I'm in my 30s, and I still remember a time when most products used glass and metal. It wasnt until the mid-90s when things were mostly plastic in our kitchen. Glass and metals are easily recycled, and they don't come with the unwanted health risks of plastic.
I'm in my 40s and i remember the same thing. And what really ticks me of, is that a few years ago, Heinz still sold glas bottles here in the Netherlands. I mean: having a glass bottle with slow ketchup coming out was their bloody sellingpoint in the 90s. But they took it of the shelf and made it plastic. A couple of months ago, most mayonnaise jars were made of glass but are now plastic.
Glass is heavy which adds to the transportation costs. Also, recycling glass takes much more energy than plastics. So overall glass even in a recycled form is more expensive than recycled plastic.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk Glass can be recycled endlessly. Some plastic can be down-cycled and made into something else. Usually its one to four times before the plastic become useless depending on plastic. At the end plastics uses more energy. The only reason companies stopped using glass was to avoid having to collect, clean and reuse glass bottles. Beverage companies saved billion doing this and others followed as people got use to the convenience of plastic to chuck it and forget it.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk In the short term it is more expensive but consider how much pollution we have achieved using plastics. That is the issue. Sorry to the billionaire CEOs that have thinner wallet padding because of glass.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk sadly we don't do the full systems (thinking) analysis to accurately calculate full systems cost / impact: instead, we frame anything outside our focus of concern as an 'externality'. One of the root problems is that we don't have either a common global set of shared economic, social and environmental values or legally enforced laws and standards in support of those values.
I appreciate it if it is done to make the product more recyclable. But get it right the first time and be done with it. WAY more packaging changes are made to either save cost or for "shrinkflation" or because the marketing department wants other branding, probably because they think I am more likely I buy their product because it is now an even brighter shade of the colour it was in originally. Drives me absolutely nuts, because for some products it really feels that the packaging is changing every couple of months and it makes it so much harder to find. Or you grab a product that has an ALMOST exactly the same packaging as another. So for a shower gel I recently grabbed one that smelled of Thyme instead of Lavender. Both had lilac colour on the outside and you have to look pretty closely to spot the difference. Not only that, but they keep adjusting recipes or composition of the products as well. You finally found a deodorant that you like, that doesn't leave marks or dries out your armpits? You bet on it that a couple months later the come out with a NEW version that is even better. But suddenly turns your armpit to fish scales or leaves white marks on your clothing. That the supermarkets keep constantly rearranging their shelves does not help matters either. All together: shopping is way more complicated than it needs to be. Wasting money and time for all parties involved. End of rant...
Back to " glass " and " ceramic " Bottle plastic contain " MicroPlastic " and " NanoPlastic " So return to " Glass " and " ceramic " Many problem with plastic are gone Simple as that
Glass is heavy which adds to the transportation costs. Also, recycling glass takes much more energy than plastics. So overall glass even in a recycled form is more expensive than recycled plastic.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk if u look for cost of money ( / energy ) maybe glass it is ekspensive But if u look for overal health issue of plastic to human existent it's ekspensive We talk about human life because the cheaper cost recycle plastic would cost human life to perish from the world U can see the forever chemical cause use throw the forever chemical in nature it is CHEAPER than destroyed the forever chemical So we have this kind disaster into our planet from land, water, air even effect to animal, baby defect, cancer, etc
Begs the question why not make ketchup bottles out of glass like a sane person. Glass is made of minerals. It’s not poison in the environment and your body. You cab recycle it into sand by throwing into the sea.
When it comes to all environmental concerns, every company says 'soon'. Forever. They do as little as possible and nothing if they can. The customer has no control; we are at the whim of how companies decide to package what we need. Companies need to be responsible for ALL disposal or recycling of their packaging. Period!
These changing caps are so dumb, it changes nothing. Now we have a carton of milk with a cap you need to manually remove or you will have milk absolutely everywhere, in the past we used to tear a carton of milk open and fold it back to close it. We have gone five steps back over twenty years, you can put ketchup in a glass jar and be done with it using a damn spoon. But no, we need to sell the smallest amount possible in the biggest plastic container that is easy to use for the end user.
