So I’m a mechanical engineer and would love to know what actually makes Hinson perform better than an OEM clutch... According to this video, the OEM basket is softer. Softer, in my mind, would grab harder, but wouldn’t last as long. So basically, it sounds to me like they’ve just given up grabbiness for longevity. The ‘smoothness’ just seems like the bi-product of giving up friction/grabbiness, so it takes longer to fully engage. Also, I work in the aerospace industry... T6 is pretty much just a standard aluminum at this point... yeah, it was originally developed for aerospace, but so was Velcro. It doesn’t make it anything too special necessarily. Now, if they told me they were making Stellite clutch baskets, that would really say something about longevity. To me, the billet basket without better-than-OEM plates seems like it would be worse performance with less of a chance of wearing out a basket, but why not just anodize your OEM parts at that point?
The clutch basket doesn’t do any grabbing that is friction based, that’s all done with the clutch plates. The fingers on the clutch basket and the fingers on the friction plates match up and they make a mechanical hold.
Are there any steel baskets available for the 04 250sx? Pref something with a machined in primary gear and kick gear Or could I use the ds steel basket (one without dampers) with the oem coil spring pressure and centre hub.
Brett Coop it would also be buttery smooth if it did nothing but slip. Idk that it’s necessarily a good thing. It just means it takes longer to grab hold to the drive plates
Hinson components are known to be very high quality. A lot of engine builders use them when the clutch is required to hold more torque due to engine mods. Depends on which clutch system you're looking at. They have the billetproof clutch kit and the BTL clutch kit, which means back torque limiter. The BTL kit allows for less or no engine braking on 4 strokes and slips the clutch. I like the billetproof stuff because it's just basically upgraded components that are the same as OEM, but made from billet aluminum. Everyone has their own preference though I suppose!
Brett Coop they seem like OEM parts that are just made from billet to me... that would prevent breakage, but the coating is what would be reducing wear by adding a hard surface that would likely reduce how well the clutch grabs too
Yes, you're just getting the advantage of billet aluminum vs cast aluminum. The Akadize coating is a hard and slippery coating. If you'd ever felt the surface, it's almost sticky feeling when it's dry. Less friction would cause components to last longer. I can see your argument though as well. I just know from experience that they are very good components - especially their baskets. I'm running one of their baskets and a set of their aluminum akadized clutch plates in my CR500 and I've experienced zero slippage. I would say that's a true testament to their build quality if they can hold up to a 500 2 stroke. I'm not endorsed or affiliated with Hinson, just a fan of their products.
does anyone know if these are heavier with stock baskets or are they lighter? Im looking for a heavier basket for 2015 kawsaki kx250f and cant find one
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Best Clutch kit there is I run Hinson Clutches on all my bikes
So I’m a mechanical engineer and would love to know what actually makes Hinson perform better than an OEM clutch... According to this video, the OEM basket is softer. Softer, in my mind, would grab harder, but wouldn’t last as long. So basically, it sounds to me like they’ve just given up grabbiness for longevity. The ‘smoothness’ just seems like the bi-product of giving up friction/grabbiness, so it takes longer to fully engage. Also, I work in the aerospace industry... T6 is pretty much just a standard aluminum at this point... yeah, it was originally developed for aerospace, but so was Velcro. It doesn’t make it anything too special necessarily. Now, if they told me they were making Stellite clutch baskets, that would really say something about longevity. To me, the billet basket without better-than-OEM plates seems like it would be worse performance with less of a chance of wearing out a basket, but why not just anodize your OEM parts at that point?
Better tolerances due to being machined VS mass cast.
The clutch basket doesn’t do any grabbing that is friction based, that’s all done with the clutch plates. The fingers on the clutch basket and the fingers on the friction plates match up and they make a mechanical hold.
yes ,yes
Do they make one for my 04 wr 450 f...yamahas
Are there any steel baskets available for the 04 250sx? Pref something with a machined in primary gear and kick gear
Or could I use the ds steel basket (one without dampers) with the oem coil spring pressure and centre hub.
Can anyone who has a Hinson system tell me if you can really feel a difference?
I had one installed in a 2015 kx250f. You can absolutely tell a difference with the full system. Buttery smooth.
Brett Coop it would also be buttery smooth if it did nothing but slip. Idk that it’s necessarily a good thing. It just means it takes longer to grab hold to the drive plates
Hinson components are known to be very high quality. A lot of engine builders use them when the clutch is required to hold more torque due to engine mods. Depends on which clutch system you're looking at. They have the billetproof clutch kit and the BTL clutch kit, which means back torque limiter. The BTL kit allows for less or no engine braking on 4 strokes and slips the clutch. I like the billetproof stuff because it's just basically upgraded components that are the same as OEM, but made from billet aluminum. Everyone has their own preference though I suppose!
Brett Coop they seem like OEM parts that are just made from billet to me... that would prevent breakage, but the coating is what would be reducing wear by adding a hard surface that would likely reduce how well the clutch grabs too
Yes, you're just getting the advantage of billet aluminum vs cast aluminum. The Akadize coating is a hard and slippery coating. If you'd ever felt the surface, it's almost sticky feeling when it's dry. Less friction would cause components to last longer. I can see your argument though as well. I just know from experience that they are very good components - especially their baskets. I'm running one of their baskets and a set of their aluminum akadized clutch plates in my CR500 and I've experienced zero slippage. I would say that's a true testament to their build quality if they can hold up to a 500 2 stroke. I'm not endorsed or affiliated with Hinson, just a fan of their products.
does anyone know if these are heavier with stock baskets or are they lighter? Im looking for a heavier basket for 2015 kawsaki kx250f and cant find one
Hinson vs Wiseco baskets??
hinson wiseco pro x theyre all good
I've never heard of a clutch basket breaking. Js
I've got through 2 on different bikes, one was wear the other exploded
What the heck is billetproof?
It's a hard coating that companies put on parts to help them last longer.
Marketing.
Cut from billet & hardcoating.