so you placing the comp down a tier doesn't make any sense to me.
If you check stat the yorick 2-1 augment actually have pretty mid stat. The actually OP one is the 3-2 + version of the augment because it give you a 2* Yorick for free
I shame all ireila players in lobby , just seems no matter what the comp is they will instantly take her and shove items on her just because shes strong. And there's the afk highrollers who take no units , take bare minimum farm a loss streak , power to 9 , get 2 star ireila and dunk people. Its such a volatile way to play.
subscribed for this video . that was awsome education video i been playing for 2weeks im a chess player and love it. im already platnium and its getting hard!
Ever since I started watching your tips/tft content I manged to go from hard stuck gold to Emerald 3 peak thanks a lot. Keep up the great work I cant wait to learn more from ya!
Leduck confirmed that shiv does not work for Zoe passive scaling
Ok thanks good to know!
@@FrodanTV was gonna tell that. i dont get where that came from in the first place. It clearly states in the tool tip its only kills and not takedowns/assist.
@@Noodlezoupful still useful because you can randomly steal some kills with it tho
@@ohno4435 thats true but i rather have Better dmg item and i had more success with that, but its fine if u dont have other stuff ofc. But dont Think its core like some say
@@Noodlezoupful agreed, not core and greeding for it isn't worth
I clearly need help executing Warden Snipers because i go bot 4 with it nearly every game. I transition from a win streak of ghostly snipers or similar but the 4-1/4-2 rolldown almost never hits and even when I do hit, the team still isn't strong enough through stage 4 and 5 and i just bleed out
Do you always have guinsoos?
@@rgee for the most part, that's one of the only times I angle the comp when my opening items can make it and I have a good start for it
There is a lot that could play into this. If you are in a high econ portal other players might put a stronger board together that yours bc warden snipers biggest strength is efficiency. Another factor is that when playing from ahead you might have unfortunate timing. When you hit 8 and roll down first there are all those 4-costs in the pool that you don't want. If you roll after maybe lillia players have hit their stuff you are much more likely to hit. Last thing to consider might be that you need a good augment to cap out high. Without emblems or snipers focus the comp isn't as good anymore.
And also there are of course a lot of the small things like having sunder and antiheal where you need it and avoid clumping against lillia.
The last thing I can tell you is that you kinda need to stay flexible with your frontline because I often find myself not finding naut or sett until level 9. I often put in annie, ornn or diana instead. And if I don't hit ashe I usually stay in ghostly senna, maybe that will work better for you.
That being said I'm only low plat so maybe people there are just too bad to put good boards together quickly.
From the costreams, Dishsoap was saying for this comp that you want 3/3 combat augments. He also said that sitting on Aphelios 2 is better than Ashe 1, so don’t switch until you hit Ashe 2.
@@kju-uu8me I'm high Diamond but I still don't think that changes the poor tempo this board has in relation to all the other comps in the game
I think Bruiser Sylas deserves to be on here - it's one of the most flexible comps to pivot into if you miss, it contests/is contested by like 3 or 4 comps on this tier list, and if played well it's pretty much unstoppable.
It’s included in the Kobuko build but maybe we should do it anyways
For the inkshadow comps, it is VERY powerful if you get toxin as the inkshadow item and have blighting jewel to put on morgana, it’s basically an instant win because of the interaction between these two items, so look for it if you have an artifact start and have toxin as one of the inkshadow item
According to leduck, shiv Zoe is not actually giving her stacks on her ability unless she somehow gets the kill with the shiv
Noted! Leave it to leduck to dispel urban myths
Teemo re-roll is also REALLY good if you hit either Manazane/blighting jewel so you dont need to hit lux 3(althought it is still pretty good). If you get both manaze and blightning jewel you drop storyweaver/arcanists/lux and just go for 4 trickster 4 warden/bruiser and teemo is now your hero
whats a good overlay to use?
I’ve climbed 300 LP this patch by playing trickshot bruiser with teemo or kaisa or xayah carry, been learning how to play early game, pick augments, and slam items from your VOD review series, been really helpful
Would you consider adding a levelling guide to the site? I think that would be a nice addition. Good job regardless!
i think worth mentioning is Baboom Kindred for the Kindred reroll makes it super strong, even stronger then Baboom Syndra i feel. i got it 4 times and went 1st every time, also i went Bluebuff/Jg/Nashors and ignored anti heal cause u kill stuff so fast anyway they dont get time to heal. And i played lots of Alune aswell and tried only going for it with Archangel as the core item. with 6 Umbrals u get so much shields its scales up easy and can oneshoot stuff over time, and mana items are not that important cause its the later casts that matters and u dont need her to cast that much before the archangel stacks.
Great content, great production. You are top tier. Keep up the good work!
I see the tier list completely different now after hearing the commentary. Thank you!
Why does Zoe want shiv? Is it just to also shred the extra targets her spell bounces to? Is that really worth an item slot if you can get shred elsewhere?
would u recommend sticking to the S / A tier or sometimes playing b / c or even just creative comps can work?
Always angle S/A by default. The other comps are fall backs or if you get really lucky on hitting certain units or augments and know the line
Thanks Frodan! Your tier lists are always spot on. Thanks for all your hard work.
For that duelist comp, should it be diana over rakan for sage?
Diana is just a trait bot, Rakan adds a lot more value.
I would go Diana over Rakan if I had like no omnivamp at all, but if you have at least a BT on Lee Sin, Rakan's utility is more useful, especially if you 2*him
Plus, thats for 8 duellist. You could easily go 6 by dropping Yas+Darius for Janna+Diana for 4 dragonlord and sage
I haven't seen anyone in diamond lobby play 7 storyweaver, but it's good to know it is in S-tier.
It’s very strong if you get it rolling - just make sure you have an emblem or a reason to start playing it like Call to Adventure
Hey Frodan just wanted to say I finally hit plat with duelist lee sin thanks to your videos, mainly for your duelist video
1 red 2 blue Kayle better than 3 blue?
You probably won’t see this but i’m trying to send you a vod to review sadge it’s a EUNE gm/chal lobby have a few good games of unusual comp
Never been a guide person but getting 7th/8th place consistently at Emerald got me desperate 💀
Any chance you could add in a filter/search for the tierlist so one can search for units or traits? Love the page and videos, really great work :)
Good idea!
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Why did the yorick hero augment go down a tier. It was A-tier last time and I would argue is S-tier if you get everything online. I remember you made the argument that yorick and shen are not S tier because they are contingent that you hit everything on tempo, but I'm pretty sure you can say that for all comps in the S tier so I never really understood that reasoning. The stat for yorick hero augment is still one of the best performing as it didn't receive any changes, so you placing the comp down a tier doesn't make any sense to me.
It gets weaker the higher ranks you go because it punishes weak boards that don’t have enough DPS to kill Yorick
You can get top 2 woth yorick augment emerald amd below, but in masters above you get like 4th at best.
If you check stat the yorick 2-1 augment actually have pretty mid stat. The actually OP one is the 3-2 + version of the augment because it give you a 2* Yorick for free
I shame all ireila players in lobby , just seems no matter what the comp is they will instantly take her and shove items on her just because shes strong. And there's the afk highrollers who take no units , take bare minimum farm a loss streak , power to 9 , get 2 star ireila and dunk people. Its such a volatile way to play.
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Balanced set but too boring
Fair
Second! Lol
subscribed for this video . that was awsome education video i been playing for 2weeks im a chess player and love it. im already platnium and its getting hard!
Loving the game rn tbh its pretty flexible 🤌🏼 lots of viable comps. You can kind of get away with some trolling too its great