The silicone valves are brilliant, so much so that I will stockpile bottles with the current type of cap for reuse. The caps will eventually break because of the live hinge. From the schematics of the new cap I believe the result will be that when finishing the bottle some small amount of ketchup will remain stuck in the crevices of the cap. A much more eco-friendly solution would be to sell the best designed reusable bottle and then sell refill bags, rather than sell a fresh bottle with every ~300ml of product. Refill bags can be made from the easiest to recycle material and overall require much less material.
This actually used to be a thing, at least in our town. We used to be able to buy giant metal cans of ketchup that could be used to refill the bottles. No idea why they stopped.
@@notoriousresearcher It might still be available for the hospitality industry but the point is it is not available for consumers even though it is the more eco-friendly option.
I appreciate the note, albeit at the very end, that just making a recyclable package is only part of the problem. Where I live more than 60% of recyclable packaging types are outright or effectively excluded by the recyclers servicing people's homes. Part of this is because plastic recycling feedstocks are sold by mass, and therefore only the ones that can be most easily densified are commercially sustainable. Another part of this is because they require that the customer at home do the job of removing nearly 100% of food residue (or anything that could be mistaken for it) from packaging. People get kinda ticked about having to run their trash through the dishwasher. Another insult is that they insist on tops & lids, which are often a different material than the primary package, remaining attached...which makes two recyclable things into one non-recyclable thing. Finally, one must take plastic bags and certain plastic films to a special collection (sometimes hosted at a grocery store, sometimes someplace else completely random) which may or may not be accepting more at any given time.
This reminds me of that old joke about NASA making a ballpoint pen that can work in space, while Russia simply used a pencil. Why do we need to have recyclable ketchup bottles, when we could just have ones that are reusable? We don't need to keep buying things in quantities like this, when we could just go to the grocery store and run a pump that pumps out the amount of ketchup we want into our own container. What a world we live in.
(1) FWIW, the Fisher Pen Company, now called the Fisher Space Pen Co, was already working on pressure-fed pens when NASA staff realized that regular ballpoints required gravity to function properly. No taxpayer funding went directly toward development. Pens are used because pencils snap, and the result is not something you want either in your eye or sensitive electronics. Heck, even the Russians and Chinese use pens in their Space Programs. (2) This "It is both more and less complicated" theme applies to reusing packaging. I don't know if you remember the 1980s when a great deal more things were just sold in plain cardboard boxes without any liners, or at most a waxed paper bag inside. Then some psycho contaminated a container of Tylenol and put it back on the shelf, intentionally, and with fatal consequences. Ever since then food safety regulations in the USA, Canada, and Europe have been rather (and increasingly) strict-without any regard for packaging reuse or recyclability. This food safety limitation is what makes it a virtual requirement for many kinds of dispensed foods (such as ketchup) to either be shipped in a dispenser to the end customer or dispensed either directly onto other food or into disposable containers. Many other things, such as mixed nuts and shampoo, are more amenable to container reuse (as the cleanliness requirements for safety aren't as strict) and a small number of companies (in limited markets, with high enough populations) are attempting to offer the sales experience you desire.
Problems often cannot be solved so easily, even if supposed solutions are so obvious. Regarding your anecdote, putting a pencil in a spaceship is a bad idea because the graphite dust in weightlessness can lead to fatal electrical faults. In order to establish a multi-way system, a lot of work has to be done in advance and of course as a consumer you have to lobby the industry.
This is the way to go for recycling and reverse logistics (cyclical supply chains). The materials and redesign were hardly touched, but for easy recycling we can no longer cut the cost. It’s an investment in our future
The Kraft Heinz ketchup cap is still *NOT* recyclable! It simply will not make it through automated sorting facilities.... and will likely be thrown in the garbage, by hand. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♀️🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♀️
Most ground pollution comes down to how much materials actually make it to the landfill. This varies by country and can be up to 80% don't make it. Recycling is the wrong way to go. Companies should be using biodegradable and compostable plastics that are made with plants. If they don't make it to the landfill they will degrade in nature.
Heinz should design a bottle/cap which at least gives you a realistic chance to get all the ketchup out of the bottle without removing the cap and using a knive or spoon.
This is not a "struggle". Just make a tiny mouth made of the same material. The actual "struggle" is them knowing they will make less money if they make the product inferior.
Why not have all packaging be biodegradable? Then don't have to try and sort out all the different packaging and sustain much energy (and more pollution) to reuse.
Recycling hype is mostly greenwashing. If companies would put their research money into developing bioplastics that are compostable ad TRULY recyclable we would all be better off. We can't recycle our way out of the plastics problem.
First I love Ketchup and I could buy a plastic bag like milk style and place my favorite Ketchup or any other souces I love in a dispenser type with logo of my favorite or designer type to fit my need of dispenser space look that fits style I like it to have it placed in area of use I love.
Marketing should be severely limited by law, you ask me. It creates unnecessary needs and a lot of waste by making you feel you got an inferior product, so you have to buy a new one. They use all kinds of psychology to trick people into buying stuff they don't need and sometimes don't even actually want. Marketing furthers unbridled consumerism, which in turn is the largest contributor to the damage we do to the planet. It should be criminal to do so, but somehow it isn't.
Seems you always preface your posts with a questions but ya'll seem to know a lot about GARBAGE and KETCHUP .. Ironically and by default I Guess by you'd know a lot about Trump
I'm in my 30s, and I still remember a time when most products used glass and metal. It wasnt until the mid-90s when things were mostly plastic in our kitchen.
Glass and metals are easily recycled, and they don't come with the unwanted health risks of plastic.
I'm in my 40s and i remember the same thing. And what really ticks me of, is that a few years ago, Heinz still sold glas bottles here in the Netherlands. I mean: having a glass bottle with slow ketchup coming out was their bloody sellingpoint in the 90s.
But they took it of the shelf and made it plastic.
A couple of months ago, most mayonnaise jars were made of glass but are now plastic.
Galss, metals are easily recyceled for 1000 times, But they require more energy to produce and ship !
Man if only they had a durable, reuseable and cheap material like glass to sell ketchup in. Too bad we don't...
Glass is heavy which adds to the transportation costs. Also, recycling glass takes much more energy than plastics. So overall glass even in a recycled form is more expensive than recycled plastic.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk Glass can be recycled endlessly. Some plastic can be down-cycled and made into something else. Usually its one to four times before the plastic become useless depending on plastic. At the end plastics uses more energy. The only reason companies stopped using glass was to avoid having to collect, clean and reuse glass bottles. Beverage companies saved billion doing this and others followed as people got use to the convenience of plastic to chuck it and forget it.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk In the short term it is more expensive but consider how much pollution we have achieved using plastics. That is the issue. Sorry to the billionaire CEOs that have thinner wallet padding because of glass.
@@laughy38247357075834 Yes, probably when glass was phased out, decision-makers thought more about money than the environment.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk sadly we don't do the full systems (thinking) analysis to accurately calculate full systems cost / impact: instead, we frame anything outside our focus of concern as an 'externality'.
One of the root problems is that we don't have either a common global set of shared economic, social and environmental values or legally enforced laws and standards in support of those values.
Plastics are not - NOT - easily recyclable. There are about 25 basic types of plastics, and a tsunami of variants within each.
Also the plastic needs to be clean.
I appreciate it if it is done to make the product more recyclable. But get it right the first time and be done with it.
WAY more packaging changes are made to either save cost or for "shrinkflation" or because the marketing department wants other branding, probably because they think I am more likely I buy their product because it is now an even brighter shade of the colour it was in originally.
Drives me absolutely nuts, because for some products it really feels that the packaging is changing every couple of months and it makes it so much harder to find. Or you grab a product that has an ALMOST exactly the same packaging as another. So for a shower gel I recently grabbed one that smelled of Thyme instead of Lavender. Both had lilac colour on the outside and you have to look pretty closely to spot the difference.
Not only that, but they keep adjusting recipes or composition of the products as well. You finally found a deodorant that you like, that doesn't leave marks or dries out your armpits? You bet on it that a couple months later the come out with a NEW version that is even better. But suddenly turns your armpit to fish scales or leaves white marks on your clothing.
That the supermarkets keep constantly rearranging their shelves does not help matters either. All together: shopping is way more complicated than it needs to be. Wasting money and time for all parties involved. End of rant...
Back to " glass " and " ceramic "
Bottle plastic contain " MicroPlastic " and " NanoPlastic "
So return to " Glass " and " ceramic "
Many problem with plastic are gone
Simple as that
Glass is heavy which adds to the transportation costs. Also, recycling glass takes much more energy than plastics. So overall glass even in a recycled form is more expensive than recycled plastic.
@@Mackcolak-xf5bk if u look for cost of money ( / energy ) maybe glass it is ekspensive
But if u look for overal health issue of plastic to human existent it's ekspensive
We talk about human life because the cheaper cost recycle plastic would cost human life to perish from the world
U can see the forever chemical cause use throw the forever chemical in nature it is CHEAPER than destroyed the forever chemical
So we have this kind disaster into our planet from land, water, air even effect to animal, baby defect, cancer, etc
Begs the question why not make ketchup bottles out of glass like a sane person. Glass is made of minerals. It’s not poison in the environment and your body. You cab recycle it into sand by throwing into the sea.
When it comes to all environmental concerns, every company says 'soon'. Forever. They do as little as possible and nothing if they can. The customer has no control; we are at the whim of how companies decide to package what we need. Companies need to be responsible for ALL disposal or recycling of their packaging. Period!
These changing caps are so dumb, it changes nothing. Now we have a carton of milk with a cap you need to manually remove or you will have milk absolutely everywhere, in the past we used to tear a carton of milk open and fold it back to close it.
We have gone five steps back over twenty years, you can put ketchup in a glass jar and be done with it using a damn spoon. But no, we need to sell the smallest amount possible in the biggest plastic container that is easy to use for the end user.
The silicone valves are brilliant, so much so that I will stockpile bottles with the current type of cap for reuse. The caps will eventually break because of the live hinge. From the schematics of the new cap I believe the result will be that when finishing the bottle some small amount of ketchup will remain stuck in the crevices of the cap.
A much more eco-friendly solution would be to sell the best designed reusable bottle and then sell refill bags, rather than sell a fresh bottle with every ~300ml of product. Refill bags can be made from the easiest to recycle material and overall require much less material.
This actually used to be a thing, at least in our town. We used to be able to buy giant metal cans of ketchup that could be used to refill the bottles. No idea why they stopped.
@@notoriousresearcher It might still be available for the hospitality industry but the point is it is not available for consumers even though it is the more eco-friendly option.
It should never have moved away from the glass bottle
I appreciate the note, albeit at the very end, that just making a recyclable package is only part of the problem. Where I live more than 60% of recyclable packaging types are outright or effectively excluded by the recyclers servicing people's homes. Part of this is because plastic recycling feedstocks are sold by mass, and therefore only the ones that can be most easily densified are commercially sustainable. Another part of this is because they require that the customer at home do the job of removing nearly 100% of food residue (or anything that could be mistaken for it) from packaging. People get kinda ticked about having to run their trash through the dishwasher. Another insult is that they insist on tops & lids, which are often a different material than the primary package, remaining attached...which makes two recyclable things into one non-recyclable thing. Finally, one must take plastic bags and certain plastic films to a special collection (sometimes hosted at a grocery store, sometimes someplace else completely random) which may or may not be accepting more at any given time.
This reminds me of that old joke about NASA making a ballpoint pen that can work in space, while Russia simply used a pencil. Why do we need to have recyclable ketchup bottles, when we could just have ones that are reusable? We don't need to keep buying things in quantities like this, when we could just go to the grocery store and run a pump that pumps out the amount of ketchup we want into our own container. What a world we live in.
You know this is a myth? You can't have pencil shavings in a spacecraft. The shavings would get into everything and it would be a total disaster.
(1) FWIW, the Fisher Pen Company, now called the Fisher Space Pen Co, was already working on pressure-fed pens when NASA staff realized that regular ballpoints required gravity to function properly. No taxpayer funding went directly toward development. Pens are used because pencils snap, and the result is not something you want either in your eye or sensitive electronics. Heck, even the Russians and Chinese use pens in their Space Programs.
(2) This "It is both more and less complicated" theme applies to reusing packaging. I don't know if you remember the 1980s when a great deal more things were just sold in plain cardboard boxes without any liners, or at most a waxed paper bag inside. Then some psycho contaminated a container of Tylenol and put it back on the shelf, intentionally, and with fatal consequences. Ever since then food safety regulations in the USA, Canada, and Europe have been rather (and increasingly) strict-without any regard for packaging reuse or recyclability. This food safety limitation is what makes it a virtual requirement for many kinds of dispensed foods (such as ketchup) to either be shipped in a dispenser to the end customer or dispensed either directly onto other food or into disposable containers. Many other things, such as mixed nuts and shampoo, are more amenable to container reuse (as the cleanliness requirements for safety aren't as strict) and a small number of companies (in limited markets, with high enough populations) are attempting to offer the sales experience you desire.
That's it we need ketchup kegs
Problems often cannot be solved so easily, even if supposed solutions are so obvious. Regarding your anecdote, putting a pencil in a spaceship is a bad idea because the graphite dust in weightlessness can lead to fatal electrical faults. In order to establish a multi-way system, a lot of work has to be done in advance and of course as a consumer you have to lobby the industry.
@@olwenpuralena4576 completely aware that it is a myth, yes.
There is a simpler solution. Stop using plastic.
This is the way to go for recycling and reverse logistics (cyclical supply chains). The materials and redesign were hardly touched, but for easy recycling we can no longer cut the cost. It’s an investment in our future
Glass is the key
How about a glass container where our human palm fit enough to clean, then refill?
Seems a lot of effort to produce a cap that won’t put the ketchup where you want it.
The key to all this and that is what is allowed to be placed into market place.
I'm stunned and happy that recycling has finally started becoming circular. It's been a long time coming.
There's a perception that using glass bottle means more expensive. I personally think glass bottle is better.
How about a glass bottle that stands upright? 🤔
The Kraft Heinz ketchup cap is still *NOT* recyclable! It simply will not make it through automated sorting facilities.... and will likely be thrown in the garbage, by hand. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♀️🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♀️
Most ground pollution comes down to how much materials actually make it to the landfill. This varies by country and can be up to 80% don't make it. Recycling is the wrong way to go. Companies should be using biodegradable and compostable plastics that are made with plants. If they don't make it to the landfill they will degrade in nature.
That’s why I buy the masterfoods sauce bottle
Interesting info, but I found the editing gimmicks in this piece to be annoying.
Microplastics not mentioned. Not even once.
Can packaging be uniform of same size, shapes & material? The label will be just different to indicate what product it is?
Heinz should design a bottle/cap which at least gives you a realistic chance to get all the ketchup out of the bottle without removing the cap and using a knive or spoon.
Great chance to practice your cunning linguistics
Ketchup syringe?
you can use warm water
You chose PHYSICS as your opponent....
If no-one ate ketchup, then we wouldn't need ketchup bottles.
That was never an option
Recyclable. No.
Biodegradable. Yes!
This is not a "struggle". Just make a tiny mouth made of the same material. The actual "struggle" is them knowing they will make less money if they make the product inferior.
Why not have all packaging be biodegradable? Then don't have to try and sort out all the different packaging and sustain much energy (and more pollution) to reuse.
Because biodegradable indicates bacteria will spoil the contents.... acceptable for a container used for one day, but not many months.
why the matrix type cgi constantly distracting ?!?!
Recycling hype is mostly greenwashing. If companies would put their research money into developing bioplastics that are compostable ad TRULY recyclable we would all be better off. We can't recycle our way out of the plastics problem.
These bottles aren’t even full. They are red bottles
First I love Ketchup and I could buy a plastic bag like milk style and place my favorite Ketchup or any other souces I love in a dispenser type with logo of my favorite or designer type to fit my need of dispenser space look that fits style I like it to have it placed in area of use I love.
Exactly. Reusable dispensers and minimal packaging refills.
He said "we are not making park benches"
Ketchup commercials are getting weird. Why not talk about un processed foods...?
The rest is a secret.
ketch up and eat ketchup🍅
The bigger issue is how this guy pronounces ketchup.
U call that a struggle? 😑
The payoff is a better world. Think beyond money!!
Ah yeah, how can you sell your product more expensive, thats about this BS is about again.
CARRIERS OF THE GLORY BOOK
Weren't paper straws supposed to solve all waste issues? Some how? That is how they have been marketed, right?
Marketing should be severely limited by law, you ask me. It creates unnecessary needs and a lot of waste by making you feel you got an inferior product, so you have to buy a new one. They use all kinds of psychology to trick people into buying stuff they don't need and sometimes don't even actually want. Marketing furthers unbridled consumerism, which in turn is the largest contributor to the damage we do to the planet. It should be criminal to do so, but somehow it isn't.
Put it into glass bottle and close it with cellulose. Lol whats this BS again.
Seems you always preface your posts with a questions but ya'll seem to know a lot about GARBAGE and KETCHUP .. Ironically and by default I Guess by you'd know a lot about Trump